[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: da Rosa in San Juan Bautista CA

[Besotes]

Al Sequeira and Mary Anne Rose 



I would love to connect more with you.  In Hollister, I have a cousin who is 
the granddaughter of Joseph da Rosa.  We met several years ago when she was 
into genealogy too.  I've recently contacted her about a month ago and she 
indicated she hasn't had much time to do any research she probably 20 yrs my 
senior.  Her grandfather Joseph da Rosa and my great-grandmother Mariana were 
brother and sister. Mariana was a twin and her twin passed away shortly after 
birth - I don't have any confirmation of the twin's death date or my 
great-grandmother's date of death or where she or the twin are buried for that 
matter.  I'm guessing either at the Mission San Juan Bautista or their ranch.  
I didn't find her at the Catholic church in Hollister.  

 

Please accept my apology for the delay in replying back to both your posts.  
I've been doing a temporary assignment and have been swamped - More than likely 
for one more month.  Today was my first day being able to review my records.  
On the 1880 San benito, San Juan Bautista Township census record I have Joseph 
born in 1876 being 4 years old and Mariana, age 1.  In addition, there's a 
Maria Boniaucio (sp) as a step-daughter born in Mass. who we all knew as Mary 
Brown and a Mother-in-law, Mariana J. Rodriguez and Brother-in-law, Antonio 
Jacinto.  They would be my gggrandmother's mother and brother.  There's also a 
Manuel Rosa (age 35) who's on the upper portion of the same page, listed from 
the Azores, married (no wife listed) and he's the partner of Jose' Dutra.  Not 
sure if this helps you Mary Ann and if this is your Manuel Rosa as well.  

 

Yes, Mary Anne Rose, San Juan Bautista!  It's a beautiful area.  My 
great-grandparents were married at Mission San Juan Bautista.  When our son was 
in 4th grade and was choosing his California Mission Project for school, he 
chose this mission.  Back then we visited San Juan Bautista, stayed the night 
and then toured the mission so he could have a better understanding of his 
project and also where his g-g-g grandparents lived, etc.  

 

I've often wondered why (Daniel) Francisco da Rosa came to the Tres Penos/San 
Juan Bautista area.  With the information you mentioned about your Anthony 
Lawrence Rose, maybe this could be the reason.  Having Portuguese descendants 
on both sides of my family, I constantly feel like I'm juggling back and forth 
between them doing research.  My grandparents have now passed away and I 
inherited my Grandmother's genealogy papers, so I'm trying to piece everything 
together. I was fortunate to be able to research with her (and my mother too).  
Since I don't watch football - I think I'll ask my mother to bring her 
genealogy papers next Super bowl weekend, so we have something productive to 
do. :)  I'll keep a look out for any Manuel Rosa and Francisco de Rosa 
relationships.  Come to think of it, I have many newspaper obits, I'll read 
over them to see if there's any mention of Manuel.  

 

In the Superior Court record for Francisco da Rosa's will (Joseph De Rosa 
father) is stated that Francisco died on April 20, 1894 in San Benito County.  
I also have a copy of his marriage record in San Benito county to his first 
wife, Louisa Jacinto-Garcia (don't know where the Garcia comes into play).  
Louisa passed away after birthing the twins.  He then married her niece, 
Philomena and they went on to have five more children. 

 

Best regards,  

Robin (Borba) Besotes

 


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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: da Rosa in San Juan Bautista CA

[Carol Price]

I'd bet we're cousins too. My great-grandfather Manuel da Rosa was a miner in 
Pike, Sierra County in the 1880's. There if my recall from memory is  right (I 
am at work right now) his marriage certificate by the judge lists "Gracia" as a 
witness and later an infant (I'm guessing a twin) named Joseph da Rosa. Where 
he went after about 1894 or so is a mystery. His wife lists as a "widow Ruiz" 
in 1900. Don't know if she and Manuel split up but he was still alive, maybe 
went back to his home island, but now I can add San Benito to my searching. One 
immigration record looked like he at least came through Faial.

From: bigal...@aol.com
Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2009 10:20:54 -0500
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: da Rosa in San Juan Bautista CA
To: maryanne_r...@msn.com; Azores@googlegroups.com








Hi Maryanne
On this note you have written that I have a Joseph da Rosa born oct 23 
1877. I have over 6000 names on my data base with none born oct 23 1877. I have 
used the data base from the Azores which you mentioned extensively. I also 
belong to a online group which deals mainly with the Azores. The group address 
is  azo...@googlegroups.com. 
You can ask them to be included and that's all it takes. Send me your phone 
number so I can talk to you
 
Al Sequeira
 

In a message dated 1/13/2009 5:47:34 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, 
maryanne_r...@msn.com writes:

  Hello,
   
  Old immigrant communities. San Juan Bautista? 
  
