Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Inventories (Inventarios) and wills

[Hana Johnson]

Aloha Cheri,

Thank you for posting this information.  I had come across it before but
could not remember where or how to get back there.

I entered "Hansa" in the search engine and got a list of all the passengers
who came to Hawaii on that steam ship. There was my
great-great-grandmother's full name Francisca Jacintha Candida de Jesus
from Ginetes; which is barely legible on the hand written passport records.
My mother remembers her full name but some of my cousins insist that she is
wrong and doubt the only document that I had found. Now there are two!

The big bonus is that it is easy to read and now I might be able to
discover the other family members who came with them and went to Maui
instead of Kauai where my Portuguese ancestors settled.

Mahalo nui loa!
Hana

On Sun, Jul 22, 2018 at 1:19 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:

> While I was in Ponta Delgada on Sao Miguel island, I made extensive use of
> the inventories or wills. I was able to find them on the Archives Catalog
> at http://www.arquivos.azores.gov.pt/  I don't know how to find them for
> other islands. I don't think the other archives entered them or perhaps the
> inventories or wills are not housed at the other archives.
>
> The inventories and wills varied a lot and from time period to time
> period. The more recent ones were better, as they were more organized and
> followed a format.
>
> They started with a cover page, naming the deceased and who was in charge
> of their inventory. Some had maybe 7 pieces of paper (so potentially 14
> pages of information). Some had 144 pieces of paper (288 pages of
> information). The more "recent" ones (1920s forward) had a copy of the
> death certificate with the cause of death listed. Or the best that medicine
> knew for that time period. They named children, grandchildren,
> great-grandchildren if they had any. If you can read the births and
> marriages, then you already know the words of "filhos" and "netos."
> "Bisnetos" are the great-grandchildren. Some listed relatives on the
> paternal side "pelo lado paterno" or the maternal side "pelo lada materna,"
> Anytime I saw the word "familia" I scanned the page. Some listed what I
> believe were people they owed. Some listed what they owned, as in the
> furnishings and whatnot. My 2 great-grandmother's had a declaration from
> her husband. I don't know what it says yet. I'm waiting on my cousin to
> tell me. And there was a lot of legal stuff in there too.
>
> The earliest will/inventory that I looked at was from 1807. Some exist
> from the 1700s.
>
> Not every ancestor will have an inventory or will. You didn't need to own
> property to have an will or inventory. As I said, it appeared that one guy
> owed a lot of people a lot of money.
>
> They allowed me to take pictures with my camera (found out I need a
> different pair of reading glasses to take pictures). They said that the
> inventories are NEVER to be posted anywhere on the Internet. That means
> Ancestry.com, Geni.com, My Heritage, FamilySearch.org, your own personal
> page, etc. They consider the inventories private Yes, I understand that if
> the person died in 1807, no one alive today was mentioned in that will. But
> they have their rules. I said it was going to be left on my computer so I
> could consult it. I would extract only genealogy information from the
> documents, but would never post an image of any them. So for those
> utilizing the inventories/wills, do NOT post them ANYWHERE on the Internet
> or you mess it up for future genealogists.
>
> Hopefully the other archives will get their inventories/wills up on the
> Archives Catalog.
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Inventories (Inventarios) and wills

[Hilda Soares]

Thank you all for this valuable information. I'm going to give this a try
to see if I can get any details on my maternal grandmother. Unfortunately
she was born after the cutoff when all registeries were moved from the
churches to the Government. My mother's memory isn't as good as I would
like it so she can't provide me with any dates of birth or even age of
death. I am hoping (fingers crossed) that this inventory will include her
death obit as well as cause of death as we suspect it was breast cancer.

Thanks again for your help.

Hilda

On Wed, Jul 25, 2018 at 5:30 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:

> Elaine S,
>
> You'd have to find out if an inventory exists. If it does, it could name
> the children, their spouses, where they lived, and if property was owned,
> someone had to dispose of it. Later ones include a copy of the Civil
> Registry death and that lists the cause of death.  Cheri
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
> On Wed, Jul 25, 2018 at 11:18 AM, E. Sharp  wrote:
>
>> What if the obit says he left nothing only wife (who was already
>> deceased) and number of children. Will the inventory tell me anymore??
>>
>> Thanks. "E".
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Jul 25, 2018, at 10:44 AM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
>>
>> Hilda,
>>
>> When I was in Ponta Delgada, I put the inventory of the deceased, the
>> court (they told me to), and the location:
>> 
>>
>> I'd just do a screen shot and include it in your request (the circled
>> parts are what I wrote on my request):
>> 
>>
>> Their email address is: bpar.pdelgada.i...@azores.gov.pt
>>
>>
>> Cheri Mello
>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
>> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Inventories (Inventarios) and wills

[Cheri Mello]

Elaine S,

You'd have to find out if an inventory exists. If it does, it could name
the children, their spouses, where they lived, and if property was owned,
someone had to dispose of it. Later ones include a copy of the Civil
Registry death and that lists the cause of death.  Cheri

Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

On Wed, Jul 25, 2018 at 11:18 AM, E. Sharp  wrote:

> What if the obit says he left nothing only wife (who was already deceased)
> and number of children. Will the inventory tell me anymore??
>
> Thanks. "E".
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jul 25, 2018, at 10:44 AM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
>
> Hilda,
>
> When I was in Ponta Delgada, I put the inventory of the deceased, the
> court (they told me to), and the location:
> 
>
> I'd just do a screen shot and include it in your request (the circled
> parts are what I wrote on my request):
> 
>
> Their email address is: bpar.pdelgada.i...@azores.gov.pt
>
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Inventories (Inventarios) and wills

[Joseph Mendonca]

Hilda, all I did at the time was send them an email explaining the type of
information (of genealogical value) I was seeking from the record.  I then
referenced the record by copying the information from their Archeevo
catalog and pasted it in the email.

Letting them know the type of information I was searching for allowed them
to recommend that only the first 17 pages of the "inventory" would be of
value to me.  Otherwise I might have spent a lot of extra money purchasing
the additional 187 pages with no genealogical info.

I'm not sure if it was the "proper way" as I had no previous instruction on
how to proceed, but here was my initial letter.

*De:* Joseph Mendonca [mailto:ssbn642b...@comcast.net
]
*Enviada:* 18 de março de 2017 16:50
*Para:* DracInfo 
*Assunto:* Inventário de Manuel Amaral Mendonça



Gostaria de algumas informações sobre o registro abaixo. Se possível, os
nomes dos pais, filhos e qualquer outros herdeiros do Sr. Manuel Amaral
Mendonca e sua esposa Sra. Adelaide de Melo Mendonça que possam ser
incluídos neste registro.
Gostaria de cópias desta informação. Por favor, deixe-me saber qual será a
custa para enviar as cópias.



Muito obrigado pela sua ajuda.

Jose E. Mendonça



Inventário de Manuel Amaral Mendonça

Record not reviewed.



Description level

File File



Reference code

PT/BPARPD/JUD/TCPDL/2ªSEC/082/00336



Title type

Formal



Date range

1966-10-03 Date is certain



Dimension and support

1 proc. ( 102 f.)



Producer

Tribunal Judicial da Comarca de Ponta Delgada



Scope and content

Inventariante: Adelaide de Melo Mendonça

Inventariado era morador em São Roque



*Description physical location*

*Mç. 523 - A, n.º 6*

*Dep. 2. 404/5 *



*Original numbering*

*N.º 478*


On Wed, Jul 25, 2018 at 2:18 PM, E. Sharp  wrote:

> What if the obit says he left nothing only wife (who was already deceased)
> and number of children. Will the inventory tell me anymore??
>
> Thanks. "E".
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jul 25, 2018, at 10:44 AM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
>
> Hilda,
>
> When I was in Ponta Delgada, I put the inventory of the deceased, the
> court (they told me to), and the location:
> 
>
> I'd just do a screen shot and include it in your request (the circled
> parts are what I wrote on my request):
> 
>
> Their email address is: bpar.pdelgada.i...@azores.gov.pt
>
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Inventories (Inventarios) and wills

[E. Sharp]

What if the obit says he left nothing only wife (who was already deceased) and 
number of children. Will the inventory tell me anymore??

