Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA and Azores

[Rob Whaite]

Hi Cheri

I have found out more about this Do Couto for Du Coyte that you so kindly 
suggested. Spot on, absolutely correct.

The English of course have trouble pronouncing European names and so there 
is a myriad of spellings. I have even seen DeKoyte.

I have some more questions but will get back to you another time.

Thanks again

Rob



On Wednesday, November 27, 2019 at 5:33:44 AM UTC+10:30, Cheri Mello wrote:
>
> Rob W,
>
> There is no way to give you any advise without me looking at your DNA page 
> on FTDNA. I would be a lot of guesses and nothing concrete.
>
> Here are the join instructions:   
>
> Log into the FTDNA page with the kit number and password.
>
> Across the top is says: myFTDNA, DNA Tests, ProjectsPoint at Projects. 
> When the drop down menu appears, click "Join a project."
>
> If the Azores Islands appears on the top, click the link and scroll down 
> to the JOIN button at the end.
>
> If the Azores Islands is not suggested, scroll down to where it says 
> "Search by Surname" and type: azores.
>
> When Azores Islands appears, click the link and follow the directions. 
>
>
> ==
>
> My guess is that "Du Coyte" may be "do Couto."
>
> After you join the Azores DNA Project, I can tell you more. Otherwise, 
> it's just some wild guesses.
> Thanks, Cheri Mello, Family Tree DNA Admin (volunteer), Azores DNA Project 
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 26, 2019 at 10:57 AM Rob Whaite  > wrote:
>
>> Hi
>>
>> One of my 2nd Great Grandfather's came to South Australia in 1848.
>> Unfortunately most shipping lists of the time have"not survived"  to use 
>> the official term.There are some Newspaper reports but they are notoriously 
>> unreliable and misspellings abound.
>> He was born about 1808 and went by the name of Joseph Josephs which 
>> unfortunately was not his real name. His real name was supposed to be Du 
>> Coyte or something similar 
>> When one of his daughter's died the obituary said that her father fought 
>> in the Crimean war which is impossible of course because he was already in 
>> Australia before that war began.
>> He may have fought in the Portuguese civil war as he would have been old 
>> enough.
>>
>> He probably came to Australia via England. Very hard to find a name when 
>> you don't know what name to look for? He was however Portuguese and spoke 
>> very poor English.
>>
>> I have had my DNA tested with Ancestry and uploaded my info To "My 
>> Heritage" FTDNA,Living DNA and Gedmatch.
>> Ancestry does not recognize my Portuguese ancestry although it did 
>> originally, however "My Heritage" does!!
>>
>> I have been checking my Portugal matches on Ancestry and over 90% of them 
>> have an ancestor from the Azores within 3-4 generations.  I don't know how 
>> common that is in the overall Portuguese population??
>> I do know that Joseph was suppose to have come from an island and had a 
>> brother that went to South America,Brazil??
>>
>> I know this is a bit long winded but do you think it is reasonable to 
>> assume that Joseph came from the Azores? At least at this stage?
>>
>> I'm just looking for an opinion and as I have explained I have next to 
>> nothing to go on!!!
>>
>> Rob
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA and Azores

[Rob Whaite]

Thanks Cheri

On Thu, Nov 28, 2019 at 11:44 AM Cheri Mello  wrote:

> Hi Rob,
>
> I responded to you privately about your personal DNA matches.
>
> Cheri
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 27, 2019 at 5:13 PM Rob Whaite  wrote:
>
>> Hi Cheri I joined the Azores group on FTDNA as we discussed Regards Rob
>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA and Azores

[Cheri Mello]

Hi Rob,

I responded to you privately about your personal DNA matches.

Cheri
Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada


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> Hi Cheri I joined the Azores group on FTDNA as we discussed Regards Rob
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA and Azores

[Rob Whaite]

Hi Cheri I joined the Azores group on FTDNA as we discussed Regards Rob

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA and Azores

[Rob Whaite]

I would have to agree!!

