Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help reading Altares record

[Marcos Saturno]

Hey Sam,
I don’t think Coelho is as such a common surname such as Smith or Jones.
I can only tell from my own experience, but I grew up in pretty much a 
Portuguese ‘colony’ in Rio de Janeiro and never came across many then (most of 
my classmates had a Portuguese parent and sometimes both.)
Though not every Brazilian is from Portuguese origin, I think my Brazilian 
experience could help put things into perspective as most people in my 
generation has a Portuguese surname (or family name) and we also use the ‘2 
surname’ Portuguese tradition: mother’s family name followed by the father’s 
family name. This way, a person’s heritage is sometimes more obvious.
Saying that, I’m not sure how common it is in the Azores.
I only have ever met one Coelho in Brazil (a high school friend) and one in 
Portugal (she was from Setúbal)
I’m sure you are aware Coelho means ‘rabbit’ and is one of the many ‘animal or 
tree name’ surnames attributed to Jews forced to convert to Catholicism to 
avoid expulsion from Portugal like Lobo (wolf), Carneiro (Lamb), Pinto (chick) 
or Carvalho (oak), Pereira (pear tree) and Oliveira (olive tree). I’d say that 
Carvalho and especially Oliveira is far more common than Coelho for example.
I guess the most common Portuguese surnames are Silva and Santos (including 
varieties such as da Silva and dos Santos).
Found in every corner of continental Portugal, the islands,  Brazil and ALL of 
the former colonies, including Goa and Damão now in India.
I recently met a colleague from Madeira at work who told me that he thought my 
own surname ‘de Menezes’, is more common in the islands rather than in 
continental Portugal, I still don’t know where my ancestors from that side came 
from (or my mother’s side for that matter though I have a good match in São 
Jorge.)
However, I read an article a few years ago, that stated that not all Portuguese 
‘animal or tree name’ surnames could definitely trace back to new Christian 
ancestors.
In any case, a new Christian surname would place your ancestors in Portugal for 
a few centuries I think.
Greetings from grey London, we are expecting a heatwave though, so we’ll soon 
enjoying ‘barbecue weather’ as the English say!
Regards, Marcos



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On 25 Jun 2019, at 23:02, 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy 
mailto:azores@googlegroups.com>> wrote:

Thanks Cheri.  When I was in Lisbon, many years ago. I notice a lot of store 
fronts with The name Coelho, my surname, on them.  I figured it was like “Jones 
or Smith” in the U.S.

Sam (Mazatlán, MX)

From: Cheri Mello
Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2019 8:09 AM
To: Azores Genealogy
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help reading Altares record

I've seen it and know people who have it. It's not the most common Silva & 
Silveira. It's not rare either. So in the middle? Cheri

On Mon, Jun 24, 2019, 6:42 PM 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy 
mailto:azores@googlegroups.com>> wrote:
Out of curiosity, can anyone comment on how common a name Coelho is in the 
Azores.  My Coelho line comes from Santa Maria.

Sam (Mazatlán, MX)

From: Ângela Loura
Sent: Monday, June 24, 2019 1:57 PM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help reading Altares record

That's a tough one... I tried highlighting it, but i think the important info 
is faded at the bottom...

mailto:doreencaet...@gmail.com>> escreveu no dia 
segunda, 24/06/2019 à(s) 18:03:
I can not read this record at all. I only know that it is the marriage record 
for Manuel Coelho and Maria Vieira. This comes from the Terceira Marriage index.
It is the bottom record on the right side of the page. Any additional 
information would be appreciated. Thanks, Doreen Caetano
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1648-1712/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1648-1712_item1/P80.html

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Question

[Margaret Vicente]

Liz et al,

FYI, genealogy software has evolved and are now GPS oriented.  They contain 
mapping and its own Cemetery mapping.  For this reason, locations should be 
keyed in correctly.

Family Heritage software, for example, deletes addresses it does not recognize. 
 I was using short form P. Delgada, S. Miguel, Azores when I began researching 
and find that any/all address such as this one, the software deleted it, 
leaving it blank when I uploaded the gedcom file.  Also obvious, it does not 
recognize Azores as a Country but as a “Region” of Portugal.

So now I’ve learned to include complete addresses: Civil Parish, Council, 
Region, Country.  In this case the correct process would be Sao Joao, Lajes, 
Pico “Island”, Azores, Portugal.