Thanks. "E". 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 25, 2018, at 10:44 AM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
> 
> Hilda,
> 
> When I was in Ponta Delgada, I put the inventory of the deceased, the court 
> (they told me to), and the location:
> 
> 
> I'd just do a screen shot and include it in your request (the circled parts 
> are what I wrote on my request):
> 
> 
> Their email address is: bpar.pdelgada.i...@azores.gov.pt
> 
> 
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
> 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Inventories (Inventarios) and wills

[Hilda Soares]

Joseph Mendoca,

Can you provide me with a sample letter/wording that I can use to order the
inventory catalogue that I found on this site for my Grandmother and Great
Grandmother? Also, who would I address this request? I am hoping they can
send the images to my email address as well.

Hilda

On Mon, Jul 23, 2018 at 6:28 PM, Joseph Mendonca 
wrote:

> I was able to order an inventory last year belonging to a cousin of mine
> that assisted me in determining our exact relationship.  His inventory was
> 204 pages (back and front) and would have cost me  €132,60 at  €0,65 per
> image.  The archive wrote me and advised that only the first 17 pages were
> of genealogical value and would only cost  €11,05.  In the letter they
> gave a brief description of the contents prior to ordering.  After I sent
> them the money via a bank transfer they sent the images via zip file to my
> email address..
>
> On Mon, Jul 23, 2018 at 5:38 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
>
>> Altino,
>> That link does not have the inventories or wills and it does not contain
>> the images of them. They were very explicit about NOT putting the
>> inventories/wills online. They stated to me that the inventories/wills are
>> for viewing only, as they are very private. Too bad they can't make a cut
>> off date. Someone who died in the mid-1800s and had descendants won't
>> really be invading their privacy, as all the descendants are also deceased.
>> 
>>
>> Cheri Mello
>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
>> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 23, 2018 at 2:31 PM, 'Altino Demelo' via Azores Genealogy <
>> azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Joe, you can research from home here :
>>> http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/ig/registos/Default.aspx
>>>
>>> You can also research on the Tombo website. Maybe someone else can
>>> provide that link.
>>>
>>> Altino
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Jul 23, 2018, at 4:33 PM, Joe Matias  wrote:
>>>
>>> Do you have to be in Ponta Delgada in order to view all the pages of
>>> your search,or is there a way of doing so through the internet at home?
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Jul 22, 2018 at 7:19 PM Cheri Mello  wrote:
>>>
 While I was in Ponta Delgada on Sao Miguel island, I made extensive use
 of the inventories or wills. I was able to find them on the Archives
 Catalog at http://www.arquivos.azores.gov.pt/  I don't know how to
 find them for other islands. I don't think the other archives entered them
 or perhaps the inventories or wills are not housed at the other archives.

 The inventories and wills varied a lot and from time period to time
 period. The more recent ones were better, as they were more organized and
 followed a format.

 They started with a cover page, naming the deceased and who was in
 charge of their inventory. Some had maybe 7 pieces of paper (so potentially
 14 pages of information). Some had 144 pieces of paper (288 pages of
 information). The more "recent" ones (1920s forward) had a copy of the
 death certificate with the cause of death listed. Or the best that medicine
 knew for that time period. They named children, grandchildren,
 great-grandchildren if they had any. If you can read the births and
 marriages, then you already know the words of "filhos" and "netos."
 "Bisnetos" are the great-grandchildren. Some listed relatives on the
 paternal side "pelo lado paterno" or the maternal side "pelo lada materna,"
 Anytime I saw the word "familia" I scanned the page. Some listed what I
 believe were people they owed. Some listed what they owned, as in the
 furnishings and whatnot. My 2 great-grandmother's had a declaration from
 her husband. I don't know what it says yet. I'm waiting on my cousin to
 tell me. And there was a lot of legal stuff in there too.

 The earliest will/inventory that I looked at was from 1807. Some exist
 from the 1700s.

 Not every ancestor will have an inventory or will. You didn't need to
 own property to have an will or inventory. As I said, it appeared that one
 guy owed a lot of people a lot of money.

 They allowed me to take pictures with my camera (found out I need a
 different pair of reading glasses to take pictures). They said that the
 inventories are NEVER to be posted anywhere on the Internet. That means
 Ancestry.com, Geni.com, My Heritage, FamilySearch.org, your own
 personal page, etc. They consider the inventories private Yes, I understand
 that if the person died in 1807, no one alive today was mentioned in that
 will. But they have their rules. I said it was going to be left on my
 computer so I could consult it. I would extract only genealogy information
 from the documents, but would never post an image of any them. So for those
 utilizing the inventories/wills, do NOT post them ANYWHERE on the Internet
>

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Inventories (Inventarios) and wills

[Joseph Mendonca]

Yes Cheri, that inventory I ordered had a wealth of family information. It
had his children and their ages, his wife, his parents and step-mother, his
grandparents, death certificate, birth certificate, addresses, etc.

I have kept all of the email correspondence regarding that order for future
reference.  Being my first time I wasn't sure how to proceed.

It was great to find out that they would scan the documents and email them!

On Tue, Jul 24, 2018 at 1:19 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:

> Good to know that there's some content there. The librarian made it sound
> like a catalog only - like an index. She said if I wanted information, to
> use the CCA. I guess because I was doing genealogy she thought perhaps I
> wasn't interested in other content.  Cheri
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
> On Tue, Jul 24, 2018 at 10:06 AM, Hana Johnson  wrote:
>
>> Thank you for sharing the links. There are also ebooks and journals that
>> are interesting to read in Google Books and Internet Archives. I came
>> across a Volumes 4, 8, and 12 of Arquivos Açorianos in Google Books. They
>> are interesting and help me to understand the place and lives of my
>> ancestors. Even if one doesn’t read Portuguese, with a dictionary and Bing
>> translator one can slowly figure it out. Here is the link to Volume 8 of
>> Arquivos Açorianos:
>>
>> https://books.google.com/books?id=yIkDYAAJ&pg=PA494&dq=
>> arquivos+açorianos&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiW0-22mrjcAhUTNX0KH
>> VsxCmgQ6AEIMjAC#v=onepage&q=arquivos%20açorianos&f=false
>> 
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 24, 2018 at 5:41 AM Joe Matias  wrote:
>>
>>> Thank you!
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jul 23, 2018 at 10:38 PM Cheri Mello 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Joe Mendonca, I did not know that the Ponta Delgada archives would scan
 for you. Good to know.

 Joe Matias, the Archeevo site is the Archives Catalog. Any type of card
 catalog doesn't provide detailed information. Catalogs, by nature, are just
 a type of index. Maybe you missed my post on the Archives Catalog. Here it
 is for your reference: https://groups.google.com/foru
 m/#!topic/azores/NVx8qfbhNZM

 Cheri Mello
 Listowner, Azores-Gen
 Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira
 Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

 On Mon, Jul 23, 2018 at 3:21 PM, Joe Matias 
 wrote:

> Ok,good to know.I have been on the archeevo site but did not get
> detailed info,but still very useful.
>
> On Mon, Jul 23, 2018 at 5:39 PM Cheri Mello 
> wrote:
>
>> Altino,
>> That link does not have the inventories or wills and it does not
>> contain the images of them. They were very explicit about NOT putting the
>> inventories/wills online. They stated to me that the inventories/wills 
>> are
>> for viewing only, as they are very private. Too bad they can't make a cut
>> off date. Someone who died in the mid-1800s and had descendants won't
>> really be invading their privacy, as all the descendants are also 
>> deceased.
>> 
>>
>> Cheri Mello
>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira
>> Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 23, 2018 at 2:31 PM, 'Altino Demelo' via Azores Genealogy
>>  wrote:
>>
>>> Joe, you can research from home here :
>>> http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/ig/registos/Default.aspx
>>>
>>> You can also research on the Tombo website. Maybe someone else can
>>> provide that link.
>>>
>>> Altino
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Jul 23, 2018, at 4:33 PM, Joe Matias 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Do you have to be in Ponta Delgada in order to view all the pages of
>>> your search,or is there a way of doing so through the internet at home?
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Jul 22, 2018 at 7:19 PM Cheri Mello 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 While I was in Ponta Delgada on Sao Miguel island, I made extensive
 use of the inventories or wills. I was able to find them on the 
 Archives
 Catalog at http://www.arquivos.azores.gov.pt/  I don't know how to
 find them for other islands. I don't think the other archives entered 
 them
 or perhaps the inventories or wills are not housed at the other 
 archives.

