Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Ginetes marriage in records for Mosteiros (Raposo again)?

2014-07-06 Thread IslandRoutes
Thank you all for your help.  John  George, the historical information 
helps because the records themselves can be confusing without the 
historical backdrop.  It does explain why these records would be found in 
Mosteiros.

This one little group of people have thrown me more curves!

On Saturday, July 5, 2014 8:35:28 PM UTC-7, Moreno22 wrote:

 History [edit | edit source code] 

 The temple was erected in fulfillment of a vow made in 1849 by Colonel 
 Nicolau Maria Raposo de Amaral  (1770-1865) and his wife, Teresa Ermelinda 
 Rebelo (1797-1895). The invocation was chosen St. Nicholas, bishop of Myra 
 in Lycia, buried in Bari, Italy, and therefore improperly designated as 
 bishop of Bari .1 

 The chosen site, with 25,000 square meters, had been previously acquired, 
 April 3, 1834, becoming a member of one primogeniture established by deed 
 since September 29, 1821. Design in Gothic Revival style was entrusted to 
 Manuel Lamberto Monteiro, which was also responsible for directing the 
 work, started in 1849 with the support of 60 workers. Was decisive for the 
 choice of location of the temple a spring of water nearby, which made the 
 temple stay relatively isolated. To provide you with access, we constructed 
 a mall cedar, headed today by two towering pines. 

 By deed of June 25, 1857 the temple was endowed with a sum of 2 $ 600 
 annual reis for their conservation. Subsequently, on May 11, 1859 received 
 a dowry to the oil lamp of the Blessed Sacrament. 

 The church was consecrated amid great festivity on August 16, 1857, with a 
 solemn Mass celebrated by the bishop of the Diocese of Angra, D. Frei 
 Estêvão de Jesus Maria. 

 The founders kept a chaplain, who had built the Passal, allowing the 
 valley population attend Mass, which, until then, was only possible in the 
 neighboring parishes. At the time, the place of the Sete Cidades belonged 
 to the parishes and Ginetes and Mosteiros, separated by the bed of the 
 Ribeira da Praia, which came to be called, henceforth, Rua da Igreja. 

 The law of May 19, 1863, which abolished the morgadios in Portugal, made 
 ​​this temple back to the ownership of its founders. 

 In the twentieth century, his heirs, no longer wishing to preserve it, 
 donated it to the people in 1969, which became the headquarters of curacy 
 in the parish office on 23 May of that same year. A little later, in 1971, 
 the Sete Cidades were elevated to parish.


 On Thu, Jul 3, 2014 at 9:11 AM, 'John Raposo' via Azores Genealogy 
 azo...@googlegroups.com javascript: wrote:

 Sete Cidades and its church, (S. Nicolau) is part of the Parish of 
 Ginetes, and its church, is a mission (of sorts) of the Ginetes parish 
 church. I do not see a separate set of books for Sete Cidades/S. Nicolau, 
 so perhaps it is still not a separate parish. 
 Várzea was a part of Ginetes. It's church, Jesus Maria e José was a 
 suffragan of the Ginetes parish church and only begins having its own 
 registries of births, marriages and deaths in 1904. 
  

   On Thursday, July 3, 2014 8:00 AM, Margaret Vicente 
 margare...@gmail.com javascript: wrote:
  

 The marriage record reads: nesta igreja de Sao Nicolau sufraganea da 
 Paroquial de Sao Sebastiao do lugar dos Ginetes 
 Translating to in this church of S. Nicolau suffragan/subordinate of S. 
 Sebastiao's Parish of Ginetes'|




 On Wed, Jul 2, 2014 at 11:29 PM, IslandRoutes insearchofth...@gmail.com 
 javascript: wrote:

 Oh gosh!  I am so sorry to everyone that that other link was posted.  I 
 have no idea how I did that.  I'm am red with embarrasment.

 This is the correct link for the marriage record in Mosteiros for Manoel 
 Raposo and Maria Albina. The record seems to say they were married in Sete 
 Cidades and Ginetes, though I know that is not possible.  The record is in 
 the book for marriages in Mosteiros.


 http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-MOSTEIROS-C-1870-1879/SMG-PD-MOSTEIROS-C-1870-1879_item1/P3.html

 Thanks and my sincere apologies to all!

