[AZORES-Genealogy] DNA Testing MyHeritage Transfer
Hi List, I transferred my FTDna raw data over to MyHeritage with Cheri's instructions, on Nov. 12th. I just now was notified that my ethnicity breakdown was available. Quite a few differences from FTDna! On FTDna I have *zero *Iberian ethnicity showing, on MyHeritage I show 47%! I show 84% Europe with 47% Iberian (Spain/Portugal) and 28% Greek (don't show this at all on FTDna. I'm showing 12% N. Africa and 1.8% Middle East which is basically what I show on FTDna. So, if you want to check out another DNA Company transfer your raw data over and take a look! Rosemarie rcap...@gmail.com Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores, Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA Testing MyHeritage Transfer
I just got back from my first trip to Sao Miguel and my family village, Porto Formoso. My family left there in 1883 for Hawaii. Our guide said the archipelago began to be settled sixty years before Columbus sailed for the New World, the first settlers included the Flemish, and some were from Brittany (and spoke Portuguese with a French accent). Complicating this, my genealogical research of the US censuses of 1900 and 1910 tells me that the Portuguese were not regarded then as Caucasian. So the DNA experience is indeed complex. On Thu, 15 Nov. 2018, 7:29 pm Rosemarie Capodicci Hi List, > I transferred my FTDna raw data over to MyHeritage with Cheri's > instructions, on Nov. 12th. I just now was notified that my ethnicity > breakdown was available. Quite a few differences from FTDna! On FTDna I > have *zero *Iberian ethnicity showing, on MyHeritage I show 47%! I show > 84% Europe with 47% Iberian (Spain/Portugal) and 28% Greek (don't show this > at all on FTDna. I'm showing 12% N. Africa and 1.8% Middle East which is > basically what I show on FTDna. So, if you want to check out another DNA > Company transfer your raw data over and take a look! > > Rosemarie > rcap...@gmail.com > Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores, > Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Azores Genealogy" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA Testing MyHeritage Transfer
Cheri needs to explain to you about each company and who has tested with them. It all depends on what that company is basing their info on. She can explain better than I can. Also, as Michael has stated, and we all know, the Azores were settled by many peoples from different lands. Europe was also conquered by many different groups so all that comes into play. Rosemarie rcap...@gmail.com Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores, Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily On Fri, Nov 16, 2018 at 8:33 AM Michael Giffin < michael.giffin.1...@gmail.com> wrote: > I just got back from my first trip to Sao Miguel and my family village, > Porto Formoso. My family left there in 1883 for Hawaii. Our guide said the > archipelago began to be settled sixty years before Columbus sailed for the > New World, the first settlers included the Flemish, and some were from > Brittany (and spoke Portuguese with a French accent). Complicating this, my > genealogical research of the US censuses of 1900 and 1910 tells me that the > Portuguese were not regarded then as Caucasian. So the DNA experience is > indeed complex. > > On Thu, 15 Nov. 2018, 7:29 pm Rosemarie Capodicci wrote: > >> Hi List, >> I transferred my FTDna raw data over to MyHeritage with Cheri's >> instructions, on Nov. 12th. I just now was notified that my ethnicity >> breakdown was available. Quite a few differences from FTDna! On FTDna I >> have *zero *Iberian ethnicity showing, on MyHeritage I show 47%! I show >> 84% Europe with 47% Iberian (Spain/Portugal) and 28% Greek (don't show this >> at all on FTDna. I'm showing 12% N. Africa and 1.8% Middle East which is >> basically what I show on FTDna. So, if you want to check out another DNA >> Company transfer your raw data over and take a look! >> >> Rosemarie >> rcap...@gmail.com >> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores, >> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Azores Genealogy" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. >> > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Azores Genealogy" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA Testing MyHeritage Transfer