 The inventories and wills varied a lot and from time period to time
 period. The more recent ones were better, as they were more organized 
 and
 followed a format.

 They started with a cover page, naming the deceased and who was in
 charge of their invent

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Inventories (Inventarios) and wills

[Cheri Mello]

Good to know that there's some content there. The librarian made it sound
like a catalog only - like an index. She said if I wanted information, to
use the CCA. I guess because I was doing genealogy she thought perhaps I
wasn't interested in other content.  Cheri

Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

On Tue, Jul 24, 2018 at 10:06 AM, Hana Johnson  wrote:

> Thank you for sharing the links. There are also ebooks and journals that
> are interesting to read in Google Books and Internet Archives. I came
> across a Volumes 4, 8, and 12 of Arquivos Açorianos in Google Books. They
> are interesting and help me to understand the place and lives of my
> ancestors. Even if one doesn’t read Portuguese, with a dictionary and Bing
> translator one can slowly figure it out. Here is the link to Volume 8 of
> Arquivos Açorianos:
>
> https://books.google.com/books?id=yIkDYAAJ&pg=
> PA494&dq=arquivos+açorianos&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiW0-
> 22mrjcAhUTNX0KHVsxCmgQ6AEIMjAC#v=onepage&q=arquivos%20açorianos&f=false
> 
>
> On Tue, Jul 24, 2018 at 5:41 AM Joe Matias  wrote:
>
>> Thank you!
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 23, 2018 at 10:38 PM Cheri Mello  wrote:
>>
>>> Joe Mendonca, I did not know that the Ponta Delgada archives would scan
>>> for you. Good to know.
>>>
>>> Joe Matias, the Archeevo site is the Archives Catalog. Any type of card
>>> catalog doesn't provide detailed information. Catalogs, by nature, are just
>>> a type of index. Maybe you missed my post on the Archives Catalog. Here it
>>> is for your reference: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/azores/
>>> NVx8qfbhNZM
>>>
>>> Cheri Mello
>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira
>>> Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jul 23, 2018 at 3:21 PM, Joe Matias 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Ok,good to know.I have been on the archeevo site but did not get
 detailed info,but still very useful.

 On Mon, Jul 23, 2018 at 5:39 PM Cheri Mello 
 wrote:

> Altino,
> That link does not have the inventories or wills and it does not
> contain the images of them. They were very explicit about NOT putting the
> inventories/wills online. They stated to me that the inventories/wills are
> for viewing only, as they are very private. Too bad they can't make a cut
> off date. Someone who died in the mid-1800s and had descendants won't
> really be invading their privacy, as all the descendants are also 
> deceased.
> 
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira
> Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
> On Mon, Jul 23, 2018 at 2:31 PM, 'Altino Demelo' via Azores Genealogy
>  wrote:
>
>> Joe, you can research from home here :
>> http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/ig/registos/Default.aspx
>>
>> You can also research on the Tombo website. Maybe someone else can
>> provide that link.
>>
>> Altino
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Jul 23, 2018, at 4:33 PM, Joe Matias 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Do you have to be in Ponta Delgada in order to view all the pages of
>> your search,or is there a way of doing so through the internet at home?
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Jul 22, 2018 at 7:19 PM Cheri Mello 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> While I was in Ponta Delgada on Sao Miguel island, I made extensive
>>> use of the inventories or wills. I was able to find them on the Archives
>>> Catalog at http://www.arquivos.azores.gov.pt/  I don't know how to
>>> find them for other islands. I don't think the other archives entered 
>>> them
>>> or perhaps the inventories or wills are not housed at the other 
>>> archives.
>>>
>>> The inventories and wills varied a lot and from time period to time
>>> period. The more recent ones were better, as they were more organized 
>>> and
>>> followed a format.
>>>
>>> They started with a cover page, naming the deceased and who was in
>>> charge of their inventory. Some had maybe 7 pieces of paper (so 
>>> potentially
>>> 14 pages of information). Some had 144 pieces of paper (288 pages of
>>> information). The more "recent" ones (1920s forward) had a copy of the
>>> death certificate with the cause of death listed. Or the best that 
>>> medicine
>>> knew for that time period. They named children, grandchildren,
>>> great-grandchildren if they had any. If you can read the births and
>>> marriages, then you already know the words of "filhos" and "netos."
>>> "Bisnetos" are the great-grandchildren. Some listed relatives on the
>>> paternal 

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Inventories (Inventarios) and wills

[Hana Johnson]

Thank you for sharing the links. There are also ebooks and journals that
are interesting to read in Google Books and Internet Archives. I came
across a Volumes 4, 8, and 12 of Arquivos Açorianos in Google Books. They
are interesting and help me to understand the place and lives of my
ancestors. Even if one doesn’t read Portuguese, with a dictionary and Bing
translator one can slowly figure it out. Here is the link to Volume 8 of
Arquivos Açorianos:

https://books.google.com/books?id=yIkDYAAJ&pg=PA494&dq=arquivos+açorianos&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiW0-22mrjcAhUTNX0KHVsxCmgQ6AEIMjAC#v=onepage&q=arquivos%20açorianos&f=false


On Tue, Jul 24, 2018 at 5:41 AM Joe Matias  wrote:

> Thank you!
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 23, 2018 at 10:38 PM Cheri Mello  wrote:
>
>> Joe Mendonca, I did not know that the Ponta Delgada archives would scan
>> for you. Good to know.
>>
>> Joe Matias, the Archeevo site is the Archives Catalog. Any type of card
>> catalog doesn't provide detailed information. Catalogs, by nature, are just
>> a type of index. Maybe you missed my post on the Archives Catalog. Here it
>> is for your reference:
>> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/azores/NVx8qfbhNZM
>>
>> Cheri Mello
>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
>> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 23, 2018 at 3:21 PM, Joe Matias 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Ok,good to know.I have been on the archeevo site but did not get
>>> detailed info,but still very useful.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jul 23, 2018 at 5:39 PM Cheri Mello  wrote:
>>>
 Altino,
 That link does not have the inventories or wills and it does not
 contain the images of them. They were very explicit about NOT putting the
 inventories/wills online. They stated to me that the inventories/wills are
 for viewing only, as they are very private. Too bad they can't make a cut
 off date. Someone who died in the mid-1800s and had descendants won't
 really be invading their privacy, as all the descendants are also deceased.
 

 Cheri Mello
 Listowner, Azores-Gen
 Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira
 Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

 On Mon, Jul 23, 2018 at 2:31 PM, 'Altino Demelo' via Azores Genealogy <
 azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Joe, you can research from home here :
> http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/ig/registos/Default.aspx
>
> You can also research on the Tombo website. Maybe someone else can
> provide that link.
>
> Altino
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jul 23, 2018, at 4:33 PM, Joe Matias  wrote:
>
> Do you have to be in Ponta Delgada in order to view all the pages of
> your search,or is there a way of doing so through the internet at home?
>
>
> On Sun, Jul 22, 2018 at 7:19 PM Cheri Mello 
> wrote:
>
>> While I was in Ponta Delgada on Sao Miguel island, I made extensive
>> use of the inventories or wills. I was able to find them on the Archives
>> Catalog at http://www.arquivos.azores.gov.pt/  I don't know how to
>> find them for other islands. I don't think the other archives entered 
>> them
>> or perhaps the inventories or wills are not housed at the other archives.
>>
>> The inventories and wills varied a lot and from time period to time
>> period. The more recent ones were better, as they were more organized and
>> followed a format.
>>
>> They started with a cover page, naming the deceased and who was in
>> charge of their inventory. Some had maybe 7 pieces of paper (so 
>> potentially
>> 14 pages of information). Some had 144 pieces of paper (288 pages of
>> information). The more "recent" ones (1920s forward) had a copy of the
>> death certificate with the cause of death listed. Or the best that 
>> medicine
>> knew for that time period. They named children, grandchildren,
>> great-grandchildren if they had any. If you can read the births and
>> marriages, then you already know the words of "filhos" and "netos."
>> "Bisnetos" are the great-grandchildren. Some listed relatives on the
>> paternal side "pelo lado paterno" or the maternal side "pelo lada 
>> materna,"
>> Anytime I saw the word "familia" I scanned the page. Some listed what I
>> believe were people they owed. Some listed what they owned, as in the
>> furnishings and whatnot. My 2 great-grandmother's had a declaration from
>> her husband. I don't know what it says yet. I'm waiting on my cousin to
>> tell me. And there was a lot of legal stuff in there too.
>>
>> The earliest will/inventory that I looked at was from 1807. Some
>> exist from the 1700s.
>>
>> Not ever

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Inventories (Inventarios) and wills

[Joe Matias]

Thank you!


