Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Francisco Jose Cordeiro

[Analytic Advantage]

Hi, 

I am a direct ancestor of Francisco and can fill in a lot of the blanks, as 
well as photos etc

On Tuesday, 12 March 2019 20:34:48 UTC-5, bsei...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> Wow!   Cheri there is so much information in your answer but presented so 
> well that even I can get it.  Thank you so much.
>
> I actually did an archive search and found that Matt's nephew joined this 
> group before I did and posted this in May 2012:
>
> *Francis Joseph was born in 1833,  some where in the Azores.  His Father 
> was carpenter   named Antonio.  We don’t  know the name of his Mother.  
> Francis left the Azores as a young boy and*
> *spent some years on whaling ships before “jumping ship” in New Zealand.  
> He was then 34 years old and spent the next 50 years living here.  He never 
> became a naturalised citizen of New Zealand.   In 1883,  at the age of 50 
> years he married an English woman in New Plymouth,  Taranaki,  New Zealand 
> and they had 3 children.  Francis died there in August 1917 aged 84 years.  
> We do not know which island he came from and if anyone in the room has any 
> connection or knowledge of him or his family I’d be very grateful to hear 
> from you.  He is my Gt Grandfather.*
> *My Uncle who knows less than I do told me that about 30 years ago a lady 
> from America came looking for our family.  Perhaps we have some American 
> relatives?*
>
> So in 2012 he was from "somewhere in the Azores".  Based on the common 
> matches I think Graciosa is much more likely.  There are several matches 
> that specifically list Praia, Graciosa.  One of the common matches I have 
> confirmed descends from Francisco's father Antonio Jose Cordeiro, but from 
> his second wife (not Francisco's mother).
>
> I did notice that Matt did YDNA testing.  If I can get one of my 
> brothers-in-law to do DNA testing which would be the appropriate test?  My 
> brothers-in-law and their sons are also direct male descendants of 
> Francisco Jose.
>
> Thanks again.
> Bill
>
>
> On Tuesday, March 12, 2019 at 5:46:27 PM UTC-7, Cheri Mello wrote:
>>
>> Hi Bill (and those following along),
>>
>> I can answer with some specifics and not reveal the Match's name (who 
>> will now be called Matt for Match).
>>
>> Bill thinks that Matt may be a half 1C2R. (Say, you and your 1st cousin 
>> are cousins because of Grandma and Grandpa Silva. That's a 1C (1st Cousin). 
>> If you were a HALF 1C, then you come from one ancestor only (let's say 
>> Grandpa) because he married twice - one of you would come from one spouse 
>> and the other would come from the other spouse. That's how you get a 1/2 
>> cousin. Which doesn't matter in the real world, but it does with the DNA 
>> numbers).
>>
>> So the shared centiMorgans (cMs - a genetic unit of measure) with Matt is 
>> 108 cMs with the longest block being 47 cMs! That's a really good block!
>>
>> From the DNA Geek's Probability chart, on the DNA Painter website: 
>> https://dnapainter.com/tools/sharedcmv4
>>
>>
>> [image: image.png]
>> There's lots of "half" probabilities going on up there in that chart.
>>
>> Now for the longest block, from The Shared CentiMorgan Project: 
>> https://thegeneticgenealogist.com/2015/06/01/the-shared-cm-project-longest-shared-segment/
>> [image: image.png]
>>
>> Blaine Bettinger doesn't have the statistics on a Half 1C2R. On average, 
>> it would be a little less, but would be within range. (Blaine gets these 
>> stats by people submitting them to him and he publishes these charts for us 
>> to use).
>>
>> Matt is the grandson of the ancestor in question. He's done a Y-DNA test 
>> as well (you click on the + at the far right (which turns into a minus) and 
>> you can see all the tests taken:
>> [image: image.png]
>>
>> So does your wife have a male in her family (her brother, uncle, nephew, 
>> or male cousin) who has this line as their Y-DNA line? Matt's YDNA matches 
>> are just outside the genealogy time period, I think. 
>>
>> I think you need to trace ALL the descendants of the ancestor in question 
>> all the way forward, as much as you can. And you need to find out why Matt 
>> is saying your possible common ancestor is from Sao Miguel. Your "In Common 
>> With" matches to Matt are all over the place. There's lots of Graciosa, 
>> some Sao Jorge, Pico, Flores, so as I said, it's all over the place. But NO 
>> Sao Miguel. I kinda think Matt may be mistaken with him thinking his 
>> ancestor is from Sao Miguel. You'll have to ask him why he thinks that.
>>
>> The matching segments (there's a block of 11 cM on Chr.1 as well):
>> [image: image.png]
>> Now Matt, his nephew, and your wife:
>> [image: image.png]
>>
>> Chr. 13 is looking good, but now Chr. 9 is a problem. You'll have to work 
>> on that one later. 
>>
>> I think you are on the right track. You'll need to DNA test a few more 
>> people though. FTDNA may have a sale on Y-DNA around Father's Day in 
>> America, which is mid-June (for those in the reading audience outside of 
>> America). And tr

[AZORES-Genealogy] Roadblocks in my tree (Cordeiro, Dias, Sequeira) Sao Jorge, Graciosa, maybe Pico

[Analytic Advantage]

Hey all,

After 4 years of working on my tree, I've hit some major roadblocks.  Is it 
worth hiring a genealogist?  My Portuguese is terrible and I live in Mexico.