And Rosemarie didn't mention that she also got some DNA matches that she doesn't have on FTDNA. New cousins to connect with! That's why we do this :) Now that ethnicity ESTIMATE thing.. Each company has contracted with population geneticists who have gone out and taken samples from various locations. Have they sampled the ENTIRE country or region? NO. So then they write the algorithms to calculate your ethnicity. Supposed you don't match their population samples? The algorithms has to take a guess to make you fit. EACH company does this. No one shares population samples. Therefore, they are all different. And this ethnicity ESTIMATE thing is still a developing science and will probably never get down to a country level since those are political boundaries. But there's no crystal ball. FTDNA tests more STR markers because of us genealogists. We have more SNPs on the tree of mankind because of us genealogists. We have pushed the geneticists further than they thought. They thought we were a bunch of old, bespeckled, retired senior citizens, rolling reels of mircofilm. We were searching and searching for answers and would use whatever technology we could to answer our questions. And we asked questions and pushed the geneticists. So the geneticists nicknamed us "citizen scientists." All the companies will continue to improve their ethnicity estimates. The genealogists will continue to push them. Now let me take Susan Vargas Murphy's results (100% Azorean, at least on paper): FTDNA 48% Iberian 23% SE Europe (this is probably Portuguese and this part of her sample didn't match the population sample, so the algorithm guessed) 10% Scandinavian (this could be something other than Portuguese and the algorithm didn't know what and took a guess; or some Viking type dude leaving DNA) 8% British Isles (possibly true, as some British did settle in the Azores; however, not all of the British Isles have been sampled yet) 8% North Africa (this is probably close to true; lots of Azoreans have North Africa - probably crossed the Straight of Gibraltar to Portugal and then to the Azores) 2% Jewish (probably close to true; we did have Jews in the Azores and it's an FTDNA estimate which has a REALLY GOOD Jewish population sample) AncestryDNA: 99% Iberian (they may have some samples from the Azores that Susan matches VERY well) 1% Senegal (this may be a guess for the North African; maybe it's a French influence. It's only 1% so I don't dwell on it). My Heritage: 45.2 % Iberian (Susan matches about 45% of their Portuguese population samples) 13.6 % Ireland, Scotland, Wales (possible true; some British empire types went to the Azores; not all have been sampled yet) 12.5 % Scandinavian (could be something other than Portuguese; could be an ancient Viking type dude who left his DNA in the Azores after being lonely at sea) 10.2 % Ashkanazi Jewish (This may be Sephardic. However, My Heritage was based in Israel and probably has a good Jewish sample too, although it's probably not Sephardic) 18.5 % “three more ethnicities” and if you look at their map it is mostly Northern Africa (N. Africa = Portuguese because of the Straight of Gibraltar thing) We are a bunch of things. Let the ethnicity ESTIMATES continue to develop and improve. Don't sweat it too much at this time. It's not there yet. Bill Seider said something about getting differences with his same raw data. Remember, it's your raw data against their population samples. How well you fit their samples. Or it will make a best fit type guess. So it has nothing to do with your data, it has to do with their population samples. Liz M mentioned paternity testing. Ethnicity ESTIMATES is a different part of DNA testing. Paternity testing is looking for amounts of shared centiMorgans between two people (3330 – 3720 cMs with 3487 cMs being the average for a parent child). They aren't looking for that ethnicity type DNA. They are looking for the AMOUNT of DNA shared. Susan asked which company has the biggest database. For ethnicity ESTIMATES, it doesn't matter. Which company has the MOST EXTENSIVE Portuguese (including all 9 of the Azores) in their population samples to compare us against for the most accurate ESTIMATE? No one at this time. I know with FTDNA, the previous version (not the current one) had a whopping 25 Portuguese population samples in it. That was to cover Portugal, the Azores, and Madeira...and it just didn't do it justice. The largest population sample was 147 Japanese. Japan is comprised of 6,852 islands. Their sample size doesn't do them justice either. FTDNA has since revamped it and I don't know the current numbers for their population samples. The latest company to revamp their ethnicity ESTIMATES was Ancestry. Which means 23 and Me or FTDNA are next. These companies want to have the most current information. So give them some time to go collect the population samples, analyze the data, and write algorithms and see how your new ethnicity ESTIMATES change
