Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] SSDI Records
Tish Being a citizen or not did/does not enter into the problem at all. Most records prior to 1954 on not in the database, if SSA was not notified it is not there, if benefits were not paid out it may not be there. Rosemarie - Original Message - From: Tish Meals To: azores@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2010 3:25 PM Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] SSDI Records Here is my two cents. I know my grandfather had a social security card, because I have it. When I tried to look up the record I find it isn't in the database. He was never a citizen, maybe that is why some of the records are not available. sfig On Sat, Jan 2, 2010 at 10:33 AM, Cheri Mello wrote: Kim, Your step-sister didn't qualify for the one time death benefit. I believe it goes to the spouse only. Obtaining the death benefit (at least now) has nothing to do with the SSDI. Both of my grandparents (d. 1992) are listed and I think only one had the benefit paid. Both deaths were reported to Social Security. I think it's probably required by law to report the death, because I'm pretty sure it's illegal to try to cash the deceased's SS check. So I think that people now appear in the SSDI when their death is reported to the SSA. Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." -- sfig -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] SSDI Records
Here is my two cents. I know my grandfather had a social security card, because I have it. When I tried to look up the record I find it isn't in the database. He was never a citizen, maybe that is why some of the records are not available. sfig On Sat, Jan 2, 2010 at 10:33 AM, Cheri Mello wrote: > Kim, > > Your step-sister didn't qualify for the one time death benefit. I believe > it goes to the spouse only. > > Obtaining the death benefit (at least now) has nothing to do with the > SSDI. Both of my grandparents (d. 1992) are listed and I think only one had > the benefit paid. Both deaths were reported to Social Security. I think > it's probably required by law to report the death, because I'm pretty sure > it's illegal to try to cash the deceased's SS check. So I think that people > now appear in the SSDI when their death is reported to the SSA. > > Cheri Mello > Listowner, Azores-Gen > Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, > Achada > > -- > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. > For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail > (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right > that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." -- sfig -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] SSDI Records
Kim, Your step-sister didn't qualify for the one time death benefit. I believe it goes to the spouse only. Obtaining the death benefit (at least now) has nothing to do with the SSDI. Both of my grandparents (d. 1992) are listed and I think only one had the benefit paid. Both deaths were reported to Social Security. I think it's probably required by law to report the death, because I'm pretty sure it's illegal to try to cash the deceased's SS check. So I think that people now appear in the SSDI when their death is reported to the SSA. Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] SSDI Records
"E" I don't know what the odds are but I can tell you that the record I just got for my grandfather a few weeks ago didn't offer much useful information. He applied for his # in 1936. All it said for where he was from was the Azores. As with a lot of the research, you never know what you're going to get. If I remember correctly, it was $27. Jacki Pittsburg, California, USA Researching: Medeiros, Fernandes, Pacheco, Machado, Perriera, Azevedo Islands: Faial & Sao Miguel _ From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azo...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of "E" Sharp Sent: Thursday, December 31, 2009 10:28 AM To: azores Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] SSDI Records If someone died in 1953, at age 88, what are the chances that he will have a Social Security number? He is not listed on SSDI and I hesitate to spend $29 (or whatever it is these days without a number) ordering a record if one does not exist. Thanks, "E" -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] SSDI Records
Hi Elaine, When my stepmother died in October 2007 my stepsister was taking care of all of her financial affairs. I looked my stepmother up on the social security death index and she didn't pop up because my step sister didn't apply for the one time death benefit of I think $255.00 because she didn't know about it. I told my stepsister about the one time death benefit that she was entitled to it because she took care of the arrangements. When my stepsister applied for my stepmothers one time death benefit I ran my stepmothers name then she popped up under the deaths. So if you don't apply for the death benefit then you won't come up on the social security death records on ancestry as I experienced. Kim From: ""E" Sharp" To: azores@googlegroups.com Sent: Thu, December 31, 2009 2:56:48 PM Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] SSDI Records Thanks, one and all. In 1930, census he is 66 and no occupation listed. Prior to that he was a farmer so I have a feeling he never paid into SSDI so will abandon that resource for now. I have written to the funeral home to see if they might have this information. Next, I will try the church he attended. If that fails, I will send for his death record. I thought the SSDI would have been the best resource as that would have been something he would have filled out. "E" -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] SSDI Records
