[AZORES-Genealogy] general filing question

[themom8682 via Azores Genealogy]

This is not necessarily related to our Azores people, but I'm wondering what is 
the recommended filing system for women who have more than one marriage.  
Generally for a male I keep everything related to my direct connection (i.e., 
Husband + Wife 1) together in a file with their names; if I have materials 
related to husband + wife 2, I usually file it in the back of the 
folder--probably bad now that I'm writing it down.  For women, they are 
generally filed with Husband name & Wife.  If she marries a second time do we 
start a new file with New Husband & Wife?  Does anyone keep the file with 
Woman's name & husband(s)?  One solution would be to put a paper in the file of 
Husband + Wife 1 stating that Wife married Husband 2 so that further 
information can be found in that file.  Suggestions?

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: *****Sao Jorge Marriage Index online

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I know I'm a little late here, but I want to thank ALL of you who did this 
work!  I used the index for the first time when I was in SLC at the Azores 
Conference and I was able to fairly quickly locate numerous marriages for 
various ancestors.  It saved me combing through page after page of the books 
since I did not know marriage dates, only estimates based on births that I have 
found to date.  Thank you again!


Lisa Vierra Turrentine
researching Sao Jorge & Pico



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Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: *Sao Jorge Marriage Index online





I would like to give a special thank you to Louie Avila & Rosemarie Capodicci - 
the 'tireless machines' without whom this could never have been.



Also  Mike Souza, Racquel Anderson,Linda Meneses, Kathy Cardoza for all of 
their hard work and devotion to this... this was truly a great 
collaboration, and we all learned so much.  It was a terrific opportunity, and 
I personally have grown so much at my ability to read the records, and also 
more knowledgeable of all the obscure names (both given and sur) on the 
island!!!




JEREMY

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Portuguese Nomenclature

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I was lucky and found it in a library not too far from where I live 
(California).  So I want to get as much info as I can out of it while I have it 
checked out.  I found it online starting around $120 but wanted to see the book 
before deciding to spend the money; I did that (bought sight unseen) with 
another book that I thought would be a gold mine of information about 
Portuguese immigrants and it turned out to be of little value to me.  Thank you 
so much for recommending the book, responding to my query, and ALL the 
assistance you provide via this group.


Lisa



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From: Richard Francis Pimentel <rfrancispimen...@comcast.net>
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Sent: Mon, Aug 21, 2017 7:28 pm
Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Portuguese Nomenclature



Hi Lisa,
Yes that is the section. I have found it very useful over the years. The other 
section I use quite frequently starts on page 465 in my copy and lists the 
churches and Freguesia they are in.
Just curious did you by the copy and where did you get it and how much. It is 
very hard to find and the last time I saw one listed it was around $300.
 
Rick
Richard Francis Pimentel
Epping, NH
 
Researching, Riberia Grande, Riberinha, Achada Grande,  Bretanha, and Ponta 
Delgada,  Sao Miguel, Acores
 
 
 
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Sent: Monday, August 21, 2017 7:06 PM
To: Azores Genealogy
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Portuguese Nomenclature
 

Rick,

I was able to get a copy of the book you reference, Azores Islands A History, 
and I'm wondering if the "standardized last name spellings" that you refer to 
is the list of names covering about 70 pages that is in a table format giving 
the Family Name, Name Derivation, Family Origin, and Family Armorial 
information.  That is the only lengthy list of names I see that refers to 
families/general population.  

Thank you,

Lisa Vierra Turrentine 

(and as you can see my family does not use the standardized spelling ;)  )

On Tuesday, August 8, 2017 at 7:59:33 AM UTC-7, Richard Francis Pimentel wrote:

I standardize last name spellings using James Guill’s list from Vol 5, Azores 
Islands a History. In this book he has listed SOUSA not Souza. My Genealogy 
program allows flexibility on names. My grandfather spelled his name Pimental, 
according to his Baptismal record the correct spelling is Pimentel. In my 
Genealogy program I entered his name as Pimental, As a Tag (name variation) I 
entered his name as Pimentel. I also entered his sort name as Pimental. This 
way when I search, his name will be listed both ways and he can be found.
There is a list of first names that are the approved names and modern spellings 
in Portugal. I use the modern spellings for example Joao rather than Joam, Anna 
rather than Ana. I also make a note on how the name was spelled in the record.
 
Rick
 
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Sent: Tuesday, August 8, 2017 4:18 AM
To: Azores Genealogy
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Portuguese Nomenclature
 

G'day folks,

 

Recently there has been discussion on using modern Portuguese whenever using 
family tree databases.  I fully support such a standardisation but what is the 
definitive reference source document? As a non speaking Aorean descendant how 
do I determine what's modern?

 

Examples to You use de Sousa or de Souza, Anna or Ana, I have multiple official 
documents where even in same document names have been spelt differently.

 

Suggestions?.

 

Tony

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Portuguese Nomenclature

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Rick,
I was able to get a copy of the book you reference, Azores Islands A 
History, and I'm wondering if the "standardized last name spellings" that 
you refer to is the list of names covering about 70 pages that is in a 
table format giving the Family Name, Name Derivation, Family Origin, and 
Family Armorial information.  That is the only lengthy list of names I see 
that refers to families/general population.  
Thank you,
Lisa Vierra Turrentine 
(and as you can see my family does not use the standardized spelling ;)  )

On Tuesday, August 8, 2017 at 7:59:33 AM UTC-7, Richard Francis Pimentel 
wrote:
>
> *I standardize last name spellings using James Guill’s list from Vol 5, 
> Azores Islands a History. In this book he has listed SOUSA not Souza. My 
> Genealogy program allows flexibility on names. My grandfather spelled his 
> name Pimental, according to his Baptismal record the correct spelling is 
> Pimentel. In my Genealogy program I entered his name as Pimental, As a Tag 
> (name variation) I entered his name as Pimentel. I also entered his sort 
> name as Pimental. This way when I search, his name will be listed both ways 
> and he can be found.*
>
> *There is a list of first names that are the approved names and modern 
> spellings in Portugal. I use the modern spellings for example Joao rather 
> than Joam, Anna rather than Ana. I also make a note on how the name was 
> spelled in the record.*
>
>  
>
> *Rick*
>
>  
>
> *From:* azo...@googlegroups.com  [mailto:
> azo...@googlegroups.com ] *On Behalf Of *Azores Genealogy 
> group
> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 8, 2017 4:18 AM
> *To:* Azores Genealogy
> *Subject:* [AZORES-Genealogy] Portuguese Nomenclature
>
>  
>
> G'day folks,
>
>  
>
> Recently there has been discussion on using modern Portuguese whenever 
> using family tree databases.  I fully support such a standardisation but 
> what is the definitive reference source document? As a non speaking Aorean 
> descendant how do I determine what's modern?
>
>  
>
> Examples to You use de Sousa or de Souza, Anna or Ana, I have multiple 
> official documents where even in same document names have been spelt 
> differently.
>
>  
>
> Suggestions?.
>
>  
>
> Tony
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] UPEC books

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The book about the festas is The Holy Ghost Festas:  A Historic Perspective of 
the Portuguese in California, Tony P. Goulart, published by Portuguese Chamber 
of Commerce of San Jose in 2003.  I checked World Cat and it is available in 
many libraries in California and a few other random libraries across the 
country.  On World Cat it looks like you can search within the book but when I 
tried to search the names and places that I know are in the book, "no matches" 
returned.  


Lisa



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Sent: Sat, Oct 22, 2016 10:16 pm
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] UPEC books



What was the name of the book you found the additional information in? The book 
might be found in another library also.


Great that you found photos of your family members.  



On Sat, Oct 22, 2016 at 8:24 PM, 'Susan Murphy' via Azores Genealogy 
<azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:


Sounds really interesting and it was definitely worth the trip for you to find 
that photo and other tidbits of information. Thank you for reporting back to 
us!!


Susan 

Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 22, 2016, at 1:37 PM, themom8682 via Azores Genealogy 
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The UPEC books (all in Portuguese of course) contained the records of the 
business of the organization.  There were some pages in the books that folded 
out with copies of the "death" records showing what was paid out and to whom.  
I have a close friend who has a great great grandfather that was president of 
the UPEC for a time so there were many many references to him in the books.  