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA Testing MyHeritage Transfer
I just transferred mine and my mother’s. She passed away several years ago. I have regretted not having her test with Ancestry, so this was a no brainer! Of course we are both on Gedmatch, too. I had an account with MyHeritage several years ago so there is an existing tree. I didn’t renew with them because I had only found only one other tree with a possible match and they never responded to my inquiry. Now I’m getting possible matches to my old tree but would have to join to view them LOL! Right now I’m just in it for the DNA. :) Mary On Thursday, November 15, 2018, Rosemarie Capodicci wrote: > Hi List, > I transferred my FTDna raw data over to MyHeritage with Cheri's > instructions, on Nov. 12th. I just now was notified that my ethnicity > breakdown was available. Quite a few differences from FTDna! On FTDna I > have *zero *Iberian ethnicity showing, on MyHeritage I show 47%! I show > 84% Europe with 47% Iberian (Spain/Portugal) and 28% Greek (don't show this > at all on FTDna. I'm showing 12% N. Africa and 1.8% Middle East which is > basically what I show on FTDna. So, if you want to check out another DNA > Company transfer your raw data over and take a look! > > Rosemarie > rcap...@gmail.com > Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores, > Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Azores Genealogy" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA Testing MyHeritage Transfer
Cheri, Thank you! Your clarification should help a lot of folks. It is a ‘process’. Sent from my iPhone > On Nov 16, 2018, at 9:44 AM, Cheri Mello wrote: > > And Rosemarie didn't mention that she also got some DNA matches that she > doesn't have on FTDNA. New cousins to connect with! That's why we do this :) > > Now that ethnicity ESTIMATE thing.. > > Each company has contracted with population geneticists who have gone out and > taken samples from various locations. Have they sampled the ENTIRE country or > region? NO. So then they write the algorithms to calculate your ethnicity. > Supposed you don't match their population samples? The algorithms has to take > a guess to make you fit. EACH company does this. No one shares population > samples. Therefore, they are all different. And this ethnicity ESTIMATE thing > is still a developing science and will probably never get down to a country > level since those are political boundaries. But there's no crystal ball. > FTDNA tests more STR markers because of us genealogists. We have more SNPs on > the tree of mankind because of us genealogists. We have pushed the > geneticists further than they thought. They thought we were a bunch of old, > bespeckled, retired senior citizens, rolling reels of mircofilm. We were > searching and searching for answers and would use whatever technology we > could to answer our questions. And we asked questions and pushed the > geneticists. So the geneticists nicknamed us "citizen scientists." All the > companies will continue to improve their ethnicity estimates. The > genealogists will continue to push them. > > Now let me take Susan Vargas Murphy's results (100% Azorean, at least on > paper): > FTDNA > 48% Iberian > 23% SE Europe (this is probably Portuguese and this part of her sample didn't > match the population sample, so the algorithm guessed) > 10% Scandinavian (this could be something other than Portuguese and the > algorithm didn't know what and took a guess; or some Viking type dude leaving > DNA) > 8% British Isles (possibly true, as some British did settle in the Azores; > however, not all of the British Isles have been sampled yet) > 8% North Africa (this is probably close to true; lots of Azoreans have North > Africa - probably crossed the Straight of Gibraltar to Portugal and then to > the Azores) > 2% Jewish (probably close to true; we did have Jews in the Azores and it's an > FTDNA estimate which has a REALLY GOOD Jewish population sample) > > AncestryDNA: > 99% Iberian (they may have some samples from the Azores that Susan matches > VERY well) > 1% Senegal (this may be a guess for the North African; maybe it's a French > influence. It's only 1% so I don't dwell on it). > > My Heritage: > 