I also go a step further and define the region as Island for the Azores 
islands.  Again to identify it from other same name Regions of Portugal.  
Best,
margaret

From: Liz Migliori
Sent: June 25, 2019 11:39 PM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Question

Ok Thanks.  I did just have Sao Joao, Pico, Azores.  But some new stuff started 
popping up that had Lajes in there so I thought I was doing something wrong
I’m sticking with my way
Thanks Cheri

Liz

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On Jun 25, 2019, at 10:15 AM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
Hi Liz, A few people do the district. Most do not, as it becomes confusing 
really quickly. I would do Sao Joao (or São João if you prefer) which is the 
freguesia (village), Pico (the island), Azores. You can add in Portugal if you 
like. I figure anyone looking at my research 50 years from now would know they 
are looking at my Portuguese branches. Cheri
On Tue, Jun 25, 2019, 8:11 AM Liz Migliori  wrote:
If someone is born in Sao Joao, Pico

Should it be written in a tree as
Sao Joao, Lajes Do Pico,

Is Sao Joao a town in the district or a small village in the bigger town of 
Lajes?

Liz

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Looking for information on my Great Grand Parents

[Don Miguel]

Thanks so much!

On Sunday, June 23, 2019 at 6:19:05 PM UTC-7, Cheri Mello wrote:
>
> "Portuguese Immigrants to Hawaii" compiled by Edgar C. Knowlton, Jr, 
> copyright 1993 by the Maui Portuguese Cultural Club, page 282
> Medeiros, Jacintho Mi
> guel de, Monarch 1882, from Sao Miguel
> with Antonia Hermina do Rego, 19.
>
> "Passport Registrations: Portuguese Immigrants from Azores to Sandwich 
> Isles, 1879-1883," by Bob De Mello (no stated copyright, but he published 
> in the 1980s or so, therefore it is copyrighted), page 237
>
> Medeiros, Jacintho Miguel de, age 21
> Father: Miguel de Medeiros
> Mother: Maria de Jesus
> From: Bretanha
> Wife: Antonia Ermina, 19
> On the Monarch
>
> The Monarch left Sao Miguel island on Mar. 28, 1882 and arrived in Hawaii 
> in April, May or June.
>
> Check the OUTBOUND "passaportes" beginning on 28 Mar 1882 (or so) and work 
> your way back. It's before image 100:
> Good luck,
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
>
> On Sun, Jun 23, 2019 at 7:59 AM Cheri Mello  > wrote:
>
>> The Knowlton book has Antonia as 19. The Bob De Mello has the same thing 
>> and lists Jacinto as the son of Miguel de Medeiros and Maria de Jesus from 
>> Bretanha.
>>
>> I will type up the full citation in a few hours. Cheri
>> Cheri Mello
>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
>> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Jun 23, 2019 at 7:53 AM Joe Matias > > wrote:
>>
>>> This might be them.  
>>> https://digitalcollections.hawaii.gov/greenstone3/sites/localsite/collect/indextop/index/assoc/HASH5c34/140ebca4.dir/doc.pdf
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>> On Sat, Jun 22, 2019 at 1:18 PM Don Miguel >> > wrote:
>>>
 Thank You, We are headed to Delgada in August for 2 weeks house hunting 
 and plan on doing some research while there.

 On Sat, Jun 22, 2019, 9:46 AM Cheri Mello >>> > wrote:

> Don M.,
>
> Also contact the Portuguese Genealogical and Historical Society of 
> Hawaii. They have a lot of resources. A LOT of it is contributed works, 
> so 
> be sure to verify it with other sources.  
> https://www.portuguesegenealogicalandhistoricalsocietyofhawaii.com/
>
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira 
> Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
>
> On Sat, Jun 22, 2019 at 9:30 AM Rosemarie Capodicci  > wrote:
>
>> Don, 
>> Just FYI, Jesse is usually the nickname for Jacintho/Jacinto (Ja not 
>> Jo). I checked the book *Portuguese Hawaiian Memories* by Freitas 
>> and the family is not listed. The AzoresGenWeb site is a great place to 
>> start and also the Hawaiian website that Cheri gave to you. Since the 
>> birth 
>> was not found in the Vital Records you need to check out the Catholic 
>> Church in their town and try and get the baptisms of the children. If 
>> the 
>> village is listed anywhere it may be there. 
>>
>> Rosemarie 
>> rcap...@gmail.com 
>> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
>> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Jun 22, 2019 at 8:58 AM Don Miguel > > wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Attached file is all I can find so far.
>>>
>>> Jocintho Miguel 1862/1863
>>>
>>> Antonia Rega (Miguel)  1863/1864
>>>
>>> Ant help pointing us in the right direction would be grateful!
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help reading Altares record