Thanks, one and all. In 1930, census he is 66 and no occupation listed. Prior to that he was a farmer so I have a feeling he never paid into SSDI so will abandon that resource for now. I have written to the funeral home to see if they might have this information. Next, I will try the church he attended. If that fails, I will send for his death record. I thought the SSDI would have been the best resource as that would have been something he would have filled out. "E" -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] SSDI Records
Elaine Most of the death records prior to 1954 in the SSDI are not on the death index. You take your chances with requesting the record but if you have no other document that shows the parents it may be your only way. If your grandfather was 88 when he died he may never have had a card. The SSA started issuing cards in 1937 which would have made him only 51 so unless he was employed by the railroads or was selfemployed he probably would have filed for a card. Rosemarie - Original Message - From: "E" Sharp To: azores Sent: Thursday, December 31, 2009 10:27 AM Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] SSDI Records If someone died in 1953, at age 88, what are the chances that he will have a Social Security number? He is not listed on SSDI and I hesitate to spend $29 (or whatever it is these days without a number) ordering a record if one does not exist. Thanks, "E" -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] SSDI Records
Elaine, If the person is NOT in the SSDI (especially around your time period), it may mean that the benefits were not paid out. Also, what was his occupation? Social Security did not cover the self-employed until 1955. There's also the SSA 9638, too. Here's my excerpt on Social Security from the Azores Genweb (don't know if the fees are current): *3. Social Security Records *If your immigrant ancestor received Social Security, you may write and get the form that they used to apply for Social Security. The form, the SS 5 contains the following: 1) full name, 2) mailing address, 3) full given name at time of birth, 4) age at last birthday, 5) date of birth, 6) place of birth (city, county, state), 7) father's full name regardless of living or dead, 8) mother's full name regardless of living or dead, 9) sex, 10) color or race, 11) if ever had Social Security or railroad retirement, if yes, state and number, 12) business name and address, 13) the date, 14) signature. This form cost $27 if you know the Social Security number (you can get that off of the death certificate or from the Social Security Death Index at your local FHC or online at: http://ssdi.rootsweb.com.) If you don't know the number, it's $29. Some facts to note: your ancestor must have worked after 1937. If your ancestor was self employed (the Social Security Administration abbreviates it as S/E), they would have applied around 1955. Also, you may wish to ask for the SSA 9638, if they are unable to locate your ancestor's SS-5. It lists the following: 1) full name, 2) full name given at birth, 3) place of birth (city, county, state), 4) mother's full name at HER birth, regardless of living or dead, 5) father's full name regardless of living or dead, 6) person's date of birth, 7) person's present age, 8) sex, 9) race, 10) whether applied or had own Social Security number before, 11) if yes, year, state and name applied under, 12) date signed, 13) telephone number, 14) signature. On the bottom was typed the name, address, city, state and zip. So, if they had a Social Security number, ask for the SS 5, or if unable to locate, then the SSA 9638. Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] SSDI Records
There is a good chance he did not have a SSA number. Certain groups/trades/forms of employment were not covered in those days. My grandfather is not on the death index because he was retired from the rail road. Rick Richard Francis Pimentel Epping, New Hampshire, USA Researching Bretanha, Ribeirinha, Ribeira Grande, Achade Grande, and Ponta Delgada, Sao Miguel, Acores for, Pimentel (Costa), Carvalho, Teixeira, Rocha -Original Message- From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azo...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of "E" Sharp Sent: Thursday, December 31, 2009 1:28 PM To: azores Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] SSDI Records If someone died in 1953, at age 88, what are the chances that he will have a Social Security number? He is not listed on SSDI and I hesitate to spend $29 (or whatever it is these days without a number) ordering a record if one does not exist. Thanks, "E" -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."
[AZORES-Genealogy] SSDI Records
If someone died in 1953, at age 88, what are the chances that he will have a Social Security number? He is not listed on SSDI and I hesitate to spend $29 (or whatever it is these days without a number) ordering a record if one does not exist. Thanks, "E" -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."