These are the spots I'm stuck.  ANY information is eagerly accepted.  


1. 

Antonio Jose Cordeiro, Matriz Graciosa (my 
great-great-great-great-grandfather)
Wife I: Unknown
Wife II: Unknown
Son: Francisco Jose Baptista Cordeiro (1828 - 1887) with first wife, 
Francisco wife: Maria Isabel Cordeiro.  They end up in Urzelina (SJ) in 
1852 ish
Profession: Carpenter

2. 

Joao Severino Sequiera & Maria Severino da Mota Sequeira
Born Almagreira, 

 Santa 
Maria
Daughter:  Zulmira Bernardete (Married name Cordeiro), born 1892 in Urzelina

I have Zulmiras children and descendants but anything about her parents, 
siblings, aunts, uncles...anything really

3.

Maria De Lordes Dias
Born 1895, Urzelina (I'm not sure if this is correct)
Parents: Manuel Jorge Dias and Josefina Dias, unknown birthplace (probably 
sao jorge, graciosa or Pico).

I would also gladly welcome any old photos of Urzelina, the people that 
lived there .. really anything.  I've been able to locate ancestors etc in 
group ohotos, so you never know.

Thanks!!








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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Roadblocks in my tree (Cordeiro, Dias, Sequeira) Sao Jorge, Graciosa, maybe Pico

[Cheri Mello]

Hi Analytic (??),

This is a do-it-yourself group, where we help each other out. Many of us
had to learn how to translate (well, bumble our way) through the records
and many of us have become quite proficient and can help others now.

The how to do it yourself is here on the Azores. You want chapter 3a:
http://www.worldgenweb.org/azrwgw/research-aids-a---l/finding-your-portuguese/
I'd go through Tombo.pt to navigate the Azorean vital records site (Centro
de Conhecimento dos Acores or CCA). tombo.pt. Click the British flag in the
upper right corner if you need to navigate in English.

If you are not interested in doing it yourself, you can hire a researcher.
That is your decision to make. You have the names, dates, and places, which
are the 3 key pieces that they need. The Azores GenWeb also has a list of
researchers for hire:
http://www.worldgenweb.org/azrwgw/researchers-available-for.html

Good luck,
Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada


On Tue, May 21, 2019 at 8:31 AM Analytic Advantage <
analyticadvantag...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hey all,
>
> After 4 years of working on my tree, I've hit some major roadblocks.  Is
> it worth hiring a genealogist?  My Portuguese is terrible and I live in
> Mexico.
>
> These are the spots I'm stuck.  ANY information is eagerly accepted.
>
>
> 1.
>
> Antonio Jose Cordeiro, Matriz Graciosa (my
> great-great-great-great-grandfather)
> Wife I: Unknown
> Wife II: Unknown
> Son: Francisco Jose Baptista Cordeiro (1828 - 1887) with first wife,
> Francisco wife: Maria Isabel Cordeiro.  They end up in Urzelina (SJ) in
> 1852 ish
> Profession: Carpenter
>
> 2.
>
> Joao Severino Sequiera & Maria Severino da Mota Sequeira
> Born Almagreira,
> 
>  Santa
> Maria
> Daughter:  Zulmira Bernardete (Married name Cordeiro), born 1892 in
> Urzelina
>
> I have Zulmiras children and descendants but anything about her parents,
> siblings, aunts, uncles...anything really
>
> 3.
>
> Maria De Lordes Dias
> Born 1895, Urzelina (I'm not sure if this is correct)
> Parents: Manuel Jorge Dias and Josefina Dias, unknown birthplace (probably
> sao jorge, graciosa or Pico).
>
> I would also gladly welcome any old photos of Urzelina, the people that
> lived there .. really anything.  I've been able to locate ancestors etc in
> group ohotos, so you never know.
>
> Thanks!!
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Roadblocks in my tree (Cordeiro, Dias, Sequeira) Sao Jorge, Graciosa, maybe Pico

[Rosemarie Capodicci]

Analytic (please sign your name!)
I checked the Sao Jorge Marriage Index and found the marriage for Joao
Severino de Sequeira and Maria Severina da Mota on 20 May 1880 Image #5 in
Urzelina. Go to Tombo.pt and navigate the Azores, Sao Jorge, Urzelina and
you will find Joao & Maria's marriage with parents listed.