On Mon, Jul 23, 2018 at 10:38 PM Cheri Mello  wrote:

> Joe Mendonca, I did not know that the Ponta Delgada archives would scan
> for you. Good to know.
>
> Joe Matias, the Archeevo site is the Archives Catalog. Any type of card
> catalog doesn't provide detailed information. Catalogs, by nature, are just
> a type of index. Maybe you missed my post on the Archives Catalog. Here it
> is for your reference:
> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/azores/NVx8qfbhNZM
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
> On Mon, Jul 23, 2018 at 3:21 PM, Joe Matias  wrote:
>
>> Ok,good to know.I have been on the archeevo site but did not get detailed
>> info,but still very useful.
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 23, 2018 at 5:39 PM Cheri Mello  wrote:
>>
>>> Altino,
>>> That link does not have the inventories or wills and it does not contain
>>> the images of them. They were very explicit about NOT putting the
>>> inventories/wills online. They stated to me that the inventories/wills are
>>> for viewing only, as they are very private. Too bad they can't make a cut
>>> off date. Someone who died in the mid-1800s and had descendants won't
>>> really be invading their privacy, as all the descendants are also deceased.
>>> 
>>>
>>> Cheri Mello
>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira
>>> Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jul 23, 2018 at 2:31 PM, 'Altino Demelo' via Azores Genealogy <
>>> azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>>
 Joe, you can research from home here :
 http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/ig/registos/Default.aspx

 You can also research on the Tombo website. Maybe someone else can
 provide that link.

 Altino

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Jul 23, 2018, at 4:33 PM, Joe Matias  wrote:

 Do you have to be in Ponta Delgada in order to view all the pages of
 your search,or is there a way of doing so through the internet at home?


 On Sun, Jul 22, 2018 at 7:19 PM Cheri Mello 
 wrote:

> While I was in Ponta Delgada on Sao Miguel island, I made extensive
> use of the inventories or wills. I was able to find them on the Archives
> Catalog at http://www.arquivos.azores.gov.pt/  I don't know how to
> find them for other islands. I don't think the other archives entered them
> or perhaps the inventories or wills are not housed at the other archives.
>
> The inventories and wills varied a lot and from time period to time
> period. The more recent ones were better, as they were more organized and
> followed a format.
>
> They started with a cover page, naming the deceased and who was in
> charge of their inventory. Some had maybe 7 pieces of paper (so 
> potentially
> 14 pages of information). Some had 144 pieces of paper (288 pages of
> information). The more "recent" ones (1920s forward) had a copy of the
> death certificate with the cause of death listed. Or the best that 
> medicine
> knew for that time period. They named children, grandchildren,
> great-grandchildren if they had any. If you can read the births and
> marriages, then you already know the words of "filhos" and "netos."
> "Bisnetos" are the great-grandchildren. Some listed relatives on the
> paternal side "pelo lado paterno" or the maternal side "pelo lada 
> materna,"
> Anytime I saw the word "familia" I scanned the page. Some listed what I
> believe were people they owed. Some listed what they owned, as in the
> furnishings and whatnot. My 2 great-grandmother's had a declaration from
> her husband. I don't know what it says yet. I'm waiting on my cousin to
> tell me. And there was a lot of legal stuff in there too.
>
> The earliest will/inventory that I looked at was from 1807. Some exist
> from the 1700s.
>
> Not every ancestor will have an inventory or will. You didn't need to
> own property to have an will or inventory. As I said, it appeared that one
> guy owed a lot of people a lot of money.
>
> They allowed me to take pictures with my camera (found out I need a
> different pair of reading glasses to take pictures). They said that the
> inventories are NEVER to be posted anywhere on the Internet. That means
> Ancestry.com, Geni.com, My Heritage, FamilySearch.org, your own
> personal page, etc. They consider the inventories private Yes, I 
> understand
> that if the person died in 1807, no one alive today was mentioned in that
> will. But they have their rules. I said it was going to be left on my
> computer so I could consult it. I would extract only genealogy information
> from the documents, but would never post an image of any them. So for 
> those
> utilizing the inventories/wills, do NOT post them ANYWHERE on 

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Inventories (Inventarios) and wills

[Margaret Vicente]

Perhaps the staff is not aware of all the Arquivo contains.  There's a lot
of content not just indexing. It all depends what you are searching for.
There are transcripts and there are documents with digital representation,
meaning they can be viewed and downloaded, unfortunately it's all in
Portuguese. The search parameter is not easy to use.

Here's the link to a transcript, accounting for Horta's 1874 expostos,
budget etc

http://www.arquivos.azores.gov.pt/details?id=1240760

Here's a digital representation of genealogical nature, they may have done
it either as a sample. Ribeira Grande, Estrela baptisms

http://www.arquivos.azores.gov.pt/viewer?id=1021142&FileID=1

Here's quite a bit of information of the Family Campos Medeiros

http://www.arquivos.azores.gov.pt/details?id=1347047

etc.

Margaret


On Mon, Jul 23, 2018 at 10:38 PM Cheri Mello  wrote:

> Joe Mendonca, I did not know that the Ponta Delgada archives would scan
> for you. Good to know.
>
> Joe Matias, the Archeevo site is the Archives Catalog. Any type of card
> catalog doesn't provide detailed information. Catalogs, by nature, are just
> a type of index. Maybe you missed my post on the Archives Catalog. Here it
> is for your reference:
> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/azores/NVx8qfbhNZM
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
> On Mon, Jul 23, 2018 at 3:21 PM, Joe Matias  wrote:
>
>> Ok,good to know.I have been on the archeevo site but did not get detailed
>> info,but still very useful.
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 23, 2018 at 5:39 PM Cheri Mello  wrote:
>>
>>> Altino,
>>> That link does not have the inventories or wills and it does not contain
>>> the images of them. They were very explicit about NOT putting the
>>> inventories/wills online. They stated to me that the inventories/wills are
>>> for viewing only, as they are very private. Too bad they can't make a cut
>>> off date. Someone who died in the mid-1800s and had descendants won't
>>> really be invading their privacy, as all the descendants are also deceased.
>>> 
>>>
>>> Cheri Mello
>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira
>>> Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jul 23, 2018 at 2:31 PM, 'Altino Demelo' via Azores Genealogy <
>>> azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>>
 Joe, you can research from home here :
 http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/ig/registos/Default.aspx

 You can also research on the Tombo website. Maybe someone else can
 provide that link.

 Altino

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Jul 23, 2018, at 4:33 PM, Joe Matias  wrote:

 Do you have to be in Ponta Delgada in order to view all the pages of
 your search,or is there a way of doing so through the internet at home?