I did find a small gem in a book about the Festas in California.  There is a 
1-4 page history of each of the festas from different areas all over 
California.  I learned that my 3g uncle founded the festa in Sausalito AND 
there was a photo of him in the book!  Also, there was a photo from the Yreka 
area festa of some cousins through another 3g uncle.


Lisa



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Sent: Mon, Oct 17, 2016 10:15 am
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] UPEC books


Hi!
I would be interested to hear what you find as I live in Sacramento. I have 
memories of going to going to a few conventions with my mom of the SPRSI and I 
just have a hunch that there would be little of genealogical value in “Sessions 
of the Supreme Council of UPEC” but am interested to hear what you find. The 
real value of the membership books are that they often give the island of 
origin information and some family relationships in the beneficiaries listed in 
their rolls. 
Happy hunting!
Susan Vargas Murphy
PS….I have not been to that library for years but if I am remembering 
correctly, I did look at original books for marriages in Alameda County ….which 
was very cool. 



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Researching at the  State Library in Sacramento, CA this morning.  If anyone is 
interested, they have four volumes of books with the Sessions of the Supreme 
Council of UPEC:  San Leandro, 1887-1898; Santa Cruz, 1899-1903; San Rafael, 
1904-1907; and San Jose, 1924-1927.  There are no indexes so you would need to 
know which book to look in and really scour it for your person.


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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] UPEC books

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The UPEC books (all in Portuguese of course) contained the records of the 
business of the organization.  There were some pages in the books that folded 
out with copies of the "death" records showing what was paid out and to whom.  
I have a close friend who has a great great grandfather that was president of 
the UPEC for a time so there were many many references to him in the books.  


I did find a small gem in a book about the Festas in California.  There is a 
1-4 page history of each of the festas from different areas all over 
California.  I learned that my 3g uncle founded the festa in Sausalito AND 
there was a photo of him in the book!  Also, there was a photo from the Yreka 
area festa of some cousins through another 3g uncle.


Lisa



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Sent: Mon, Oct 17, 2016 10:15 am
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] UPEC books


Hi!
I would be interested to hear what you find as I live in Sacramento. I have 
memories of going to going to a few conventions with my mom of the SPRSI and I 
just have a hunch that there would be little of genealogical value in “Sessions 
of the Supreme Council of UPEC” but am interested to hear what you find. The 
real value of the membership books are that they often give the island of 
origin information and some family relationships in the beneficiaries listed in 
their rolls. 
Happy hunting!
Susan Vargas Murphy
PS….I have not been to that library for years but if I am remembering 
correctly, I did look at original books for marriages in Alameda County ….which 
was very cool. 



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<azo...@googlegroupse.com> wrote:


Researching at the  State Library in Sacramento, CA this morning.  If anyone is 
interested, they have four volumes of books with the Sessions of the Supreme 
Council of UPEC:  San Leandro, 1887-1898; Santa Cruz, 1899-1903; San Rafael, 
1904-1907; and San Jose, 1924-1927.  There are no indexes so you would need to 
know which book to look in and really scour it for your person.


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[AZORES-Genealogy] UPEC books

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Researching at the  State Library in Sacramento, CA this morning.  If anyone is 
interested, they have four volumes of books with the Sessions of the Supreme 
Council of UPEC:  San Leandro, 1887-1898; Santa Cruz, 1899-1903; San Rafael, 
1904-1907; and San Jose, 1924-1927.  There are no indexes so you would need to 
know which book to look in and really scour it for your person.

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] unfamiliar word

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thank you



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Sent: Wed, Sep 28, 2016 3:55 pm
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] unfamiliar word

... pela parte paterna = on the father's side

... pela parte materna = on the mother's side

Bill Seidler 

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[AZORES-Genealogy] unfamiliar word

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On the attached record there are some words or a phrase that I am unfamiliar 
with.  It is the second record on the left side of the page for Constantino.  I 
can read that the child's name is Constantino legitimate son of Constantino 
Jose Soares and Anna Izabel then it says neto  paterno and gives 
the paternal grandparents' names then [_same word/phrase] and gives 
the maternal grandparents' names.  I can read the remainder of the record but I 
don't know if those words that I am not understanding are important.  That 
word/phrase is not on the records of the other children for this couple.


http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-VL-SANTOAMARO-B-1842-1854/SJR-VL-SANTOAMARO-B-1842-1854_item1/P9.html



Thank you for your assistance as usual.


Lisa

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] bakery in SF bay area

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Thank you for the suggestions.  Didn't think to ask Rosemarie if there was a 
place near Monterey/Seaside.  And I had no idea there was a Portuguese winery 
in Acampo which is about 15 minutes from my house!  I will definitely be going 
there for some wine and cheese tasting!  Yum.



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Sent: Mon, Jun 13, 2016 5:34 pm
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] bakery in SF bay area


Off topic, but quite awhile back there was a lot of talk on the list about 
bakeries in the valley.  Well, I have been tasked with getting desserts for a 
party and I am looking for a recommendation of the best place in the SF bay 
area.  Plan to call and place an order so I can pick up as I drive from 
Sacramento to Monterey.  Thinking natas, dona amelias, quiejadas possibly.  
Suggestions please...
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[AZORES-Genealogy] bakery in SF bay area

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Off topic, but quite awhile back there was a lot of talk on the list about 
bakeries in the valley.  Well, I have been tasked with getting desserts for a 
party and I am looking for a recommendation of the best place in the SF bay 
area.  Plan to call and place an order so I can pick up as I drive from 
Sacramento to Monterey.  Thinking natas, dona amelias, quiejadas possibly.  
Suggestions please...

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Velas, Sao Jorge records help

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Once again, more than I expected.  Thank you for thinking of my search when you 
saw this and sharing it.  Don't think I ever would have found that.  Another 
piece of information.  :)


Lisa



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From: linda 
To: Azores Genealogy 
Sent: Wed, Mar 2, 2016 10:21 pm
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Velas, Sao Jorge records help



I just came across a reference to the Blayer family in "Genealogias de Sao 
Jorge":

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/GENEALOGIAS-SAOJORGE-JOSEAVELAR/GENEALOGIAS-SAOJORGE-JOSEAVELAR_item1/P57.html

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/GENEALOGIAS-SAOJORGE-JOSEAVELAR/GENEALOGIAS-SAOJORGE-JOSEAVELAR_item1/P27.html

:)

Linda


On Sunday, January 31, 2016 at 6:33:34 PM UTC-8, themo...@aol.com wrote:
Wow!  so much more help than I could have asked for.  Thank you all.  
On the baptism I posted that states ja defunto, I thought that only would 
pertain to Maria Josefa since it was stated immediately following her name.  
Those maternal grandparents (Antonio & Maria) are not in my direct line but 
this gives me more good information to follow up on.  Also, I noticed on Maria 
Josefa's obito the surname that I am unsure about on Marianna & Francisca's 
baptisms; it still looks like Lucas to me.  Could that be correct?



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To: azores 
Sent: Sat, Jan 30, 2016 11:59 am
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Velas, Sao Jorge records help




Whoohoo!  mystery solved :^D


Love it!-- truth is much better than lame speculation.  Thanks!


Linda



On Sat, Jan 30, 2016 at 11:41 AM, 'Marcio' via Azores Genealogy 
 wrote:


Blayer surname comes from the descendants of a Joseph Blayer, born  St. Martin 
in the Fields, London England and died in Velas, s. Jorge Jul 22 1747. He 
married Maria Faustiina da Silveira, born in Urzelina, s. Jorge. Today there 
are descendants who carry this surname.

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On Jan 30, 2016, at 2:07 PM, linda  wrote:




Huh!  That's interesting.

I just did a quick search through the Terceira Marriage Index for "bali" and 
"bale" and the names that came up were "Baliero/a", "Baleeiro/a" and Balencio.  

In the baptismal records, I still see "Bal---", but the Obits definitely look 
like "Blaer"! 