   
  My name is Mary Anne Rose and I have been doing 
  genealogical research on my da Rosa family since perhaps 2003, my cousin 
David 
  Wilson (b. 1940) got involved when he was in sixth grade and interviewed 
  my grandfather about his family, cousins, etc which is hugely 
  helpful. David's  mother visited the Azores long before we did in 
  2005, finding our great grandparents marriage certificate in the Archives in 
  Horal, Faial. 
   
  But I am more creative at internet research than 
  he. . . so I was able to build upon their research in different ways. And 
thus 
  I am contacting you. You have a 
   
  Joseph da Roza born 
  23 Oct 
  1877 
San Juan 
  Bautista, San 
  Benito, 
  CA 
  
   
  Bottom line, our grandfather Anthony Lawrence 
  Rose (christened Hollister CA in April 15, 1883) was of Azorean descent. His 
  godmother was Hyacintha Serpa, according to the priest, which my research 
  leads to connections to your family. i.e. Jacinta "jessy" de 
  Serpa.
   
  My grandfather's sister Minnie married Joseph 
  Elmer Serpa (November 1874 - 1938), they had a son Elmer - who was my dad's 
  first cousin and I remember visiting cousin Elmer and his sons in 
  Willow Glen area of san jose, CA. Minnie and Joe Serpa are buried in St. 
  Mary's Cemetery in Gilroy. My great grandmother Rosa Gomes da Conceicao born 
  in Cedros, Faial,  lived with them after her husband died in 1913 
  and she died about 1934. Her brother was Joseph Gomes who married Rosa da 
  Conceicao (Garcia da Rosa) and they lived with their large family near 
  Hollister. You have them listed in the tree notes somewhere as well. 
  
   
  In any case, it was a very small Azorean 
  community in San Juan bautista and Hollister in San Juan Bautista. I have not 
  been able to make a connection with the other da Rosa family from the 
  area, but if they came at the same time as my great grandfather Manuel 
  Francisco da Rosa, I am sure they must be cousins, etc. My aunt told me he 
  left Faial about 1864 on a whaling ship and returned to Faial in 1975 to 
marry 
  his sweetheart in the village. I believe they came from Cascalho, Cedros in 
  Faial. My research at the Archives in Horta bore out much of the family 
  history. 
   
  On line there is much more available, though I 
  believe there to be transcription errors in this: If the link does 
  not work you can connect to the site through azores genweb, which is 
  where I found this. Took my family back 24 generations.
   
  http://sarmento.eng.uminho.pt/cgi-bin/geneweb?b=CEDROS;lang=en
   
  So I will not write more until I find that you 
  are still interested in this research, or that this email still is valid. 
  I  live in Manhattan in New York, so I am on the East Coast. My 
  California research has involved my visits "home." And then to 
  Faial.
   
  Sincerely,
   
  Mary Anne 
Rose


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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: da Rosa in San Juan Bautista CA

[Patricia Butcher]

Hi Al,
Thanks for posting Mary Anne's email. I found another cousin!!
Take care...

Cousin Patricia

At 07:20 AM 1/17/2009, you wrote:
>Hi Maryanne
>On this note you have written that I have a Joseph da Rosa born oct 
>23 1877. I have over 6000 names on my data base with none born oct 
>23 1877. I have used the data base from the Azores which you 
>mentioned extensively. I also belong to a online group which deals 
>mainly with the Azores. The group address 
>is  azo...@googlegroups.com. You can 
>ask them to be included and that's all it takes. Send me your phone 
>number so I can talk to you
>
>Al Sequeira
>
>In a message dated 1/13/2009 5:47:34 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, 
>maryanne_r...@msn.com writes:
>Hello,
>
>Old immigrant communities. San Juan Bautista?
>
>My name is Mary Anne Rose and I have been doing genealogical 
>research on my da Rosa family since perhaps 2003, my cousin David 
>Wilson (b. 1940) got involved when he was in sixth grade and 
>interviewed my grandfather about his family, cousins, etc which is 
>hugely helpful. David's  mother visited the Azores long before we 
>did in 2005, finding our great grandparents marriage certificate in 
>the Archives in Horal, Faial.
>
>But I am more creative at internet research than he. . . so I was 
>able to build upon their research in different ways. And thus I am 
>contacting you. You have a
>
>Joseph da Roza born
>
>23 Oct 1877
>San Juan Bautista, San Benito, CA
>
>Bottom line, our grandfather Anthony Lawrence Rose (christened 
>Hollister CA in April 15, 1883) was of Azorean descent. His 
>godmother was Hyacintha Serpa, according to the priest, which my 
>research leads to connections to your family. i.e. Jacinta "jessy" de Serpa.
>
>My grandfather's sister Minnie married Joseph Elmer Serpa (November 
>1874 - 1938), they had a son Elmer - who was my dad's first cousin 
>and I remember visiting cousin Elmer and his sons in Willow Glen 
>area of san jose, CA. Minnie and Joe Serpa are buried in St. Mary's 
>Cemetery in Gilroy. My great grandmother Rosa Gomes da Conceicao 
>born in Cedros, Faial,  lived with them after her husband died in 
>1913 and she died about 1934. Her brother was Joseph Gomes who 
>married Rosa da Conceicao (Garcia da Rosa) and they lived with their 
>large family near Hollister. You have them listed in the tree notes 
>somewhere as well.
>
>In any case, it was a very small Azorean community in San Juan 
>bautista and Hollister in San Juan Bautista. I have not been able to 
>make a connection with the other da Rosa family from the area, but 
>if they came at the same time as my great grandfather Manuel 
>Francisco da Rosa, I am sure they must be cousins, etc. My aunt told 
>me he left Faial about 1864 on a whaling ship and returned to Faial 
>in 1975 to marry his sweetheart in the village. I believe they came 
>from Cascalho, Cedros in Faial. My research at the Archives in Horta 
>bore out much of the family history.
>
>On line there is much more available, though I believe there to be 
>transcription errors in this: If the link does not work you can 
>connect to the site through azores genweb, which is where I found 
>this. Took my family back 24 generations.
>
>http://sarmento.eng.uminho.pt/cgi-bin/geneweb?b=CEDROS;lang=en
>
>So I will not write more until I find that you are still interested 
>in this research, or that this email still is valid. I  live in 
>Manhattan in New York, so I am on the East Coast. My California 
>research has involved my visits "home." And then to Faial.
>
>Sincerely,
>
>Mary Anne Rose
>
>
>
>
>
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: da Rosa in San Juan Bautista CA

