[AZORES-Genealogy] Y dna Matches between Pico and Flores, looking for a list of original Flores settlers.

2014-04-19 Thread Herb
Hi Antonio. I looked through Volume VI and I did not see any Gonsalves listed 
as early settlers of Flores but it does mention that some of them were 
Pimenteis, Homens, Costas, Fernandes, Vazes, Gomes e Vieiras da juridiscacao  
de Santa Cruz. The paragraph references of a ermidia small church the ermidia 
de Sant'Ana and how these people were interred there. 

I did not find any mention of Baltazar or Joao Vieira. I hope this helps some. 


Herb

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Y dna Matches between Pico and Flores, looking for a list of original Flores settlers.

2014-04-18 Thread Antonio Faria
Thanks Joao I started reading it yesturday.

On Thursday, April 17, 2014 9:00:55 AM UTC-7, João Ventura wrote:

 You can find the books online at 
 http://www.azoreangenealogy.com/biblioteca_acoreana_livros.htm

 João Ventura
 http://tombo.pt/en

 On Thursday, 17 April 2014 06:03:20 UTC+2, Antonio Faria wrote:

 I haven't actually ever seen Volume VI only read articles that refer to 
 it I believe it contains some genealogy to six islands Terceira, Faial, 
 Pico, Flores, Graciosa and Sao Jorge.

 On Wednesday, April 16, 2014 8:33:03 PM UTC-7, Doug da Rocha Holmes wrote:

 I haven't looked at that volume for Pico in at least 10, maybe 15 years, 
 but it's somewhere in my collection in storage. Maybe it's also online 
 these days...

 Doug da Rocha Holmes
 Sacramento, California
 Pico  Terceira Genealogist
 916-550-1618
 www.dholmes.com


   Original Message 
 Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Y dna Matches between Pico and Flores,
 looking for a list of original Flores settlers.
 From: Antonio Faria antoni...@gmail.com
 Date: Wed, April 16, 2014 8:24 pm
 To: azo...@googlegroups.com

 No I haven't been able to find Volume VI it is the only volume that 
 references Pico.

 On Wednesday, April 16, 2014 5:36:51 PM UTC-7, Doug da Rocha Holmes 
 wrote:

 Primo Antonio,

 Did you ever look through Saudades da Terra for this info?
  

 

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Y dna Matches between Pico and Flores, looking for a list of original Flores settlers.

2014-04-17 Thread João Ventura
You can find the books online 
at http://www.azoreangenealogy.com/biblioteca_acoreana_livros.htm

João Ventura
http://tombo.pt/en

On Thursday, 17 April 2014 06:03:20 UTC+2, Antonio Faria wrote:

 I haven't actually ever seen Volume VI only read articles that refer to it 
 I believe it contains some genealogy to six islands Terceira, Faial, Pico, 
 Flores, Graciosa and Sao Jorge.

 On Wednesday, April 16, 2014 8:33:03 PM UTC-7, Doug da Rocha Holmes wrote:

 I haven't looked at that volume for Pico in at least 10, maybe 15 years, 
 but it's somewhere in my collection in storage. Maybe it's also online 
 these days...

 Doug da Rocha Holmes
 Sacramento, California
 Pico  Terceira Genealogist
 916-550-1618
 www.dholmes.com


   Original Message 
 Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Y dna Matches between Pico and Flores,
 looking for a list of original Flores settlers.
 From: Antonio Faria antoni...@gmail.com
 Date: Wed, April 16, 2014 8:24 pm
 To: azo...@googlegroups.com

 No I haven't been able to find Volume VI it is the only volume that 
 references Pico.

 On Wednesday, April 16, 2014 5:36:51 PM UTC-7, Doug da Rocha Holmes wrote:

 Primo Antonio,

 Did you ever look through Saudades da Terra for this info?
  

 

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Y dna Matches between Pico and Flores, looking for a list of original Flores settlers.