TOTAL SPECULATION :) The same priest recorded the obits and the first baptism; 
a second priest recorded the second two baptisms.  I wonder if it was an 
unusual name for Velas/Sao Jorge, and if the priests were spelling it 
phonetically how they heard the parishioners pronounce it?   It's not a very 
common name in the Terceira-- and seems to be mostly concentrated in the 1600's 
in a few locations-- and didn't show up at all in the Flores Index.   Perhaps 
as Lisa goes back along that line she'll find an ancestor who moved from 
Terceira to Velas; one or two of mine moved the other way, from Velas to 
Terceira.  I wonder if her ancestors were whalers or if the name comes from 
some thing/where else?

fascinating stuff!

thanks Bill and Lisa!

Linda

On Saturday, January 30, 2016 at 12:13:24 AM UTC-8, bsei...@gmail.com wrote:
In the 1867 baptism of Maria, I think the Maternal grandfather's name looks to 
me like Antonio Jose Baliel.  I had never seen this name "Baliel" before, but 
on Ancestry it does show some immigrant passengers from Faial to Boston in the 
early 1800s so the name did exist in the Azores. The other two records though 
the name looks more like "Blair", a common name but not a Portuguese name so 
I'm not sure what to make of that.  I do agree with Linda though that they are 
likely the same person.  


Another thing I found interesting is that the last two baptisms were on the 
same day, but the priest only said "ja defunctos" for the last.  I found Maria 
Joesfa in Nov 1872 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-VL-VELAS-O-1871-1880/SJR-VL-VELAS-O-1871-1880_item1/P23.html;
 It says she is the widow of what looks like Antonio Jose Blair (or Blaer), 
just like on the 1873 baptisms.  I found Antonio Jose's in December 1870 here: 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-VL-VELAS-O-1860-1870/SJR-VL-VELAS-O-1860-1870_item1/P163.html
 and the name appears to be Blair or Blaer here also.


The priest may have made a mistake on the 1873 baptism by writing Marianna 
Luiza instead of Marianna Josefa; or Marianna Luiza started using the name 
Josefa instead of Luiza.  


Bill Seidler

  







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[AZORES-Genealogy] Velas Sao Jorge baptism translation

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Yikes!  I don't know how you all can read these records.  I am starting to look 
for my gggrandfather born about 1838.  I think the record on the lower left for 
Jose is a sibling but want to make sure I am on the right track.  I think it 
says "Jose son of Manuel Silveira de Souca, son of Manuel Silveira de Souca and 
Mariana de Jesus, deceased, and his wife Anna Luiza daughter of Antonio Jose 
Lucas and Marianna Luiza, natural of Velas ilha S. Jorge" then born 2 March 
1877.  Am I close??? Does it list a baptism date?  I am really struggling to 
read this.  Thank you in advance for the help I know I will get.


http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-VL-VELAS-B-1833-1845/SJR-VL-VELAS-B-1833-1845_item1/P95.html




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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Velas Sao Jorge baptism translation

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Thank you!!  You are both correct that the date was 1837; that was my typo.  I 
did not see the baptism date; it must be just before the word "baptizado" where 
it reads "dez [something I could not read] mez ".  Thank you so much.  Now I 
will keep going to find Joao.


Lisa



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I see the names as you do. The birth date is 2 March 1837 and baptized on 10 of 
the same month. Padrinho is Manuel José Lucas.

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Velas, Sao Jorge records help

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Wow!  so much more help than I could have asked for.  Thank you all.  
On the baptism I posted that states ja defunto, I thought that only would 
pertain to Maria Josefa since it was stated immediately following her name.  
Those maternal grandparents (Antonio & Maria) are not in my direct line but 
this gives me more good information to follow up on.  Also, I noticed on Maria 
Josefa's obito the surname that I am unsure about on Marianna & Francisca's 
baptisms; it still looks like Lucas to me.  Could that be correct?



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Sent: Sat, Jan 30, 2016 11:59 am
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Velas, Sao Jorge records help




Whoohoo!  mystery solved :^D


Love it!-- truth is much better than lame speculation.  Thanks!


Linda



On Sat, Jan 30, 2016 at 11:41 AM, 'Marcio' via Azores Genealogy 
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Blayer surname comes from the descendants of a Joseph Blayer, born  St. Martin 
in the Fields, London England and died in Velas, s. Jorge Jul 22 1747. He 
married Maria Faustiina da Silveira, born in Urzelina, s. Jorge. Today there 
are descendants who carry this surname.

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On Jan 30, 2016, at 2:07 PM, linda  wrote:




Huh!  That's interesting.

I just did a quick search through the Terceira Marriage Index for "bali" and 
"bale" and the names that came up were "Baliero/a", "Baleeiro/a" and Balencio.  

In the baptismal records, I still see "Bal---", but the Obits definitely look 
like "Blaer"! 

TOTAL SPECULATION :) The same priest recorded the obits and the first baptism; 
a second priest recorded the second two baptisms.  I wonder if it was an 
unusual name for Velas/Sao Jorge, and if the priests were spelling it 
phonetically how they heard the parishioners pronounce it?   It's not a very 
common name in the Terceira-- and seems to be mostly concentrated in the 1600's 
in a few locations-- and didn't show up at all in the Flores Index.   Perhaps 
as Lisa goes back along that line she'll find an ancestor who moved from 
Terceira to Velas; one or two of mine moved the other way, from Velas to 
Terceira.  I wonder if her ancestors were whalers or if the name comes from 
some thing/where else?

fascinating stuff!

thanks Bill and Lisa!

Linda

On Saturday, January 30, 2016 at 12:13:24 AM UTC-8, bsei...@gmail.com wrote:
In the 1867 baptism of Maria, I think the Maternal grandfather's name looks to 
me like Antonio Jose Baliel.  I had never seen this name "Baliel" before, but 
on Ancestry it does show some immigrant passengers from Faial to Boston in the 
early 1800s so the name did exist in the Azores. The other two records though 
the name looks more like "Blair", a common name but not a Portuguese name so 
I'm not sure what to make of that.  I do agree with Linda though that they are 
likely the same person.  


Another thing I found interesting is that the last two baptisms were on the 
same day, but the priest only said "ja defunctos" for the last.  I found Maria 
Joesfa in Nov 1872 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-VL-VELAS-O-1871-1880/SJR-VL-VELAS-O-1871-1880_item1/P23.html;
 It says she is the widow of what looks like Antonio Jose Blair (or Blaer), 
just like on the 1873 baptisms.  I found Antonio Jose's in December 1870 here: 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-VL-VELAS-O-1860-1870/SJR-VL-VELAS-O-1860-1870_item1/P163.html
 and the name appears to be Blair or Blaer here also.


The priest may have made a mistake on the 1873 baptism by writing Marianna 
Luiza instead of Marianna Josefa; or Marianna Luiza started using the name 
Josefa instead of Luiza.  


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[AZORES-Genealogy] Velas, Sao Jorge records help

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I didn't get a response on this question using a different subject line, so I 
am trying something new.  Hoping someone more familiar with the names and 
handwriting can help me make sense of these records and either verify that it 
is my family or that I am on the wrong track with the 1873 records for 
Francisca and Marianna.  I am fairly certain that the father and paternal 
grandparents on these records are my ggrandfather's sibling and parents, BUT 
the father's last name is de Souza on the earlier record (1867, #41 Maria), but 
it looks like it could be Lucas or Lemos?? on the later records (1873).  The 
paternal grandfather's name looks like Manuel Silveira de Souza Salsa (what?) 
on the 1873 records.  The last name of the maternal grandfather looks like 
Balaine on the 1873 records; on the 1867 record it looked like Baliel to me.  
Oh, and the maternal grandmother's name was Mariana Luiza on the 1867 record 
and now it is Marianna Josefa.  Is this totally the wrong family?  Did the 
priest make some mistakes?  (too much vinho as Cheri would say)  


http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-VL-VELAS-B-1861-1870/SJR-VL-VELAS-B-1861-1870_item1/P192.html
   number 41 Maria on the right



http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-VL-VELAS-B-1871-1880/SJR-VL-VELAS-B-1871-1880_item1/P48.html
   number 5 Francisca on the right


http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-VL-VELAS-B-1871-1880/SJR-VL-VELAS-B-1871-1880_item1/P49.html
   number 6 Marianna on the left


And if anyone has any idea what the side note says on the 1867 record, that 
would be a bonus.