[lrazoresgenealogist]

I want to inform all friends of this group that I will be launching my  
work "Families of the Furnas Valley (1671-2017)" on next July 19th in  
Furnas.
There are also presentations of these books in the cities of Ponta  
Delgada (July 25), Lisbon (in September) and Fall River, Mass., USA on  
November 3, 2019.

There will also be a presentation in Toronto, but still undated.
The price of the eight books will be 130.00 euros, without shipping charge.
Thank you!
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Book: Families of the Furnas Valley 1671-2017

[Cheri Mello]

Repost for Luis Miguel Rodrigues Martins, lrazoresgenealog...@sapo.pt

I want to inform all friends of this group that I will be launching my work
"Families of the Furnas Valley (1671-2017)" on next July 19th in Furnas.
There are also presentations of these books in the cities of Ponta Delgada
(July 25), Lisbon (in September) and Fall River, Mass., USA on November 3,
2019.
There will also be a presentation in Toronto, but still undated.
The price of the eight books will be 130.00 euros, without shipping charge.
Thank you!
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help reading Altares record

['Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy]

Marcos;  Thank you so much for this extended reply.  Yes, I did know that 
Coelho meant rabbit but; no, I did not known that most animal, etc. names came 
about because of the new Christians having to hide being in truth a Jew.  That 
is very interesting to me.  

Like many of us whose ancestors are from the Azores, I have ancestors who 
immigrated to Brazil.  I have had a couple of dna matches from there. Although, 
we have not yet been able to pin down the immigrating ancestor.  One line does 
however; show Menezes in it.  Perhaps, we too are cousins. 😊  

Again, thank you for this information.

>From sunny, hot and humid Mazatlán, Mexico

Sam (Mazatlán, MX)

From: Marcos Saturno
Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2019 5:56 AM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help reading Altares record

Hey Sam, 
I don’t think Coelho is as such a common surname such as Smith or Jones.
I can only tell from my own experience, but I grew up in pretty much a 
Portuguese ‘colony’ in Rio de Janeiro and never came across many then (most of 
my classmates had a Portuguese parent and sometimes both.)
Though not every Brazilian is from Portuguese origin, I think my Brazilian 
experience could help put things into perspective as most people in my 
generation has a Portuguese surname (or family name) and we also use the ‘2 
surname’ Portuguese tradition: mother’s family name followed by the father’s 
family name. This way, a person’s heritage is sometimes more obvious.
Saying that, I’m not sure how common it is in the Azores.
I only have ever met one Coelho in Brazil (a high school friend) and one in 
Portugal (she was from Setúbal) 
I’m sure you are aware Coelho means ‘rabbit’ and is one of the many ‘animal or 
tree name’ surnames attributed to Jews forced to convert to Catholicism to 
avoid expulsion from Portugal like Lobo (wolf), Carneiro (Lamb), Pinto (chick) 
or Carvalho (oak), Pereira (pear tree) and Oliveira (olive tree). I’d say that 
Carvalho and especially Oliveira is far more common than Coelho for example.
I guess the most common Portuguese surnames are Silva and Santos (including 
varieties such as da Silva and dos Santos).
Found in every corner of continental Portugal, the islands,  Brazil and ALL of 
the former colonies, including Goa and Damão now in India.
I recently met a colleague from Madeira at work who told me that he thought my 
own surname ‘de Menezes’, is more common in the islands rather than in 
continental Portugal, I still don’t know where my ancestors from that side came 
from (or my mother’s side for that matter though I have a good match in São 
Jorge.)
However, I read an article a few years ago, that stated that not all Portuguese 
‘animal or tree name’ surnames could definitely trace back to new Christian 
ancestors.
In any case, a new Christian surname would place your ancestors in Portugal for 
a few centuries I think.
Greetings from grey London, we are expecting a heatwave though, so we’ll soon 
enjoying ‘barbecue weather’ as the English say!
Regards, Marcos 



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On 25 Jun 2019, at 23:02, 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy 
 wrote:
Thanks Cheri.  When I was in Lisbon, many years ago. I notice a lot of store 
fronts with The name Coelho, my surname, on them.  I figured it was like “Jones 
or Smith” in the U.S.    
 