2014-04-17 Thread João Ventura
Hello all,

I bought the book A Ilha das Flores: da redescoberta à actualidade 
(Subsídios para a sua História) last summer when I went to Flores. They 
have boxes and boxes of that book, waiting to be sold at the 
newly-inaugurated Museum of Lajes das Flores. I couldn't find the museum 
contacts online, but I'm pretty sure that if you get in touch with the 
Lajes das Flores City Hall, they'll provide the 
info: http://www.cmlajesdasflores.pt/contactos/index.php

Regards,

João Ventura
http://tombo.pt/en

On Thursday, 17 April 2014 05:14:46 UTC+2, Antonio Faria wrote:

 I'll be happy to give it to you offline you can email me at 
 antoni...@gmail.com javascript:

 On Wednesday, April 16, 2014 7:36:27 PM UTC-7, John Vasconcelos wrote:

 Great Antonio,
 It'll be a day or two before I can get to it.I'll be tied up most of he 
 day tomorrow and Friday morning. It's 40 pages and Im not set up to scan it 
 so I'll just have to photocopy it and snail mail it. What is your snail 
 mail address?
 Regards,
 John Vasconcelos


 On Wed, Apr 16, 2014 at 7:02 PM, Antonio Faria antoni...@gmail.comwrote:

 John, that would be wonderful I really would appreciate it.


 On Wednesday, April 16, 2014 6:02:26 PM UTC-7, John Vasconcelos wrote:

 Antonio,
 I have a book A Ihla das Flores: da redescoberta a actualidade 
 (Subsidios para s sua Historia)  by Francisco Antonio Nunes Pimentel 
 Gomes 
 publshed by Camara Municipal das Flores, 2003. I suspect that it's out of 
 print but may still be available from Camara das Lajes, Flores. If not, I 
 would be glad to photocopy and send to you the chapter entitled Familias 
 which covers all the original settling families.
 John Vasconcelos


 On Wed, Apr 16, 2014 at 4:36 PM, Antonio Faria antoni...@gmail.comwrote:

 Does anyone know if a list exists of the original settlers of Flores 
 island. I can trace my paternal line directly to Baltazar Vieira born in 
 Pico  about 1580, I think he may be descended from Joao Vieira that 
 settled 
 in Pico about 1509. I have 2 Y-dna matches from Flores island one of 
 which 
 the Ftdna software has predicted our common ancestor to be approximately 
 500 years ago. I suspect my line and theirs trace to Porto Portugal. I 
 also 
 have a hunch  both of these two gentlemen's ancestors settled in 1510 on 
 Flores because I have read that a ship full of settlers from the north of 
 Portugal dropped off settlers there in 1510, and there are various other 
 reasons why I think it likely but I won't list at this time. The surnames 
 I 
 am looking for specifically  are Vieira, Goncalves and Anes. If anyone is 
 aware of a cited document with the names of the original settlers to 
 Flores 
 please let me know.
  
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Y dna Matches between Pico and Flores, looking for a list of original Flores settlers.

2014-04-16 Thread Antonio Faria
Does anyone know if a list exists of the original settlers of Flores 
island. I can trace my paternal line directly to Baltazar Vieira born in 
Pico  about 1580, I think he may be descended from Joao Vieira that settled 
in Pico about 1509. I have 2 Y-dna matches from Flores island one of which 
the Ftdna software has predicted our common ancestor to be approximately 
500 years ago. I suspect my line and theirs trace to Porto Portugal. I also 
have a hunch  both of these two gentlemen's ancestors settled in 1510 on 
Flores because I have read that a ship full of settlers from the north of 
Portugal dropped off settlers there in 1510, and there are various other 
reasons why I think it likely but I won't list at this time. The surnames I 
am looking for specifically  are Vieira, Goncalves and Anes. If anyone is 
aware of a cited document with the names of the original settlers to Flores 
please let me know.

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Y dna Matches between Pico and Flores, looking for a list of original Flores settlers.

2014-04-16 Thread pico
Primo Antonio,Did you ever look through Saudades da Terra for this info?Doug da Rocha HolmesSacramento, CaliforniaPico  Terceira Genealogist916-550-1618www.dholmes.com


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From: Antonio Faria antoniof1...@gmail.com
Date: Wed, April 16, 2014 4:36 pm
To: azores@googlegroups.com

Does anyone know if a list exists of the original settlers of Flores island. I can trace my paternal line directly to Baltazar Vieira born in Pico about 1580, I think he may be descended from Joao Vieira that settled in Pico about 1509. I have 2 Y-dna matches from Flores island one of which the Ftdna software has predicted our common ancestor to be approximately 500 years ago. I suspect my line and theirs trace to Porto Portugal. I also have a hunch both of these two gentlemen's ancestors settled in 1510 on Flores because I have read that a ship full of settlers from the north of Portugal dropped off settlers there in 1510, and there are various other reasons why I think it likely but I won't list at this time. The surnames I am looking for specifically are Vieira, Goncalves and Anes. If anyone is aware of a cited document with the names of the original settlers to Flores please let me know.  --  





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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Y dna Matches between Pico and Flores, looking for a list of original Flores settlers.