Thank you again!  


Lisa

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[AZORES-Genealogy] naming questions

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This subject line is going to drive Cheri crazy (sorry Cheri) but I have so 
many questions about names right now I tried to cover it all in one email. 


1.  Is the name Accacio familiar?  The first time I saw it I transcribed it 
just like that because that is what I thought I saw.  The next time I saw it I 
thought it could be Acevedo so I thought about changing it but then I found 
another record where it looked like Accacio.  


2.  Sometimes on the records I am finding the women's names with a surname, 
either the husband or the father.  Should I record them that way?  It would 
make it easier to follow them.  


3.  On the records I have found so far for my gggrandparents they are listed as 
last name Silveira de Souza.  EXCEPT, on their marriage record their names are 
Joao Silveira de Souza Bettencourt and Marianna Florinda da Silveira 
Bettencourt.  What is the best way to record them?  Should I just make a note 
about the Bettencourt name being on this record?  


Now that I am writing my number 4 question on this topic, I think that one 
deserves it's own email as it is more complicated and I should attach the 
records so you wonderful, helpful people can see what I'm seeing.


Thanks,


Lisa




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[AZORES-Genealogy] name questions part 2

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Here is my next question and it pertains to these records:




http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-VL-VELAS-B-1861-1870/SJR-VL-VELAS-B-1861-1870_item1/P192.html
   number 41 Maria on the right



http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-VL-VELAS-B-1871-1880/SJR-VL-VELAS-B-1871-1880_item1/P48.html
   number 5 Francisca on the right


http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-VL-VELAS-B-1871-1880/SJR-VL-VELAS-B-1871-1880_item1/P49.html
   number 6 Marianna on the left






4.  These are the records that threw me over the edge about this crazy name 
problem.  I am fairly certain that the father and paternal grandparents on 
these records are my ggrandfather's sibling and parents, BUT the father's last 
name is de Souza on the earlier record (1867), but it looks like it could be 
Lucas or Lemos?? on the later records (1873).  The paternal grandfather's name 
looks like Manuel Silveira de Souza Salsa (what?) on the 1873 records.  The 
last name of the maternal grandfather looks like Balaine on the 1873 records; 
on the 1867 record it looked like Baliel to me.  Oh, and the maternal 
grandmother's name was Mariana Luiza on the 1867 record and now it is Marianna 
Josefa.  Is this totally the wrong family?  Did the priest make some mistakes?  
(too much vinho as Cheri would say)  



And if anyone has any idea what the side note says on the 1867 record, that 
would be a bonus.


Thank you again!  


Lisa

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[AZORES-Genealogy] identify one name in record

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The two records on the attached page are the same parents/grandparents.  What 
is the last name of the maternal grandfather?  I am seeing Grias, but not as 
familiar with some of these names as most of you.


http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-VL-VELAS-B-1861-1870/SJR-VL-VELAS-B-1861-1870_item1/P256.html


thanks again,


Lisa

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] translation confirmation

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Thank you to everyone that responded and helped me with this record.  Thought I 
saw "primiero" also but not sure.  Also found it interesting that the baptism 
took place quite awhile after the birth.  I'm still a rookie with these 
records.  Have been tracking siblings and extended family now.  Sure hope I am 
on the right track.


Lisa



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I was looking through those records and it seems that's the way it was in 
Velas, Sao Jorge. A lot of the baptisms were taking place long after the 
births, perhaps because the priest was not available. I have to agree though, I 
have never seen this before for such extended periods.


JR

On Thursday, January 14, 2016 at 9:46:55 AM UTC-5, mnk wrote:
How unusual that the baptism was 10 months after the birth of the child. I 
haven't seen that before.
MNK


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[AZORES-Genealogy] translation confirmation

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I think this record is my great grandfather.  The only US record I have found 
that I know with certainty is him is his death record (1912) which lists his 
parents as "John Silveira" and "Marianna Florinda" and gives his birth as 
"1870" "Azores".   What I can get from this record is that he was baptized 9 
August 1868, his father is Joao Silveira de Souza and his mother is Marianna 
Florinda, paternal grandparents Manuel Silveira de Souza and Anna Luiza, 
maternal grandparents Antonio Jose Vieira and Barbara Florinda .  I 
cannot make out what is written after Florinda.  More importantly, it looks 
like the record states that his birth was in October 1867 but that line is 
really difficult to make out because of bleed-through from the back side of the 
page (I'm guessing).  It is the record on the top right, #35, Jose.


1.  Did I get the information correct?
2.  Can anyone help with the last part of Barbara Florinda's name?
3.  Can anyone verify/clarify the birth date in October?


http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-VL-VELAS-B-1861-1870/SJR-VL-VELAS-B-1861-1870_item1/P217.html


Thank you all




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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Fwd: DVD Portuguese in California

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I purchased this when it came out.  It is very good, covers most of California. 
 Also ordered a copy for my uncle and he enjoyed it as well.  Recommend it if 
you have California ties.


Lisa



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Sent: Wed, May 6, 2015 1:24 pm
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Fwd: DVD Portuguese in California


 
  
  DVD that was just released last year entitled Portuguese in California.  
The production company's website is Portuguese in California  The DVD can also 
be purchased on amazon. 
 
  
   

 
  
   

 
  
   
   

 
  

 
  
 

 
  

 
  

 
  

 
  

 
  
   
   

 
  
 
Portuguese in California
   
Portuguese in California is a bilingual documentary which showcases the 
Portuguese American population living in California.   
  
 
   
   

 

   
   

 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Future Azores Conference planning for Salt Lake City

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Dates sound fine.  My only issue is that I need to know by September of each 
year when to ask for vacation the following year.  So at least for me, it's 
very helpful to know the dates as soon as you have them firmed up.  That also 
makes it easier to shop for good airfares.  Thank you for all the work you 
put into this conference!


Lisa



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Sent: Fri, Apr 17, 2015 7:38 am
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Future Azores Conference planning for Salt Lake City


 
  
Future planning for Salt Lake City (this has to do with some logistics on the 
meeting room space)   
   
  
  
September 2016   
  
  
Monday, Sept 5th = Labor Day   
  
  
Tuesday, Sept 6th = Azores conference   
  
  
Wed, Sept. 7th = Azores Conference   
  
  
Thurs, Sept. 8th = Azores conference   
  
  
Fri, Sept. 9th = Azores conference   
   
  
  
This would mean that people who need to fly would do so on Labor Day.  I don't 
see Labor Day as a huge air travel day.  Neither does the Plaza Hotel.  I'm 
wondering if we pick that week if it would help or hurt us. 
   
  
  
Thoughts?   
   
Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, 
Achada   
   
 
  
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] St Joseph's Church,. C;arksburg, Yolo County, California

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I have been to the cathedral in Sacramento to research and they simply asked 
what I wanted to look at and brought out 100-year-old books of records for me 
to browse through.  This does not seem to be an issue with the diocese or a 
bishop.  I would gladly spend my time looking through the records at the church 
for my family and I did ask to do that.  First I was told the books were too 
old to be handled, then I was told that there might be private information in 
the records, and finally it came out that there was an index to some of the 
records.  In the index it was discovered that there was a child (sibling of my 
grandmother) that no one was aware of and who presumably died as an infant.  I 
know there is more valuable information for me in those church records because 
my grandmother's family were members of that church for three generations, but 
it is unlikely that I will ever be able to uncover the information unless the 
newly assigned priest consents to researchers viewing the records.  And of 
course we have the issue of name variations that we are working with, i.e., 
Periera vs Perry, etc. It is very disheartening.