45.2 % Iberian (Susan matches about 45% of their Portuguese population > samples) > 13.6 % Ireland, Scotland, Wales (possible true; some British empire types > went to the Azores; not all have been sampled yet) > 12.5 % Scandinavian (could be something other than Portuguese; could be an > ancient Viking type dude who left his DNA in the Azores after being lonely at > sea) > 10.2 % Ashkanazi Jewish (This may be Sephardic. However, My Heritage was > based in Israel and probably has a good Jewish sample too, although it's > probably not Sephardic) > 18.5 % “three more ethnicities” and if you look at their map it is mostly > Northern Africa (N. Africa = Portuguese because of the Straight of Gibraltar > thing) > > We are a bunch of things. Let the ethnicity ESTIMATES continue to develop and > improve. Don't sweat it too much at this time. It's not there yet. > > Bill Seider said something about getting differences with his same raw data. > Remember, it's your raw data against their population samples. How well you > fit their samples. Or it will make a best fit type guess. So it has nothing > to do with your data, it has to do with their population samples. > > Liz M mentioned paternity testing. Ethnicity ESTIMATES is a different part of > DNA testing. Paternity testing is looking for amounts of shared centiMorgans > between two people (3330 – 3720 cMs with 3487 cMs being the average for a > parent child). They aren't looking for that ethnicity type DNA. They are > looking for the AMOUNT of DNA shared. > > Susan asked which company has the biggest database. For ethnicity ESTIMATES, > it doesn't matter. Which company has the MOST EXTENSIVE Portuguese (including > all 9 of the Azores) in their population samples to compare us against for > the most accurate ESTIMATE? No one at this time. I know with FTDNA, the > previous version (not the current one) had a whopping 25 Portuguese > population samples in it. That was to cover Portugal, the Azores, and > Madeira...and it just didn't do it justice. The largest population sample was > 147 Japanese. Japan is comprised of 6,852 islands. Their sample size doesn't > do them justice either. FTDNA has since revamped it an
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Wonderful answer Cheri and thank you for the personal analysis on my Dna results!! Susan > On Nov 16, 2018, at 9:44 AM, Cheri Mello wrote: > > And Rosemarie didn't mention that she also got some DNA matches that she > doesn't have on FTDNA. New cousins to connect with! That's why we do this :) > > Now that ethnicity ESTIMATE thing.. > > Each company has contracted with population geneticists who have gone out and > taken samples from various locations. Have they sampled the ENTIRE country or > region? NO. So then they write the algorithms to calculate your ethnicity. > Supposed you don't match their population samples? The algorithms has to take > a guess to make you fit. EACH company does this. No one shares population > samples. Therefore, they are all different. And this ethnicity ESTIMATE thing > is still a developing science and will probably never get down to a country > level since those are political boundaries. But there's no crystal ball. > FTDNA tests more STR markers because of us genealogists. We have more SNPs on > the tree of mankind because of us genealogists. We have pushed the > geneticists further than they thought. They thought we were a bunch of old, > bespeckled, retired senior citizens, rolling reels of mircofilm. We were > searching and searching for answers and would use whatever technology we > could to answer our questions. And we asked questions and pushed the > geneticists. So the geneticists nicknamed us "citizen scientists." All the > companies will continue to improve their ethnicity estimates. The > genealogists will continue to push them. > > Now let me take Susan Vargas Murphy's results (100% Azorean, at least on > paper): > FTDNA > 48% Iberian > 23% SE Europe (this is probably Portuguese and this part of her sample didn't > match the population sample, so the algorithm guessed) > 10% Scandinavian (this could be something other than Portuguese and the > algorithm didn't know what and took a guess; or some Viking type dude leaving > DNA) > 8% British Isles (possibly true, as some British did settle in the Azores; > however, not all of the British Isles have been sampled yet) > 8% North Africa (this is probably close to true; lots of Azoreans have North > Africa - probably crossed the Straight of Gibraltar to