Hi Cheri,
E (not sure his real name) found the ships the came over on. He sent me the
information in a private email. I'm not sure how he found it on Ancestry.
Here is the information which lead me to the Passportes List.
- Maria Bento M. Fonseca came to the U. S. on the ship "S.S. Canopic
sailing from St. Michael's May 17, 1904. She is with children Maria 3,
Maria 2 and Manuel 11 months going to her husband Manuel C. Fonseca,
Mattapoisett MA. When Manuel Jr. applied for citizenship, he said his name
was Manuel Secia but he came to the U. S. under the name Manuel Fonseca.
- The father Manuel Cecis (Ancestry has Celio) Fonseca game to the U. S.
on the ship Vancouver arriving in Boston May 23, 1903. He is going to his
cousin Manuel Mauricio Mello living in New Bedford. He was born ca 1878 I
believe in Sao Miguel.
Are you saying these are not matches? The children's ages and immigration
dates seem to match up with everything I found online.
Thank you for the additional information.
Kim
On Wed, Jan 4, 2017 at 10:14 PM, Cheri Mello wrote:
> Kim,
>
> Why a Maria Bento de Mello? She is a married woman, born c. 1869, with 3
> children already. What research in America has lead you to a Maria Bento de
> Mello? Why not a Maria de Jesus Mello? Why not Maria de Simas de Mello,
> #719?
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/
> PASSAPORTES-FAL-1889-1908/PASSAPORTES-FAL-1889-1908_item1/P189.html
>
> Here are the facts:
> You said the 1920 in Mattapoisett, Massachusetts that Manuel Secia was 43,
> immigrated 1902,and was an alien. Mary/Maria was 48, immigrated in 1903,
> also an alien. Son "Antone" was born c. 1905 in MA.
>
> The 1930, also in Mattapoisett said that Manuel Secia now 56, immigrated
> 1901, and was an alien. Mary/Maria is now 62, immigrated 1904. Both are
> aliens.
>
> The 1940, still in Mattapoisett, says that Manuel Secia is now 63 and
> Mary/Maria is 70. Both aliens.
>
> The only thing you can tell for certain: They lived in Mattapoisett, and
> they are aliens. What you can most likely infer: Maria is older than
> Manuel. Manuel immigrated first. They don't really know how old they are.
> Manuel's birth years: 1867, 1864, 1877. A 10 year span. Mary/Maria's birth
> years: 1858, 1862, 1870. A 12 year span. Maybe they are born somewhere
> outside this span.
>
> Nothing says Sao Miguel island. Nothing says Mary/Maria's maiden name was
> Mello. Nothing says she immigrated under that name. She is born during the
> third time period where most women didn't have surnames. She may have
> immigrated under Maria da Conceição, Maria da Estrella, Maria do Rosario
>
> Start with their deaths and work backwards. You're really not ready to
> search in the Azores. It's like looking for a needle in a haystack. With
> 900-1000 people of Azorean descent who have taken Family Finder, you match
> no one with Sao Miguel ancestry. You match with a relative of Evie Silva
> Kiler who is on this list. I run "In Common With" and everyone on that list
> is Faial, Pico, or Sao Jorge island. No one is Sao Miguel island. It will
> help when you are able to get your dad's Family Finder as well.
>
> Get the deaths, the obits, burial records, and tombstone photos. Get the
> children's births and baptisms. Get the marriage. Get the Alien
> Registration. Manuel's WWI Draft. There's a lot of things to look for here
> first: https://goo.gl/b0IGW3
>
> Make a time line for your ancestors with the conflicting info. Your
> ancestors didn't seem to know. Their answers are all over the place. It
> doesn't look like you'll be able to use their ages with any certainty.
> You've got to find a document with the island, and hopefully, it will have
> the freguesia!
>
> Good luck! Cheri
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
> On Wed, Jan 4, 2017 at 6:59 PM, Kim S wrote:
>
>> Hello All,
>>
>> I found my great-grand mother on the Passportes List, but can not read
>> where she came from. Also the name of her travel companion. Any help would
>> be greatly appreciated!
>>
>> It's the line with entry 617 (1329-1333) - Maria Bento de Mello.
>> http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PAS
>> SAPORTES-PDL-1903-1905/PASSAPORTES-PDL-1903-1905_item1/P57.htm
>>
>>
>> On Monday, January 2, 2017 at 3:36:11 PM UTC-7, Kim S wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello - I am hoping someone can help me or point me in the right
>>> direction.
>>>
>>> My great-grand parents immigrated to the US in 1902 from the Azores (I
>>> believe Sao Miguel). My great-grandfather has a very uncommon name, Manuel
>>> Secia born est 1877 and my great-grand mother has an extremely common name,
>>> Maria de Mello born est 1868-1874, so both are hard to trace. I have looked
>>> for both and can not find the last name Secia in Portugal and I can not
>>> find a Maria de Mello around 1868-1874 that got married immigrated to the
>>> US.