-Original Message-
From: Joanne Mercier musicmavene...@gmail.com
To: azores azores@googlegroups.com
Cc: azores azores@googlegroups.com
Sent: Tue, Dec 30, 2014 1:27 am
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] St Joseph's Church,. C;arksburg, Yolo County, 
California


I work for the Catholic Church and I can say with surety that it's not a matter 
of money for information when it comes to requests for genealogical purposes. 
There are a few factors at work:
   1) there is enough work going on in a typical parish on any given day that 
they cannot respond to every request in a timely manner. I once suggested that 
someone with genealogy experience compile a database that would be easy to look 
up for such requests. As you might imagine it was dismissed under not enough 
time and too little requests.
   2) the LDS folks have scared quite a few parishes into holding on to this 
information because of what they reportedly do with it when they get it. If 
you're not familiar with why they do genealogy in the first place I'm don't 
wish to debate it here but suffice to say while it's nothing sinister it is not 
a part of our belief system. I know for a fact that some bishops in my area 
have told their pastors not to fill our requests because of this.
   3) lastly, the prospect of identity theft using our information is real 
since the church keeps such good records so, again, we've been advised not to 
share anything with just anybody. Even I have had a difficult time researching 
my family in the parish where I was born because of this and I work of the 
church. Folks are very cautious and sometimes they would rather just ignore a 
request than go the extra mile to fulfill it to later learn that the 
information was abused in some manner. 


I hope this insight helps explain why Catholic churches are sometime or most 
always uncooperative. 


Joanne Grota Mercier





On Mon, Dec 29, 2014 at 2:23 PM, 'Lisa' via Azores Genealogy 
azores@googlegroups.com wrote:


I also have family that was active in that church and it is nearly impossible 
to get a look at records because they are private.  After much persistence   
groveling in person, I was allowed to view an index of baptisms and found my 
grandmother and her siblings.  I had been told there were no records for the 
family.  The county record of my great grandparents' marriage states they were 
married at the church with the accurate name of the priest at that time but the 
church repeatedly tells me they have no record of the marriage.  Why are they 
being so secretive  difficult?

Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 27, 2014, at 5:49 PM, Cakemom102 via Azores Genealogy 
azores@googlegroups.com wrote:



St. Joseph's Church, Clarksburg, Yolo County, California Portuguese

Is there anyone in contact with a man who years ago was given permission by the 
priest to completely extract the vital records of baptism, marriage and death 
from this church in Clarksburg? I was told that he would one day publish it, 
though he may have hit a snag with that idea.
  
There were so many from Pico in those early years and many Sacramento area 
families could learn where their ancestors came from if they had access to 
these records.  The most recent priest has not been letting anyone see the 
records.  Even though he has retired, it would certainly be easier if the 
records have been extracted than to go to the church

I believe that my grandparents may have been married there.
 
Mary Ann

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Genere file (priest application) on Family Search

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I saved this email to search later.  I tried to find these records on Family 
Search but keep getting no results found.  I'm sure it is a matter of putting 
in the correct search terms.  Can you give me the search terms you used to find 
the records?  Thanks.


Lisa



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To: Azores Genealogy Azores@googlegroups.com
Sent: Fri, Oct 3, 2014 7:25 pm
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Genere file (priest application) on Family Search


Dick Eastman gets the updates from Family Search.  The other day, Family Search 
uploaded more records.  Montana, Ohio, Philippines, etc.  Then it listed 
Portugal and said Priest Applications!  But for Braga.  I looked anyways, and I 
found a priest from Flores.  Not too sure what it all says, but maybe one of 
you can figure it out.

http://goo.gl/SPUQxy


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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Family Tree DNA's End of Summer Sale

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If a male first tested with Family Finder, can the sample from that test be 
used for an upgrade to a YDNA test or do you need an entirely new sample 
orderd as a YDNA test?  



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From: Cheri Mello gfsche...@gmail.com
To: Azores Genealogy Azores@googlegroups.com; prt-madeira 
prt-made...@rootsweb.com; IslandRoutes islandrou...@googlegroups.com
Sent: Thu, Aug 28, 2014 9:30 am
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Family Tree DNA's End of Summer Sale


Maybe the graphic will go through?



Standard Tests

Regular Price

Sale Price



Y-37

$169

$129



Y-67

$268

$199



Y-111

$367

$279



Big Y

$595

$495




 



Upgrades

Regular Price

Sale Price





Y-12 - Y-37

$99

$70



Y-12 - Y-67

$189

$148



Y-12 - Y-111

$339

$239



Y-25 - Y-37

$49

$35



Y-25 - Y-67

$148

$114



Y-25 - Y-111

$249

$209



Y-37 - Y-67

$99

$79



Y-37 - Y-111

$220

$179



Y-67 - Y-111

$129

$109
 






On Thu, Aug 28, 2014 at 9:29 AM, Cheri Mello gfsche...@gmail.com wrote:







(Cross posted to Azores, Madeira, and Island Routes lists)


The sale ends on Wednesday, Sept. 3rd at 11:59 pm CDT.


They are putting any and everything with Y-DNA on sale. Y-DNA needs a man to 
test and it follows his father's father's father's line only.


Plain Y-DNA tests:

Y-DNA 37, Y-DNA 67, and Y-DNA 111


Y-DNA Transfers + Upgrade 



Y-DNA combination tests

That's Y-DNA + mtDNA or Y-DNA + Family Finder or all 3.


Prices are listed on the project page below.



Order through your respective project.

Azores: http://goo.gl/aP6PGj

Madeira: http://goo.gl/20dSht

Cape Verde: http://goo.gl/HuQj49









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Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, 
Achada












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[AZORES-Genealogy] Anna baptism Santo Amaro translation help

[themom8682 via Azores Genealogy]

Found another sibling for gggrandmother. 


http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-VL-SANTOAMARO-B-1842-1854/SJR-VL-SANTOAMARO-B-1842-1854_item1/P19.html


It is the second record on the left side of the page for Anna filha de 
Constantino Jose Soares.  Not sure what the birth date is.  First thought it 
was one of January but after looking at it for awhile I think it is something 
February.  Further down in the record I believe it states that she was baptized 
on the third day of the same month and year.  Also, what is the word just 
before godparent?  It looks like  ? godparents Invocation of Our Lady and .  
The previous record says the same thing.  Looks like no grandparents named on 
this record.  Am I close?
Thanks!


Lisa

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Rita's baptism; translation help please

[themom8682]

I am trying to help a friend translate and Cheri indicated that the copy of the 
record did not come through. It is the record on the right hand page for Rita. 
Here is the link:
 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-FETEIRA-B-1845-1860/FAL-HT-FETEIRA-B-1845-1860_item1/P48.html


My attempt at translation was:


Rita daughter of Manuel Ignacio de Mello and his wife Maria Geraminda, natives 
of this parish D__ Santo paternal grandson of Angelo de Mello and Rita 
Thomasia and maternal Francisco d' Faria (?) and Rosa Narcisa (?) born the 
fifteenth day of July in the year eighteen hundred forty seven and  
August of the same year baptized in this church _ by Priest ___ 
Francisco ___ Macedo (? really unsure of this name) Godparents Jose (?) 
Francisco da Rosa and his wife Maria Candida ___ and Godfather 
Antonio Manuel Fialho (next word is wife but I don't know what the rest says ??)


also, I have absolutely no idea what the margin note says.  Any help with 
corrections and filling in the blanks would be greatly appreciated.  Thanks in 
advance.

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Family Tree Dna results

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Fred  all others reading his post,
 
Basically what you have written is true. However, as a registered nurse who 
 cares for neonates in the ICU, I have to clarify what you said about 
cousins  marrying rarely leading to birth defects or genetic diseases.  While 
there  may be many times that such problems do not occur, at some point the  
intermarrying does lead to birth defects or genetic diseases often in the  
form of inborn errors of metabolism or other obscure defects that are not  
obviously apparent to the casual observer.  Sometimes these defects do  
not declare themselves for a couple of generations.  
 
Lisa
 
 
In a message dated 11/4/2013 7:21:13 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
fsouz...@comcast.net writes:

this is  basic science.


