Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Norte Grande - impressions
On Feb 21, 2012, at 12:22 PM, RoseG wrote: > Hi my ancestors are from Norte Grande and I was always told that > Ribeira d'Areia along with Santo Antonio belongs to the Norte Grande > Parish, That's right. There are also other "neighborhoods". Some documents list my ancestors as living in the lugar de Outeirão. While looking for that I found a listing of what appears to be the streets or neighborhoods of present day Norte Grande. http://www.portugalio.com/velas/norte-grande-neves/ Unfortunately, if you click on it the link, for example, for Outeirão, it takes you to a nice map--of an area of mainland Portugal with the same name. :( Same with Ribeira d'Areia. BUT the link for Faja da Ribeira d'Areia shows it as being on Sao Jorge. Hope someone can have fun with this. I did! Mary PS Rose, I have Bettencourts from Norte Grande in my ancestry, too. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Norte Grande - impressions
Hi my ancestors are from Norte Grande and I was always told that Ribeira d'Areia along with Santo Antonio belongs to the Norte Grande Parish, My mother is from Norte Grande, her father was Manuel Matos (who was known as "Silva the cheesemaker") My father was born in Ribeira d'Areia and is an Avila, his mother was from Norte Grande and is a Bettencourt. Rose On Feb 19, 9:16 am, joao ventura wrote: > After finishing the genealogy of Norte Grande, there are some impressions of > the village that I would like to share with the list. > > There are two independent communities: Norte Grande and Santo António. It is > like two different villages, who share a common church. The richer people > live in Norte Grande, while the poor live in Santo António. People from one > place don't usually marry someone from the other. > > I also found a single mother refered to as: prostitute. > > The number of slaves is not significant, but there are two brothers, former > slaves, that became free and one of them has descendants until today. > > There is an important remark on a single mother: the child was born in > Calheta and the grandfather took the baby to be baptized in Norte Grande > (middle of the 1600's) to avoid public shame, because he was related to the > important families of Calheta. Again social status playing an important role > in the community. > > João Ventura > Terceira -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Norte Grande - impressions
I usually find many records of children with unknown fathers and single mothers. Some of these women could be prostitutes, but I've never found this mentioned in the register. JS Lopes De: Duane Para: Azores Genealogy Enviadas: Segunda-feira, 20 de Fevereiro de 2012 18:57 Assunto: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Norte Grande - impressions On Feb 19, 9:16 am, joao ventura wrote:> I also found a single mother refered to as: prostitute. João, this is an interesting topic. Do you have a qualitative (or even quantitative) feel for how many illegitimate children were born in Norte Grande compared to the number of legitimates? I am asking, because I seem to run into a lot of supposedly single mothers in the lines I am studying (I have none in Norte Grande). It seems very common. Maybe it is just my family... ;> Duane -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Norte Grande - impressions
On Feb 19, 9:16 am, joao ventura wrote:> I also found a single mother refered to as: prostitute. João, this is an interesting topic. Do you have a qualitative (or even quantitative) feel for how many illegitimate children were born in Norte Grande compared to the number of legitimates? I am asking, because I seem to run into a lot of supposedly single mothers in the lines I am studying (I have none in Norte Grande). It seems very common. Maybe it is just my family... ;> Duane -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Norte Grande - impressions
Slaves came from Africa, particularly from the Portuguese colonies. There are more slaves in the bigger islands: Terceira and São Miguel and in the richer families. I don't think there were the sort of abbuse towards slaves that we see on movies. Many times, the godparents of slaves are people important in the village, also when they die there are ceremonies and masses for their soul. João Ventura Terceira From: m_kent To: Azores Genealogy Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2012 6:48 PM Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Norte Grande - impressions Thanks for providing this interesting background information. Where would the slaves have been from? Were slaves more common on some islands than others? Mary K On Feb 19, 12:16 pm, joao ventura wrote: > After finishing the genealogy of Norte Grande, there are some impressions of > the village that I would like to share with the list. > > There are two independent communities: Norte Grande and Santo António. It is > like two different villages, who share a common church. The richer people > live in Norte Grande, while the poor live in Santo António. People from one > place don't usually marry someone from the other. > > I also found a single mother refered to as: prostitute. > > The number of slaves is not significant, but there are two brothers, former > slaves, that became free and one of them has descendants until today. > > There is an important remark on a single mother: the child was born in > Calheta and the grandfather took the baby to be baptized in Norte Grande > (middle of the 1600's) to avoid public shame, because he was related to the > important families of Calheta. Again social status playing an important role > in the community. > > João Ventura > Terceira -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Norte Grande - impressions
Thanks for providing this interesting background information. Where would the slaves have been from? Were slaves more common on some islands than others? Mary K On Feb 19, 12:16 pm, joao ventura wrote: > After finishing the genealogy of Norte Grande, there are some impressions of > the village that I would like to share with the list. > > There are two independent communities: Norte Grande and Santo António. It is > like two different villages, who share a common church. The richer people > live in Norte Grande, while the poor live in Santo António. People from one > place don't usually marry someone from the other. > > I also found a single mother refered to as: prostitute. > > The number of slaves is not significant, but there are two brothers, former > slaves, that became free and one of them has descendants until today. > > There is an important remark on a single mother: the child was born in > Calheta and the grandfather took the baby to be baptized in Norte Grande > (middle of the 1600's) to avoid public shame, because he was related to the > important families of Calheta. Again social status playing an important role > in the community. > > João Ventura > Terceira -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."