Rosemarie
rcap...@gmail.com
Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily


On Tue, May 21, 2019 at 8:31 AM Analytic Advantage <
analyticadvantag...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hey all,
>
> After 4 years of working on my tree, I've hit some major roadblocks.  Is
> it worth hiring a genealogist?  My Portuguese is terrible and I live in
> Mexico.
>
> These are the spots I'm stuck.  ANY information is eagerly accepted.
>
>
> 1.
>
> Antonio Jose Cordeiro, Matriz Graciosa (my
> great-great-great-great-grandfather)
> Wife I: Unknown
> Wife II: Unknown
> Son: Francisco Jose Baptista Cordeiro (1828 - 1887) with first wife,
> Francisco wife: Maria Isabel Cordeiro.  They end up in Urzelina (SJ) in
> 1852 ish
> Profession: Carpenter
>
> 2.
>
> Joao Severino Sequiera & Maria Severino da Mota Sequeira
> Born Almagreira,
> 
>  Santa
> Maria
> Daughter:  Zulmira Bernardete (Married name Cordeiro), born 1892 in
> Urzelina
>
> I have Zulmiras children and descendants but anything about her parents,
> siblings, aunts, uncles...anything really
>
> 3.
>
> Maria De Lordes Dias
> Born 1895, Urzelina (I'm not sure if this is correct)
> Parents: Manuel Jorge Dias and Josefina Dias, unknown birthplace (probably
> sao jorge, graciosa or Pico).
>
> I would also gladly welcome any old photos of Urzelina, the people that
> lived there .. really anything.  I've been able to locate ancestors etc in
> group ohotos, so you never know.
>
> Thanks!!
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Roadblocks in my tree (Cordeiro, Dias, Sequeira) Sao Jorge, Graciosa, maybe Pico

[Rosemarie Capodicci]

Since you have Sao Jorge ancestry, you need to join the
saojorgegenealogy.org site. There you will find the SJ Marriage Index,
Death Indexes and many other resources.

Rosemarie
rcap...@gmail.com
Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily


On Tue, May 21, 2019 at 8:31 AM Analytic Advantage <
analyticadvantag...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hey all,
>
> After 4 years of working on my tree, I've hit some major roadblocks.  Is
> it worth hiring a genealogist?  My Portuguese is terrible and I live in
> Mexico.
>
> These are the spots I'm stuck.  ANY information is eagerly accepted.
>
>
> 1.
>
> Antonio Jose Cordeiro, Matriz Graciosa (my
> great-great-great-great-grandfather)
> Wife I: Unknown
> Wife II: Unknown
> Son: Francisco Jose Baptista Cordeiro (1828 - 1887) with first wife,
> Francisco wife: Maria Isabel Cordeiro.  They end up in Urzelina (SJ) in
> 1852 ish
> Profession: Carpenter
>
> 2.
>
> Joao Severino Sequiera & Maria Severino da Mota Sequeira
> Born Almagreira,
> 
>  Santa
> Maria
> Daughter:  Zulmira Bernardete (Married name Cordeiro), born 1892 in
> Urzelina
>
> I have Zulmiras children and descendants but anything about her parents,
> siblings, aunts, uncles...anything really
>
> 3.
>
> Maria De Lordes Dias
> Born 1895, Urzelina (I'm not sure if this is correct)
> Parents: Manuel Jorge Dias and Josefina Dias, unknown birthplace (probably
> sao jorge, graciosa or Pico).
>
> I would also gladly welcome any old photos of Urzelina, the people that
> lived there .. really anything.  I've been able to locate ancestors etc in
> group ohotos, so you never know.
>
> Thanks!!
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Roadblocks in my tree (Cordeiro, Dias, Sequeira) Sao Jorge, Graciosa, maybe Pico

[Analytic Advantage]

Rosemarie, are you able to read the names of the parents?  I can't get a 
clear look