On Wednesday, November 27, 2019 at 9:05:19 AM UTC+10:30, Cheri Mello wrote:
>
> There's DNA tests and then there are components to the DNA tests. The DNA 
> tests aren't too hard to differentiate:
>
> 23 and Me: Autosomal only.
> AncestryDNA: Autosomal only.
> Family Tree DNA (FTDNA): Y-DNA, mtDNA, and Autosomal DNA.
> Living DNA: Autosomal only.
> My Heritage: Autosomal only.
>
> All companies offer autosomal. Only FTDNA offers Y-DNA and mtDNA (out of 
> the major DNA companies for genealogy, that is).
>
> Y-DNA traces a man's strict paternal line (his father's father's father's 
> father line) back in time. Only this one line. To get into a genealogy time 
> frame, one needs to purchase 37, 67, or 111 markers. There's also Big Y-700 
> which can place you on the tree of mankind. It's more anthropological in 
> nature. It is beyond the paper trail. They hope is to connect beyond the 
> paper trail and meet where surnames left off. I've seen lots of talk with 
> new branches discovered for the tree of mankind. I haven't seen a genealogy 
> success story yet with Big Y.
>
> mtDNA traces anyone's strict maternal line (their mother's mother's 
> mother's mother line) back in time. Only this one line. To get into a 
> genealogy time frame, one needs to purchase the Full Mitochondrial Sequence 
> test. Once the database reaches critical mass, about half of the matches 
> may be in a genealogical time frame. It is best used in conjunction with 
> another researcher in trying to prove a line. It's a little harder to use 
> on its own. It can be played off of the autosomal (Family Finder) in some 
> cases.
>
> Autosomal DNA (FTDNA calls this its Family Finder test). This test covers 
> the DNA of ALL ancestral lines back about 200 years before the birth of the 
> testee. So if one was born in 1950, for example, that person has DNA in 
> them back to 1750. You can get matches across all lines with this test. If 
> I'm not mistaken, only 23 and Me, FTDNA, and My Heritage have the X 
> matching component. All companies do have an ethnicity ESTIMATE as one 
> component to their autosomal test. They run your DNA against their 
> population samples - all of which are woefully inadequate. They've only 
> begun to touch the surface of this part of the DNA. And no, the companies 
> aren't going to share their population samples. Major car manufactures 
> don't share their carburetors. One cannot put a Honda carburetor into a 
> Ford car. It doesn't work that way. They each develop their own and so it 
> is with the population samples for DNA.
>
> So use the ethnicity ESTIMATES as cocktail party conversation this holiday 
> season while you toast with a nice glass of vinho!
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 26, 2019 at 1:47 PM E. Sharp > 
> wrote:
>
>> The difference of DNA tests between FTDNA and Ancestry is impossible to 
>> understand.I traced a line very carefully.  One brother used FTDNA, his 
>> sister used  Ancestry.  FTDNA results came out very closely to my research 
>> to the 1500’s Portuguese, Italian, Croatian and English. Ancestry says 
>> mostly FrenchI have found no French thus far in this family Go 
>> figure.  
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Nov 26, 2019, at 11:03 AM, Cheri Mello > > wrote:
>>
>> Rob W,
>>
>> There is no way to give you any advise without me looking at your DNA 
>> page on FTDNA. I would be a lot of guesses and nothing concrete.
>>
>> Here are the join instructions:   
>>
>> Log into the FTDNA page with the kit number and password.
>>
>> Across the top is says: myFTDNA, DNA Tests, ProjectsPoint at 
>> Projects. When the drop down menu appears, click "Join a project."
>>
>> If the Azores Islands appears on the top, click the link and scroll down 
>> to the JOIN button at the end.
>>
>> If the Azores Islands is not suggested, scroll down to where it says 
>> "Search by Surname" and type: azores.
>>
>> When Azores Islands appears, click the link and follow the directions. 
>>
>>
>> ==
>>
>> My guess is that "Du Coyte" may be "do Couto."
>>
>> After you join the Azores DNA Project, I can tell you more. Otherwise, 
>> it's just some wild guesses.
>> Thanks, Cheri Mello, Family Tree DNA Admin (volunteer), Azores DNA Project 
>> Cheri Mello
>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
>> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 26, 2019 at 10:57 AM Rob Whaite > > wrote:
>>
>>> Hi
>>>
>>> One of my 2nd Great Grandfather's came to South Australia in 1848.
>>> Unfortunately most shipping lists of the time have"not survived"  to use 
>>> the official term.There are some Newspaper reports but they are notoriously 
>>> unreliable and misspellings abound.
>>> He was born about 1808 and went by the name of Joseph 

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA and Azores

[Cheri Mello]

It's the French that gets misread. There was some French influence on Sao
Miguel and my mom has some French as well.
Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada


On Tue, Nov 26, 2019 at 6:45 PM JesseAndDeborah Mendonca <
jessdebmendo...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Plus you can’t be 33% of your dad is only 12% Iberian, lol.   Your chart
> is crazy.
>
> Is the French possibly because of the Flemish?   Jesse had previously been
> tagged as more French.
>
> All 4 of his own grandparents immigrated to Hawaii from either São Miguel
> or Madeira, yet he is about 15-20% other.   He has shown to be 3-5%
> Ashkenazi on several estimates with Ancestry and FTDNA.
>
> ITS FASCINATING!
>
> Debbie
>
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 26, 2019 at 5:13 PM Cheri Mello  wrote:
>
>> Ancestry uses trees for the "spot on" analysis. Imagine the poor person
>> who has a poorly researched tree and everyone copies without verification?
>> And they are on the wrong island(s)? People move around, so pinpointing a
>> location is going to be close to impossible with DNA.
>>
>> My dad is 50% Azorean (his paternal grandparents came from there).
>> Therefore, I am 25%. My mother has no Portuguese in her whatsoever. She has
>> long lines in the U.S. and based on the surnames, she's heavy English,
>> Irish, and Scot.
>>
>> [image: image.png]
>>
>> My dad does get readings from Africa, probably due to the Moors and all
>> that history. His French may be misread stuff from the Roman Empire, such
>> as the Franks.
>>
>> I find FTDNA's 33% Iberian really funny because I'm only 25%. Oh well,
>> we'll see what the next update holds.
>>
>> In the meantime, I'm going to work my matches and figure out connections
>> that I didn't have before. That's where the whole meat of this is at right
>> now.
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 26, 2019 at 3:20 PM 'Lisa' via Azores Genealogy <
>> azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>
>>> The most recent update on AncestryDNA was spot on (finally) including
>>> correctly identifying my islands:  43% Portuguese—>Azores—>Pico & Sao Jorge.
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Nov 26, 2019, at 1:47 PM, E. Sharp  wrote:
>>>
>>> The difference of DNA tests between FTDNA and Ancestry is impossible to
>>> understand.I traced a line very carefully.  One brother used FTDNA, his
>>> sister used  Ancestry.  FTDNA results came out very closely to my research
>>> to the 1500’s Portuguese, Italian, Croatian and English. Ancestry says
>>> mostly FrenchI have found no French thus far in this family Go
>>> figure.
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Nov 26, 2019, at 11:03 AM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
>>>
>>> Rob W,
>>>
>>> There is no way to give you any advise without me looking at your DNA
>>> page on FTDNA. I would be a lot of guesses and nothing concrete.
>>>
>>> Here are the join instructions:
>>>
>>> Log into the FTDNA page with the kit number and password.
>>>
>>> Across the top is says: myFTDNA, DNA Tests, ProjectsPoint at
>>> Projects. When the drop down menu appears, click "Join a project."
>>>
>>> If the Azores Islands appears on the top, click the link and scroll down
>>> to the JOIN button at the end.
>>>
>>> If the Azores Islands is not suggested, scroll down to where it says
>>> "Search by Surname" and type: azores.
>>>
>>> When Azores Islands appears, click the link and follow the directions.
>>>
>>>
>>> ==
>>>
>>> My guess is that "Du Coyte" may be "do Couto."
>>>
>>> After you join the Azores DNA Project, I can tell you more. Otherwise,
>>> it's just some wild guesses.
>>> Thanks, Cheri Mello, Family Tree DNA Admin (volunteer), Azores DNA
>>> Project
>>> Cheri Mello
>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira
>>> Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Nov 26, 2019 at 10:57 AM Rob Whaite  wrote:
>>>
 Hi

 One of my 2nd Great Grandfather's came to South Australia in 1848.
 Unfortunately most shipping lists of the time have"not survived"  to
 use the official term.There are some Newspaper reports but they are
 notoriously unreliable and misspellings abound.
 He was born about 1808 and went by the name of Joseph Josephs which
 unfortunately was not his real name. His real name was supposed to be Du
 Coyte or something similar
 When one of his daughter's died the obituary said that her father
 fought in the Crimean war which is impossible of course because he was
 already in Australia before that war began.
 He may have fought in the Portuguese civil war as he would have been
 old enough.