Your DNA is only 50% from one parent, and that goes back forever.  So the 
mixes keep happening.  Just like one brother can have blue  eyes and blonde 
hair and the other one green eyes and brown hair, none of us  (except 
identical twins) have the same DNA.  However, if the  preponderence is of one 
and 
that is true of someone else, you are probably  related through one parent 
(sometimes in Portuguese and other European  lineages, through both because 
second and third cousins often married) which  is not illegal (even in the US) 
and rarely leads to birth defects or genetic  disease like cystic fibrosis 
(which comes from DNA that is too much alike and  may carry recessive genes 
that when combined are no longer recessive but  become dominant)  Perhaps 
someone can clarify for me how the DNA  genealogy test works since it would 
appear the only way to get much of a clear  lineage is if there is a 
preponderence of similar genes.


Fred

On Nov 3, 2013, at 8:09 PM, _hisalv@aol.com_ (mailto:his...@aol.com)  wrote:



 




Cheri,
 
 
 
 
 
 

Amusing and confusing!  When I talked to you on the phone, I asked  if it 
would be useless to test my brother with family finder, because I  assumed we 
would be identical, and you said it might be  different.  You were right. I 
have 97.59% Western European and 2.41%  Africa.  My brother has 86.76.% 
Western Europe and 13.24% Middle  Eastern (Northern Africa)  On the map, my 
Africa is in the French West  Africa including Sierra Leone, Ivory Coast Ghana 
and Nigeria.  and the  southern part including South Africa, Mozambique and 
Kenya.  It even  list the African tribes (if that's what their called?). 
Bantu Kenya, Bantu  So. Africa, Biaka Pygmy and Mandenka.   My brother doesn't 
list  any of these, and I don't have any Middle Eastern.  As far as I know  
all my grandparents were Portuguese, except I don't know about my  
grandfathers parents.  I'm assuming his mother was Portuguese, but his  father 
could 
have been some seaman on a ship that docked in Angra.  My  grandfather had 
blue eyes.
 
I don,t think I'll every understand this DNA stuff.  All I wanted  was to 
find my grandfathers incognito's
 
Helen Salvador
Fremont, CA


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To: azores  _azores@googlegroups.com_ (mailto:azores@googlegroups.com) 
Sent:  Sun, Nov 3, 2013 10:39 am
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Family Tree Dna  results


Pat N, The 4 reference populations used are: French, Basque, Spanish,  and 
Orkney Islands (off of Scotland). There is NO Portuguese in the  reference 
population. I think Portuguese Azoreans get put wherever. Until  they roll 
out the new Population Finder with more reference populations,  there not much 
to say about the Population Finder, except that it is  amusing. Cheri
On Nov 3, 2013 10:34 AM, Chuck Nostrome _cnsport@aol.com_ 
(mailto:cnsp...@aol.com)  wrote:

Doug,
 
I keep trying to figure it out too.  I came out 99.23%  French.
My fathers parents were from the Azores.  His mother's side had  some 
Flemish names.
My mothers parents were Irish and English.
I guessed maybe the Irish were from France.
I heard a story that our Anselmo Vieiras had Basque or Spanish Jew in  
there from a distant cousin.  Along that line the Basque provinces  are in 
France and Spain.
 
I now have kinder thoughts about the French.  Genealogy is  humbling.  I 
guess it goes to what part of the DNA we  inherited.
 
Pat Nostrome
Irvine, California
 


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To: azores  _azores@googlegroups.com_ (mailto:azores@googlegroups.com) 
Sent:  Sat, Nov 2, 2013 1:43 pm
Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Family Tree  Dna results


 
My father's came up as 93% Spanish.
Mine is 97% French.


Since my mother is 50% German, about 25% Hungarian and 25% Slovak, I  
suppose when mixed with my father's Spanish, that equals French.  Interesting 
math: Spanish + German/Hungarian/Slovak = French.















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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Genealogy Bank Lookup

[TheMOM8682]

Have you tried Ask a Librarian on either the Santa Clara County website  
or the California State Library website?  I have had great luck using that  
service when I need an obituary from out of area newspapers.  Usually  
they can email you a copy without a fee.
 
Lisa
 
 
In a message dated 9/10/2013 11:03:00 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  
pamsanto...@gmail.com writes:

Can anyone who has access to this site can they do a obit look up  for a 
Fred Santos who died on 29 Nov 1965 in Santa Clara Co, CA? Would  greatly 
appreciate it.or his sister Mary Feroli who died same place on 13  Jan 1992.
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Another names question

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Hoping that someone can clarify for me this naming question.  On NEPS  site 
when a family is listed with male children, typically the male will be  
listed for instance as Jose and when you go to that person as the primary 
page  he will be listed as Jose Vieira, Vieira being the same  last name as 
the father.  Another male child in the family may be named for  instance 
Joao Francisco Gomes and when you make that person the primary person  on the 
page his name will appear as Joao Francisco Gomes.   In that instance, is 
that child's last name Gomes rather than Vieira?  It  would appear so to 
me but hoping someone can clarify.
Thanks.
 
 
Lisa Vierra  Turrentine
researching Vierra  Azevedo from Pico,  Silveira,  Pereira, Beirao from 
Sao Jorge, Azores
researching McKinney, White,  Wilkerson, Rice 

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] The location on the registration may not be the real l...

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Interesting.  My great grandfather from Pico filed a birth  affadavit in 
California listing his birthplace as Ribeirinha (1871) yet the  record is 
found in Piedade.  My great grandmother's birth record as well as  each of 
their 
children's records list Piedade (all found on CCA).  Makes me  wonder if 
they were indeed all born in Ribeirinha.
 
Lisa
 
 
In a message dated 8/8/2013 8:55:19 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  
tomasl...@comcast.net writes:

I just found out that the location listed on a birth, marriage, or death  
registration may not be where the event actually occurred. Instead, it may be 
 simply the larger town where registrations were made.


While here in Pico, I offered to check some family names for  Mike 
Gilfilian in nearby Piedade. MIke's records list many generations born,  
married, 
and died in Piedade. However, I hit a dead end--sort of. Longtime  residents 
said that none of the family names are from Piedade. Further, they  told me, 
emigrants from Piedade went to Canada and not the United States.  Instead, 
they told me, the names are from a village a few kilometers away,  
Ribeirinha. Emigrants from that village went to the United States and not  
Canada. Why 
did all the paperwork show Piedade instead of Ribeirinha?  


Until 30 years ago, Ribeirinha was not a separate political entity with  
its own government offices. Thus, all birth, death, and marriage registrations 
 for Ribeirinha were filed with the registrar in Piedade, who in turn 
checked  in with the camara in Lajes do Pico. The location Piedade was used 
because  that's where the registrar lived and worked! I went over to Ribeirinha 
and  checked with someone I know there. Sure enough, the family names are 
known in  Ribeirinha. Most are still in use today, so now we have a few warm 
leads I'm  trying to follow.


If you seem to have hit a dead end, you might check a nearby village or  
town on the chance that records were kept elsewhere in years gone by.


Tomás Leal, in Pico for only a few more days and very sad to be leaving  so 
soon. 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Azores Genealogy Conference, Salt Lake City, Utah, April 2014

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Either week works for me, but I would like to take advantage of the 4th night 
free as well.


Lisa



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Sent: Sat, Jul 20, 2013 3:39 pm
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Azores Genealogy Conference, Salt Lake City, Utah, 
April 2014




The Salt Lake Plaza Hotel has a really good special going on during part of 
April, 2014.


The special is stay 3 nights (at $85 USD + taxes) and get the 4th night free 
(regularly $129 a night).


This would be from Monday, April 14th, through Sunday, April 20th, 2014.  Our 
conference would run from Tuesday, April 15th through Friday, April 18th.  
EASTER SUNDAY is April 20th.


So, if we pick the above dates, would it impact our attendance?  If you were to 
join us, would those dates work for you if you are considering joining us (we 
are not going to hold you to it).

The other dates we are thinking of are Tuesday, April 8 through Friday, April 
11, 2014.  We would get the group rate of $85 USD a night, but no special of 
stay 3 nights and get the 4th night free.




Thanks!