 On Sun, Jul 22, 2018 at 7:19 PM Cheri Mello 
 wrote:

> While I was in Ponta Delgada on Sao Miguel island, I made extensive
> use of the inventories or wills. I was able to find them on the Archives
> Catalog at http://www.arquivos.azores.gov.pt/  I don't know how to
> find them for other islands. I don't think the other archives entered them
> or perhaps the inventories or wills are not housed at the other archives.
>
> The inventories and wills varied a lot and from time period to time
> period. The more recent ones were better, as they were more organized and
> followed a format.
>
> They started with a cover page, naming the deceased and who was in
> charge of their inventory. Some had maybe 7 pieces of paper (so 
> potentially
> 14 pages of information). Some had 144 pieces of paper (288 pages of
> information). The more "recent" ones (1920s forward) had a copy of the
> death certificate with the cause of death listed. Or the best that 
> medicine
> knew for that time period. They named children, grandchildren,
> great-grandchildren if they had any. If you can read the births and
> marriages, then you already know the words of "filhos" and "netos."
> "Bisnetos" are the great-grandchildren. Some listed relatives on the
> paternal side "pelo lado paterno" or the maternal side "pelo lada 
> materna,"
> Anytime I saw the word "familia" I scanned the page. Some listed what I
> believe were people they owed. Some listed what they owned, as in the
> furnishings and whatnot. My 2 great-grandmother's had a declaration from
> her husband. I don't know what it says yet. I'm waiting on my cousin to
> tell me. And there was a lot of legal stuff in there too.
>
> The earliest will/inventory that I looked at was from 1807. Some exist
> from the 1700s.
>
> Not every ancestor will have an inventory or will. You didn't need to
> own property to have an will or inventory. As I said, it appeared that one
> guy owed a lot of people a lot

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Inventories (Inventarios) and wills

[Cheri Mello]

Joe Mendonca, I did not know that the Ponta Delgada archives would scan for
you. Good to know.

Joe Matias, the Archeevo site is the Archives Catalog. Any type of card
catalog doesn't provide detailed information. Catalogs, by nature, are just
a type of index. Maybe you missed my post on the Archives Catalog. Here it
is for your reference:
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/azores/NVx8qfbhNZM

Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

On Mon, Jul 23, 2018 at 3:21 PM, Joe Matias  wrote:

> Ok,good to know.I have been on the archeevo site but did not get detailed
> info,but still very useful.
>
> On Mon, Jul 23, 2018 at 5:39 PM Cheri Mello  wrote:
>
>> Altino,
>> That link does not have the inventories or wills and it does not contain
>> the images of them. They were very explicit about NOT putting the
>> inventories/wills online. They stated to me that the inventories/wills are
>> for viewing only, as they are very private. Too bad they can't make a cut
>> off date. Someone who died in the mid-1800s and had descendants won't
>> really be invading their privacy, as all the descendants are also deceased.
>> 
>>
>> Cheri Mello
>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
>> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 23, 2018 at 2:31 PM, 'Altino Demelo' via Azores Genealogy <
>> azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Joe, you can research from home here :
>>> http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/ig/registos/Default.aspx
>>>
>>> You can also research on the Tombo website. Maybe someone else can
>>> provide that link.
>>>
>>> Altino
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Jul 23, 2018, at 4:33 PM, Joe Matias  wrote:
>>>
>>> Do you have to be in Ponta Delgada in order to view all the pages of
>>> your search,or is there a way of doing so through the internet at home?
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Jul 22, 2018 at 7:19 PM Cheri Mello  wrote:
>>>
 While I was in Ponta Delgada on Sao Miguel island, I made extensive use
 of the inventories or wills. I was able to find them on the Archives
 Catalog at http://www.arquivos.azores.gov.pt/  I don't know how to
 find them for other islands. I don't think the other archives entered them
 or perhaps the inventories or wills are not housed at the other archives.

 The inventories and wills varied a lot and from time period to time
 period. The more recent ones were better, as they were more organized and
 followed a format.

 They started with a cover page, naming the deceased and who was in
 charge of their inventory. Some had maybe 7 pieces of paper (so potentially
 14 pages of information). Some had 144 pieces of paper (288 pages of
 information). The more "recent" ones (1920s forward) had a copy of the
 death certificate with the cause of death listed. Or the best that medicine
 knew for that time period. They named children, grandchildren,
 great-grandchildren if they had any. If you can read the births and
 marriages, then you already know the words of "filhos" and "netos."
 "Bisnetos" are the great-grandchildren. Some listed relatives on the
 paternal side "pelo lado paterno" or the maternal side "pelo lada materna,"
 Anytime I saw the word "familia" I scanned the page. Some listed what I
 believe were people they owed. Some listed what they owned, as in the
 furnishings and whatnot. My 2 great-grandmother's had a declaration from
 her husband. I don't know what it says yet. I'm waiting on my cousin to
 tell me. And there was a lot of legal stuff in there too.

 The earliest will/inventory that I looked at was from 1807. Some exist
 from the 1700s.

 Not every ancestor will have an inventory or will. You didn't need to
 own property to have an will or inventory. As I said, it appeared that one
 guy owed a lot of people a lot of money.

 They allowed me to take pictures with my camera (found out I need a
 different pair of reading glasses to take pictures). They said that the
 inventories are NEVER to be posted anywhere on the Internet. That means
 Ancestry.com, Geni.com, My Heritage, FamilySearch.org, your own
 personal page, etc. They consider the inventories private Yes, I understand
 that if the person died in 1807, no one alive today was mentioned in that
 will. But they have their rules. I said it was going to be left on my
 computer so I could consult it. I would extract only genealogy information
 from the documents, but would never post an image of any them. So for those
 utilizing the inventories/wills, do NOT post them ANYWHERE on the Internet
 or you mess it up for future genealogists.

 Hopefully the other archives will get their inventories/wills up on the
 Archives Catalog.
 Cheri Mello
 Listowner, Azores-Gen
 Res

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Inventories (Inventarios) and wills

[Joe Matias]

Ok,good to know.I have been on the archeevo site but did not get detailed
info,but still very useful.

On Mon, Jul 23, 2018 at 5:39 PM Cheri Mello  wrote:

> Altino,
> That link does not have the inventories or wills and it does not contain
> the images of them. They were very explicit about NOT putting the
> inventories/wills online. They stated to me that the inventories/wills are
> for viewing only, as they are very private. Too bad they can't make a cut
> off date. Someone who died in the mid-1800s and had descendants won't
> really be invading their privacy, as all the descendants are also deceased.
> 
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
> On Mon, Jul 23, 2018 at 2:31 PM, 'Altino Demelo' via Azores Genealogy <
> azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
>> Joe, you can research from home here :
>> http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/ig/registos/Default.aspx
>>
>> You can also research on the Tombo website. Maybe someone else can
>> provide that link.
>>
>> Altino
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Jul 23, 2018, at 4:33 PM, Joe Matias  wrote:
>>
>> Do you have to be in Ponta Delgada in order to view all the pages of your
>> search,or is there a way of doing so through the internet at home?
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Jul 22, 2018 at 7:19 PM Cheri Mello  wrote:
>>
>>> While I was in Ponta Delgada on Sao Miguel island, I made extensive use
>>> of the inventories or wills. I was able to find them on the Archives
>>> Catalog at http://www.arquivos.azores.gov.pt/  I don't know how to find
>>> them for other islands. I don't think the other archives entered them or
>>> perhaps the inventories or wills are not housed at the other archives.
>>>
>>> The inventories and wills varied a lot and from time period to time
>>> period. The more recent ones were better, as they were more organized and
>>> followed a format.
>>>
>>> They started with a cover page, naming the deceased and who was in
>>> charge of their inventory. Some had maybe 7 pieces of paper (so potentially
>>> 14 pages of information). Some had 144 pieces of paper (288 pages of
>>> information). The more "recent" ones (1920s forward) had a copy of the
>>> death certificate with the cause of death listed. Or the best that medicine
>>> knew for that time period. They named children, grandchildren,
>>> great-grandchildren if they had any. If you can read the births and
>>> marriages, then you already know the words of "filhos" and "netos."
>>> "Bisnetos" are the great-grandchildren. Some listed relatives on the
>>> paternal side "pelo lado paterno" or the maternal side "pelo lada materna,"
>>> Anytime I saw the word "familia" I scanned the page. Some listed what I
>>> believe were people they owed. Some listed what they owned, as in the
>>> furnishings and whatnot. My 2 great-grandmother's had a declaration from
>>> her husband. I don't know what it says yet. I'm waiting on my cousin to
>>> tell me. And there was a lot of legal stuff in there too.
>>>
>>> The earliest will/inventory that I looked at was from 1807. Some exist
>>> from the 1700s.
>>>
>>> Not every ancestor will have an inventory or will. You didn't need to
>>> own property to have an will or inventory. As I said, it appeared that one
>>> guy owed a lot of people a lot of money.
>>>
>>> They allowed me to take pictures with my camera (found out I need a
>>> different pair of reading glasses to take pictures). They said that the
>>> inventories are NEVER to be posted anywhere on the Internet. That means
>>> Ancestry.com, Geni.com, My Heritage, FamilySearch.org, your own
>>> personal page, etc. They consider the inventories private Yes, I understand
>>> that if the person died in 1807, no one alive today was mentioned in that
>>> will. But they have their rules. I said it was going to be left on my
>>> computer so I could consult it. I would extract only genealogy information
>>> from the documents, but would never post an image of any them. So for those
>>> utilizing the inventories/wills, do NOT post them ANYWHERE on the Internet
>>> or you mess it up for future genealogists.
>>>
>>> Hopefully the other archives will get their inventories/wills up on the
>>> Archives Catalog.
>>> Cheri Mello
>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira
>>> Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Inventories (Inventarios) and wills