 He probably came to Australia via England. Very hard to find a name
 when you don't know what name to look for? He was however Portuguese and
 spoke very poor English.

 I have had my DNA tested with Ancestry and uploaded my info To "My
 Heritage" FTDNA,Living DNA and Gedmatch.
 Ancestry 

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA and Azores

[JesseAndDeborah Mendonca]

Plus you can’t be 33% of your dad is only 12% Iberian, lol.   Your chart is
crazy.

Is the French possibly because of the Flemish?   Jesse had previously been
tagged as more French.

All 4 of his own grandparents immigrated to Hawaii from either São Miguel
or Madeira, yet he is about 15-20% other.   He has shown to be 3-5%
Ashkenazi on several estimates with Ancestry and FTDNA.

ITS FASCINATING!

Debbie



On Tue, Nov 26, 2019 at 5:13 PM Cheri Mello  wrote:

> Ancestry uses trees for the "spot on" analysis. Imagine the poor person
> who has a poorly researched tree and everyone copies without verification?
> And they are on the wrong island(s)? People move around, so pinpointing a
> location is going to be close to impossible with DNA.
>
> My dad is 50% Azorean (his paternal grandparents came from there).
> Therefore, I am 25%. My mother has no Portuguese in her whatsoever. She has
> long lines in the U.S. and based on the surnames, she's heavy English,
> Irish, and Scot.
>
> [image: image.png]
>
> My dad does get readings from Africa, probably due to the Moors and all
> that history. His French may be misread stuff from the Roman Empire, such
> as the Franks.
>
> I find FTDNA's 33% Iberian really funny because I'm only 25%. Oh well,
> we'll see what the next update holds.
>
> In the meantime, I'm going to work my matches and figure out connections
> that I didn't have before. That's where the whole meat of this is at right
> now.
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 26, 2019 at 3:20 PM 'Lisa' via Azores Genealogy <
> azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
>> The most recent update on AncestryDNA was spot on (finally) including
>> correctly identifying my islands:  43% Portuguese—>Azores—>Pico & Sao Jorge.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Nov 26, 2019, at 1:47 PM, E. Sharp  wrote:
>>
>> The difference of DNA tests between FTDNA and Ancestry is impossible to
>> understand.I traced a line very carefully.  One brother used FTDNA, his
>> sister used  Ancestry.  FTDNA results came out very closely to my research
>> to the 1500’s Portuguese, Italian, Croatian and English. Ancestry says
>> mostly FrenchI have found no French thus far in this family Go
>> figure.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Nov 26, 2019, at 11:03 AM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
>>
>> Rob W,
>>
>> There is no way to give you any advise without me looking at your DNA
>> page on FTDNA. I would be a lot of guesses and nothing concrete.
>>
>> Here are the join instructions:
>>
>> Log into the FTDNA page with the kit number and password.
>>
>> Across the top is says: myFTDNA, DNA Tests, ProjectsPoint at
>> Projects. When the drop down menu appears, click "Join a project."
>>
>> If the Azores Islands appears on the top, click the link and scroll down
>> to the JOIN button at the end.
>>
>> If the Azores Islands is not suggested, scroll down to where it says
>> "Search by Surname" and type: azores.
>>
>> When Azores Islands appears, click the link and follow the directions.
>>
>>
>> ==
>>
>> My guess is that "Du Coyte" may be "do Couto."
>>
>> After you join the Azores DNA Project, I can tell you more. Otherwise,
>> it's just some wild guesses.
>> Thanks, Cheri Mello, Family Tree DNA Admin (volunteer), Azores DNA Project
>> Cheri Mello
>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
>> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 26, 2019 at 10:57 AM Rob Whaite  wrote:
>>
>>> Hi
>>>
>>> One of my 2nd Great Grandfather's came to South Australia in 1848.
>>> Unfortunately most shipping lists of the time have"not survived"  to use
>>> the official term.There are some Newspaper reports but they are notoriously
>>> unreliable and misspellings abound.
>>> He was born about 1808 and went by the name of Joseph Josephs which
>>> unfortunately was not his real name. His real name was supposed to be Du
>>> Coyte or something similar
>>> When one of his daughter's died the obituary said that her father fought
>>> in the Crimean war which is impossible of course because he was already in
>>> Australia before that war began.
>>> He may have fought in the Portuguese civil war as he would have been old
>>> enough.
>>>
>>> He probably came to Australia via England. Very hard to find a name when
>>> you don't know what name to look for? He was however Portuguese and spoke
>>> very poor English.
>>>
>>> I have had my DNA tested with Ancestry and uploaded my info To "My
>>> Heritage" FTDNA,Living DNA and Gedmatch.
>>> Ancestry does not recognize my Portuguese ancestry although it did
>>> originally, however "My Heritage" does!!
>>>
>>> I have been checking my Portugal matches on Ancestry and over 90% of
>>> them have an ancestor from the Azores within 3-4 generations.  I don't know
>>> how common that is in the overall Portuguese population??
>>> I do know that Joseph was suppose to have come from an island and had a
>>> brother that went to South America,Brazil??
>>>
>>> I know this is a bit long 

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA and Azores

[Cheri Mello]

Debbie,

Your husband's R-M269 is not helpful for genealogy. However, you know where
he falls on the tree of mankind.