Sam (Mazatlán, MX)
 
From: Cheri Mello
Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2019 8:09 AM
To: Azores Genealogy
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help reading Altares record
 
I've seen it and know people who have it. It's not the most common Silva & 
Silveira. It's not rare either. So in the middle? Cheri
 
On Mon, Jun 24, 2019, 6:42 PM 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy 
 wrote:
Out of curiosity, can anyone comment on how common a name Coelho is in the 
Azores.  My Coelho line comes from Santa Maria.
 
Sam (Mazatlán, MX)
 
From: Ângela Loura
Sent: Monday, June 24, 2019 1:57 PM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help reading Altares record
 
That's a tough one... I tried highlighting it, but i think the important info 
is faded at the bottom...
 
 escreveu no dia segunda, 24/06/2019 à(s) 18:03:
I can not read this record at all. I only know that it is the marriage record 
for Manuel Coelho and Maria Vieira. This comes from the Terceira Marriage index.
It is the bottom record on the right side of the page. Any additional 
information would be appreciated. Thanks, Doreen Caetano
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1648-1712/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1648-1712_item1/P80.html
 
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help reading Altares record

['Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy]

Thank you Angela, I’m starting to get a better picture of it now.

Appreciate your input,

Sam (Mazatlán, MX)

From: Ângela Loura
Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2019 9:39 PM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help reading Altares record

Hi Sam,

Last names derived from animals, places, nicknames or food are pretty common 
all over Portugal, and Coelho is defintelly one of them. But as Cheri said, not 
at the level of Silva, for example.

'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy  escreveu no 
dia terça, 25/06/2019 à(s) 23:03:
Thanks Cheri.  When I was in Lisbon, many years ago. I notice a lot of store 
fronts with The name Coelho, my surname, on them.  I figured it was like “Jones 
or Smith” in the U.S.    
 
Sam (Mazatlán, MX)
 
From: Cheri Mello
Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2019 8:09 AM
To: Azores Genealogy
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help reading Altares record
 
I've seen it and know people who have it. It's not the most common Silva & 
Silveira. It's not rare either. So in the middle? Cheri
 
On Mon, Jun 24, 2019, 6:42 PM 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy 
 wrote:
Out of curiosity, can anyone comment on how common a name Coelho is in the 
Azores.  My Coelho line comes from Santa Maria.
 
Sam (Mazatlán, MX)
 
From: Ângela Loura
Sent: Monday, June 24, 2019 1:57 PM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help reading Altares record
 
That's a tough one... I tried highlighting it, but i think the important info 
is faded at the bottom...
 
 escreveu no dia segunda, 24/06/2019 à(s) 18:03:
I can not read this record at all. I only know that it is the marriage record 
for Manuel Coelho and Maria Vieira. This comes from the Terceira Marriage index.
It is the bottom record on the right side of the page. Any additional 
information would be appreciated. Thanks, Doreen Caetano
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1648-1712/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1648-1712_item1/P80.html
 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help reading Altares record

[Sonia Pacheco]

There is no historical evidence that this is true:  "most animal, etc. names 
came about because of the new Christians having to hide being in truth a Jew" 
and in fact there is much more evidence that this was not the case.

I can provide multiple citations disproving this fact if folks are interested, 
however, the vast majority are in Portuguese, hence why I haven't provided them 
here since I know most people on this list don't read fluent Portuguese.

Sonia




Sónia Pacheco

Librarian Archivist, Ferreira-Mendes Portuguese-American Archives

Library Liaison, Portuguese, History, Foreign Languages

Claire T. Carney Library, UMass Dartmouth

Tel. 508-999.8695



From: 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy 
Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2019 11:06 AM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help reading Altares record

[EXTERNAL SENDER]

Marcos;  Thank you so much for this extended reply.  Yes, I did know that 
Coelho meant rabbit but; no, I did not known that most animal, etc. names came 
about because of the new Christians having to hide being in truth a Jew.  That 
is very interesting to me.