[Bigal429]

Hi Maryanne
On this note you have written that I have a Joseph da Rosa born oct 23  1877. 
I have over 6000 names on my data base with none born oct 23 1877. I have  
used the data base from the Azores which you mentioned extensively. I also  
belong to a online group which deals mainly with the Azores. The group address  
is 
 _azo...@googlegroups.com_ (mailto:Azores@googlegroups.com) .  You can ask 
them to be included and that's all it takes. Send me your phone  number so I 
can 
talk to you
 
Al Sequeira
 
 
In a message dated 1/13/2009 5:47:34 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
maryanne_r...@msn.com writes:

Hello,
 
Old immigrant communities. San Juan Bautista?  

My name is Mary Anne Rose and I have been doing  genealogical research on my 
da Rosa family since perhaps 2003, my cousin David  Wilson (b. 1940) got 
involved when he was in sixth grade and interviewed  my grandfather about his 
family, cousins, etc which is hugely  helpful. David's  mother visited the 
Azores 
long before we did in  2005, finding our great grandparents marriage 
certificate in the Archives in  Horal, Faial. 
 
But I am more creative at internet research than  he. . . so I was able to 
build upon their research in different ways. And thus  I am contacting you. You 
have a 
 
Joseph da Roza born 
23 Oct  1877 
San Juan  Bautista, San  Benito,  CA   

Bottom line, our grandfather Anthony Lawrence  Rose (christened Hollister CA 
in April 15, 1883) was of Azorean descent. His  godmother was Hyacintha Serpa, 
according to the priest, which my research  leads to connections to your 
family. i.e. Jacinta "jessy" de  Serpa.
 
My grandfather's sister Minnie married Joseph  Elmer Serpa (November 1874 - 
1938), they had a son Elmer - who was my dad's  first cousin and I remember 
visiting cousin Elmer and his sons in  Willow Glen area of san jose, CA. Minnie 
and Joe Serpa are buried in St.  Mary's Cemetery in Gilroy. My great 
grandmother Rosa Gomes da Conceicao born  in Cedros, Faial,  lived with them 
after her 
husband died in 1913  and she died about 1934. Her brother was Joseph Gomes who 
married Rosa da  Conceicao (Garcia da Rosa) and they lived with their large 
family near  Hollister. You have them listed in the tree notes somewhere as 
well.  

In any case, it was a very small Azorean  community in San Juan bautista and 
Hollister in San Juan Bautista. I have not  been able to make a connection 
with the other da Rosa family from the  area, but if they came at the same time 
as my great grandfather Manuel  Francisco da Rosa, I am sure they must be 
cousins, etc. My aunt told me he  left Faial about 1864 on a whaling ship and 
returned to Faial in 1975 to marry  his sweetheart in the village. I believe 
they 
came from Cascalho, Cedros in  Faial. My research at the Archives in Horta bore 
out much of the family  history. 
 
On line there is much more available, though I  believe there to be 
transcription errors in this: If the link does  not work you can connect to the 
site 
through azores genweb, which is  where I found this. Took my family back 24 
generations.
 
_http://sarmento.eng.uminho.pt/cgi-bin/geneweb?b=CEDROS;lang=en_ 
(http://sarmento.eng.uminho.pt/cgi-bin/geneweb?b=CEDROS;lang=en) 
 
So I will not write more until I find that you  are still interested in this 
research, or that this email still is valid.  I  live in Manhattan in New 
York, so I am on the East Coast. My  California research has involved my visits 
"home." And then to  Faial.
 
Sincerely,
 
Mary Anne  Rose


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