Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Off Subject - Finding Female Ancestors
Your welcome On Fri, Jul 13, 2012 at 11:05 AM, Sam Koester wrote: > I wanted to thank Patricia and Pam for their helpful suggestions. I know > this is the wrong list for this query and because of that want to ask > anyone else who might have further suggestions to please write me at my > personal email. sam...@surewest.netAny and all suggestions are > greatly appreciated. Sam in CA > > ** ** > > -- > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions > when they arrive. > For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail > (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the > right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my > membership." > -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Off Subject - Finding Female Ancestors
I wanted to thank Patricia and Pam for their helpful suggestions. I know this is the wrong list for this query and because of that want to ask anyone else who might have further suggestions to please write me at my personal email. sam...@surewest.netAny and all suggestions are greatly appreciated. Sam in CA -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Off Subject - Finding Female Ancestors
Hi, Sam -- It appears that Henry Wagner was with St. Henry's in Chicago. Info about the church, found at http://www.davidafortmanancestors.com/Genealogy/showmedia.php?mediaID=5&medialinkID=46 , is pasted below. Good luck! Kind regards, Patricia St. Henry's Catholic Church #3, the East Facade, Ridge & Devon, Chicago, IL. Completed,1905. Church # 1 was a single-room single-story wooden building built in 1851 by the Prussian Heritage German speaking Catholic Community. An examination of gravestone names confirms this Prussian Heritage. This Church served the growing Catholic Community for 20 years. Prior to this Church, Catholic Mass and services were celebrated by Fr. Fortmann, a traveling missionary priest, in the 2-story wooden frame home of Peter Schmidt Smith(Jr) at 6816 Ridge Trail, (a sandy Indian Trail leading to Green Bay Trail that went to Milwaukee). This house was about 1 mile North of the Church's location. Church # 2, a steepled wood Gothic style, was built in 1871, at a cost of $10,000 and utilized until Church #3 was completed in 1905. It served for 34 years. The Cemetery adjacent to Church #3 was established in 1863. Many of the early German residents rest here. A plot cost $6.00 then. Today the Church charges $1300 for decendents to open a grave on a 144 year old family site if one can overcome the bureaucratic hurdles and legalisns of today's Church. Burials prior to 1863 were either "on the farm" or in the City Cemetery that is now Lincoln Park. That City cemetery was closed and almost all residents were reinterred to Calvary Cemetery (Catholic) or Rosehill Cemetery if Protestant. It is also apparent that the recording of Children's Burials was not rigorously applied. The accuracy of Children's burials appears to have improved about 1960. Records prior to 1960 and earlier omit many children's burial records since they were probably performed by undertakers without a concern for Cemetery records. The recording of Adult Burial dates appears accurate since 1863 and correlation with Census data after about 1880 improves. Current Catholic burial records were moved in 2004 from St Boniface Cemetery to Calvary Cemetery in Evanston, IL. The original "Books of Record" for funerals, (the accuracy responsibility beng that of Pastors until about 1930), has since been taken over by Archdiocosean Personnel. These original records were of course in German until about 1920 and then a "translation" transpired in the '30's and of course the error factor immediately grew. Finding and obtaining access to a "Book of Original Record" can be a daunting task. The whereabouts of these original records of St. Henry's is at this time an open question. In about 1928 Cardinal Mundeline gave Church #3 to the Angel Guardian Orphanage. This infuriated the Congregation. The Pastor, Fr. Rittersoph, asked for and received reassignment, stating he could "no longer hold up my head" to his parishoners in light of this heavy handed action. The parishoners had just finished paying off the mortgage the previous year. The parishoners were given a small piece of land a block west on Hoyne Ave to construct the current two story fortress style Church. The second floor was the grammar school. This Church #4, a small stone block building, served as St Henry's Church from 1928 to today. It's parishoners grew but peaked in 1952. With middle-class flight to the suburbs beginning in the 60's; the parish stagnated in the 80's; declined in the 90's and is currently utilized by a small Catholic Vietnamese Congregation and Pastor. It's school is closed. The fruits of "multiculturism" in Rogers Park have decimated a once vibrant Catholic Church. A sad ending to a great beginning. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Off Subject - Finding Female Ancestors