On Tuesday, 21 May 2019 10:58:24 UTC-5, rcapodc wrote:
>
> Since you have Sao Jorge ancestry, you need to join the 
> saojorgegenealogy.org site. There you will find the SJ Marriage Index, 
> Death Indexes and many other resources. 
>
> Rosemarie 
> rcap...@gmail.com 
> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
>
>
> On Tue, May 21, 2019 at 8:31 AM Analytic Advantage  > wrote:
>
>> Hey all,
>>
>> After 4 years of working on my tree, I've hit some major roadblocks.  Is 
>> it worth hiring a genealogist?  My Portuguese is terrible and I live in 
>> Mexico.
>>
>> These are the spots I'm stuck.  ANY information is eagerly accepted.  
>>
>>
>> 1. 
>>
>> Antonio Jose Cordeiro, Matriz Graciosa (my 
>> great-great-great-great-grandfather)
>> Wife I: Unknown
>> Wife II: Unknown
>> Son: Francisco Jose Baptista Cordeiro (1828 - 1887) with first wife, 
>> Francisco wife: Maria Isabel Cordeiro.  They end up in Urzelina (SJ) in 
>> 1852 ish
>> Profession: Carpenter
>>
>> 2. 
>>
>> Joao Severino Sequiera & Maria Severino da Mota Sequeira
>> Born Almagreira, 
>> 
>>  Santa 
>> Maria
>> Daughter:  Zulmira Bernardete (Married name Cordeiro), born 1892 in 
>> Urzelina
>>
>> I have Zulmiras children and descendants but anything about her parents, 
>> siblings, aunts, uncles...anything really
>>
>> 3.
>>
>> Maria De Lordes Dias
>> Born 1895, Urzelina (I'm not sure if this is correct)
>> Parents: Manuel Jorge Dias and Josefina Dias, unknown birthplace 
>> (probably sao jorge, graciosa or Pico).
>>
>> I would also gladly welcome any old photos of Urzelina, the people that 
>> lived there .. really anything.  I've been able to locate ancestors etc in 
>> group ohotos, so you never know.
>>
>> Thanks!!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Roadblocks in my tree (Cordeiro, Dias, Sequeira) Sao Jorge, Graciosa, maybe Pico

[Rosemarie Capodicci]

His parents are Antonio M  It may be Machado? and Thereza (Teresa)
Vicenzia (Vicensia) and he's 36 and from Lages do Island of Pico. You can
go to ghp.ics.uminho.pt/genealogias and see if you can bring up her name
and see who is listed as her husband.
Maria's parents Manuel Jose da Camara and Francisca Josefa da Motos (per
the SJ marriage index).
Rosemarie
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Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily


On Tue, May 21, 2019 at 9:06 AM Analytic Advantage <
analyticadvantag...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Rosemarie, are you able to read the names of the parents?  I can't get a
> clear look
>
> On Tuesday, 21 May 2019 10:58:24 UTC-5, rcapodc wrote:
>>
>> Since you have Sao Jorge ancestry, you need to join the
>> saojorgegenealogy.org site. There you will find the SJ Marriage Index,
>> Death Indexes and many other resources.
>>
>> Rosemarie
>> rcap...@gmail.com
>> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
>> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
>>
>>
>> On Tue, May 21, 2019 at 8:31 AM Analytic Advantage <
>> analytica...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hey all,
>>>
>>> After 4 years of working on my tree, I've hit some major roadblocks.  Is
>>> it worth hiring a genealogist?  My Portuguese is terrible and I live in
>>> Mexico.
>>>
>>> These are the spots I'm stuck.  ANY information is eagerly accepted.
>>>
>>>
>>> 1.
>>>
>>> Antonio Jose Cordeiro, Matriz Graciosa (my
>>> great-great-great-great-grandfather)
>>> Wife I: Unknown
>>> Wife II: Unknown
>>> Son: Francisco Jose Baptista Cordeiro (1828 - 1887) with first wife,
>>> Francisco wife: Maria Isabel Cordeiro.  They end up in Urzelina (SJ) in
>>> 1852 ish
>>> Profession: Carpenter
>>>
>>> 2.
>>>
>>> Joao Severino Sequiera & Maria Severino da Mota Sequeira
>>> Born Almagreira,
>>> 
>>>  Santa
>>> Maria
>>> Daughter:  Zulmira Bernardete (Married name Cordeiro), born 1892 in
>>> Urzelina
>>>
>>> I have Zulmiras children and descendants but anything about her parents,
>>> siblings, aunts, uncles...anything really
>>>
>>> 3.
>>>
>>> Maria De Lordes Dias
>>> Born 1895, Urzelina (I'm not sure if this is correct)
>>> Parents: Manuel Jorge Dias and Josefina Dias, unknown birthplace
>>> (probably sao jorge, graciosa or Pico).
>>>
>>> I would also gladly welcome any old photos of Urzelina, the people that
>>> lived there .. really anything.  I've been able to locate ancestors etc in
>>> group ohotos, so you never know.
>>>
>>> Thanks!!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Roadblocks in my tree (Cordeiro, Dias, Sequeira) Sao Jorge, Graciosa, maybe Pico

[Rosemarie Capodicci]

Sorry, Francisca Josefa is da Matos!

