[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Naming of Expostos

2014-08-10 Thread Tomas Leal 

Another aspect of the expostos--and I don't know whether this has come up 
earlier or not, so please forgive my possible duplication--is something I 
learned on a short visit to Santa Maria last week (with Nancy Jean 
Baptiste, in fact!). Various pirate raids preceded some increases in the 
number of children left on the wheel. No doubt some rapes occurred during 
these raids, and the women probably abandoned the children rather than kept 
them as perhaps painful reminders or even because of the stigma the 
children might incur as the invaders' offspring.

Though I haven't seen evidence, I have heard stories, both in the Azores 
and from other countries such as Croatia, that the children resulting from 
rapes were officially abandoned and sometimes given to their birth mothers 
after they officially abandoned them. Thus, the mothers could in fact raise 
their own children (and, presumably, be able to nurse at the time) without 
the shame of having been raped or their children experiencing the stigma of 
bastards of pirate invaders. Life could go on almost as though nothing had 
happened.

However, I do suspect that everyone knew the real story, and the leaving of 
the child on the wheel and placement of the abandoned child with a wet 
nurse (the birth mother at times) was simply a device for maintaining 
social acceptance for the mother and gaining that acceptance for the child. 
Yes, many knew, but in time some would "forget" and others would be born 
never knowing the story. 

Today, there is much less public shame in having a baby without marriage or 
being a single mother, so it's easy to overlook the social repercussions 
that could occur in the past. However, things were not so different "in the 
old days." Girls did get pregnant without being married. Extra-marital 
affairs happened. Priests did not always mind their vows. Things happened, 
and villages needed a mechanism for keeping things going, which meant 
reinforcing the prevailing social standards no matter what actually 
happened. The wheel was both a salvation for an abandoned child but also a 
way for adults to maintain their positions in the village. Can you imagine 
how standards would have collapsed if the truth were ever publicly 
acknowledged and accepted?

Tomás

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Naming of Expostos

2014-08-10 Thread 'Susan Vargas Murphy' via Azores Genealogy 
I took a picture of one of these wheels when I was in Angra recently and it was 
very interesting to see.quite different from how I had imagined it. I 
always thought the wheel was flat like a wagon wheelhorizontal but it was 
like a box more flush with the outside wall. I have no clue how to get that 
picture from my iPhone to here as I tried to copy and paste it and that did not 
workmaybe I need to transfer it to my computer? Anyway, I am obviously 
technically challenged:) and will post if you can tell me how to do it;) 
Susan Vargas Murphy 

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Naming of Expostos

2014-08-10 Thread 'Susan Vargas Murphy' via Azores Genealogy 
I took a picture of one of these wheels when I was in Angra recently and it was 
very interesting to see.quite different from how I had imagined it. I 
always thought the wheel was flat like a wagon wheelhorizontal but it was 
like a box more flush with the outside wall. I have no clue how to get that 
picture from my iPhone to here as I tried to copy and paste it and that did not 
workmaybe I need to transfer it to my computer? Anyway, I am obviously 
technically challenged:) and will post if you can tell me how to do it;) 
Susan Vargas Murphy 

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Naming of Expostos

2014-08-10 Thread 'Susan Vargas Murphy' via Azores Genealogy 
I took a picture of one of these wheels when I was in Angra recently and it was 
very interesting to see.quite different from how I had imagined it. I 
always thought the wheel was flat like a wagon wheelhorizontal but it was 
like a box more flush with the outside wall. I have no clue how to get that 
picture from my iPhone to here as I tried to copy and paste it and that did not 
workmaybe I need to transfer it to my computer? Anyway, I am obviously 
technically challenged:) and will post if you can tell me how to do it;) 
Susan Vargas Murphy 

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Naming of Expostos

2014-08-10 Thread 'Susan Vargas Murphy' via Azores Genealogy 
I took a picture of one of these wheels when I was in Angra recently and it was 
very interesting to see.quite different from how I had imagined it. I 
always thought the wheel was flat like a wagon wheelhorizontal but it was 
like a box more flush with the outside wall. I have no clue how to get that 
picture from my iPhone to here as I tried to copy and paste it and that did not 
workmaybe I need to transfer it to my computer? Anyway, I am obviously 
technically challenged:) and will post if you can tell me how to do it;) 
Susan Vargas Murphy 

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Naming of Expostos

2014-08-10 Thread Herb and Judi Silva 
 Hi Susan One option is that you can email the pic  directly from your I phone.  Go to the camera button on your I phone, find the pic and tap it, then tap the up arrow just  below the pic, and wait a sec, then type in the  email address azores@googlegrous.com .  We would love to see it Herb  On 08/10/14, 'Susan Vargas Murphy' via Azores Genealogy wrote: I took a picture of one of these wheels when I was in Angra recently and it was very interesting to see.quite different from how I had imagined it. I always thought the wheel was flat like a wagon wheelhorizontal but it was like a box more flush with the outside wall. I have no clue how to get that picture from my iPhone to here as I tried to copy and paste it and that did not workmaybe I need to transfer it to my computer? Anyway, I am obviously technically challenged:) and will post if you can tell me how to do it;) Susan Vargas Murphy -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."--- You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group.To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/topic/azores/IZ_S7PgXa80/unsubscribe.To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to azores+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com.Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. 



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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Naming of Expostos

2014-08-10 Thread pico 
Don't give up, Susan!We know you're trying to upload it. :-)Doug da Rocha HolmesPico & Terceira Genealogist=Get ready for NFL Fantasy Football and join me in the newly created Azores Genealogist League. Still looking for more participants.Write me here for more info: n...@rochaholmes.com= 



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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Naming of Expostos

2014-08-10 Thread herb 
Amazing. Thank you Doug

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 10, 2014, at 11:50 AM,  wrote:
> 
> Here's the picture by Susan of the roda.
> 
> I am not certain I rotated it correctly. I think it's a vertical picture, but 
> if I have it wrong, just rotate it correctly or turn your head. :-)
> 
> Doug da Rocha Holmes
> Pico & Terceira Genealogist
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Naming of Expostos

2014-08-10 Thread pico 
Susan says I rotated and I shouldn't have. It should be rotated 90 degrees counter-clock wise.To me, that makes it like a water wheel. I guess you pull down to reveal the opening inside, or something.Doug da Rocha HolmesPico & Terceira Genealogist=Get ready for NFL Fantasy Football and join me in the newly created Azores Genealogist League. Still looking for more participants.Write me here for more info: n...@rochaholmes.com=


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Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Naming of Expostos
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Date: Sun, August 10, 2014 10:24 am
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Amazing. Thank you Doug  





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