2014-04-16 Thread John Vasconcelos
Antonio,
I have a book A Ihla das Flores: da redescoberta a actualidade (Subsidios
para s sua Historia)  by Francisco Antonio Nunes Pimentel Gomes publshed
by Camara Municipal das Flores, 2003. I suspect that it's out of print but
may still be available from Camara das Lajes, Flores. If not, I would be
glad to photocopy and send to you the chapter entitled Familias which
covers all the original settling families.
John Vasconcelos


On Wed, Apr 16, 2014 at 4:36 PM, Antonio Faria antoniof1...@gmail.comwrote:

 Does anyone know if a list exists of the original settlers of Flores
 island. I can trace my paternal line directly to Baltazar Vieira born in
 Pico  about 1580, I think he may be descended from Joao Vieira that settled
 in Pico about 1509. I have 2 Y-dna matches from Flores island one of which
 the Ftdna software has predicted our common ancestor to be approximately
 500 years ago. I suspect my line and theirs trace to Porto Portugal. I also
 have a hunch  both of these two gentlemen's ancestors settled in 1510 on
 Flores because I have read that a ship full of settlers from the north of
 Portugal dropped off settlers there in 1510, and there are various other
 reasons why I think it likely but I won't list at this time. The surnames I
 am looking for specifically  are Vieira, Goncalves and Anes. If anyone is
 aware of a cited document with the names of the original settlers to Flores
 please let me know.

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Y dna Matches between Pico and Flores, looking for a list of original Flores settlers.

2014-04-16 Thread Antonio Faria
John, that would be wonderful I really would appreciate it.

On Wednesday, April 16, 2014 6:02:26 PM UTC-7, John Vasconcelos wrote:

 Antonio,
 I have a book A Ihla das Flores: da redescoberta a actualidade (Subsidios 
 para s sua Historia)  by Francisco Antonio Nunes Pimentel Gomes publshed 
 by Camara Municipal das Flores, 2003. I suspect that it's out of print but 
 may still be available from Camara das Lajes, Flores. If not, I would be 
 glad to photocopy and send to you the chapter entitled Familias which 
 covers all the original settling families.
 John Vasconcelos


 On Wed, Apr 16, 2014 at 4:36 PM, Antonio Faria 
 antoni...@gmail.comjavascript:
  wrote:

 Does anyone know if a list exists of the original settlers of Flores 
 island. I can trace my paternal line directly to Baltazar Vieira born in 
 Pico  about 1580, I think he may be descended from Joao Vieira that settled 
 in Pico about 1509. I have 2 Y-dna matches from Flores island one of which 
 the Ftdna software has predicted our common ancestor to be approximately 
 500 years ago. I suspect my line and theirs trace to Porto Portugal. I also 
 have a hunch  both of these two gentlemen's ancestors settled in 1510 on 
 Flores because I have read that a ship full of settlers from the north of 
 Portugal dropped off settlers there in 1510, and there are various other 
 reasons why I think it likely but I won't list at this time. The surnames I 
 am looking for specifically  are Vieira, Goncalves and Anes. If anyone is 
 aware of a cited document with the names of the original settlers to Flores 
 please let me know.
  
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Fwd: [AZORES-Genealogy] Y dna Matches between Pico and Flores, looking for a list of original Flores settlers.

2014-04-16 Thread John Vasconcelos
Adding to what Doug said: Gomes references both Fructoso's Saudades da
Terra and Diogo das Chagas' Espelho Cristalino as well as other
references.
John Vasconcelos

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Date: Wed, Apr 16, 2014 at 6:02 PM
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Y dna Matches between Pico and Flores,
looking for a list of original Flores settlers.
To: azores azores@googlegroups.com


Antonio,
I have a book A Ihla das Flores: da redescoberta a actualidade (Subsidios
para s sua Historia)  by Francisco Antonio Nunes Pimentel Gomes publshed
by Camara Municipal das Flores, 2003. I suspect that it's out of print but
may still be available from Camara das Lajes, Flores. If not, I would be
glad to photocopy and send to you the chapter entitled Familias which
covers all the original settling families.
John Vasconcelos


On Wed, Apr 16, 2014 at 4:36 PM, Antonio Faria antoniof1...@gmail.comwrote:

 Does anyone know if a list exists of the original settlers of Flores
 island. I can trace my paternal line directly to Baltazar Vieira born in
 Pico  about 1580, I think he may be descended from Joao Vieira that settled
 in Pico about 1509. I have 2 Y-dna matches from Flores island one of which
 the Ftdna software has predicted our common ancestor to be approximately
 500 years ago. I suspect my line and theirs trace to Porto Portugal. I also
 have a hunch  both of these two gentlemen's ancestors settled in 1510 on
 Flores because I have read that a ship full of settlers from the north of
 Portugal dropped off settlers there in 1510, and there are various other
 reasons why I think it likely but I won't list at this time. The surnames I
 am looking for specifically  are Vieira, Goncalves and Anes. If anyone is
 aware of a cited document with the names of the original settlers to Flores
 please let me know.

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Y dna Matches between Pico and Flores, looking for a list of original Flores settlers.

2014-04-16 Thread John Vasconcelos
Great Antonio,
It'll be a day or two before I can get to it.I'll be tied up most of he day
tomorrow and Friday morning. It's 40 pages and Im not set up to scan it so
I'll just have to photocopy it and snail mail it. What is your snail mail
address?
Regards,
John Vasconcelos


On Wed, Apr 16, 2014 at 7:02 PM, Antonio Faria antoniof1...@gmail.comwrote:

 John, that would be wonderful I really would appreciate it.


 On Wednesday, April 16, 2014 6:02:26 PM UTC-7, John Vasconcelos wrote:

 Antonio,
 I have a book A Ihla das Flores: da redescoberta a actualidade
 (Subsidios para s sua Historia)  by Francisco Antonio Nunes Pimentel Gomes
 publshed by Camara Municipal das Flores, 2003. I suspect that it's out of
 print but may still be available from Camara das Lajes, Flores. If not, I
 would be glad to photocopy and send to you the chapter entitled Familias
 which covers all the original settling families.
 John Vasconcelos


 On Wed, Apr 16, 2014 at 4:36 PM, Antonio Faria antoni...@gmail.comwrote:

 Does anyone know if a list exists of the original settlers of Flores
 island. I can trace my paternal line directly to Baltazar Vieira born in
 Pico  about 1580, I think he may be descended from Joao Vieira that settled
 in Pico about 1509. I have 2 Y-dna matches from Flores island one of which
 the Ftdna software has predicted our common ancestor to be approximately
 500 years ago. I suspect my line and theirs trace to Porto Portugal. I also
 have a hunch  both of these two gentlemen's ancestors settled in 1510 on
 Flores because I have read that a ship full of settlers from the north of
 Portugal dropped off settlers there in 1510, and there are various other
 reasons why I think it likely but I won't list at this time. The surnames I
 am looking for specifically  are Vieira, Goncalves and Anes. If anyone is
 aware of a cited document with the names of the original settlers to Flores
 please let me know.

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Y dna Matches between Pico and Flores, looking for a list of original Flores settlers.

2014-04-16 Thread Antonio Faria
I'll be happy to give it to you offline you can email me at 
antoniof1...@gmail.com

On Wednesday, April 16, 2014 7:36:27 PM UTC-7, John Vasconcelos wrote:

 Great Antonio,
 It'll be a day or two before I can get to it.I'll be tied up most of he 
 day tomorrow and Friday morning. It's 40 pages and Im not set up to scan it 
 so I'll just have to photocopy it and snail mail it. What is your snail 
 mail address?
 Regards,
 John Vasconcelos


 On Wed, Apr 16, 2014 at 7:02 PM, Antonio Faria 
 antoni...@gmail.comjavascript:
  wrote:

 John, that would be wonderful I really would appreciate it.


 On Wednesday, April 16, 2014 6:02:26 PM UTC-7, John Vasconcelos wrote:

 Antonio,
 I have a book A Ihla das Flores: da redescoberta a actualidade 
 (Subsidios para s sua Historia)  by Francisco Antonio Nunes Pimentel Gomes 
 publshed by Camara Municipal das Flores, 2003. I suspect that it's out of 
 print but may still be available from Camara das Lajes, Flores. If not, I 
 would be glad to photocopy and send to you the chapter entitled Familias 
 which covers all the original settling families.
 John Vasconcelos


 On Wed, Apr 16, 2014 at 4:36 PM, Antonio Faria antoni...@gmail.comwrote:

 Does anyone know if a list exists of the original settlers of Flores 
 island. I can trace my paternal line directly to Baltazar Vieira born in 
 Pico  about 1580, I think he may be descended from Joao Vieira that 
 settled 
 in Pico about 1509. I have 2 Y-dna matches from Flores island one of which 
 the Ftdna software has predicted our common ancestor to be approximately 
 500 years ago. I suspect my line and theirs trace to Porto Portugal. I 
 also 
 have a hunch  both of these two gentlemen's ancestors settled in 1510 on 
 Flores because I have read that a ship full of settlers from the north of 
 Portugal dropped off settlers there in 1510, and there are various other 
 reasons why I think it likely but I won't list at this time. The surnames 
 I 
 am looking for specifically  are Vieira, Goncalves and Anes. If anyone is 
 aware of a cited document with the names of the original settlers to 
 Flores 
 please let me know.
  