Look at your husband's Y-DNA matches. He's got 4 decent ones (Genetic
Distance of 1 or 2). Three out of the 4 people have trees and the one
missing a tree is managed by the same person as match #2. Look at the trees
at the Y-DNA line and compare to yours. Then email the people if you find
the match :)

Cheri
Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada


On Tue, Nov 26, 2019 at 3:39 PM JesseAndDeborah Mendonca <
jessdebmendo...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Thanks Cheri, for the info.  My husband’s Y-37 turned out to be the most
> common, R-M269.  I haven’t figured out how it is helpful, yet.
>
>
> FTDNA got my husband’s locations correct, too.  Azores, São  Miguel and
> Madeira.   It also listed Guyana as a diaspora possibility, but not São
> Paulo Brazil— maybe they weren’t there long enough to establish a line
> there.  I was sorry locations weren’t listed a year ago when I was totally
> lost, lol.   But it would have ruined the satisfaction of finding São Roque
> on São Miguel, I guess.
>
> Debbie Shepherd Mendonca
>
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 26, 2019 at 2:35 PM Cheri Mello  wrote:
>
>> There's DNA tests and then there are components to the DNA tests. The DNA
>> tests aren't too hard to differentiate:
>>
>> 23 and Me: Autosomal only.
>> AncestryDNA: Autosomal only.
>> Family Tree DNA (FTDNA): Y-DNA, mtDNA, and Autosomal DNA.
>> Living DNA: Autosomal only.
>> My Heritage: Autosomal only.
>>
>> All companies offer autosomal. Only FTDNA offers Y-DNA and mtDNA (out of
>> the major DNA companies for genealogy, that is).
>>
>> Y-DNA traces a man's strict paternal line (his father's father's father's
>> father line) back in time. Only this one line. To get into a genealogy time
>> frame, one needs to purchase 37, 67, or 111 markers. There's also Big Y-700
>> which can place you on the tree of mankind. It's more anthropological in
>> nature. It is beyond the paper trail. They hope is to connect beyond the
>> paper trail and meet where surnames left off. I've seen lots of talk with
>> new branches discovered for the tree of mankind. I haven't seen a genealogy
>> success story yet with Big Y.
>>
>> mtDNA traces anyone's strict maternal line (their mother's mother's
>> mother's mother line) back in time. Only this one line. To get into a
>> genealogy time frame, one needs to purchase the Full Mitochondrial Sequence
>> test. Once the database reaches critical mass, about half of the matches
>> may be in a genealogical time frame. It is best used in conjunction with
>> another researcher in trying to prove a line. It's a little harder to use
>> on its own. It can be played off of the autosomal (Family Finder) in some
>> cases.
>>
>> Autosomal DNA (FTDNA calls this its Family Finder test). This test covers
>> the DNA of ALL ancestral lines back about 200 years before the birth of the
>> testee. So if one was born in 1950, for example, that person has DNA in
>> them back to 1750. You can get matches across all lines with this test. If
>> I'm not mistaken, only 23 and Me, FTDNA, and My Heritage have the X
>> matching component. All companies do have an ethnicity ESTIMATE as one
>> component to their autosomal test. They run your DNA against their
>> population samples - all of which are woefully inadequate. They've only
>> begun to touch the surface of this part of the DNA. And no, the companies
>> aren't going to share their population samples. Major car manufactures
>> don't share their carburetors. One cannot put a Honda carburetor into a
>> Ford car. It doesn't work that way. They each develop their own and so it
>> is with the population samples for DNA.
>>
>> So use the ethnicity ESTIMATES as cocktail party conversation this
>> holiday season while you toast with a nice glass of vinho!
>>
>> Cheri Mello
>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
>> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 26, 2019 at 1:47 PM E. Sharp  wrote:
>>
>>> The difference of DNA tests between FTDNA and Ancestry is impossible to
>>> understand.I traced a line very carefully.  One brother used FTDNA, his
>>> sister used  Ancestry.  FTDNA results came out very closely to my research
>>> to the 1500’s Portuguese, Italian, Croatian and English. Ancestry says
>>> mostly FrenchI have found no French thus far in this family Go
>>> figure.
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Nov 26, 2019, at 11:03 AM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
>>>
>>> Rob W,
>>>
>>> There is no way to give you any advise without me looking at your DNA
>>> page on FTDNA. I would be a lot of guesses and nothing concrete.
>>>
>>> Here are the join instructions:
>>>
>>> Log into the FTDNA page with the kit number and password.
>>>
>>> Across the top is says: myFTDNA, DNA Tests, ProjectsPoint at
>>> Projects. 

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA and Azores

[Cheri Mello]

Ancestry uses trees for the "spot on" analysis. Imagine the poor person who
has a poorly researched tree and everyone copies without verification? And
they are on the wrong island(s)? People move around, so pinpointing a
location is going to be close to impossible with DNA.

My dad is 50% Azorean (his paternal grandparents came from there).
Therefore, I am 25%. My mother has no Portuguese in her whatsoever. She has
long lines in the U.S. and based on the surnames, she's heavy English,
Irish, and Scot.

[image: image.png]

My dad does get readings from Africa, probably due to the Moors and all
that history. His French may be misread stuff from the Roman Empire, such
as the Franks.

I find FTDNA's 33% Iberian really funny because I'm only 25%. Oh well,
we'll see what the next update holds.

In the meantime, I'm going to work my matches and figure out connections
that I didn't have before. That's where the whole meat of this is at right
now.