Like many of us whose ancestors are from the Azores, I have ancestors who 
immigrated to Brazil.  I have had a couple of dna matches from there. Although, 
we have not yet been able to pin down the immigrating ancestor.  One line does 
however; show Menezes in it.  Perhaps, we too are cousins. 😊



Again, thank you for this information.



>From sunny, hot and humid Mazatlán, Mexico



Sam (Mazatlán, MX)



From: Marcos Saturno
Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2019 5:56 AM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help reading Altares record



Hey Sam,

I don’t think Coelho is as such a common surname such as Smith or Jones.

I can only tell from my own experience, but I grew up in pretty much a 
Portuguese ‘colony’ in Rio de Janeiro and never came across many then (most of 
my classmates had a Portuguese parent and sometimes both.)

Though not every Brazilian is from Portuguese origin, I think my Brazilian 
experience could help put things into perspective as most people in my 
generation has a Portuguese surname (or family name) and we also use the ‘2 
surname’ Portuguese tradition: mother’s family name followed by the father’s 
family name. This way, a person’s heritage is sometimes more obvious.

Saying that, I’m not sure how common it is in the Azores.

I only have ever met one Coelho in Brazil (a high school friend) and one in 
Portugal (she was from Setúbal)

I’m sure you are aware Coelho means ‘rabbit’ and is one of the many ‘animal or 
tree name’ surnames attributed to Jews forced to convert to Catholicism to 
avoid expulsion from Portugal like Lobo (wolf), Carneiro (Lamb), Pinto (chick) 
or Carvalho (oak), Pereira (pear tree) and Oliveira (olive tree). I’d say that 
Carvalho and especially Oliveira is far more common than Coelho for example.

I guess the most common Portuguese surnames are Silva and Santos (including 
varieties such as da Silva and dos Santos).

Found in every corner of continental Portugal, the islands,  Brazil and ALL of 
the former colonies, including Goa and Damão now in India.

I recently met a colleague from Madeira at work who told me that he thought my 
own surname ‘de Menezes’, is more common in the islands rather than in 
continental Portugal, I still don’t know where my ancestors from that side came 
from (or my mother’s side for that matter though I have a good match in São 
Jorge.)

However, I read an article a few years ago, that stated that not all Portuguese 
‘animal or tree name’ surnames could definitely trace back to new Christian 
ancestors.

In any case, a new Christian surname would place your ancestors in Portugal for 
a few centuries I think.

Greetings from grey London, we are expecting a heatwave though, so we’ll soon 
enjoying ‘barbecue weather’ as the English say!

Regards, Marcos







Sent from my iPhone

On 25 Jun 2019, at 23:02, 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy 
mailto:azores@googlegroups.com>> wrote:

Thanks Cheri.  When I was in Lisbon, many years ago. I notice a lot of store 
fronts with The name Coelho, my surname, on them.  I figured it was like “Jones 
or Smith” in the U.S.



Sam (Mazatlán, MX)



From: Cheri Mello
Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2019 8:09 AM
To: Azores Genealogy
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help reading Altares record



I've seen it and know people who have it. It's not the most common Silva & 
Silveira. It's not rare either. So in the middle? Cheri



On Mon, Jun 24, 2019, 6:42 PM 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy 
mailto:azores@googlegroups.com>> wrote:

Out of curiosity, can anyone comment on how common a name Coelho is in the 
Azores.  My Coelho line comes from Santa Maria.



Sam (Mazatlán, MX)



From: Ângela Loura

[AZORES-Genealogy] Raposo - Parish of Sao Jose - Sao Miguel

[Margaret Vicente]

A few years ago some one of this group was searching for a marriage of a 
relative/ancestor that was from Sao Jose in Ponta Delgada.  I don’t know if he 
ever found it.  I seem to think it may have been John Rapozo but I can’t find 
the old email request. 

I have finished indexing the marriages up to 1911 for this Parish.  It should 
be a quick find now.  Whomever it was, if you are still looking please email me 
your ancestor’s info so we can give it a try and see if it shows up.  

Best,
Margaret 

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help reading Altares record

[Ângela Loura]

Sonia, exactly!