 Mel

 On Wednesday, July 2, 2014 7:36:42 PM UTC-7, Mara wrote:

 Mel, 

 It's all dependent of which church headed which parishes.  But as far as 
 I know Ginetes is separate from Mosteiros.  Please try resending the 
 correct link.

 Sete Cidades Chapel was built mid 1800's and until such time it received 
 its own priest Sete Cidades was under Ginetes and Mosteiros. 



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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Ginetes marriage in records for Mosteiros (Raposo again)?

2014-07-05 Thread George Pacheco
History Of Igreja de São Nicolau Sete Cidades

The temple was erected in fulfillment of a vow made in 1849 by Colonel
Nicolau Maria Raposo de Amaral  (1770-1865) and his wife, Teresa Ermelinda
Rebelo (1797-1895). The invocation was chosen St. Nicholas, bishop of Myra
in Lycia, buried in Bari, Italy, and therefore improperly designated as
bishop of Bari .1

The chosen site, with 25,000 square meters, had been previously acquired,
April 3, 1834, becoming a member of one primogeniture established by deed
since September 29, 1821. Design in Gothic Revival style was entrusted to
Manuel Lamberto Monteiro, which was also responsible for directing the
work, started in 1849 with the support of 60 workers. Was decisive for the
choice of location of the temple a spring of water nearby, which made the
temple stay relatively isolated. To provide you with access, we constructed
a mall cedar, headed today by two towering pines.

By deed of June 25, 1857 the temple was endowed with a sum of 2 $ 600
annual reis for their conservation. Subsequently, on May 11, 1859 received
a dowry to the oil lamp of the Blessed Sacrament.

The church was consecrated amid great festivity on August 16, 1857, with a
solemn Mass celebrated by the bishop of the Diocese of Angra, D. Frei
Estêvão de Jesus Maria.

The founders kept a chaplain, who had built the Passal, allowing the valley
population attend Mass, which, until then, was only possible in the
neighboring parishes. At the time, the place of the seven cities belonged
to the parishes and Ginetes and Mosteiros, separated by the bed of the
Ribeira da Praia, which came to be called, henceforth, Rua da Igreja.

The law of May 19, 1863, which abolished the morgadios in Portugal, made
​​this temple back to the ownership of its founders.

In the twentieth century, his heirs, no longer wishing to preserve it,
donated it to the people in 1969, which became the headquarters of curacy
in the parish office on 23 May of that same year. A little later, in 1971,
the Seven Cities were elevated to parish.


On Thu, Jul 3, 2014 at 9:11 AM, 'John Raposo' via Azores Genealogy 
azores@googlegroups.com wrote:

 Sete Cidades and its church, (S. Nicolau) is part of the Parish of
 Ginetes, and its church, is a mission (of sorts) of the Ginetes parish
 church. I do not see a separate set of books for Sete Cidades/S. Nicolau,
 so perhaps it is still not a separate parish.
 Várzea was a part of Ginetes. It's church, Jesus Maria e José was a
 suffragan of the Ginetes parish church and only begins having its own
 registries of births, marriages and deaths in 1904.


   On Thursday, July 3, 2014 8:00 AM, Margaret Vicente 
 margaretvice...@gmail.com wrote:


 The marriage record reads: nesta igreja de Sao Nicolau sufraganea da
 Paroquial de Sao Sebastiao do lugar dos Ginetes
 Translating to in this church of S. Nicolau suffragan/subordinate of S.
 Sebastiao's Parish of Ginetes'|




 On Wed, Jul 2, 2014 at 11:29 PM, IslandRoutes 
 insearchofthehumanspi...@gmail.com wrote:

 Oh gosh!  I am so sorry to everyone that that other link was posted.  I
 have no idea how I did that.  I'm am red with embarrasment.

 This is the correct link for the marriage record in Mosteiros for Manoel
 Raposo and Maria Albina. The record seems to say they were married in Sete
 Cidades and Ginetes, though I know that is not possible.  The record is in
 the book for marriages in Mosteiros.


 http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-MOSTEIROS-C-1870-1879/SMG-PD-MOSTEIROS-C-1870-1879_item1/P3.html

 Thanks and my sincere apologies to all!