On Tue, Nov 26, 2019 at 3:20 PM 'Lisa' via Azores Genealogy <
azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> The most recent update on AncestryDNA was spot on (finally) including
> correctly identifying my islands:  43% Portuguese—>Azores—>Pico & Sao Jorge.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Nov 26, 2019, at 1:47 PM, E. Sharp  wrote:
>
> The difference of DNA tests between FTDNA and Ancestry is impossible to
> understand.I traced a line very carefully.  One brother used FTDNA, his
> sister used  Ancestry.  FTDNA results came out very closely to my research
> to the 1500’s Portuguese, Italian, Croatian and English. Ancestry says
> mostly FrenchI have found no French thus far in this family Go
> figure.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Nov 26, 2019, at 11:03 AM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
>
> Rob W,
>
> There is no way to give you any advise without me looking at your DNA page
> on FTDNA. I would be a lot of guesses and nothing concrete.
>
> Here are the join instructions:
>
> Log into the FTDNA page with the kit number and password.
>
> Across the top is says: myFTDNA, DNA Tests, ProjectsPoint at Projects.
> When the drop down menu appears, click "Join a project."
>
> If the Azores Islands appears on the top, click the link and scroll down
> to the JOIN button at the end.
>
> If the Azores Islands is not suggested, scroll down to where it says
> "Search by Surname" and type: azores.
>
> When Azores Islands appears, click the link and follow the directions.
>
>
> ==
>
> My guess is that "Du Coyte" may be "do Couto."
>
> After you join the Azores DNA Project, I can tell you more. Otherwise,
> it's just some wild guesses.
> Thanks, Cheri Mello, Family Tree DNA Admin (volunteer), Azores DNA Project
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 26, 2019 at 10:57 AM Rob Whaite  wrote:
>
>> Hi
>>
>> One of my 2nd Great Grandfather's came to South Australia in 1848.
>> Unfortunately most shipping lists of the time have"not survived"  to use
>> the official term.There are some Newspaper reports but they are notoriously
>> unreliable and misspellings abound.
>> He was born about 1808 and went by the name of Joseph Josephs which
>> unfortunately was not his real name. His real name was supposed to be Du
>> Coyte or something similar
>> When one of his daughter's died the obituary said that her father fought
>> in the Crimean war which is impossible of course because he was already in
>> Australia before that war began.
>> He may have fought in the Portuguese civil war as he would have been old
>> enough.
>>
>> He probably came to Australia via England. Very hard to find a name when
>> you don't know what name to look for? He was however Portuguese and spoke
>> very poor English.
>>
>> I have had my DNA tested with Ancestry and uploaded my info To "My
>> Heritage" FTDNA,Living DNA and Gedmatch.
>> Ancestry does not recognize my Portuguese ancestry although it did
>> originally, however "My Heritage" does!!
>>
>> I have been checking my Portugal matches on Ancestry and over 90% of them
>> have an ancestor from the Azores within 3-4 generations.  I don't know how
>> common that is in the overall Portuguese population??
>> I do know that Joseph was suppose to have come from an island and had a
>> brother that went to South America,Brazil??
>>
>> I know this is a bit long winded but do you think it is reasonable to
>> assume that Joseph came from the Azores? At least at this stage?
>>
>> I'm just looking for an opinion and as I have explained I have next to
>> nothing to go on!!!
>>
>> Rob
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
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>> "Azores Genealogy" group.
>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an
>> email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
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>> 

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA and Azores

[JesseAndDeborah Mendonca]

Thanks Cheri, for the info.  My husband’s Y-37 turned out to be the most
common, R-M269.  I haven’t figured out how it is helpful, yet.


FTDNA got my husband’s locations correct, too.  Azores, São  Miguel and
Madeira.   It also listed Guyana as a diaspora possibility, but not São
Paulo Brazil— maybe they weren’t there long enough to establish a line
there.  I was sorry locations weren’t listed a year ago when I was totally
lost, lol.   But it would have ruined the satisfaction of finding São Roque
on São Miguel, I guess.

Debbie Shepherd Mendonca



On Tue, Nov 26, 2019 at 2:35 PM Cheri Mello  wrote:

> There's DNA tests and then there are components to the DNA tests. The DNA
> tests aren't too hard to differentiate:
>
> 23 and Me: Autosomal only.
> AncestryDNA: Autosomal only.
> Family Tree DNA (FTDNA): Y-DNA, mtDNA, and Autosomal DNA.
> Living DNA: Autosomal only.
> My Heritage: Autosomal only.
>
> All companies offer autosomal. Only FTDNA offers Y-DNA and mtDNA (out of
> the major DNA companies for genealogy, that is).
>
> Y-DNA traces a man's strict paternal line (his father's father's father's
> father line) back in time. Only this one line. To get into a genealogy time
> frame, one needs to purchase 37, 67, or 111 markers. There's also Big Y-700
> which can place you on the tree of mankind. It's more anthropological in
> nature. It is beyond the paper trail. They hope is to connect beyond the
> paper trail and meet where surnames left off. I've seen lots of talk with
> new branches discovered for the tree of mankind. I haven't seen a genealogy
> success story yet with Big Y.
>
> mtDNA traces anyone's strict maternal line (their mother's mother's
> mother's mother line) back in time. Only this one line. To get into a
> genealogy time frame, one needs to purchase the Full Mitochondrial Sequence
> test. Once the database reaches critical mass, about half of the matches
> may be in a genealogical time frame. It is best used in conjunction with
> another researcher in trying to prove a line. It's a little harder to use
> on its own. It can be played off of the autosomal (Family Finder) in some
> cases.
>
> Autosomal DNA (FTDNA calls this its Family Finder test). This test covers
> the DNA of ALL ancestral lines back about 200 years before the birth of the
> testee. So if one was born in 1950, for example, that person has DNA in
> them back to 1750. You can get matches across all lines with this test. If
> I'm not mistaken, only 23 and Me, FTDNA, and My Heritage have the X
> matching component. All companies do have an ethnicity ESTIMATE as one
> component to their autosomal test. They run your DNA against their
> population samples - all of which are woefully inadequate. They've only
> begun to touch the surface of this part of the DNA. And no, the companies
> aren't going to share their population samples. Major car manufactures
> don't share their carburetors. One cannot put a Honda carburetor into a
> Ford car. It doesn't work that way. They each develop their own and so it
> is with the population samples for DNA.
>
> So use the ethnicity ESTIMATES as cocktail party conversation this holiday
> season while you toast with a nice glass of vinho!
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 26, 2019 at 1:47 PM E. Sharp  wrote:
>
>> The difference of DNA tests between FTDNA and Ancestry is impossible to
>> understand.I traced a line very carefully.  One brother used FTDNA, his
>> sister used  Ancestry.  FTDNA results came out very closely to my research
>> to the 1500’s Portuguese, Italian, Croatian and English. Ancestry says
>> mostly FrenchI have found no French thus far in this family Go
>> figure.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Nov 26, 2019, at 11:03 AM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
>>
>> Rob W,
>>
>> There is no way to give you any advise without me looking at your DNA
>> page on FTDNA. I would be a lot of guesses and nothing concrete.
>>
>> Here are the join instructions:
>>
>> Log into the FTDNA page with the kit number and password.
>>
>> Across the top is says: myFTDNA, DNA Tests, ProjectsPoint at
>> Projects. When the drop down menu appears, click "Join a project."
>>
>> If the Azores Islands appears on the top, click the link and scroll down
>> to the JOIN button at the end.
>>
>> If the Azores Islands is not suggested, scroll down to where it says
>> "Search by Surname" and type: azores.
>>
>> When Azores Islands appears, click the link and follow the directions.
>>
>>
>> ==
>>
>> My guess is that "Du Coyte" may be "do Couto."
>>
>> After you join the Azores DNA Project, I can tell you more. Otherwise,
>> it's just some wild guesses.
>> Thanks, Cheri Mello, Family Tree DNA Admin (volunteer), Azores DNA Project
>> Cheri Mello
>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
>> Ribeira das 