[Rosemarie Capodicci]

Wow, great luck, Joseph!

Rosemarie
rcap...@gmail.com
Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily

On Mon, Jul 23, 2018 at 3:28 PM, Joseph Mendonca 
wrote:

> I was able to order an inventory last year belonging to a cousin of mine
> that assisted me in determining our exact relationship.  His inventory was
> 204 pages (back and front) and would have cost me  €132,60 at  €0,65 per
> image.  The archive wrote me and advised that only the first 17 pages were
> of genealogical value and would only cost  €11,05.  In the letter they
> gave a brief description of the contents prior to ordering.  After I sent
> them the money via a bank transfer they sent the images via zip file to my
> email address..
>
> On Mon, Jul 23, 2018 at 5:38 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
>
>> Altino,
>> That link does not have the inventories or wills and it does not contain
>> the images of them. They were very explicit about NOT putting the
>> inventories/wills online. They stated to me that the inventories/wills are
>> for viewing only, as they are very private. Too bad they can't make a cut
>> off date. Someone who died in the mid-1800s and had descendants won't
>> really be invading their privacy, as all the descendants are also deceased.
>> 
>>
>> Cheri Mello
>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
>> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 23, 2018 at 2:31 PM, 'Altino Demelo' via Azores Genealogy <
>> azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Joe, you can research from home here :
>>> http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/ig/registos/Default.aspx
>>>
>>> You can also research on the Tombo website. Maybe someone else can
>>> provide that link.
>>>
>>> Altino
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Jul 23, 2018, at 4:33 PM, Joe Matias  wrote:
>>>
>>> Do you have to be in Ponta Delgada in order to view all the pages of
>>> your search,or is there a way of doing so through the internet at home?
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Jul 22, 2018 at 7:19 PM Cheri Mello  wrote:
>>>
 While I was in Ponta Delgada on Sao Miguel island, I made extensive use
 of the inventories or wills. I was able to find them on the Archives
 Catalog at http://www.arquivos.azores.gov.pt/  I don't know how to
 find them for other islands. I don't think the other archives entered them
 or perhaps the inventories or wills are not housed at the other archives.

 The inventories and wills varied a lot and from time period to time
 period. The more recent ones were better, as they were more organized and
 followed a format.

 They started with a cover page, naming the deceased and who was in
 charge of their inventory. Some had maybe 7 pieces of paper (so potentially
 14 pages of information). Some had 144 pieces of paper (288 pages of
 information). The more "recent" ones (1920s forward) had a copy of the
 death certificate with the cause of death listed. Or the best that medicine
 knew for that time period. They named children, grandchildren,
 great-grandchildren if they had any. If you can read the births and
 marriages, then you already know the words of "filhos" and "netos."
 "Bisnetos" are the great-grandchildren. Some listed relatives on the
 paternal side "pelo lado paterno" or the maternal side "pelo lada materna,"
 Anytime I saw the word "familia" I scanned the page. Some listed what I
 believe were people they owed. Some listed what they owned, as in the
 furnishings and whatnot. My 2 great-grandmother's had a declaration from
 her husband. I don't know what it says yet. I'm waiting on my cousin to
 tell me. And there was a lot of legal stuff in there too.

 The earliest will/inventory that I looked at was from 1807. Some exist
 from the 1700s.

 Not every ancestor will have an inventory or will. You didn't need to
 own property to have an will or inventory. As I said, it appeared that one
 guy owed a lot of people a lot of money.

 They allowed me to take pictures with my camera (found out I need a
 different pair of reading glasses to take pictures). They said that the
 inventories are NEVER to be posted anywhere on the Internet. That means
 Ancestry.com, Geni.com, My Heritage, FamilySearch.org, your own
 personal page, etc. They consider the inventories private Yes, I understand
 that if the person died in 1807, no one alive today was mentioned in that
 will. But they have their rules. I said it was going to be left on my
 computer so I could consult it. I would extract only genealogy information
 from the documents, but would never post an image of any them. So for those
 utilizing the inventories/wills, do NOT post them ANYWHERE on the Internet
 or you mess it up for future genealogists.

 Hopefully the other archives will get their inventories/wills up on the

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Inventories (Inventarios) and wills

[Joseph Mendonca]

I was able to order an inventory last year belonging to a cousin of mine
that assisted me in determining our exact relationship.  His inventory was
204 pages (back and front) and would have cost me  €132,60 at  €0,65 per
image.  The archive wrote me and advised that only the first 17 pages were
of genealogical value and would only cost  €11,05.  In the letter they gave
a brief description of the contents prior to ordering.  After I sent them
the money via a bank transfer they sent the images via zip file to my email
address..

On Mon, Jul 23, 2018 at 5:38 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:

> Altino,
> That link does not have the inventories or wills and it does not contain
> the images of them. They were very explicit about NOT putting the
> inventories/wills online. They stated to me that the inventories/wills are
> for viewing only, as they are very private. Too bad they can't make a cut
> off date. Someone who died in the mid-1800s and had descendants won't
> really be invading their privacy, as all the descendants are also deceased.
> 
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
> On Mon, Jul 23, 2018 at 2:31 PM, 'Altino Demelo' via Azores Genealogy <
> azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
>> Joe, you can research from home here :
>> http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/ig/registos/Default.aspx
>>
>> You can also research on the Tombo website. Maybe someone else can
>> provide that link.
>>
>> Altino
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Jul 23, 2018, at 4:33 PM, Joe Matias  wrote:
>>
>> Do you have to be in Ponta Delgada in order to view all the pages of your
>> search,or is there a way of doing so through the internet at home?
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Jul 22, 2018 at 7:19 PM Cheri Mello  wrote:
>>
>>> While I was in Ponta Delgada on Sao Miguel island, I made extensive use
>>> of the inventories or wills. I was able to find them on the Archives
>>> Catalog at http://www.arquivos.azores.gov.pt/  I don't know how to find
>>> them for other islands. I don't think the other archives entered them or
>>> perhaps the inventories or wills are not housed at the other archives.
>>>
>>> The inventories and wills varied a lot and from time period to time
>>> period. The more recent ones were better, as they were more organized and
>>> followed a format.
>>>
>>> They started with a cover page, naming the deceased and who was in
>>> charge of their inventory. Some had maybe 7 pieces of paper (so potentially
>>> 14 pages of information). Some had 144 pieces of paper (288 pages of
>>> information). The more "recent" ones (1920s forward) had a copy of the
>>> death certificate with the cause of death listed. Or the best that medicine
>>> knew for that time period. They named children, grandchildren,
>>> great-grandchildren if they had any. If you can read the births and
>>> marriages, then you already know the words of "filhos" and "netos."
>>> "Bisnetos" are the great-grandchildren. Some listed relatives on the
>>> paternal side "pelo lado paterno" or the maternal side "pelo lada materna,"
>>> Anytime I saw the word "familia" I scanned the page. Some listed what I
>>> believe were people they owed. Some listed what they owned, as in the
>>> furnishings and whatnot. My 2 great-grandmother's had a declaration from
>>> her husband. I don't know what it says yet. I'm waiting on my cousin to
>>> tell me. And there was a lot of legal stuff in there too.
>>>
>>> The earliest will/inventory that I looked at was from 1807. Some exist
>>> from the 1700s.
>>>
>>> Not every ancestor will have an inventory or will. You didn't need to
>>> own property to have an will or inventory. As I said, it appeared that one
>>> guy owed a lot of people a lot of money.
>>>
>>> They allowed me to take pictures with my camera (found out I need a
>>> different pair of reading glasses to take pictures). They said that the
>>> inventories are NEVER to be posted anywhere on the Internet. That means
>>> Ancestry.com, Geni.com, My Heritage, FamilySearch.org, your own
>>> personal page, etc. They consider the inventories private Yes, I understand
>>> that if the person died in 1807, no one alive today was mentioned in that
>>> will. But they have their rules. I said it was going to be left on my
>>> computer so I could consult it. I would extract only genealogy information
>>> from the documents, but would never post an image of any them. So for those
>>> utilizing the inventories/wills, do NOT post them ANYWHERE on the Internet
>>> or you mess it up for future genealogists.
>>>
>>> Hopefully the other archives will get their inventories/wills up on the
>>> Archives Catalog.
>>> Cheri Mello
>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira
>>> Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Inventories (Inventarios) and wills

