Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Please help with Perpetua Rosa again att. Diane

2012-10-21 Thread Diane 
Thanks again Marcio. I am so pleased that I am starting to get the hang of 
reading these things but this one was rather difficult.
Now I will go looking for some more.
 
Regards
Diane Donnon

On Monday, 22 October 2012 10:15:31 UTC+10:30, Azoreanno wrote:

> Hi
>
> Yes it is.
>
> December 26 1785.
> Manuel de Sousa Machado son of Joao de Sousa Machado and Maria de Jesus
> Francisca Josefa daugther of Lucas Teixeira, deceased and Teresa de Jesus
> Marcio Borba 
> Feel the Azores... visit http://azorean-roots.blogspot.com
>
> --- Em *seg, 22/10/12, Diane >*escreveu:
>
>
> De: Diane >
> Assunto: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Please help with Perpetua Rosa again
> Para: azo...@googlegroups.com 
> Data: Segunda-feira, 22 de Outubro de 2012, 1:04
>
> I have been looking for the marriage of Manuel (the elder) with Francisca 
> Josefa and came across this record. Could you please tell me if this 
> very abbreviated groom's name is Manuel de Souza Machado. I am gradually 
> learning to read the abbreviations but this would help. I don't think I can 
> see the bride's name but this might be him having another marriage - which 
> seems to run in the family.
>  
> thank you Marcio
>  
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-VL-URZELINA-C-1780-1843/SJR-VL-URZELINA-C-1780-1843_item1/P18.html
>  
>  
>
> On Sunday, 21 October 2012 19:27:55 UTC+10:30, Azoreanno wrote:
>
> Back then It was normal for the same person to show diferent last names in 
> diferent records. In this case Mancebo usually means son of another of the 
> same name which is the case. Manuel de Sousa Mancebo son of Manuel de Sousa 
> Machado. I bet there are records of your Manuel de Sousa MAncebo as Manuel 
> de Sousa Machado. As for life style I would start with an online research
>
> Marcio Borba 
> Feel the Azores... visit http://azorean-roots.blogspot. 
> com
>
> --- Em *dom, 21/10/12, Diane * escreveu:
>
>
> De: Diane 
> Assunto: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Please help with Perpetua Rosa again
> Para: azo...@googlegroups.com
> Data: Domingo, 21 de Outubro de 2012, 10:47
>
> Thank you Marcio
> I am happy that you have been able to read those names for me. Do you 
> think the surname of Manuel and his father is definitely Mancebo and not 
> Machado?
>  
> Can you tell me the best way of going about doing some research about the 
> lifestyles of the people of Sao Jorge in those times? It would need to be 
> in English.Now that I have so many more ancestors I would like to know more 
> about the way they lived.
>  
> Regards
> Diane Donnon
> South Australia
>  
>  
>
> On Sunday, 21 October 2012 18:48:48 UTC+10:30, Azoreanno wrote:
>
> Victorina's parents were João de Sousa de Freitas and Isabel de Jesus
>
> Marcio Borba 
> Feel the Azores... visit http://azorean-roots.blogspot. 
> com
>
> --- Em *dom, 21/10/12, Diane * escreveu:
>
>
> De: Diane 
> Assunto: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Please help with Perpetua Rosa again
> Para: azo...@googlegroups.com
> Data: Domingo, 21 de Outubro de 2012, 7:10
>
>  
> Thanks Rick. Well there goes that theory. I had looked at that record and 
> not picked up the names. I have macular degeneration in one eye and 
> floaters in both so somethimes I get a bit cross-eyed trying to read them. 
>  
> Please can you decipher the names of Victorina's parents? There seems to 
> be a Joann...
> His parents are on the first marriage record as Manuel de Sousa Machado 
> (or Mancebo) and Francisco Josefa. 
> Pity about the quality of this record. 
>  
> Regards
> Diane Donnon
> South Australia
>  
>  
>  
>
> On Sunday, 21 October 2012 13:49:42 UTC+10:30, Azoreanno wrote:
>
> Manuel de Sousa Mancebo married first to Perpetua Rosa November 26 1815. 
> Manuel married second to Vitorina Rosa Jan 19 1818, record here 
> http://culturacores. 
> azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_ digital/SJR-VL-URZELINA-C- 
> 1780-1843/SJR-VL-URZELINA-C- 
> 1780-1843_item1/P114.html
>
> They werent sisters
>
> Marcio Borba 
> Feel the Azores... visit http://azorean-roots.blogspot. 
> com
>
> --- Em *sáb, 20/10/12, Diane * escreveu:
>
>
> De: Diane 
> Assunto: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Please help with Perpetua Rosa again
> Para: azo...@googlegroups.com
> Data: Sábado, 20 de Outubro de 2012, 8:58
>
> Hi Marcio
>  
> thank you for the info. There is a bit of confusion about the generations 
> here but I believe I am on the right track.
>  
> My GGGrandfather Christiano Machado Pereira married twice - 2 sisters 
> Victorina Rosa and Perpetua Rosa (b 1825 and 1828).
> The parents of the two sisters were Manuel de Sousa Machado and Vitorina 
> de Jesus as per the marriage records.
>  
> I have been searching for the marriage of Manuel and Victorina (the 
> elder) prior to 1825 when Victorina (the younger) was born. and that's when 
>