Cheri Mello  Rosemarie Capodicci

Conference coordinators





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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Anthony John Freitas 1899 - 1919

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I am not researching this family but suggest that it is very likely that  
Anthony died in Sacramento, California, or possibly Yolo County.  If you  are 
not in the Sacramento area, try contacting the Sacramento County Library 
and  I believe they will do a search for the obituary for you since you have a 
date  of death.  It is quite possible that the obituary will be in the 
Sacramento  Bee or Sacramento Union newspaper from that time period whether the 
death was in  Sacramento County or Yolo County.  I believe the California 
State Archive  also holds these newspapers on microfilm and it's possible they 
will do a  search as well.
 
 
In a message dated 6/12/2013 2:30:04 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  
acore...@gmail.com writes:

Found on  Ancestry.com a California WWI Soldier Service card for Anthony 
John Freitas  born Nov 11, 1899.  Father listed as Manuel A. Freitas and 
Mother Mary F  or L Valine.  Both born Azores, all living at 2212 11th Street  
Sacramento.  Anthony died 14 Jun 1919 where? .  On Find a Grave,  found the 
family plot  located at Saint Josephs Cemetery,  Sacramento.  On Ancestry, I 
found s possible 1900 census record for  Manuel Fridtz age 35, Francis age 
26, Mamie  ( married Senna) Age 9,  Antone, age 6 months, Washtonton TWP, Yolo 
co., California.  My interest  is locating OBIT for Anthony and village of 
birth for Mary (Frances) / L   Valine.  Is anyone researching this family?   
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] The Dabneys: A Bostonian Family in the Azores 1806-1871

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The Dabney name is in my American family tree (maternal side) so my  
interest was piqued.  After digging around a little bit I found that my  family 
is related to this Dabney family through my 4th great grandmother.   What a 
coincidence that the Dabney family is associated with the Azores  (paternal 
side)!  Also, in researching this I found another book about  the Dabney 
family that is full of useful information.  You never know  what tidbit you 
might find on this list.  Wish I could hear the  presentation, but I will be 
ordering the book.  Thanks!
 
Lisa
 
 
In a message dated 1/28/2013 12:10:17 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
bellema...@gmail.com writes:

This book might be of interest to some:
 
_http://whalingmuseumblog.org/2013/01/28/ambassador-
of-portugal-visits-feb-16/_ 
(http://whalingmuseumblog.org/2013/01/28/ambassador-of-portugal-visits-feb-16/) 
 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Anglicization of names

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I will throw in my two cents worth as well.
 
My grandfather came to the US, specifically Sacramento, CA, in 1905.   They 
did not anglicize their name and the neighborhood they lived in was  
culturally diverse for the time with many Azorean families as well as  Italian 
families and Asian families.  However, I have been told that in  their house 
the children were only to speak English; they were Americans now and  wanted 
to assimilate.  Their father learned English but their mother  reportedly 
never learned to speak English so presumably they only spoke  Portuguese when 
they were speaking directly to their mother.
 
My great great grandfather came to the US (California) about 1854.  He  did 
anglicize his name going by Perry rather than Pereira or Beirao.   
According to the census, he and his wife both spoke English.
 
 
In a message dated 8/11/2012 12:49:52 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  
sam...@surewest.net writes:

 
I was born in 1946 and am the  youngest of 6 children.  Both my parents were
 Portuguese, 1st  generation for one a 1st  2nd for the other. My  mom’s 
mother was an immigrant but; her father was born in the U.S.  My  parents 
spoke Portuguese to each other but; if one of us children came into  the room 
they switched to English.  They definitely wanted us to be known  as 
Americans!  Not Americans first, Americans period.  My older  siblings tell me 
they 
experienced prejudice even though there were many  Portuguese descendents in 
our town in CA.  I know neither of my  grandmothers ever spoke to us about 
where they were from or their early  life.  My grandfathers were both dead 
before I was born.  None of my  family were striving for “upper crust” 
stations in life.  They were quite  happy to be successful farmers.  I think 
prejudice against Portuguese  people must have been very real for them but; it 
probably depended on where  you lived and perhaps, your level of education as 
well.  Just my two  cents worth, Sam in CA 
 
 
From:  azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of  Gayle Machado
Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2012 10:50  AM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re:  [AZORES-Genealogy] Anglicization of names

 
Len,
 

 
My grandfather's first wife was Irish. Her family looked  down on the 
Portuguese as the N(word)s of Europe.(Sorry, not a word I would  use. ) As a 
result, he anglicized his name. His children from that marriage  used Marshall. 
His wife died young. When he decided to remarry, my  grandmother's family 
were not biased against his heritage (being Portuguese  themselves) so his 
second family returned to the Machado  surname. 
 

 
However, outside the family, my father would never  acknowledge his 
heritage or the fact that he spoke Portuguese fluently.  To my great 
disappointment, he refused to teach my sister or I saying  this was the U. S. 
and English 
was the only language we  needed. 
 

 
Gayle
 

 

 








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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Sacramento expo

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I plan to attend as well.

Lisa Vierra Turrentine



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I'll be there too!!  Diane Lavely
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] confirmation

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lucky, lucky you!  so far I have not found one person researching my  
family lines.  FTDNA has received my test kit, so hopefully I will be lucky  
also 
and find someone that way.
 
Lisa
 
 
In a message dated 6/29/2012 3:21:26 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  
mgilfilia...@gmail.com writes:

I got an  email overnight from Mr. Doug da Rocha Holmes. He has traced all 
the names in  my list from Lajes do Pico and has sent me the translation of 
my GGgrandmother  Maria Lial da Roza baptism from the church record. I had 
the year right but  now have the date.
But best of all He Identified me as one of his cousins,  so I have my first 
official living cousin from the Azoires. Since he has  already traced 
everyone he is going to be my source for ordering documents  from my families 
lines.
Mike
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] find a grave

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A headstone with a mysterious name is how my Azores genealogy  started.  
The headstone next to my grandmother was Maria Silveira  Fuzila.  My 
grandmother's mother's name was Mary Perry Silveira.  I  wondered for the 
longest 
time if this could be an aunt or even my great  grandmother.  I obtained 
the death certificate for Maria Silveira Fuzila  using the dates on the 
headstone and it turned out to be my great grandmother  (verified by parent and 
spouse names on certificate).  The death  certificate listed her name as 
Mary Silveira.  No one in the family had  ever heard the name Fuzila before.  
Through more research I found  that my great grandfather sometimes used the 
name Fuzila with Silveira.   Haven't figured out yet where that came from.
 
Lisa
 
 
In a message dated 6/1/2012 4:54:03 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  
mgilfilia...@gmail.com writes:

I had  never heard of the find a grave website so I gave it a try and 
located my  gggrandparents grave and headstone. But I have a question, on my  
gggrandparents marriage certificate from St. John the Baptist church and their  
marriage license has my ggg grandfathers has his name listed as Jose Leal 
da  Rosa, born 1845 died 1886. But on the headstone it has his name listed as 
 Manuel J. Leal. So how do I confirm what his name is exactly if that is at 
all  possible? I believe I'll need to know to get any farther in my  search.
Mike
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[AZORES-Genealogy] How to determine freguesia

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I would appreciate any tips about determining what freguesia a family came  
from.  Seem to be running into apparent brick walls because  nearly every 
document I have found only lists Azores Islands.  On one  side of the 
family I have the name of the island and town they lived in  before immigrating 
to the US but don't know if that is where births or  marriages took place; 
on the other side all I have is the island.  The  immigrations I know about 
took place between 1850-1905.  Thank you for any  advice.
 
Lisa Vierra  Turrentine
researching Vierra, Silveira, Pereira, Beirao from  Azores
researching McKinney, White, Wilkerson, Rice 

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Hayward (CA) City Directories

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you have already received many great suggestions but I would add that  
perhaps the California State Library has the Hayward directory you are looking  
for.  I would recommend Ask-a-Librarian also as this  has worked very well 
for me when researching in other states.
 
 
Lisa
 
In a message dated 2/27/2012 1:36:29 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
cdwarn...@gmail.com writes:

I am  currently trying to find any library or FHC that might have Polk City 
 Directories for Hayward (Alameda County) CA for the time period of  
1925-1927.  The Family History Library in 
Salt Lake City has Polk  Directories for 1930-32  1934 (which does not 
help), the Boston Public  Library supposedly has it on microfiche as does the 
Indianapolis Public  Library. 
I have tried the Hayward Public Library and the Hayward FHC (both  online). 
 I have also tried the Southern CA Genealogical Society's  Library online 
catalog, the San Diego Genealogical Society's Library online  catalog, the 
Los Angelles Public Library's online catalog and last but not  least I tried 
the Sutro Library in South San Francisco.  Does anyone have  any suggestions 
as to where else I can search.  