 Mel

 On Wednesday, July 2, 2014 7:36:42 PM UTC-7, Mara wrote:

 Mel,

 It's all dependent of which church headed which parishes.  But as far as I
 know Ginetes is separate from Mosteiros.  Please try resending the correct
 link.

 Sete Cidades Chapel was built mid 1800's and until such time it received
 its own priest Sete Cidades was under Ginetes and Mosteiros.



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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Ginetes marriage in records for Mosteiros (Raposo again)?

2014-07-05 Thread George Pacheco
History [edit | edit source code]

The temple was erected in fulfillment of a vow made in 1849 by Colonel
Nicolau Maria Raposo de Amaral  (1770-1865) and his wife, Teresa Ermelinda
Rebelo (1797-1895). The invocation was chosen St. Nicholas, bishop of Myra
in Lycia, buried in Bari, Italy, and therefore improperly designated as
bishop of Bari .1

The chosen site, with 25,000 square meters, had been previously acquired,
April 3, 1834, becoming a member of one primogeniture established by deed
since September 29, 1821. Design in Gothic Revival style was entrusted to
Manuel Lamberto Monteiro, which was also responsible for directing the
work, started in 1849 with the support of 60 workers. Was decisive for the
choice of location of the temple a spring of water nearby, which made the
temple stay relatively isolated. To provide you with access, we constructed
a mall cedar, headed today by two towering pines.

By deed of June 25, 1857 the temple was endowed with a sum of 2 $ 600
annual reis for their conservation. Subsequently, on May 11, 1859 received
a dowry to the oil lamp of the Blessed Sacrament.

The church was consecrated amid great festivity on August 16, 1857, with a
solemn Mass celebrated by the bishop of the Diocese of Angra, D. Frei
Estêvão de Jesus Maria.

The founders kept a chaplain, who had built the Passal, allowing the valley
population attend Mass, which, until then, was only possible in the
neighboring parishes. At the time, the place of the Sete Cidades belonged
to the parishes and Ginetes and Mosteiros, separated by the bed of the
Ribeira da Praia, which came to be called, henceforth, Rua da Igreja.

The law of May 19, 1863, which abolished the morgadios in Portugal, made
​​this temple back to the ownership of its founders.

In the twentieth century, his heirs, no longer wishing to preserve it,
donated it to the people in 1969, which became the headquarters of curacy
in the parish office on 23 May of that same year. A little later, in 1971,
the Sete Cidades were elevated to parish.


On Thu, Jul 3, 2014 at 9:11 AM, 'John Raposo' via Azores Genealogy 
azores@googlegroups.com wrote:

 Sete Cidades and its church, (S. Nicolau) is part of the Parish of
 Ginetes, and its church, is a mission (of sorts) of the Ginetes parish
 church. I do not see a separate set of books for Sete Cidades/S. Nicolau,
 so perhaps it is still not a separate parish.
 Várzea was a part of Ginetes. It's church, Jesus Maria e José was a
 suffragan of the Ginetes parish church and only begins having its own
 registries of births, marriages and deaths in 1904.


   On Thursday, July 3, 2014 8:00 AM, Margaret Vicente 
 margaretvice...@gmail.com wrote:


 The marriage record reads: nesta igreja de Sao Nicolau sufraganea da
 Paroquial de Sao Sebastiao do lugar dos Ginetes
 Translating to in this church of S. Nicolau suffragan/subordinate of S.
 Sebastiao's Parish of Ginetes'|




 On Wed, Jul 2, 2014 at 11:29 PM, IslandRoutes 
 insearchofthehumanspi...@gmail.com wrote:

 Oh gosh!  I am so sorry to everyone that that other link was posted.  I
 have no idea how I did that.  I'm am red with embarrasment.

 This is the correct link for the marriage record in Mosteiros for Manoel
 Raposo and Maria Albina. The record seems to say they were married in Sete
 Cidades and Ginetes, though I know that is not possible.  The record is in
 the book for marriages in Mosteiros.


 http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-MOSTEIROS-C-1870-1879/SMG-PD-MOSTEIROS-C-1870-1879_item1/P3.html

 Thanks and my sincere apologies to all!

 Mel

 On Wednesday, July 2, 2014 7:36:42 PM UTC-7, Mara wrote:

 Mel,

 It's all dependent of which church headed which parishes.  But as far as I
 know Ginetes is separate from Mosteiros.  Please try resending the correct
 link.