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA and Azores

['Lisa' via Azores Genealogy]

The most recent update on AncestryDNA was spot on (finally) including correctly 
identifying my islands:  43% Portuguese—>Azores—>Pico & Sao Jorge.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 26, 2019, at 1:47 PM, E. Sharp  wrote:
> 
> The difference of DNA tests between FTDNA and Ancestry is impossible to 
> understand.I traced a line very carefully.  One brother used FTDNA, his 
> sister used  Ancestry.  FTDNA results came out very closely to my research to 
> the 1500’s Portuguese, Italian, Croatian and English. Ancestry says mostly 
> FrenchI have found no French thus far in this family Go figure.  
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Nov 26, 2019, at 11:03 AM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
>> 
>> Rob W,
>> 
>> There is no way to give you any advise without me looking at your DNA page 
>> on FTDNA. I would be a lot of guesses and nothing concrete.
>> 
>> Here are the join instructions:  
>> 
>> Log into the FTDNA page with the kit number and password.
>> 
>> Across the top is says: myFTDNA, DNA Tests, ProjectsPoint at Projects. 
>> When the drop down menu appears, click "Join a project."
>> 
>> If the Azores Islands appears on the top, click the link and scroll down to 
>> the JOIN button at the end.
>> 
>> If the Azores Islands is not suggested, scroll down to where it says "Search 
>> by Surname" and type: azores.
>> 
>> When Azores Islands appears, click the link and follow the directions. 
>> 
>> ==
>> 
>> My guess is that "Du Coyte" may be "do Couto."
>> 
>> After you join the Azores DNA Project, I can tell you more. Otherwise, it's 
>> just some wild guesses.   
>> 
>> Thanks, Cheri Mello, Family Tree DNA Admin (volunteer), Azores DNA Project
>> Cheri Mello
>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
>> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>> 
>> 
>>> On Tue, Nov 26, 2019 at 10:57 AM Rob Whaite  wrote:
>>> Hi
>>> 
>>> One of my 2nd Great Grandfather's came to South Australia in 1848.
>>> Unfortunately most shipping lists of the time have"not survived"  to use 
>>> the official term.There are some Newspaper reports but they are notoriously 
>>> unreliable and misspellings abound.
>>> He was born about 1808 and went by the name of Joseph Josephs which 
>>> unfortunately was not his real name. His real name was supposed to be Du 
>>> Coyte or something similar 
>>> When one of his daughter's died the obituary said that her father fought in 
>>> the Crimean war which is impossible of course because he was already in 
>>> Australia before that war began.
>>> He may have fought in the Portuguese civil war as he would have been old 
>>> enough.
>>> 
>>> He probably came to Australia via England. Very hard to find a name when 
>>> you don't know what name to look for? He was however Portuguese and spoke 
>>> very poor English.
>>> 
>>> I have had my DNA tested with Ancestry and uploaded my info To "My 
>>> Heritage" FTDNA,Living DNA and Gedmatch.
>>> Ancestry does not recognize my Portuguese ancestry although it did 
>>> originally, however "My Heritage" does!!
>>> 
>>> I have been checking my Portugal matches on Ancestry and over 90% of them 
>>> have an ancestor from the Azores within 3-4 generations.  I don't know how 
>>> common that is in the overall Portuguese population??
>>> I do know that Joseph was suppose to have come from an island and had a 
>>> brother that went to South America,Brazil??
>>> 
>>> I know this is a bit long winded but do you think it is reasonable to 
>>> assume that Joseph came from the Azores? At least at this stage?
>>> 
>>> I'm just looking for an opinion and as I have explained I have next to 
>>> nothing to go on!!!
>>> 
>>> Rob
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -- 
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>>> "Azores Genealogy" group.
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>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/azores/97bc0e6e-c8ee-42dd-b3c8-7efdccd8f167%40googlegroups.com.
>> 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA and Azores

[Cheri Mello]

There's DNA tests and then there are components to the DNA tests. The DNA
tests aren't too hard to differentiate:

23 and Me: Autosomal only.
AncestryDNA: Autosomal only.
Family Tree DNA (FTDNA): Y-DNA, mtDNA, and Autosomal DNA.
Living DNA: Autosomal only.
My Heritage: Autosomal only.

All companies offer autosomal. Only FTDNA offers Y-DNA and mtDNA (out of
the major DNA companies for genealogy, that is).

Y-DNA traces a man's strict paternal line (his father's father's father's
father line) back in time. Only this one line. To get into a genealogy time
frame, one needs to purchase 37, 67, or 111 markers. There's also Big Y-700
which can place you on the tree of mankind. It's more anthropological in
nature. It is beyond the paper trail. They hope is to connect beyond the
paper trail and meet where surnames left off. I've seen lots of talk with
new branches discovered for the tree of mankind. I haven't seen a genealogy
success story yet with Big Y.

mtDNA traces anyone's strict maternal line (their mother's mother's
mother's mother line) back in time. Only this one line. To get into a
genealogy time frame, one needs to purchase the Full Mitochondrial Sequence
test. Once the database reaches critical mass, about half of the matches
may be in a genealogical time frame. It is best used in conjunction with
another researcher in trying to prove a line. It's a little harder to use
on its own. It can be played off of the autosomal (Family Finder) in some
cases.