*De qualquer modo, e ao contrário de uma crença enraizada, os apelidos
baseados em nomes de plantas e de animais não são necessariamente de
descendentes dos judeus convertidos à força ao catolicismo, ou seja,
cristãos-novos.*
- QUEIROZ, Francisco, MOSCATEL, Cristina, *DESCUBRA AS SUAS ORIGENS -
Manual de Genealogia e História da Família*, 2016, p. 182.

Sonia Pacheco  escreveu no dia quarta, 26/06/2019 à(s)
17:16:

> There is no historical evidence that this is true:  "most animal, etc.
> names came about because of the new Christians having to hide being in
> truth a Jew" and in fact there is much more evidence that this was not
> the case.
>
> I can provide multiple citations disproving this fact if folks are
> interested, however, the vast majority are in Portuguese, hence why I
> haven't provided them here since I know most people on this list don't read
> fluent Portuguese.
>
> Sonia
>
>
>
> Sónia Pacheco
>
> Librarian Archivist, Ferreira-Mendes Portuguese-American Archives
>
> Library Liaison, Portuguese, History, Foreign Languages
>
> Claire T. Carney Library, UMass Dartmouth
>
> Tel. 508-999.8695
>
>
>
> --
> *From:* 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy 
> *Sent:* Wednesday, June 26, 2019 11:06 AM
> *To:* azores@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help reading Altares record
>
> [EXTERNAL SENDER]
>
> Marcos;  Thank you so much for this extended reply.  Yes, I did know that
> Coelho meant rabbit but; no, I did not known that most animal, etc. names
> came about because of the new Christians having to hide being in truth a
> Jew.  That is very interesting to me.
>
>
>
> Like many of us whose ancestors are from the Azores, I have ancestors who
> immigrated to Brazil.  I have had a couple of dna matches from there.
> Although, we have not yet been able to pin down the immigrating ancestor.
> One line does however; show Menezes in it.  Perhaps, we too are cousins.
> 😊
>
>
>
> Again, thank you for this information.
>
>
>
> From sunny, hot and humid Mazatlán, Mexico
>
>
>
> Sam (Mazatlán, MX)
>
>
>
> *From: *Marcos Saturno 
> *Sent: *Wednesday, June 26, 2019 5:56 AM
> *To: *azores@googlegroups.com
> *Subject: *Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help reading Altares record
>
>
>
> Hey Sam,
>
> I don’t think Coelho is as such a common surname such as Smith or Jones.
>
> I can only tell from my own experience, but I grew up in pretty much a
> Portuguese ‘colony’ in Rio de Janeiro and never came across many then (most
> of my classmates had a Portuguese parent and sometimes both.)
>
> Though not every Brazilian is from Portuguese origin, I think my Brazilian
> experience could help put things into perspective as most people in my
> generation has a Portuguese surname (or family name) and we also use the ‘2
> surname’ Portuguese tradition: mother’s family name followed by the
> father’s family name. This way, a person’s heritage is sometimes more
> obvious.
>
> Saying that, I’m not sure how common it is in the Azores.
>
> I only have ever met one Coelho in Brazil (a high school friend) and one
> in Portugal (she was from Setúbal)
>
> I’m sure you are aware Coelho means ‘rabbit’ and is one of the many
> ‘animal or tree name’ surnames attributed to Jews forced to convert to
> Catholicism to avoid expulsion from Portugal like Lobo (wolf), Carneiro
> (Lamb), Pinto (chick) or Carvalho (oak), Pereira (pear tree) and Oliveira
> (olive tree). I’d say that Carvalho and especially Oliveira is far more
> common than Coelho for example.
>
> I guess the most common Portuguese surnames are Silva and Santos
> (including varieties such as da Silva and dos Santos).
>
> Found in every corner of continental Portugal, the islands,  Brazil and
> ALL of the former colonies, including Goa and Damão now in India.
>
> I recently met a colleague from Madeira at work who told me that he
> thought my own surname ‘de Menezes’, is more common in the islands rather
> than in continental Portugal, I still don’t know where my ancestors from
> that side came from (or my mother’s side for that matter though I have a
> good match in São Jorge.)
>
> However, I read an article a few years ago, that stated that not all
> Portuguese ‘animal or tree name’ surnames could definitely trace back to
> new Christian ancestors.
>
> In any case, a new Christian surname would place your ancestors in
> Portugal for a few centuries I think.
>
> Greetings from grey London, we are expecting a heatwave though, so we’ll
> soon enjoying ‘barbecue weather’ as the English say!
>
> Regards, Marcos
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
> On 25 Jun 2019, at 23:02, 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy <
> azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
> Thanks Cheri.  When I was in Lisbon, many years ago. I notice a lot of
> store fronts with The name Coelho, my surname, on them.  I figured it was
> like “Jones or Smith” in the U.S.
>
>
>
> Sam (Mazatlán, MX)
>
>
>
> *From: *Cheri Mello 
> *Sent: *Tuesday, June 25, 2019 8:09 AM
>