 Sete Cidades Chapel was built mid 1800's and until such time it received
 its own priest Sete Cidades was under Ginetes and Mosteiros.



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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Ginetes marriage in records for Mosteiros (Raposo again)?

2014-07-03 Thread Margaret Vicente
The marriage record reads: nesta igreja de Sao Nicolau sufraganea da
Paroquial de Sao Sebastiao do lugar dos Ginetes
Translating to in this church of S. Nicolau suffragan/subordinate of S.
Sebastiao's Parish of Ginetes'|




On Wed, Jul 2, 2014 at 11:29 PM, IslandRoutes 
insearchofthehumanspi...@gmail.com wrote:

 Oh gosh!  I am so sorry to everyone that that other link was posted.  I
 have no idea how I did that.  I'm am red with embarrasment.

 This is the correct link for the marriage record in Mosteiros for Manoel
 Raposo and Maria Albina. The record seems to say they were married in Sete
 Cidades and Ginetes, though I know that is not possible.  The record is in
 the book for marriages in Mosteiros.


 http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-MOSTEIROS-C-1870-1879/SMG-PD-MOSTEIROS-C-1870-1879_item1/P3.html

 Thanks and my sincere apologies to all!

 Mel

 On Wednesday, July 2, 2014 7:36:42 PM UTC-7, Mara wrote:

 Mel,

 It's all dependent of which church headed which parishes.  But as far as
 I know Ginetes is separate from Mosteiros.  Please try resending the
 correct link.

 Sete Cidades Chapel was built mid 1800's and until such time it received
 its own priest Sete Cidades was under Ginetes and Mosteiros.



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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Ginetes marriage in records for Mosteiros (Raposo again)?

2014-07-03 Thread 'John Raposo' via Azores Genealogy
Sete Cidades and its church, (S. Nicolau) is part of the Parish of Ginetes, and 
its church, is a mission (of sorts) of the Ginetes parish church. I do not see 
a separate set of books for Sete Cidades/S. Nicolau, so perhaps it is still not 
a separate parish. 

Várzea was a part of Ginetes. It's church, Jesus Maria e José was a suffragan 
of the Ginetes parish church and only begins having its own registries of 
births, marriages and deaths in 1904. 



On Thursday, July 3, 2014 8:00 AM, Margaret Vicente margaretvice...@gmail.com 
wrote:
 


The marriage record reads: nesta igreja de Sao Nicolau sufraganea da Paroquial 
de Sao Sebastiao do lugar dos Ginetes 
Translating to in this church of S. Nicolau suffragan/subordinate of S. 
Sebastiao's Parish of Ginetes'|





On Wed, Jul 2, 2014 at 11:29 PM, IslandRoutes 
insearchofthehumanspi...@gmail.com wrote:

Oh gosh!  I am so sorry to everyone that that other link was posted.  I have no 
idea how I did that.  I'm am red with embarrasment.

This is the correct link for the marriage record in Mosteiros for Manoel 
Raposo and Maria Albina. The record seems to say they were married in Sete 
Cidades and Ginetes, though I know that is not possible.  The record is in the 
book for marriages in Mosteiros.

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-MOSTEIROS-C-1870-1879/SMG-PD-MOSTEIROS-C-1870-1879_item1/P3.html

Thanks and my sincere apologies to all!

Mel

On Wednesday, July 2, 2014 7:36:42 PM UTC-7, Mara wrote:
Mel, 


It's all dependent of which church headed which parishes.  But as far as I 
know Ginetes is separate from Mosteiros.  Please try resending the correct 
link.


Sete Cidades Chapel was built mid 1800's and until such time it received its 
own priest Sete Cidades was under Ginetes and Mosteiros. 



 
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Ginetes marriage in records for Mosteiros (Raposo again)?

2014-07-02 Thread IslandRoutes
Thanks to Margaret's help on a baptismal, I went back to the marriage 
record.  I knew there was something odd about this record.  Maybe someone 
can explain this to me.  These are the church records for Mosteiros. The 
one I am looking at is on the right hand page, Manoel Raposo and Maria 
Albina.