Portugal and then to > the Azores) > 2% Jewish (probably close to true; we did have Jews in the Azores and it's an > FTDNA estimate which has a REALLY GOOD Jewish population sample) > > AncestryDNA: > 99% Iberian (they may have some samples from the Azores that Susan matches > VERY well) > 1% Senegal (this may be a guess for the North African; maybe it's a French > influence. It's only 1% so I don't dwell on it). > > My Heritage: > 45.2 % Iberian (Susan matches about 45% of their Portuguese population > samples) > 13.6 % Ireland, Scotland, Wales (possible true; some British empire types > went to the Azores; not all have been sampled yet) > 12.5 % Scandinavian (could be something other than Portuguese; could be an > ancient Viking type dude who left his DNA in the Azores after being lonely at > sea) > 10.2 % Ashkanazi Jewish (This may be Sephardic. However, My Heritage was > based in Israel and probably has a good Jewish sample too, although it's > probably not Sephardic) > 18.5 % “three more ethnicities” and if you look at their map it is mostly > Northern Africa (N. Africa = Portuguese because of the Straight of Gibraltar > thing) > > We are a bunch of things. Let the ethnicity ESTIMATES continue to develop and > improve. Don't sweat it too much at this time. It's not there yet. > > Bill Seider said something about getting differences with his same raw data. > Remember, it's your raw data against their population samples. How well you > fit their samples. Or it will make a best fit type guess. So it has nothing > to do with your data, it has to do with their population samples. > > Liz M mentioned paternity testing. Ethnicity ESTIMATES is a different part of > DNA testing. Paternity testing is looking for amounts of shared centiMorgans > between two people (3330 – 3720 cMs with 3487 cMs being the average for a > parent child). They aren't looking for that ethnicity type DNA. They are > looking for the AMOUNT of DNA shared. > > Susan asked which company has the biggest database. For ethnicity ESTIMATES, > it doesn't matter. Which company has the MOST EXTENSIVE Portuguese (including > all 9 of the Azores) in their population samples to compare us against for > the most accurate ESTIMATE? No one at this time. I know with FTDNA, the > previous version (not the current one) had a whopping 25 Portuguese > population samples in it. That was to cover Portugal, the Azores, and > Madeira...and it just didn't do it justice. The largest population sample was > 147 Japanese. Japan is comprised of 6,852 islands. Their sample size doesn't > do them justice either. FTDNA has since revamped it and I don't know
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Cheri thanks for that great explanation. It is the best explanation I have ever read regarding the differences in DNA test results, and the diffrent companies who test. Absolutely Outstanding! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
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Hi List - Feeling a bit lop sided, and leaning heavily towards my Maternal side on Ancestry. Dad's families from the Azores, researched back to late 1680ish. Mom's families from Ireland, Scotland and England. >From Mom's areas, Ancestry ranks me at 72%; FTDNA at 54%; and My Heritage at 47.7%. *Add remaining to Paternal lines, Ancestry 28%; FTDNA at 46%; and My Heritage at 52.3%.* Total Ethnicity of Maternal & Paternal . 100% .. 100% . 100. % Too funny - wonder how 23andMe will rank my ethnicity - *Ancestry* .. *FTDNA* . My Heritage Country ..Previous - Now England,Wales, & NW Europe .. 41% . *47*%* *British Isles *54*% . *47.7*% Ireland & Scotland 6% *25*% Iberian Peninsula . 14% *25.6*% * Refined Portugal . *23*%* .. * Spain/Portugal *20*% Europe West . 13% .. Europe No/W 0*.8* % * Refined Germanic Europe ... *4*% Europe South 11% ... Europe SoEast *20*% ... * Italy *9.*0% ... * Greece *7.1* % ... * Bulgaria to Croatia Europe East . 3% ... Balkan *8.2*% Africa North ... 4% * 3*% Middle East .. 2% *3*% Scandinavia ... 2% Finland ... 2% .. *1*% .. *1.6* % European Jewish ... < 1% Asia Central ... < 1% ALLY Vieira Anselmo/Pinheiro Nunes Sao Miguel & Faial On Sat, Nov 17, 2018 at 4:13 AM Herb wrote: > Cheri thanks for that great explanation. It is the best explanation I have > ever read regarding the differences in DNA test results, and the diffrent > companies who test. Absolutely Outstanding! > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Azores Genealogy" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