Yes check churches in the town they were from. I wrote to a church in San Francisco once for a marriage in 1874 and they had the record with the parents name. It was a Catholic church though, really haven't done any research on any other churches in different religions. Have you checked the Dawes rolls? I don't remember exactly what is on them, its been too long ago when I was trying to find an ancestor who was half Indian. On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 10:50 PM, Sam Koester wrote: > Oh shoot! Sorry, that was supposed to go directly to Cheri! Apologies, > Sam > > -- > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions > when they arrive. > For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail > (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the > right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my > membership." > -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Off Subject - Finding Female Ancestors
Oh shoot! Sorry, that was supposed to go directly to Cheri! Apologies, Sam -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Off Subject - Finding Female Ancestors
Hi Cheri; The one line I have not been able to trace is my husband's elusive great grandmother, Marie Catherine Fisher/Fischer was her maiden name according to the records I have found. She married Joseph John Weseley on 2 Dec. 1877 in Chicago, IL by a Henry Wagner, Minister of the Gospel. I have the marriage license. She died 22 Sep 1888 in Chicago, IL. I am currently waiting for her death certificate to arrive but; since it was somewhat shameful to be Indian at that point in our history, I'm not sure if I can believe what it says when it comes to nationality, if it says anything. My husband's father always said they didn't speak much of the Indian heritage because it was not considered a good thing! I have the family in the 1880 census where it says she was born in Indiana of German parents. All of her children were born in Chicago, IL. I have all of their birth records. 1st child's record says the mother's, Mary Fisher's, nationality was Bohemian, birth place is blank. 2nd child's says mother's nationality was Indien (their spelling), birth place is blank. 3rd says nationality Bohemian, no birth place. 4th says nationality Bohemian and birth place: Bohemia. 5th says nationality German, no birth place but; gives mother's name as Merry Tieschen. I just found this one today. Never heard this name before. There are several places in Europe; Austria, Moravia, etc., named Tieschen.. 6th says nationality and birth place: German. Death certificate for #1: don't have Death certificate for #2: don't have Death certificate for #3: don't have Death certificate for #4, says she was born in Indiana Death certificate for #5 says mother was born in Indiana Death certificate for #6 doesn't give birth place of mother I thought I had one other document that said she was Indian but; I haven't been able to locate it. If I were able to figure out what church they attended, do you think there is any chance they would have records that would give her birth information? Records indicate she was born in Germany, Bohemia, Indiana or that is was Indian. Thanks for any ideas, Sam From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Cheri Mello Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2012 8:58 AM To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Off Subject - Finding Female Ancestors Sam, The primary source info has the most weight. A primary source is something that was generated at the the time of the event (a birth off of a birth certificate, a death off of a death certificate). Secondary sources have less weight (the birth date from the death certificate, for example). Technically, a census only puts a particular person in a particular place at a particular time. Other than that, it's more of a secondary source. Send me (off list) a detailed report on her from your genealogy program (b, m, d, all the censuses and kids' stuff). I'll take a look at it this weekend. I'm still in contact with one of the Nat. Amer. guys from our old AOL Chat days. He might be a good resource too. Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Off Subject - Finding Female Ancestors
Sam, The primary source info has the most weight. A primary source is something that was generated at the the time of the event (a birth off of a birth certificate, a death off of a death certificate). Secondary sources have less weight (the birth date from the death certificate, for example). Technically, a census only puts a particular person in a particular place at a particular time. Other than that, it's more of a secondary source. Send me (off list) a detailed report on her from your genealogy program (b, m, d, all the censuses and kids' stuff). I'll take a look at it this weekend. I'm still in contact with one of the Nat. Amer. guys from our old AOL Chat days. He might be a good resource too. Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Off Subject - Finding Female Ancestors
I feel your pain Sam. I have one female ancestor who's stumped me too! She left her spouse around 1942 and was never seen from again. Good luck! Robin Borba Besotes On Wednesday, July 11, 2012 7:42:38 PM UTC-7, Sam Koester wrote: > > Hello group, I hope I am not showing poor etiquette in asking this > question on this list. If I am, I apologize. > > > > My question is: How do you trace the ancestors of a female ancestor when > all you have is her name, approx. year of birth, death date and burial > place, marriage certificate, a number of census’s and the birth info. on > all her children? > > -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."