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Please help with Perpetua Rosa again att. Diane

2012-10-21 Thread Marcio Borba 
Hi

Yes it is.
December 26 1785.Manuel de Sousa Machado son of Joao de Sousa Machado and Maria 
de JesusFrancisca Josefa daugther of Lucas Teixeira, deceased and Teresa de 
Jesus
Marcio Borba 
Feel the Azores... visit http://azorean-roots.blogspot.com

--- Em seg, 22/10/12, Diane  escreveu:

De: Diane 
Assunto: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Please help with Perpetua Rosa again
Para: azores@googlegroups.com
Data: Segunda-feira, 22 de Outubro de 2012, 1:04

I have been looking for the marriage of Manuel (the elder) with Francisca 
Josefa and came across this record. Could you please tell me if this 
very abbreviated groom's name is Manuel de Souza Machado. I am gradually 
learning to read the abbreviations but this would help. I don't think I can see 
the bride's name but this might be him having another marriage - which seems to 
run in the family. thank you 
Marcio http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-VL-URZELINA-C-1780-1843/SJR-VL-URZELINA-C-1780-1843_item1/P18.html  
On Sunday, 21 October 2012 19:27:55 UTC+10:30, Azoreanno  wrote:Back then It 
was normal for the same person to show diferent last names in diferent records. 
In this case Mancebo usually means son of another of the same name which is the 
case. Manuel de Sousa Mancebo son of Manuel de Sousa Machado. I bet there are 
records of your Manuel de Sousa MAncebo as Manuel de Sousa Machado. As for life 
style I would start with an online research

Marcio Borba 
Feel the Azores... visit http://azorean-roots.blogspot. com

--- Em dom, 21/10/12, Diane  escreveu:

De: Diane 
Assunto: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Please help with Perpetua Rosa again
Para:
 azo...@googlegroups.com
Data: Domingo, 21 de Outubro de 2012, 10:47

Thank you MarcioI am happy that you have been able to read those names for me. 
Do you think the surname of Manuel and his father is definitely Mancebo and not 
Machado? Can you tell me the best way of going about doing some research about 
the lifestyles of the people of Sao Jorge in those times? It would need to be 
in English.Now that I have so many more ancestors I would like to know more 
about the way they lived. RegardsDiane DonnonSouth Australia  
On Sunday, 21 October 2012 18:48:48 UTC+10:30, Azoreanno  wrote:Victorina's 
parents were João de Sousa de Freitas and Isabel de Jesus

Marcio Borba 
Feel the Azores... visit http://azorean-roots.blogspot. com

--- Em dom, 21/10/12, Diane  escreveu:

De: Diane 
Assunto: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Please help with Perpetua Rosa again
Para: azo...@googlegroups.com
Data: Domingo, 21 de Outubro de 2012, 7:10

 Thanks Rick. Well there goes that theory. I had looked at that record and not
 picked up the names. I have macular degeneration in one eye and floaters in 
both so somethimes I get a bit cross-eyed
 trying to read them.  Please can you decipher the names of Victorina's 
parents? There seems to be a Joann...His parents are on the first marriage 
record as Manuel de Sousa Machado (or Mancebo) and Francisco Josefa. Pity about 
the quality of this record.  RegardsDiane DonnonSouth Australia   
On Sunday, 21 October 2012 13:49:42 UTC+10:30, Azoreanno  wrote:Manuel de Sousa 
Mancebo married first to Perpetua Rosa November 26 1815. Manuel married second 
to Vitorina Rosa Jan 19
 1818, record here http://culturacores. azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_ 
digital/SJR-VL-URZELINA-C- 1780-1843/SJR-VL-URZELINA-C- 
1780-1843_item1/P114.html
They werent sisters

Marcio Borba 
Feel the Azores... visit http://azorean-roots.blogspot. com

--- Em sáb, 20/10/12, Diane  escreveu:

De: Diane 
Assunto: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Please help with Perpetua Rosa again
Para: azo...@googlegroups.com
Data: Sábado, 20 de Outubro de 2012, 8:58

Hi Marcio thank you for the info. There is a bit of confusion about the 
generations here but I believe I am on the right track. My GGGrandfather 
Christiano Machado Pereira married twice - 2 sisters Victorina Rosa and 
Perpetua Rosa (b 1825 and 1828).The parents of the two sisters were Manuel de 
Sousa Machado and Vitorina de Jesus as per the marriage records. I have been 
searching for the marriage of Manuel and Victorina (the elder) prior to 1825 
when Victorina (the younger) was born. and that's when I came across the 
marriage of Perpetua Rosa and Manuel de Sousa Machado in 1816 - as per the 
link. I figured this is too much of a co-incidence and now believe that 
randfather Manuel de Sousa Machado also married two sisters Perpetua Rosa 
and
 Victorina Rosa. Those female names are not all that common in the records. I 
haven't
 found the marriage (2nd marriage) of Manuel and Victorina (1) as yet but the 
same set of parents would confirm that they are also sisters. Does that make 
sense??  It's very exciting. thank  you to Pam too. Diane DonnonSouth 
Australia   
On Saturday, 20 October 2012 14:00:00 UTC+10:30, Azoreanno  wrote:i believe 
these are not your people since you are looking for the marriage of a Manuel de 
Sousa Mancebo and Victorina Rosa right?. The link is t