Autosomal DNA (FTDNA calls this its Family Finder test). This test covers
the DNA of ALL ancestral lines back about 200 years before the birth of the
testee. So if one was born in 1950, for example, that person has DNA in
them back to 1750. You can get matches across all lines with this test. If
I'm not mistaken, only 23 and Me, FTDNA, and My Heritage have the X
matching component. All companies do have an ethnicity ESTIMATE as one
component to their autosomal test. They run your DNA against their
population samples - all of which are woefully inadequate. They've only
begun to touch the surface of this part of the DNA. And no, the companies
aren't going to share their population samples. Major car manufactures
don't share their carburetors. One cannot put a Honda carburetor into a
Ford car. It doesn't work that way. They each develop their own and so it
is with the population samples for DNA.

So use the ethnicity ESTIMATES as cocktail party conversation this holiday
season while you toast with a nice glass of vinho!

Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada


On Tue, Nov 26, 2019 at 1:47 PM E. Sharp  wrote:

> The difference of DNA tests between FTDNA and Ancestry is impossible to
> understand.I traced a line very carefully.  One brother used FTDNA, his
> sister used  Ancestry.  FTDNA results came out very closely to my research
> to the 1500’s Portuguese, Italian, Croatian and English. Ancestry says
> mostly FrenchI have found no French thus far in this family Go
> figure.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Nov 26, 2019, at 11:03 AM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
>
> Rob W,
>
> There is no way to give you any advise without me looking at your DNA page
> on FTDNA. I would be a lot of guesses and nothing concrete.
>
> Here are the join instructions:
>
> Log into the FTDNA page with the kit number and password.
>
> Across the top is says: myFTDNA, DNA Tests, ProjectsPoint at Projects.
> When the drop down menu appears, click "Join a project."
>
> If the Azores Islands appears on the top, click the link and scroll down
> to the JOIN button at the end.
>
> If the Azores Islands is not suggested, scroll down to where it says
> "Search by Surname" and type: azores.
>
> When Azores Islands appears, click the link and follow the directions.
>
>
> ==
>
> My guess is that "Du Coyte" may be "do Couto."
>
> After you join the Azores DNA Project, I can tell you more. Otherwise,
> it's just some wild guesses.
> Thanks, Cheri Mello, Family Tree DNA Admin (volunteer), Azores DNA Project
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 26, 2019 at 10:57 AM Rob Whaite  wrote:
>
>> Hi
>>
>> One of my 2nd Great Grandfather's came to South Australia in 1848.
>> Unfortunately most shipping lists of the time have"not survived"  to use
>> the official term.There are some Newspaper reports but they are notoriously
>> unreliable and misspellings abound.
>> He was born about 1808 and went by the name of Joseph Josephs which
>> unfortunately was not his real name. His real name was supposed to be Du
>> Coyte or something similar
>> When one of his daughter's died the obituary said that her father fought
>> in the Crimean war which is impossible of course because he was already in
>> Australia before that war began.
>> He may have fought in the Portuguese 

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA and Azores

[E. Sharp]

The difference of DNA tests between FTDNA and Ancestry is impossible to 
understand.I traced a line very carefully.  One brother used FTDNA, his 
sister used  Ancestry.  FTDNA results came out very closely to my research to 
the 1500’s Portuguese, Italian, Croatian and English. Ancestry says mostly 
FrenchI have found no French thus far in this family Go figure.  

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 26, 2019, at 11:03 AM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
> 
> Rob W,
> 
> There is no way to give you any advise without me looking at your DNA page on 
> FTDNA. I would be a lot of guesses and nothing concrete.
> 
> Here are the join instructions:  
> 
> Log into the FTDNA page with the kit number and password.
> 
> Across the top is says: myFTDNA, DNA Tests, ProjectsPoint at Projects. 
> When the drop down menu appears, click "Join a project."
> 
> If the Azores Islands appears on the top, click the link and scroll down to 
> the JOIN button at the end.
> 
> If the Azores Islands is not suggested, scroll down to where it says "Search 
> by Surname" and type: azores.
> 
> When Azores Islands appears, click the link and follow the directions. 
> 
> ==
> 
> My guess is that "Du Coyte" may be "do Couto."
> 
> After you join the Azores DNA Project, I can tell you more. Otherwise, it's 
> just some wild guesses.   
> 
> Thanks, Cheri Mello, Family Tree DNA Admin (volunteer), Azores DNA Project
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
> 
> 
>> On Tue, Nov 26, 2019 at 10:57 AM Rob Whaite  wrote:
>> Hi
>> 
>> One of my 2nd Great Grandfather's came to South Australia in 1848.
>> Unfortunately most shipping lists of the time have"not survived"  to use the 
>> official term.There are some Newspaper reports but they are notoriously 
>> unreliable and misspellings abound.
>> He was born about 1808 and went by the name of Joseph Josephs which 
>> unfortunately was not his real name. His real name was supposed to be Du 
>> Coyte or something similar 
>> When one of his daughter's died the obituary said that her father fought in 
>> the Crimean war which is impossible of course because he was already in 
>> Australia before that war began.
>> He may have fought in the Portuguese civil war as he would have been old 
>> enough.
>> 
>> He probably came to Australia via England. Very hard to find a name when you 
>> don't know what name to look for? He was however Portuguese and spoke very 
>> poor English.
>> 
>> I have had my DNA tested with Ancestry and uploaded my info To "My Heritage" 
>> FTDNA,Living DNA and Gedmatch.
>> Ancestry does not recognize my Portuguese ancestry although it did 
>> originally, however "My Heritage" does!!
>> 
>> I have been checking my Portugal matches on Ancestry and over 90% of them 
>> have an ancestor from the Azores within 3-4 generations.  I don't know how 
>> common that is in the overall Portuguese population??
>> I do know that Joseph was suppose to have come from an island and had a 
>> brother that went to South America,Brazil??
>> 
>> I know this is a bit long winded but do you think it is reasonable to assume 
>> that Joseph came from the Azores? At least at this stage?
>> 
>> I'm just looking for an opinion and as I have explained I have next to 
>> nothing to go on!!!
>> 
>> Rob
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -- 
>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
>> "Azores Genealogy" group.
>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an 
>> email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
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> 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA and Azores

[Cheri Mello]

Rob W,

There is no way to give you any advise without me looking at your DNA page
on FTDNA. I would be a lot of guesses and nothing concrete.