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Y dna Matches between Pico and Flores, looking for a list of original Flores settlers.

2014-04-16 Thread Antonio Faria
No I haven't been able to find Volume VI it is the only volume that 
references Pico.

On Wednesday, April 16, 2014 5:36:51 PM UTC-7, Doug da Rocha Holmes wrote:

 Primo Antonio,

 Did you ever look through Saudades da Terra for this info?

 Doug da Rocha Holmes
 Sacramento, California
 Pico  Terceira Genealogist
 916-550-1618
 www.dholmes.com


   Original Message 
 Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Y dna Matches between Pico and Flores,
 looking for a list of original Flores settlers.
 From: Antonio Faria antoni...@gmail.com javascript:
 Date: Wed, April 16, 2014 4:36 pm
 To: azo...@googlegroups.com javascript:

 Does anyone know if a list exists of the original settlers of Flores 
 island. I can trace my paternal line directly to Baltazar Vieira born in 
 Pico  about 1580, I think he may be descended from Joao Vieira that settled 
 in Pico about 1509. I have 2 Y-dna matches from Flores island one of which 
 the Ftdna software has predicted our common ancestor to be approximately 
 500 years ago. I suspect my line and theirs trace to Porto Portugal. I also 
 have a hunch  both of these two gentlemen's ancestors settled in 1510 on 
 Flores because I have read that a ship full of settlers from the north of 
 Portugal dropped off settlers there in 1510, and there are various other 
 reasons why I think it likely but I won't list at this time. The surnames I 
 am looking for specifically  are Vieira, Goncalves and Anes. If anyone is 
 aware of a cited document with the names of the original settlers to Flores 
 please let me know.
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Y dna Matches between Pico and Flores, looking for a list of original Flores settlers.

2014-04-16 Thread pico
I haven't looked at that volume for Pico in at least 10, maybe 15 years, but it's somewhere in my collection in storage. Maybe it's also online these days...Doug da Rocha HolmesSacramento, CaliforniaPico  Terceira Genealogist916-550-1618www.dholmes.com


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Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Y dna Matches between Pico and Flores,
looking for a list of original Flores settlers.
From: Antonio Faria antoniof1...@gmail.com
Date: Wed, April 16, 2014 8:24 pm
To: azores@googlegroups.com

No I haven't been able to find Volume VI it is the only volume that references Pico.On Wednesday, April 16, 2014 5:36:51 PM UTC-7, Doug da Rocha Holmes wrote:Primo Antonio,Did you ever look through Saudades da Terra for this info? 





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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Y dna Matches between Pico and Flores, looking for a list of original Flores settlers.

2014-04-16 Thread Antonio Faria
I haven't actually ever seen Volume VI only read articles that refer to it 
I believe it contains some genealogy to six islands Terceira, Faial, Pico, 
Flores, Graciosa and Sao Jorge.

On Wednesday, April 16, 2014 8:33:03 PM UTC-7, Doug da Rocha Holmes wrote:

 I haven't looked at that volume for Pico in at least 10, maybe 15 years, 
 but it's somewhere in my collection in storage. Maybe it's also online 
 these days...

 Doug da Rocha Holmes
 Sacramento, California
 Pico  Terceira Genealogist
 916-550-1618
 www.dholmes.com


   Original Message 
 Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Y dna Matches between Pico and Flores,
 looking for a list of original Flores settlers.
 From: Antonio Faria antoni...@gmail.com javascript:
 Date: Wed, April 16, 2014 8:24 pm
 To: azo...@googlegroups.com javascript:

 No I haven't been able to find Volume VI it is the only volume that 
 references Pico.

 On Wednesday, April 16, 2014 5:36:51 PM UTC-7, Doug da Rocha Holmes wrote:

 Primo Antonio,

 Did you ever look through Saudades da Terra for this info?
  

  

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