Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Guidance on finding records for my great-grandfather born in Santa Luzia, Pico

2018-08-17 Thread 'Susan Murphy' via Azores Genealogy
Nice job Cheri! 

> On Aug 17, 2018, at 7:42 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
> 
> Hi Lori R,
> 
> Many of us could not "read" the Portuguese handwritten records, but learned 
> how. There are some guides to help you on the Azores GenWeb. If you don't 
> want to do it yourself, there's also some researchers for hire on the Azores 
> GenWeb. More information on that below.
> 
> Your Manuel's baptism is #11 on the left:
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-SR-SANTALUZIA-B-1860-1876/PIC-SR-SANTALUZIA-B-1860-1876_item1/P187.html
> 
> Look for the words "filho legitimo" about a third of the way down. That 
> literally means "son legitimate." After that are the parents' names. You 
> think Manuel's dad is "Sesje Rosa" and you think mom is "Delsenia Joses."
> 
> 
> The dad is Sergio de Roza (old spelling - note his S almost looks like a 
> weird T; his R looks like a D; his "z" looks like v or z). Mom is Roza 
> Delfina do Coração de Jezus (all old spellings). Use modern spellings (and 
> make a note that it was recorded as "XXX"). So the parents are Sergio da 
> Rosa and Rosa Delfina do Coração de Jesus. Mom has no last name. It's the way 
> it was. So your notes are pretty close.
> 
> If you want to learn to "read" yourself, there's a guide here. It explains 
> the 3 time periods (you are in the 3rd one) and the key words, what to 
> expect, and a Portuguese record with a fully translated English record: 
> https://goo.gl/4Tzc2i 
> 
> Basically, beginners only see names or partial names. They post what they see 
> to the list and ask for help. With a little practice, they start to pick up 
> more and more as time goes on.
> 
> There will be a Portuguese Genealogy Conference and Research Trip planned in 
> Salt Lake City from Tuesday, June 25 - Friday, June 28th, 2019. In addition 
> to classes with lectures, we also have lab time and one-on-one time, where 
> you can sit down with one of us and get personal assistance "reading" these 
> records. More information to come and will be posted on this list.
> 
> If you don't want to do it yourself, but want to hire someone, a list of 
> researchers can be found on the Azores GenWeb here: https://goo.gl/nDfVUx  
> Good luck,
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
> 
> 
>> On Fri, Aug 17, 2018 at 7:19 PM Lori Rose  wrote:
>> I have the following information.  American name is Manuel Rose.  Immigrated 
>> in Dec 1892 on the SS Vega; born on 9 September 1874
>> Santa Luzia do Pico (this information was listed in his Alien registration 
>> file).  I found a passenger list from Dec 1892 that lists a Manoel de Rosa 
>> but have been unable to find actual immigration records.  I was always told 
>> the name was changed from Rosa to Rose.  After 1920, he shows up exclusively 
>> as Manuel Rose in the census records.  However, I finally found the 1910 
>> census records that list him as Manuel Rose Silveria.  In that record his 
>> wife is listed as Lucinda D Rose Silveria (her maiden name appears to be 
>> Rodriques).  She was born 22 April 1886 (same island). 
>> 
>> I also have a very old handwritten family tree that lists Manuel's parents 
>> as Sesje Rosa and Delsenia Josesa and Lucinda's parents as John Rodrigues 
>> and Louisa Rosa, but not sure how accurate that is.  
>> 
>> I did find the handwritten baptism lists online but can not read the 
>> handwriting. 
>> 
>> Any advice or suggestions are appreciated.  
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Guidance on finding records for my great-grandfather born in Santa Luzia, Pico

2018-08-17 Thread Lori Rose
I have the following information.  American name is Manuel Rose.  
Immigrated in Dec 1892 on the SS Vega; born on 9 September 1874
Santa Luzia do Pico (this information was listed in his Alien registration 
file).  I found a passenger list from Dec 1892 that lists a Manoel de Rosa 
but have been unable to find actual immigration records.  I was always told 
the name was changed from Rosa to Rose.  After 1920, he shows up 
exclusively as Manuel Rose in the census records.  However, I finally found 
the 1910 census records that list him as Manuel Rose Silveria.  In that 
record his wife is listed as Lucinda D Rose Silveria (her maiden name 
appears to be Rodriques).  She was born 22 April 1886 (same island). 

I also have a very old handwritten family tree that lists Manuel's parents 
as Sesje Rosa and Delsenia Josesa and Lucinda's parents as John Rodrigues 
and Louisa Rosa, but not sure how accurate that is.  

I did find the handwritten baptism lists online but can not read the 
handwriting. 

Any advice or suggestions are appreciated.  

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