[Cheri Mello]

Altino,
That link does not have the inventories or wills and it does not contain
the images of them. They were very explicit about NOT putting the
inventories/wills online. They stated to me that the inventories/wills are
for viewing only, as they are very private. Too bad they can't make a cut
off date. Someone who died in the mid-1800s and had descendants won't
really be invading their privacy, as all the descendants are also deceased.


Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

On Mon, Jul 23, 2018 at 2:31 PM, 'Altino Demelo' via Azores Genealogy <
azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Joe, you can research from home here :
> http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/ig/registos/Default.aspx
>
> You can also research on the Tombo website. Maybe someone else can provide
> that link.
>
> Altino
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jul 23, 2018, at 4:33 PM, Joe Matias  wrote:
>
> Do you have to be in Ponta Delgada in order to view all the pages of your
> search,or is there a way of doing so through the internet at home?
>
>
> On Sun, Jul 22, 2018 at 7:19 PM Cheri Mello  wrote:
>
>> While I was in Ponta Delgada on Sao Miguel island, I made extensive use
>> of the inventories or wills. I was able to find them on the Archives
>> Catalog at http://www.arquivos.azores.gov.pt/  I don't know how to find
>> them for other islands. I don't think the other archives entered them or
>> perhaps the inventories or wills are not housed at the other archives.
>>
>> The inventories and wills varied a lot and from time period to time
>> period. The more recent ones were better, as they were more organized and
>> followed a format.
>>
>> They started with a cover page, naming the deceased and who was in charge
>> of their inventory. Some had maybe 7 pieces of paper (so potentially 14
>> pages of information). Some had 144 pieces of paper (288 pages of
>> information). The more "recent" ones (1920s forward) had a copy of the
>> death certificate with the cause of death listed. Or the best that medicine
>> knew for that time period. They named children, grandchildren,
>> great-grandchildren if they had any. If you can read the births and
>> marriages, then you already know the words of "filhos" and "netos."
>> "Bisnetos" are the great-grandchildren. Some listed relatives on the
>> paternal side "pelo lado paterno" or the maternal side "pelo lada materna,"
>> Anytime I saw the word "familia" I scanned the page. Some listed what I
>> believe were people they owed. Some listed what they owned, as in the
>> furnishings and whatnot. My 2 great-grandmother's had a declaration from
>> her husband. I don't know what it says yet. I'm waiting on my cousin to
>> tell me. And there was a lot of legal stuff in there too.
>>
>> The earliest will/inventory that I looked at was from 1807. Some exist
>> from the 1700s.
>>
>> Not every ancestor will have an inventory or will. You didn't need to own
>> property to have an will or inventory. As I said, it appeared that one guy
>> owed a lot of people a lot of money.
>>
>> They allowed me to take pictures with my camera (found out I need a
>> different pair of reading glasses to take pictures). They said that the
>> inventories are NEVER to be posted anywhere on the Internet. That means
>> Ancestry.com, Geni.com, My Heritage, FamilySearch.org, your own personal
>> page, etc. They consider the inventories private Yes, I understand that if
>> the person died in 1807, no one alive today was mentioned in that will. But
>> they have their rules. I said it was going to be left on my computer so I
>> could consult it. I would extract only genealogy information from the
>> documents, but would never post an image of any them. So for those
>> utilizing the inventories/wills, do NOT post them ANYWHERE on the Internet
>> or you mess it up for future genealogists.
>>
>> Hopefully the other archives will get their inventories/wills up on the
>> Archives Catalog.
>> Cheri Mello
>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
>> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Inventories (Inventarios) and wills

['Altino Demelo' via Azores Genealogy]

Joe, you can research from home here :
http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/ig/registos/Default.aspx

You can also research on the Tombo website. Maybe someone else can provide that 
link.

Altino

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 23, 2018, at 4:33 PM, Joe Matias  wrote:
> 
> Do you have to be in Ponta Delgada in order to view all the pages of your 
> search,or is there a way of doing so through the internet at home?
> 
> 
>> On Sun, Jul 22, 2018 at 7:19 PM Cheri Mello  wrote:
>> While I was in Ponta Delgada on Sao Miguel island, I made extensive use of 
>> the inventories or wills. I was able to find them on the Archives Catalog at 
>> http://www.arquivos.azores.gov.pt/  I don't know how to find them for other 
>> islands. I don't think the other archives entered them or perhaps the 
>> inventories or wills are not housed at the other archives.
>> 
>> The inventories and wills varied a lot and from time period to time period. 
>> The more recent ones were better, as they were more organized and followed a 
>> format.
>> 
>> They started with a cover page, naming the deceased and who was in charge of 
>> their inventory. Some had maybe 7 pieces of paper (so potentially 14 pages 
>> of information). Some had 144 pieces of paper (288 pages of information). 
>> The more "recent" ones (1920s forward) had a copy of the death certificate 
>> with the cause of death listed. Or the best that medicine knew for that time 
>> period. They named children, grandchildren, great-grandchildren if they had 
>> any. If you can read the births and marriages, then you already know the 
>> words of "filhos" and "netos." "Bisnetos" are the great-grandchildren. Some 
>> listed relatives on the paternal side "pelo lado paterno" or the maternal 
>> side "pelo lada materna," Anytime I saw the word "familia" I scanned the 
>> page. Some listed what I believe were people they owed. Some listed what 
>> they owned, as in the furnishings and whatnot. My 2 great-grandmother's had 
>> a declaration from her husband. I don't know what it says yet. I'm waiting 
>> on my cousin to tell me. And there was a lot of legal stuff in there too.
>> 
>> The earliest will/inventory that I looked at was from 1807. Some exist from 
>> the 1700s. 
>> 
>> Not every ancestor will have an inventory or will. You didn't need to own 
>> property to have an will or inventory. As I said, it appeared that one guy 
>> owed a lot of people a lot of money.
>> 
>> They allowed me to take pictures with my camera (found out I need a 
>> different pair of reading glasses to take pictures). They said that the 
>> inventories are NEVER to be posted anywhere on the Internet. That means 
>> Ancestry.com, Geni.com, My Heritage, FamilySearch.org, your own personal 
>> page, etc. They consider the inventories private Yes, I understand that if 
>> the person died in 1807, no one alive today was mentioned in that will. But 
>> they have their rules. I said it was going to be left on my computer so I 
>> could consult it. I would extract only genealogy information from the 
>> documents, but would never post an image of any them. So for those utilizing 
>> the inventories/wills, do NOT post them ANYWHERE on the Internet or you mess 
>> it up for future genealogists.
>> 
>> Hopefully the other archives will get their inventories/wills up on the 
>> Archives Catalog.
>> Cheri Mello
>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
>> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Inventories (Inventarios) and wills

[Cheri Mello]

Joe M,

They explicitly stated that the inventories are NOT to be on the Internet.
If they were on the Internet they would not have told me NOT to post any of
the images online.