Rosemarie
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On Tue, May 21, 2019 at 9:38 AM Rosemarie Capodicci 
wrote:

> His parents are Antonio M  It may be Machado? and Thereza (Teresa)
> Vicenzia (Vicensia) and he's 36 and from Lages do Island of Pico. You can
> go to ghp.ics.uminho.pt/genealogias and see if you can bring up her name
> and see who is listed as her husband.
> Maria's parents Manuel Jose da Camara and Francisca Josefa da Motos (per
> the SJ marriage index).
> Rosemarie
> rcap...@gmail.com
> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
>
>
> On Tue, May 21, 2019 at 9:06 AM Analytic Advantage <
> analyticadvantag...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Rosemarie, are you able to read the names of the parents?  I can't get a
>> clear look
>>
>> On Tuesday, 21 May 2019 10:58:24 UTC-5, rcapodc wrote:
>>>
>>> Since you have Sao Jorge ancestry, you need to join the
>>> saojorgegenealogy.org site. There you will find the SJ Marriage Index,
>>> Death Indexes and many other resources.
>>>
>>> Rosemarie
>>> rcap...@gmail.com
>>> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
>>> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, May 21, 2019 at 8:31 AM Analytic Advantage <
>>> analytica...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 Hey all,

 After 4 years of working on my tree, I've hit some major roadblocks.
 Is it worth hiring a genealogist?  My Portuguese is terrible and I live in
 Mexico.

 These are the spots I'm stuck.  ANY information is eagerly accepted.


 1.

 Antonio Jose Cordeiro, Matriz Graciosa (my
 great-great-great-great-grandfather)
 Wife I: Unknown
 Wife II: Unknown
 Son: Francisco Jose Baptista Cordeiro (1828 - 1887) with first wife,
 Francisco wife: Maria Isabel Cordeiro.  They end up in Urzelina (SJ) in
 1852 ish
 Profession: Carpenter

 2.

 Joao Severino Sequiera & Maria Severino da Mota Sequeira
 Born Almagreira,
 
  Santa
 Maria
 Daughter:  Zulmira Bernardete (Married name Cordeiro), born 1892 in
 Urzelina

 I have Zulmiras children and descendants but anything about her
 parents, siblings, aunts, uncles...anything really

 3.

 Maria De Lordes Dias
 Born 1895, Urzelina (I'm not sure if this is correct)
 Parents: Manuel Jorge Dias and Josefina Dias, unknown birthplace
 (probably sao jorge, graciosa or Pico).

 I would also gladly welcome any old photos of Urzelina, the people that
 lived there .. really anything.  I've been able to locate ancestors etc in
 group ohotos, so you never know.

 Thanks!!








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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Roadblocks in my tree (Cordeiro, Dias, Sequeira) Sao Jorge, Graciosa, maybe Pico

[Analytic Advantage]

I really, really appreciate this

On Tuesday, 21 May 2019 11:40:40 UTC-5, rcapodc wrote:
>
> Sorry, Francisca Josefa is da Matos! 
>
> Rosemarie 
> rcap...@gmail.com 
> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
>
>
> On Tue, May 21, 2019 at 9:38 AM Rosemarie Capodicci  > wrote:
>
>> His parents are Antonio M  It may be Machado? and Thereza (Teresa) 
>> Vicenzia (Vicensia) and he's 36 and from Lages do Island of Pico. You can 
>> go to ghp.ics.uminho.pt/genealogias and see if you can bring up her name 
>> and see who is listed as her husband. 
>> Maria's parents Manuel Jose da Camara and Francisca Josefa da Motos (per 
>> the SJ marriage index). 
>> Rosemarie 
>> rcap...@gmail.com 
>> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
>> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
>>
>>
>> On Tue, May 21, 2019 at 9:06 AM Analytic Advantage <
>> analytica...@gmail.com > wrote:
>>
>>> Rosemarie, are you able to read the names of the parents?  I can't get a 
>>> clear look
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, 21 May 2019 10:58:24 UTC-5, rcapodc wrote:

 Since you have Sao Jorge ancestry, you need to join the 
 saojorgegenealogy.org site. There you will find the SJ Marriage Index, 
 Death Indexes and many other resources. 

