[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Sao Miguel to Brazil before 1875...Passport records or Passenger lists?

[Aaron Pereira]

   Hello,
Here is a link to immigrant records for Sao Paulo, but I think it starts at 
1880...I know that's of  no use to you regarding Manuel.  If nothing else, 
it's another resource to add to your list for future use.

 here is a link to the Immigrant Ships Transcribers Guild:   
http://www.immigrantships.net/ISTG has a huge collection of passenger 
manifest lists.  

If I find any other websites related to this, I will post them here.  Good 
luck

  

On Friday, March 7, 2014 11:15:25 PM UTC-8, Terri wrote:
>
> I have an ancestor from Vila Franca do Campo that married in August 1874. 
> His marriage record said that his father, Manuel Pimentel Andrade was 'away 
> in Brazil'.  The CCA site has passport records starting at 1875 (of course 
> only one year AFTER the year I need to look up...) So CCA site is out. Is 
> there any way to find the passenger ship list maybe on a Brazilian site 
> somwhere for when he might have arrived in Brazil if I can't when he left 
> the Azores?
>  
> Terri Santos 
> Researching Agua d'Alto, Agua de Pau, Ginetes, Vila Franca do Campo
>

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Sao Miguel to Brazil before 1875...Passport records or Passenger lists?

[Terri]

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> Thanks Aaron.  
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Sao Miguel to Brazil before 1875...Passport records or Passenger lists?

[Isabella Baltar]

Terri,

Don't be discouraged about the passport of your ancestor. The date that is 
online, 1875, is not a limit for your search in finding your ancestor 
passport. 

You can find record books of those requesting a passport and, maybe 
passports, back to 1840 in Azores. I researched at BPARAH, in Terceira, and 
had on my hands books with records going back to the 1840's decade. The 
oldest passport that I have dates from 1861 and I got it there and it is 
from one of my Azores ancestors, my great great grandmother that left 
Terceira island to go to Rio de Janeiro, Brazil. After having it on my 
hands and analyzing all the information (they have several pages), I was 
able to do my research in Brazil and learn more about her. Usually the 
passport contains the name of the city that they are going to, and 
sometimes the ticket they bought with the ship name.

At that time, several important ports were used in Brazil - Recife, 
Salvador, Rio de Janeiro and Santos - where hundred thousands of Portuguese 
people arrived. It will be much easier if you try to contact the 
Archives/Library in São Miguel and request a search on his passport so you 
will know which one was the port of arrival, in Brazil, that your ancestors 
went.

Isabella Baltar
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On Saturday, March 8, 2014 2:15:25 AM UTC-5, Terri wrote:
>
> I have an ancestor from Vila Franca do Campo that married in August 1874. 
> His marriage record said that his father, Manuel Pimentel Andrade was 'away 
> in Brazil'.  The CCA site has passport records starting at 1875 (of course 
> only one year AFTER the year I need to look up...) So CCA site is out. Is 
> there any way to find the passenger ship list maybe on a Brazilian site 
> somwhere for when he might have arrived in Brazil if I can't when he left 
> the Azores?
>  
> Terri Santos 
> Researching Agua d'Alto, Agua de Pau, Ginetes, Vila Franca do Campo
>

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Sao Miguel to Brazil before 1875...Passport records or Passenger lists?

[Cheri Mello]

Isabella,

There are no passaportes records in existence for Sao Miguel island
pre-1875.  Each port has different records in existence.

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Sao Miguel to Brazil before 1875...Passport records or Passenger lists?

[Isabella Baltar]

Cheri and all,


I checked a few photos I have from different passport request book and 
attached one of them that may help. I understand that the island records 
may vary, but I remember reading the records at BPARAH and noticed that 
several people from other islands were at Angra do Heroismo requesting 
passports, mainly Graciosa, Pico and S. Jorge, besides Terceira. 

In the photo I attached you will see a request from José Lourenço, São 
Miguel island. I'm sure you will find others from São Miguel. This request 
from São Miguel is for the year of 1854 and it is at BPARAH. 

I think it is worth a try checking with them. 

Isabella Baltar
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On Monday, March 10, 2014 12:29:50 AM UTC-4, Cheri Mello wrote:
>
> Isabella,
>
> There are no passaportes records in existence for Sao Miguel island 
> pre-1875.  Each port has different records in existence.
>
>

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Sao Miguel to Brazil before 1875...Passport records or Passenger lists?

[Cheri Mello]

Isabella,

There are 3 ports in the Azores.  Ponta Delgada on Sao Miguel, Angra on
Terceira, and Faial on Horta.

The vast majority of people left from their home port.  Most people from
Santa Maria and Sao Miguel island left from Ponta Delgada.  Yes, every once
in a while I will see someone from Sao Jorge or some other island leaving
from Ponta Delgada instead of their home port.  I just figured that they
really needed to get to the next ship sailing out.

The only exception was for those traveling to Hawaii.  You had to sail out
of Ponta Delgada, regardless of whichever island you were from.  Not many
did that.  An overwhelming portion of Portuguese that went to Hawaii were
from Sao Miguel (and Madeira, since recruiting was done there too).

I'd have to look at a map, but I would think that the home port to Angra
would be people from Terceira, Graciosa, and Sao Jorge and that home port
to Horta would be Faial, Pico, Flores, and Corvo.  People who have worked
those records extensively would have a better idea of where most came from.

Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas,
Achada

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Sao Miguel to Brazil before 1875...Passport records or Passenger lists?

[Isabella Baltar]

Thanks for all the explanation, Cheri. 
 
I was checking more about this and noticed that 1832 was the year that the 
Civil Government started, that is why we had those 3 ports you mentioned, 
Ponta Delgada, Angra and Horta. 
 
After reading what you mentioned it makes me wonder that the ship companies 
were probably the ones who estabilished leaving routes to this or that 
country from this and that island. Lets say, people who wanted to come to 
Brazil had to go to Angra and leave from there, I'm just guessing. I have 
to check more on that.
 
Isabella Baltar
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On Monday, March 10, 2014 10:06:40 AM UTC-4, Cheri Mello wrote:

> Isabella,
>
> There are 3 ports in the Azores.  Ponta Delgada on Sao Miguel, Angra on 
> Terceira, and Faial on Horta.
>
> The vast majority of people left from their home port.  Most people from 
> Santa Maria and Sao Miguel island left from Ponta Delgada.  Yes, every once 
> in a while I will see someone from Sao Jorge or some other island leaving 
> from Ponta Delgada instead of their home port.  I just figured that they 
> really needed to get to the next ship sailing out.
>
> The only exception was for those traveling to Hawaii.  You had to sail out 
> of Ponta Delgada, regardless of whichever island you were from.  Not many 
> did that.  An overwhelming portion of Portuguese that went to Hawaii were 
> from Sao Miguel (and Madeira, since recruiting was done there too).
>
> I'd have to look at a map, but I would think that the home port to Angra 
> would be people from Terceira, Graciosa, and Sao Jorge and that home port 
> to Horta would be Faial, Pico, Flores, and Corvo.  People who have worked 
> those records extensively would have a better idea of where most came from.
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das 
> Tainhas, Achada 
>

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