You have to go there to view them or hire a researcher. That's the only
ways I know of.  Cheri

Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

On Mon, Jul 23, 2018 at 1:33 PM, Joe Matias  wrote:

> Do you have to be in Ponta Delgada in order to view all the pages of your
> search,or is there a way of doing so through the internet at home?
>
>
> On Sun, Jul 22, 2018 at 7:19 PM Cheri Mello  wrote:
>
>> While I was in Ponta Delgada on Sao Miguel island, I made extensive use
>> of the inventories or wills. I was able to find them on the Archives
>> Catalog at http://www.arquivos.azores.gov.pt/  I don't know how to find
>> them for other islands. I don't think the other archives entered them or
>> perhaps the inventories or wills are not housed at the other archives.
>>
>> The inventories and wills varied a lot and from time period to time
>> period. The more recent ones were better, as they were more organized and
>> followed a format.
>>
>> They started with a cover page, naming the deceased and who was in charge
>> of their inventory. Some had maybe 7 pieces of paper (so potentially 14
>> pages of information). Some had 144 pieces of paper (288 pages of
>> information). The more "recent" ones (1920s forward) had a copy of the
>> death certificate with the cause of death listed. Or the best that medicine
>> knew for that time period. They named children, grandchildren,
>> great-grandchildren if they had any. If you can read the births and
>> marriages, then you already know the words of "filhos" and "netos."
>> "Bisnetos" are the great-grandchildren. Some listed relatives on the
>> paternal side "pelo lado paterno" or the maternal side "pelo lada materna,"
>> Anytime I saw the word "familia" I scanned the page. Some listed what I
>> believe were people they owed. Some listed what they owned, as in the
>> furnishings and whatnot. My 2 great-grandmother's had a declaration from
>> her husband. I don't know what it says yet. I'm waiting on my cousin to
>> tell me. And there was a lot of legal stuff in there too.
>>
>> The earliest will/inventory that I looked at was from 1807. Some exist
>> from the 1700s.
>>
>> Not every ancestor will have an inventory or will. You didn't need to own
>> property to have an will or inventory. As I said, it appeared that one guy
>> owed a lot of people a lot of money.
>>
>> They allowed me to take pictures with my camera (found out I need a
>> different pair of reading glasses to take pictures). They said that the
>> inventories are NEVER to be posted anywhere on the Internet. That means
>> Ancestry.com, Geni.com, My Heritage, FamilySearch.org, your own personal
>> page, etc. They consider the inventories private Yes, I understand that if
>> the person died in 1807, no one alive today was mentioned in that will. But
>> they have their rules. I said it was going to be left on my computer so I
>> could consult it. I would extract only genealogy information from the
>> documents, but would never post an image of any them. So for those
>> utilizing the inventories/wills, do NOT post them ANYWHERE on the Internet
>> or you mess it up for future genealogists.
>>
>> Hopefully the other archives will get their inventories/wills up on the
>> Archives Catalog.
>> Cheri Mello
>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
>> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Inventories (Inventarios) and wills

[Joe Matias]

Do you have to be in Ponta Delgada in order to view all the pages of your
search,or is there a way of doing so through the internet at home?


On Sun, Jul 22, 2018 at 7:19 PM Cheri Mello  wrote:

> While I was in Ponta Delgada on Sao Miguel island, I made extensive use of
> the inventories or wills. I was able to find them on the Archives Catalog
> at http://www.arquivos.azores.gov.pt/  I don't know how to find them for
> other islands. I don't think the other archives entered them or perhaps the
> inventories or wills are not housed at the other archives.
>
> The inventories and wills varied a lot and from time period to time
> period. The more recent ones were better, as they were more organized and
> followed a format.
>
> They started with a cover page, naming the deceased and who was in charge
> of their inventory. Some had maybe 7 pieces of paper (so potentially 14
> pages of information). Some had 144 pieces of paper (288 pages of
> information). The more "recent" ones (1920s forward) had a copy of the
> death certificate with the cause of death listed. Or the best that medicine
> knew for that time period. They named children, grandchildren,
> great-grandchildren if they had any. If you can read the births and
> marriages, then you already know the words of "filhos" and "netos."
> "Bisnetos" are the great-grandchildren. Some listed relatives on the
> paternal side "pelo lado paterno" or the maternal side "pelo lada materna,"
> Anytime I saw the word "familia" I scanned the page. Some listed what I
> believe were people they owed. Some listed what they owned, as in the
> furnishings and whatnot. My 2 great-grandmother's had a declaration from
> her husband. I don't know what it says yet. I'm waiting on my cousin to
> tell me. And there was a lot of legal stuff in there too.
>
> The earliest will/inventory that I looked at was from 1807. Some exist
> from the 1700s.
>
> Not every ancestor will have an inventory or will. You didn't need to own
> property to have an will or inventory. As I said, it appeared that one guy
> owed a lot of people a lot of money.
>
> They allowed me to take pictures with my camera (found out I need a
> different pair of reading glasses to take pictures). They said that the
> inventories are NEVER to be posted anywhere on the Internet. That means
> Ancestry.com, Geni.com, My Heritage, FamilySearch.org, your own personal
> page, etc. They consider the inventories private Yes, I understand that if
> the person died in 1807, no one alive today was mentioned in that will. But
> they have their rules. I said it was going to be left on my computer so I
> could consult it. I would extract only genealogy information from the
> documents, but would never post an image of any them. So for those
> utilizing the inventories/wills, do NOT post them ANYWHERE on the Internet
> or you mess it up for future genealogists.
>
> Hopefully the other archives will get their inventories/wills up on the
> Archives Catalog.
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Inventories (Inventarios) and wills

[Cheri Mello]

While I was in Ponta Delgada on Sao Miguel island, I made extensive use of
the inventories or wills. I was able to find them on the Archives Catalog
at http://www.arquivos.azores.gov.pt/  I don't know how to find them for
other islands. I don't think the other archives entered them or perhaps the
inventories or wills are not housed at the other archives.

The inventories and wills varied a lot and from time period to time period.
The more recent ones were better, as they were more organized and followed
a format.

They started with a cover page, naming the deceased and who was in charge
of their inventory. Some had maybe 7 pieces of paper (so potentially 14
pages of information). Some had 144 pieces of paper (288 pages of
information). The more "recent" ones (1920s forward) had a copy of the
death certificate with the cause of death listed. Or the best that medicine
knew for that time period. They named children, grandchildren,
great-grandchildren if they had any. If you can read the births and
marriages, then you already know the words of "filhos" and "netos."
"Bisnetos" are the great-grandchildren. Some listed relatives on the
paternal side "pelo lado paterno" or the maternal side "pelo lada materna,"
Anytime I saw the word "familia" I scanned the page. Some listed what I
believe were people they owed. Some listed what they owned, as in the
furnishings and whatnot. My 2 great-grandmother's had a declaration from
her husband. I don't know what it says yet. I'm waiting on my cousin to
tell me. And there was a lot of legal stuff in there too.

The earliest will/inventory that I looked at was from 1807. Some exist from
the 1700s.

Not every ancestor will have an inventory or will. You didn't need to own
property to have an will or inventory. As I said, it appeared that one guy
owed a lot of people a lot of money.

They allowed me to take pictures with my camera (found out I need a
different pair of reading glasses to take pictures). They said that the
inventories are NEVER to be posted anywhere on the Internet. That means
Ancestry.com, Geni.com, My Heritage, FamilySearch.org, your own personal
page, etc. They consider the inventories private Yes, I understand that if
the person died in 1807, no one alive today was mentioned in that will. But
they have their rules. I said it was going to be left on my computer so I
could consult it. I would extract only genealogy information from the
documents, but would never post an image of any them. So for those
utilizing the inventories/wills, do NOT post them ANYWHERE on the Internet
or you mess it up for future genealogists.

Hopefully the other archives will get their inventories/wills up on the
Archives Catalog.
Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

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