It appears that they were, in fact, married in Ginetes, if I am reading 
this correctly:
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2014/07/hobby-lobby-is-already-creating-new-religious-demands-on-obama/373853/

Any idea why a Ginetes marriage would be in the book at Mosteiros?  The 
previous record is for Mosteiros.  I don't recall seeing marriages for 
other churches when I was working in Achada.

Now I feel almost lucky that I found this.  LOL  Between the Pai Incognito 
and the two brothers not leaving obituaries in Kauai, I think this family 
has enough questions.

Thanks again for more help,
Mel

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Ginetes marriage in records for Mosteiros (Raposo again)?

2014-07-02 Thread Pam Santos
That link goes to a hobby lobby


On Wed, Jul 2, 2014 at 6:23 PM, IslandRoutes 
insearchofthehumanspi...@gmail.com wrote:

 Thanks to Margaret's help on a baptismal, I went back to the marriage
 record.  I knew there was something odd about this record.  Maybe someone
 can explain this to me.  These are the church records for Mosteiros. The
 one I am looking at is on the right hand page, Manoel Raposo and Maria
 Albina.

 It appears that they were, in fact, married in Ginetes, if I am reading
 this correctly:

 http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2014/07/hobby-lobby-is-already-creating-new-religious-demands-on-obama/373853/

 Any idea why a Ginetes marriage would be in the book at Mosteiros?  The
 previous record is for Mosteiros.  I don't recall seeing marriages for
 other churches when I was working in Achada.

 Now I feel almost lucky that I found this.  LOL  Between the Pai Incognito
 and the two brothers not leaving obituaries in Kauai, I think this family
 has enough questions.

 Thanks again for more help,
 Mel

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Ginetes marriage in records for Mosteiros (Raposo again)?

2014-07-02 Thread Margaret Vicente
Mel,

It's all dependent of which church headed which parishes.  But as far as I
know Ginetes is separate from Mosteiros.  Please try resending the correct
link.

Sete Cidades Chapel was built mid 1800's and until such time it received
its own priest Sete Cidades was under Ginetes and Mosteiros.


On Wed, Jul 2, 2014 at 9:58 PM, Pam Santos pamsanto...@gmail.com wrote:

 That link goes to a hobby lobby


 On Wed, Jul 2, 2014 at 6:23 PM, IslandRoutes 
 insearchofthehumanspi...@gmail.com wrote:

 Thanks to Margaret's help on a baptismal, I went back to the marriage
 record.  I knew there was something odd about this record.  Maybe someone
 can explain this to me.  These are the church records for Mosteiros. The
 one I am looking at is on the right hand page, Manoel Raposo and Maria
 Albina.

 It appears that they were, in fact, married in Ginetes, if I am reading
 this correctly:

 http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2014/07/hobby-lobby-is-already-creating-new-religious-demands-on-obama/373853/

 Any idea why a Ginetes marriage would be in the book at Mosteiros?  The
 previous record is for Mosteiros.  I don't recall seeing marriages for
 other churches when I was working in Achada.

 Now I feel almost lucky that I found this.  LOL  Between the Pai
 Incognito and the two brothers not leaving obituaries in Kauai, I think
 this family has enough questions.

 Thanks again for more help,
 Mel

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Ginetes marriage in records for Mosteiros (Raposo again)?

2014-07-02 Thread IslandRoutes
Oh gosh!  I am so sorry to everyone that that other link was posted.  I 
have no idea how I did that.  I'm am red with embarrasment.

This is the correct link for the marriage record in Mosteiros for Manoel 
Raposo and Maria Albina. The record seems to say they were married in Sete 
Cidades and Ginetes, though I know that is not possible.  The record is in 
the book for marriages in Mosteiros.

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-MOSTEIROS-C-1870-1879/SMG-PD-MOSTEIROS-C-1870-1879_item1/P3.html

Thanks and my sincere apologies to all!

Mel
On Wednesday, July 2, 2014 7:36:42 PM UTC-7, Mara wrote:

 Mel, 

 It's all dependent of which church headed which parishes.  But as far as I 
 know Ginetes is separate from Mosteiros.  Please try resending the correct 
 link.

 Sete Cidades Chapel was built mid 1800's and until such time it received 
 its own priest Sete Cidades was under Ginetes and Mosteiros. 



  

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