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Book: Families of the Furnas Valley 1671-2017

[Ângela Loura]

Luís, where will you be presenting it in Lisbon? Casa dos Açores?

Cheri Mello  escreveu no dia quarta, 26/06/2019 à(s)
15:54:

> Repost for Luis Miguel Rodrigues Martins, lrazoresgenealog...@sapo.pt
>
> I want to inform all friends of this group that I will be launching my
> work "Families of the Furnas Valley (1671-2017)" on next July 19th in
> Furnas.
> There are also presentations of these books in the cities of Ponta Delgada
> (July 25), Lisbon (in September) and Fall River, Mass., USA on November 3,
> 2019.
> There will also be a presentation in Toronto, but still undated.
> The price of the eight books will be 130.00 euros, without shipping charge.
> Thank you!
> Luís Miguel Rodrigues Martins
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Book: Families of the Furnas Valley 1671-2017

[Pete Jollymour]

I’m interested to know what type of content is in the books?
Thanks 

Pete

> On Jun 26, 2019, at 7:54 AM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
> 
> Repost for Luis Miguel Rodrigues Martins, lrazoresgenealog...@sapo.pt
> 
> I want to inform all friends of this group that I will be launching my work 
> "Families of the Furnas Valley (1671-2017)" on next July 19th in Furnas.
> There are also presentations of these books in the cities of Ponta Delgada 
> (July 25), Lisbon (in September) and Fall River, Mass., USA on November 3, 
> 2019.
> There will also be a presentation in Toronto, but still undated.
> The price of the eight books will be 130.00 euros, without shipping charge.
> Thank you!
> Luís Miguel Rodrigues Martins
> 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help reading Altares record

[JR]

Many years ago Doug Holmes commented on this subject. I can't quite recall 
to which islands he  was referring, but he essentially said that one island 
was predominately Coelho, while another was predominantly Raposo. The point 
being that it is possible for certain names to predominate on certain 
islands or at least within certain villages or concelhos. For example 
Medeiros and Furtado is quite widespread and common throughout most of Sao 
Miguel. Yes within certain villages, it hardly appears. Azores is so small 
that it is not surprising certain names are more common or dominant than 
others.

Costa, Pacheco and Rodrigues  are very common but not as easy to associate 
with a single village, because they are so widespread.