 Rosemarie 
 rcap...@gmail.com
 Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
 Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily


 On Tue, May 21, 2019 at 8:31 AM Analytic Advantage <
 analytica...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hey all,
>
> After 4 years of working on my tree, I've hit some major roadblocks.  
> Is it worth hiring a genealogist?  My Portuguese is terrible and I live 
> in 
> Mexico.
>
> These are the spots I'm stuck.  ANY information is eagerly accepted.  
>
>
> 1. 
>
> Antonio Jose Cordeiro, Matriz Graciosa (my 
> great-great-great-great-grandfather)
> Wife I: Unknown
> Wife II: Unknown
> Son: Francisco Jose Baptista Cordeiro (1828 - 1887) with first wife, 
> Francisco wife: Maria Isabel Cordeiro.  They end up in Urzelina (SJ) in 
> 1852 ish
> Profession: Carpenter
>
> 2. 
>
> Joao Severino Sequiera & Maria Severino da Mota Sequeira
> Born Almagreira, 
> 
>  Santa 
> Maria
> Daughter:  Zulmira Bernardete (Married name Cordeiro), born 1892 in 
> Urzelina
>
> I have Zulmiras children and descendants but anything about her 
> parents, siblings, aunts, uncles...anything really
>
> 3.
>
> Maria De Lordes Dias
> Born 1895, Urzelina (I'm not sure if this is correct)
> Parents: Manuel Jorge Dias and Josefina Dias, unknown birthplace 
> (probably sao jorge, graciosa or Pico).
>
> I would also gladly welcome any old photos of Urzelina, the people 
> that lived there .. really anything.  I've been able to locate ancestors 
> etc in group ohotos, so you never know.
>
> Thanks!!
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Roadblocks in my tree (Cordeiro, Dias, Sequeira) Sao Jorge, Graciosa, maybe Pico

[Rosemarie Capodicci]

Well, it gives you places to start. The Pico site can be searched in
English, just click on the British flag on the search page. The Azores docs
are in Portuguese but they follow a pattern. Go to the AzoresGenWeb site
here: http://www.worldgenweb.org/azrwgw/ and use the resources to learn how
to use the church records.

Rosemarie
rcap...@gmail.com
Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily


On Tue, May 21, 2019 at 10:37 AM Analytic Advantage <
analyticadvantag...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I really, really appreciate this
>
> On Tuesday, 21 May 2019 11:40:40 UTC-5, rcapodc wrote:
>>
>> Sorry, Francisca Josefa is da Matos!
>>
>> Rosemarie
>> rcap...@gmail.com
>> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
>> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
>>
>>
>> On Tue, May 21, 2019 at 9:38 AM Rosemarie Capodicci 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> His parents are Antonio M  It may be Machado? and Thereza (Teresa)
>>> Vicenzia (Vicensia) and he's 36 and from Lages do Island of Pico. You can
>>> go to ghp.ics.uminho.pt/genealogias and see if you can bring up her
>>> name and see who is listed as her husband.
>>> Maria's parents Manuel Jose da Camara and Francisca Josefa da Motos (per
>>> the SJ marriage index).
>>> Rosemarie
>>> rcap...@gmail.com
>>> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
>>> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, May 21, 2019 at 9:06 AM Analytic Advantage <
>>> analytica...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 Rosemarie, are you able to read the names of the parents?  I can't get
 a clear look

 On Tuesday, 21 May 2019 10:58:24 UTC-5, rcapodc wrote:
>
> Since you have Sao Jorge ancestry, you need to join the
> saojorgegenealogy.org site. There you will find the SJ Marriage
> Index, Death Indexes and many other resources.
>
> Rosemarie
> rcap...@gmail.com
> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
>
>
> On Tue, May 21, 2019 at 8:31 AM Analytic Advantage <
> analytica...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hey all,
>>
>> After 4 years of working on my tree, I've hit some major roadblocks.
>> Is it worth hiring a genealogist?  My Portuguese is terrible and I live 
>> in
>> Mexico.
>>
>> These are the spots I'm stuck.  ANY information is eagerly accepted.
>>
>>
>> 1.
>>
>> Antonio Jose Cordeiro, Matriz Graciosa (my
>> great-great-great-great-grandfather)
>> Wife I: Unknown
>> Wife II: Unknown
>> Son: Francisco Jose Baptista Cordeiro (1828 - 1887) with first wife,
>> Francisco wife: Maria Isabel Cordeiro.  They end up in Urzelina (SJ) in
>> 1852 ish
>> Profession: Carpenter
>>
>> 2.
>>
>> Joao Severino Sequiera & Maria Severino da Mota Sequeira
>> Born Almagreira,
>> 
>>  Santa
>> Maria
>> Daughter:  Zulmira Bernardete (Married name Cordeiro), born 1892 in
>> Urzelina
>>
>> I have Zulmiras children and descendants but anything about her
>> parents, siblings, aunts, uncles...anything really
>>
>> 3.
>>
>> Maria De Lordes Dias
>> Born 1895, Urzelina (I'm not sure if this is correct)
>> Parents: Manuel Jorge Dias and Josefina Dias, unknown birthplace
>> (probably sao jorge, graciosa or Pico).
>>
>> I would also gladly welcome any old photos of Urzelina, the people
>> that lived there .. really anything.  I've been able to locate ancestors
>> etc in group ohotos, so you never know.
>>
>> Thanks!!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Roadblocks in my tree (Cordeiro, Dias, Sequeira) Sao Jorge, Graciosa, maybe Pico