Here are the join instructions:

Log into the FTDNA page with the kit number and password.

Across the top is says: myFTDNA, DNA Tests, ProjectsPoint at Projects.
When the drop down menu appears, click "Join a project."

If the Azores Islands appears on the top, click the link and scroll down to
the JOIN button at the end.

If the Azores Islands is not suggested, scroll down to where it says
"Search by Surname" and type: azores.

When Azores Islands appears, click the link and follow the directions.

==

My guess is that "Du Coyte" may be "do Couto."

After you join the Azores DNA Project, I can tell you more. Otherwise, it's
just some wild guesses.
Thanks, Cheri Mello, Family Tree DNA Admin (volunteer), Azores DNA Project
Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada


On Tue, Nov 26, 2019 at 10:57 AM Rob Whaite  wrote:

> Hi
>
> One of my 2nd Great Grandfather's came to South Australia in 1848.
> Unfortunately most shipping lists of the time have"not survived"  to use
> the official term.There are some Newspaper reports but they are notoriously
> unreliable and misspellings abound.
> He was born about 1808 and went by the name of Joseph Josephs which
> unfortunately was not his real name. His real name was supposed to be Du
> Coyte or something similar
> When one of his daughter's died the obituary said that her father fought
> in the Crimean war which is impossible of course because he was already in
> Australia before that war began.
> He may have fought in the Portuguese civil war as he would have been old
> enough.
>
> He probably came to Australia via England. Very hard to find a name when
> you don't know what name to look for? He was however Portuguese and spoke
> very poor English.
>
> I have had my DNA tested with Ancestry and uploaded my info To "My
> Heritage" FTDNA,Living DNA and Gedmatch.
> Ancestry does not recognize my Portuguese ancestry although it did
> originally, however "My Heritage" does!!
>
> I have been checking my Portugal matches on Ancestry and over 90% of them
> have an ancestor from the Azores within 3-4 generations.  I don't know how
> common that is in the overall Portuguese population??
> I do know that Joseph was suppose to have come from an island and had a
> brother that went to South America,Brazil??
>
> I know this is a bit long winded but do you think it is reasonable to
> assume that Joseph came from the Azores? At least at this stage?
>
> I'm just looking for an opinion and as I have explained I have next to
> nothing to go on!!!
>
> Rob
>
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[AZORES-Genealogy] DNA and Azores

[Rob Whaite]

Hi

One of my 2nd Great Grandfather's came to South Australia in 1848.
Unfortunately most shipping lists of the time have"not survived"  to use 
the official term.There are some Newspaper reports but they are notoriously 
unreliable and misspellings abound.
He was born about 1808 and went by the name of Joseph Josephs which 
unfortunately was not his real name. His real name was supposed to be Du 
Coyte or something similar 
When one of his daughter's died the obituary said that her father fought in 
the Crimean war which is impossible of course because he was already in 
Australia before that war began.
He may have fought in the Portuguese civil war as he would have been old 
enough.

He probably came to Australia via England. Very hard to find a name when 
you don't know what name to look for? He was however Portuguese and spoke 
very poor English.

I have had my DNA tested with Ancestry and uploaded my info To "My 
Heritage" FTDNA,Living DNA and Gedmatch.
Ancestry does not recognize my Portuguese ancestry although it did 
originally, however "My Heritage" does!!

I have been checking my Portugal matches on Ancestry and over 90% of them 
have an ancestor from the Azores within 3-4 generations.  I don't know how 
common that is in the overall Portuguese population??
I do know that Joseph was suppose to have come from an island and had a 
brother that went to South America,Brazil??

I know this is a bit long winded but do you think it is reasonable to 
assume that Joseph came from the Azores? At least at this stage?

I'm just looking for an opinion and as I have explained I have next to 
nothing to go on!!!

Rob




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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA STUDY AZORES

[A Faria]

The study on Flores indicates that Flores was settled by Continental 
Portuguese, Madeirans, and Azoreans from all the islands in the Azores but 
especially Terceira and Gracisosa this is very interesting!  I 
suspect it would be quite a challenge to figure out how I share DNA with my 
matches from Flores. My closest Y-DNA matches are with two men from Flores 
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[AZORES-Genealogy] DNA STUDY AZORES

[A Faria]

Does anyone have access to the full text version of this study?
 
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S053151310501647X
 
Antonio

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA STUDY AZORES

[pico]

Yes, that appears to be the same article - or I should say book with nearly 300 pages - All in Spanish.Doug da Rocha HolmesSacramento, CaliforniaPico  Terceira Genealogist916-550-1618www.dholmes.com


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Antonio,I beleive this is report here. I do not have a translated versionEric EdgarOn Fri, Jan 2, 2015 at 10:04 AM, A Faria antoniof1...@gmail.com wrote:Does anyone have access to the full text version of this study?  http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S053151310501647X  Antonio  --  





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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA STUDY AZORES

[A Faria]

Parts of this attachment are in English starting on page 56. It does 
contain a very interesting exhaustive study of the Island of Flores 
analyzing the genetic structure and an analysis of the surnames on the 
Island from pages 119-163 in English. 

Although it doesn't contain the specific studies I am looking for.

I have a condensed version of the MtDNA in the Azores in English if anyone 
is interested here is the link.

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1046/j.1469-1809.2003.00031.x/full


 

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA STUDY AZORES

[A Faria]

Thanks Eric,
 
I am unable to view the attachment  from the computer I'm using at this 
time.
 
 
 
What about this Y-DNA study for the Azores does anyone have the full text?
 
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15720296
 
Antonio
 

 

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA STUDY AZORES

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Page 62 starts an article in English on MtDNA

Eric

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 For people that research Flores there is an interesting surname list on
 page 155 found in the attachment that Eric posted.

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA STUDY AZORES

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For people that research Flores there is an interesting surname list on 
page 155 found in the attachment that Eric posted.

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