JR
On Wednesday, June 26, 2019 at 6:19:57 PM UTC-4, Ângela Loura wrote:
>
> Sonia, exactly!
>
> *De qualquer modo, e ao contrário de uma crença enraizada, os apelidos 
> baseados em nomes de plantas e de animais não são necessariamente de 
> descendentes dos judeus convertidos à força ao catolicismo, ou seja, 
> cristãos-novos.*
> - QUEIROZ, Francisco, MOSCATEL, Cristina, *DESCUBRA AS SUAS ORIGENS - 
> Manual de Genealogia e História da Família*, 2016, p. 182.
>
> Sonia Pacheco > escreveu no dia quarta, 
> 26/06/2019 à(s) 17:16:
>
>> There is no historical evidence that this is true:  "most animal, etc. 
>> names came about because of the new Christians having to hide being in 
>> truth a Jew" and in fact there is much more evidence that this was not 
>> the case. 
>>
>> I can provide multiple citations disproving this fact if folks are 
>> interested, however, the vast majority are in Portuguese, hence why I 
>> haven't provided them here since I know most people on this list don't read 
>> fluent Portuguese.
>>
>> Sonia 
>>
>>
>>
>> Sónia Pacheco
>>
>> Librarian Archivist, Ferreira-Mendes Portuguese-American Archives
>>
>> Library Liaison, Portuguese, History, Foreign Languages
>>
>> Claire T. Carney Library, UMass Dartmouth
>>
>> Tel. 508-999.8695
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> *From:* 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy > >
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, June 26, 2019 11:06 AM
>> *To:* azo...@googlegroups.com 
>> *Subject:* RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help reading Altares record 
>>  
>> [EXTERNAL SENDER]
>>
>> Marcos;  Thank you so much for this extended reply.  Yes, I did know that 
>> Coelho meant rabbit but; no, I did not known that most animal, etc. names 
>> came about because of the new Christians having to hide being in truth a 
>> Jew.  That is very interesting to me.  
>>
>>  
>>
>> Like many of us whose ancestors are from the Azores, I have ancestors who 
>> immigrated to Brazil.  I have had a couple of dna matches from there. 
>> Although, we have not yet been able to pin down the immigrating ancestor.  
>> One line does however; show Menezes in it.  Perhaps, we too are cousins. 
>> 😊  
>>
>>  
>>
>> Again, thank you for this information.
>>
>>  
>>
>> From sunny, hot and humid Mazatlán, Mexico
>>
>>  
>>
>> Sam (Mazatlán, MX)
>>
>>  
>>
>> *From: *Marcos Saturno 
>> *Sent: *Wednesday, June 26, 2019 5:56 AM
>> *To: *azo...@googlegroups.com 
>> *Subject: *Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help reading Altares record
>>
>>  
>>
>> Hey Sam, 
>>
>> I don’t think Coelho is as such a common surname such as Smith or Jones.
>>
>> I can only tell from my own experience, but I grew up in pretty much a 
>> Portuguese ‘colony’ in Rio de Janeiro and never came across many then (most 
>> of my classmates had a Portuguese parent and sometimes both.)
>>
>> Though not every Brazilian is from Portuguese origin, I think my 
>> Brazilian experience could help put things into perspective as most people 
>> in my generation has a Portuguese surname (or family name) and we also use 
>> the ‘2 surname’ Portuguese tradition: mother’s family name followed by the 
>> father’s family name. This way, a person’s heritage is sometimes more 
>> obvious.
>>
>> Saying that, I’m not sure how common it is in the Azores.
>>
>> I only have ever met one Coelho in Brazil (a high school friend) and one 
>> in Portugal (she was from Setúbal) 
>>
>> I’m sure you are aware Coelho means ‘rabbit’ and is one of the many 
>> ‘animal or tree name’ surnames attributed to Jews forced to convert to 
>> Catholicism to avoid expulsion from Portugal like Lobo (wolf), Carneiro 
>> (Lamb), Pinto (chick) or Carvalho (oak), Pereira (pear tree) and Oliveira 
>> (olive tree). I’d say that Carvalho and especially Oliveira is far more 
>> common than Coelho for example.
>>
>> I guess the most common Portuguese surnames are Silva and Santos 
>> (including varieties such as da Silva and dos Santos).
>>
>> Found in every corner of continental Portugal, the islands,  Brazil and 
>> ALL of the former colonies, including Goa and Damão now in India.
>>
>> I recently met a colleague from Madeira at work who told me that he 
>> thought my own surname ‘de Menezes’, is more common in the islands rather 
>> than in continental Portugal, I still d

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Book: Families of the Furnas Valley 1671-2017

[lrazoresgenealogist]

Yes, in september, but I dont know the day yet!

 

Citando Ângela Loura :


Luís, where will you be presenting it in Lisbon? Casa dos Açores?
   Cheri Mello  escreveu no dia quarta,  
26/06/2019 à(s) 15:54:



Repost for Luis Miguel Rodrigues Martins, lrazoresgenealog...@sapo.pt

I want to inform all friends of this group that I will be launching  
my work "Families of the Furnas Valley (1671-2017)" on next July  
19th in Furnas.
There are also presentations of these books in the cities of Ponta  
Delgada (July 25), Lisbon (in September) and Fall River, Mass., USA  
on November 3, 2019.

There will also be a presentation in Toronto, but still undated.
The price of the eight books will be 130.00 euros, without shipping charge.
Thank you!
Luís Miguel Rodrigues Martins

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