[William Seidler]

Hello,


Antonio's first wife is Antonia de Jesus and she is your ancestor (mother 
of Francisco).  She died 10 Sep 1833 and Antonio married at least once more 
after that.  Here is their marriage:
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/GRA-SC-SAOMATEUS-C-1808-1825/GRA-SC-SAOMATEUS-C-1808-1825_item1/P81.html

Do you have a source for Francisco José Cordeiro dying in 1887?  On Maria 
Isabel's obit in 1901 it says she is married to him.
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-VL-URZELINA-O-1900-1911/SJR-VL-URZELINA-O-1900-1911_item1/P14.html

Bill Seidler



On Tuesday, May 21, 2019 at 8:31:13 AM UTC-7, Analytic Advantage wrote:
>
> Hey all,
>
> After 4 years of working on my tree, I've hit some major roadblocks.  Is 
> it worth hiring a genealogist?  My Portuguese is terrible and I live in 
> Mexico.
>
> These are the spots I'm stuck.  ANY information is eagerly accepted.  
>
>
> 1. 
>
> Antonio Jose Cordeiro, Matriz Graciosa (my 
> great-great-great-great-grandfather)
> Wife I: Unknown
> Wife II: Unknown
> Son: Francisco Jose Baptista Cordeiro (1828 - 1887) with first wife, 
> Francisco wife: Maria Isabel Cordeiro.  They end up in Urzelina (SJ) in 
> 1852 ish
> Profession: Carpenter
>
> 2. 
>
> Joao Severino Sequiera & Maria Severino da Mota Sequeira
> Born Almagreira, 
> 
>  Santa 
> Maria
> Daughter:  Zulmira Bernardete (Married name Cordeiro), born 1892 in 
> Urzelina
>
> I have Zulmiras children and descendants but anything about her parents, 
> siblings, aunts, uncles...anything really
>
> 3.
>
> Maria De Lordes Dias
> Born 1895, Urzelina (I'm not sure if this is correct)
> Parents: Manuel Jorge Dias and Josefina Dias, unknown birthplace (probably 
> sao jorge, graciosa or Pico).
>
> I would also gladly welcome any old photos of Urzelina, the people that 
> lived there .. really anything.  I've been able to locate ancestors etc in 
> group ohotos, so you never know.
>
> Thanks!!
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Roadblocks in my tree (Cordeiro, Dias, Sequeira) Sao Jorge, Graciosa, maybe Pico

[William Seidler]

I just checked Zulmira's baptism which says her father is natural of 
Almagreira, Ilha do Pico (Not Santa Maria).  This agrees with the marriage 
that Rosemarie found because Almagreira is a locality within the parish of 
Lajes.  This is different than the Almagreira on Santa Maria which is a 
parish.

Bill Seidler

On Tuesday, May 21, 2019 at 1:37:04 PM UTC-7, William Seidler wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
>
> Antonio's first wife is Antonia de Jesus and she is your ancestor (mother 
> of Francisco).  She died 10 Sep 1833 and Antonio married at least once more 
> after that.  Here is their marriage:
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/GRA-SC-SAOMATEUS-C-1808-1825/GRA-SC-SAOMATEUS-C-1808-1825_item1/P81.html
>
> Do you have a source for Francisco José Cordeiro dying in 1887?  On Maria 
> Isabel's obit in 1901 it says she is married to him.
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-VL-URZELINA-O-1900-1911/SJR-VL-URZELINA-O-1900-1911_item1/P14.html
>
> Bill Seidler
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, May 21, 2019 at 8:31:13 AM UTC-7, Analytic Advantage wrote:
>>
>> Hey all,
>>
>> After 4 years of working on my tree, I've hit some major roadblocks.  Is 
>> it worth hiring a genealogist?  My Portuguese is terrible and I live in 
>> Mexico.
>>
>> These are the spots I'm stuck.  ANY information is eagerly accepted.  
>>
>>
>> 1. 
>>
>> Antonio Jose Cordeiro, Matriz Graciosa (my 
>> great-great-great-great-grandfather)
>> Wife I: Unknown
>> Wife II: Unknown
>> Son: Francisco Jose Baptista Cordeiro (1828 - 1887) with first wife, 
>> Francisco wife: Maria Isabel Cordeiro.  They end up in Urzelina (SJ) in 
>> 1852 ish
>> Profession: Carpenter
>>
>> 2. 
>>
>> Joao Severino Sequiera & Maria Severino da Mota Sequeira
>> Born Almagreira, 
>> 
>>  Santa 
>> Maria
>> Daughter:  Zulmira Bernardete (Married name Cordeiro), born 1892 in 
>> Urzelina
>>
>> I have Zulmiras children and descendants but anything about her parents, 
>> siblings, aunts, uncles...anything really
>>
>> 3.
>>
>> Maria De Lordes Dias
>> Born 1895, Urzelina (I'm not sure if this is correct)
>> Parents: Manuel Jorge Dias and Josefina Dias, unknown birthplace 
>> (probably sao jorge, graciosa or Pico).
>>
>> I would also gladly welcome any old photos of Urzelina, the people that 
>> lived there .. really anything.  I've been able to locate ancestors etc in 
>> group ohotos, so you never know.
>>
>> Thanks!!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Have I found my great grandfather?