All I know is  that the family moved from Gloucester MA to Hayward in 
either 1925 or 1926,  lived there until summer of 1927 and that they lived on 
Orchard Street near  the elementary school. Unfortunately, my mother and all 
of her siblings are  deceased.  Does anyone have any suggestions of places 
that might these  records within California or does anyone have access to the 
Boston Public  Library?  

Thank you to all for all your help. 

Carol Silva  Warnock 
Researching:  Madruga (Lajes do Pico) (This is my mother's  paternal line) 
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Azevedo in San Francisco

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A relative told me that we had Azevedo cousins in San Francisco who worked  
at Hromada Candy Factory.  He did not remember first names.  I was  able to 
find through SF City Directories in 1944 Jerry Azevedo, candymaker, and  
Eve Azevedo, spinner, Hromada Candy Co.  The 1948 directory does not list  
Jerry but still lists Eve along with Emily J, clerk, Bank of California, and  
Jeanne E at the same address.  It is likely that the birth names were not  
Jerry  Eve.  Does anyone know of this  family?  

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Sao Jorge family names

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Don't have information for you, but am researching my great grandfather  
who immigrated from Sao Jorge about 1890.  His name was Jose (Joseph)  F 
Silveira Fuzila born November 1869.  I do not know where the family lived  on 
Sao 
Jorge.  Joseph lived in Clarksburg/Freeport, CA and I learned  from his 
obituary (1912) that he had a brother, John Silveira, who lived in  Vallejo, CA 
at that time, and a sister, Mrs. Benedaro who lived in Sausalito,  CA at 
that time.  His death certificate lists his father as John Silveira  and his 
mother as Mariano Floringo.  Anyone have any information about this  family?
 
 
In a message dated 1/9/2012 7:06:09 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
soccer4dad2...@yahoo.com writes:

Hello,
I am researching any connection regarding our family  names from Sao
Jorge:
Anna Silveira B:5-1859 Parents1. Joaquin Jose  Teixeira. Isabel
Silveira De Encaracao
Isabel Silveira De Encaracao  Parents 1. Raymond Jose Azevedo 2.
Beatrice Rosa. Other family names  related to this group are D'Avila
and Jose Raulino Azevedo Beatrice  Rosa

Antone/Antonio Enos Avila B :11-1855 Parents Frank Enos and  Anna
Isabel Vargas.

Anna Silveira and Antone are my g-grandparents  they came to US/
California in late 1800's Antone took name of Avila when  arrived here.
I have most of my family tree that is available on line but  get stuck
going backwards to the  Azores.

Thanks,
Larry


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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Salt Lake Genealogy Trip

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Wondering if the agenda has been posted and when registration will  open.  
Have not seen any postings regarding the trip recently.
 
Lisa
 
 
In a message dated 12/12/2011 4:54:19 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
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Cheri,

When are you going to open up registrations for the  Conference?? I wanted
to put a blurb in my Monterey Gen. Soc. newsletter  but I don't want to say
go until you have the info ready and the google doc  ready to add people.

Rosemarie


I thought I posted just  to Elaine.  Guess it's time to repost.

 Azores Genealogy  Conference and Research Trip,
 to be held at the Salt Lake Plaza Hotel  in Salt Lake City, Utah,
 from Tuesday, April 10 through Friday, April  13, 2012

 I received the contracts about 2 weeks ago.  So  it's pretty much
 finalized.
 I'll put the finishing touches on  the schedule THIS WEEK and will then
 post
 all the  details.  Rosemarie and I need to revamp the CCA lecture since
  they'll have a new web site (hopefully it will be up and running in 6
  months) and Family Search is going to have something new.  We will  let
 Mike
 Hall from Family Search give that lecture  though.

 We'll run this 2 ways.
 1) The  conference:  The participant will pay the fee and attend most or
  all
 of the lectures.
 2) Research trip:  The participant  pretty much doesn't want our help and
 just wants to hang out with a  bunch of Azorean researchers.  The
 discounted
 room rate  will still apply.  The conference fee will not, since the
  participant will not be attending lectures.  But we'll have a welcome  
and
 a
 goodbye with a little food, so there will be a small fee  for that.

 More details to follow.
 Cheri   Rosemarie

 On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 8:10 AM, Diane  Lavely
  allevacon...@gmail.comwrote:


 What is  the Salt Lake Trip???  Diane

 On Fri, Oct 21, 2011  at 7:22 PM, Cheri Mello gfsche...@gmail.com
  wrote:

 Salt Lake will be April 10 -13 (Tues  through Fri).  Since this is the
 first time Rosemarie and  I have ever had our spring breaks coincide, we
 decided to try  the April dates.  It probably won't happen again until
  Rosemarie retires.

  Cheri


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  Cheri,

 Is the 2012 Salt Lake trip  still on? Not sure if I can make it as I
  have
 a grandson graduating from college but can you  refresh the dates for
 me. I
 am  following the airlines, just in case, to find a reasonable  
airfare.
 Just
 got a $35 +tax each way  from Sacramento to Orange County in Jan.
 2012unheard  of! There was also $250 +tax round trip from West
 Coast  to
 East Coast. For both of these I think you had to  complete the trip by
 Feb.
 19 or some  such date. I believe this offer is over but I am hoping if
  I can
 make it to SLC, I might catch one of these great  fares along the way.

  Thanks.
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Portuguese Naming Traditions question

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thank you for the link to the article.  I found it somewhat helpful as  I 
also came across a stray last name that noone in my family had ever heard  
before.
 
Lisa
 
 
In a message dated 11/29/2011 9:57:57 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
gfsche...@gmail.com writes:

Pat,

The Medeiros comes from where ever she felt like.   Most of the time
it's from the parents or grandparents.  Sometimes it  the godparents.

Here's a brief article on naming traditions on the  Azores  GenWeb:
http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~azrwgw/naming.html

Cheri  Mello

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] MA death after 1917

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A great grandfather committed suicide (in CA) in 1912 and he is buried in  
the Catholic cemetery with other family members but with no grave marker.
 
 
In a message dated 10/4/2011 10:02:24 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  
bellema...@gmail.com writes:

Any  ideas of how to find a death in MA, probably in Bristol County, New 
Bedford or  Fall River, between 1917 and 1920 and probably a suicide. And in 
this  instance, I believe he would not have been allowed to be buried in a 
Catholic  cemeteryat least that is what we were told when we were younger 
- don't  know if that practice is still the same today. Maybe I should try 
non-catholic  cemeteries and see if he is buried there? Or is there a MA 
death index  somewhere which encompasses the 1920's? 

E  
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Vierra family Pico

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Researching my Portuguese ancestry and don't have much info on Vierra  
family.  What I know for this family:
 
Manuel Vieira (also spelled Vierra or Viera)
born 10 March 1873, Ribeirinha do Pico,  Azores
arrived in US about 1901,  settled in Sacramento, CA and sent for 
his wife and children about 1904

father:  Manuel Fernandes Vieira
born approximately 1838, Ribeirinha do Pico,  Azores
occupation:  stone mason
 
mother:  Polqueria Jacinta
born approximately 1847, Ribeirinha do Pico,  Azores
 
maternal aunt:  Mariana Jacinta Machado; lived  in Sacramento, CA 
c.1940's, married to Manuel Machado
 
Mary Azevedo
born 15 August 1871, Azores
married to Manuel Vieira about 1891
arrived in US about 1904 with children:   Manuel, John, Joseph, Mary, 
Marshall  Frank
 
father:  John Azevedo
mother:  unknown 
 
information for Manuel's parents is from an affidavit of birth completed in 
 US and cannot verify accuracy.  Do not know of siblings for Manuel or  
Mary.  Any information or direction would be  appreciated.

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