[Carl DeAmaral]

My great grandfather (immigrant) was Jacinto Leite De Amaral.   I have 2 
different birth dates for him both in 1855, and indications point to Sao 
Miguel.

Today I find this baptism, but I am really struggling to read it.   The 
format is a lot different than most I have looked at and a lot of different 
names appear.  It is also 1854, but hey, close.
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PV-MAEDEDEUS-B-1853-1855/S
 

MG-PV-MAEDEDEUS-B-1853-1855_item1/P137.html 


I continue on  for some more pages and I see this one for a Maria (right 
page).  I don't have any reason to be looking at hers except I see in the 
names a lot of Amarals, and even Jacintho de/do Amaral


http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PV-MAEDEDEUS-B-1853-1855/SMG-PV-MAEDEDEUS-B-1853-1855_item1/P154.html


can someone with keener eyes and translations skills help me figure out 
what is going on here?  Am I on the right track finally?  possibly?

Any help would be appreciated.  Thanks!
Carl DeAmaral

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Have I found my great grandfather?

[Cheri Mello]

Hi Carl,

You've gone into the 2nd time period so the format changes.

Do you have Jacinto's parents' names now? Why are you looking in Povoacao?
Your DNA is matching people from Ribeira Quente. I'm just curious as to why
you now know your immigrant came from Povoacao instead. You must have done
more research.

Thanks, Cheri
Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada


On Tue, May 21, 2019 at 6:07 PM Carl DeAmaral  wrote:

>
> My great grandfather (immigrant) was Jacinto Leite De Amaral.   I have 2
> different birth dates for him both in 1855, and indications point to Sao
> Miguel.
>
> Today I find this baptism, but I am really struggling to read it.   The
> format is a lot different than most I have looked at and a lot of different
> names appear.  It is also 1854, but hey, close.
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PV-MAEDEDEUS-B-1853-1855/S
> 
> MG-PV-MAEDEDEUS-B-1853-1855_item1/P137.html
> 
>
> I continue on  for some more pages and I see this one for a Maria (right
> page).  I don't have any reason to be looking at hers except I see in the
> names a lot of Amarals, and even Jacintho de/do Amaral
>
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PV-MAEDEDEUS-B-1853-1855/SMG-PV-MAEDEDEUS-B-1853-1855_item1/P154.html
>
>
> can someone with keener eyes and translations skills help me figure out
> what is going on here?  Am I on the right track finally?  possibly?
>
> Any help would be appreciated.  Thanks!
> Carl DeAmaral
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Have I found my great grandfather?

[Carl DeAmaral]

Hi Cheri,

Still poking around at this point.   My project at work has kept my nose out of 
my Genealogy studies for the most part recently. 

I got a little respite tonight and was browsing the tree of a match on ftdna.  
I'll have to look up the member.  But they had quite a few Amaral's & variants 
showing birth in provacao. I was able to find one of them in this parish 
records (1872), so I went back to 1854 and found these.

I see that provacao is geographically close to RQ, so I thought I would take a 
look.   Do you see any significant matches for me in this area?

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Have I found my great grandfather?

[Cheri Mello]

Hi Carl,

I don't know what "this area" refers to. Povoacao or RQ. Your matches are
RQ and Flores. The RQ line will probably go back to Ponta Garca, but that's
a future step :)

Cheri
Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada


On Tue, May 21, 2019 at 7:18 PM Carl DeAmaral  wrote:

> Hi Cheri,
>
> Still poking around at this point.   My project at work has kept my nose
> out of my Genealogy studies for the most part recently.
>
> I got a little respite tonight and was browsing the tree of a match on
> ftdna.  I'll have to look up the member.  But they had quite a few Amaral's
> & variants showing birth in provacao. I was able to find one of them in
> this parish records (1872), so I went back to 1854 and found these.
>
> I see that provacao is geographically close to RQ, so I thought I would
> take a look.   Do you see any significant matches for me in this area?
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