Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Would like to contact France/Azores listmember

[Maria Lima]

I'm not sure but I think his name is Felippe (?). 

Maria Elena 

> On Jun 25, 2018, at 11:53 AM, E Sharp  wrote:
> 
> I know there is a list member who lives in France and I am helping someone 
> who needs assistance in how to search for a living? relative in France.  
> Sorry I can't remember your name but would you please contact me directly.  
> bellemarco at gmail dot com
> 
> Thank you.
> "E"
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Would like to contact France/Azores listmember

["E" Sharp]

I know there is a list member who lives in France and I am helping someone
who needs assistance in how to search for a living? relative in France.
Sorry I can't remember your name but would you please contact me directly.
bellemarco at gmail dot com

Thank you.
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Would appreciate some help from the Pros on what to do when you see "de avos ocultos"

[Cheri Mello]

If you looked for a 10 year period and that's the only Alexandrina you've
found who is an exposto, it's her. Plenty of women use the name of the
church as their religious middle name.

Test all 4 grandchildren with Family Finder at FTDNA: https://goo.gl/X0gSGr

The test is $79 + $12.95 S If you can buy all 4 at once, great. If you
need to purchase one at a time, and not knowing how old or what the health
is of her 4 grandchildren, start with the one who is the least healthy.

Cheri

Cheri Mello
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Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas,
Achada

On Sun, Sep 25, 2016 at 4:52 PM, George Sousa 
wrote:

> Thank you Cheri. As I suspected the only way to proceed is to use DNA.
> Alexandrina da Assunção has four grandchildren that are still with us (two
> males and two females) and numerous Great Grandchildren and their
> offspring. Who would you recommend be tested and what type of test would
> you suggest?
>
> As a bit of an aside, after posting this question I've continued looking
> for any Alexandrina born in Santa Maria between 1860 and 1870 who was an
> 'exposta'. Alexandrina is not a very common name and I have found only
> one... baptized on March 17th 1862 in Villa do Porto. The link to the
> record is http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-
> VP-ASSUNCAO-B-1860-1864/SMA-VP-ASSUNCAO-B-1860-1864_item1/P88.html. In
> this record she is described as "uma crianca do sexo femenino a que dei o
> nome de Alexandrina que foi exposta na Roda da Casa da Camara depois da
> meia noite, filha de Pais nao sabidos".
>
> Of course there is no way to know from this information that this is the
> woman that I'm looking for but now I'm curious to know from others if you
> have found orphans who were given a second name based on the name of the
> church in which they were baptized. If this is a common practice then
> Alexandrina da Assunção may have gotten her second name from "Nossa Senhora
> da Assunção", the church in which she was baptized. Again, I know that none
> of this proves that this is the lady that I'm looking for but I'm inclined
> to think there is a high likelihood that this is her...
>
> Thanks,
>
> George
>
>
>
> On Sun, Sep 25, 2016 at 4:26 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
>
>> Alexandrina do Assuncao is the mom. Neither grandparents are known, so
>> Alexandrina herself was an exposto, foundling, orphaned.
>>
>> There's no way to verify the family stories from this document. You may
>> be able to use DNA if you could obtain samples from all the descendants
>> mentioned in your stories.
>>
>> The margin on page 2 says Raulino was married to Maria d'Andrade Melo and
>> he died in this freguesia on 1? May 1931? 1937?
>>
>> Cheri Mello
>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>> Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das
>> Tainhas, Achada
>>
>> On Mon, Sep 5, 2016 at 3:44 PM, George Sousa 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Researching one of my ancestors Raulino Jose de Souza (b. 1889 Santo
>>> Espirito, Santa Maria). I've located his baptismal record (see the
>>> following Centro de Conhecimento links):
>>>
>>> First page: http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/S
>>> MA-VP-SANTOESPIRITO-B-1885-1889/SMA-VP-SANTOESPIRITO-B-1885-
>>> 1889_item1/P128.html
>>> and second page:
>>>
>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-
>>> SANTOESPIRITO-B-1885-1889/SMA-VP-SANTOESPIRITO-B-1885-1889_i
>>> tem1/P129.html
>>>
>>>
>>> I believe this is what the document states:
>>>
>>>
>>> "No. 35 Raulino
>>>
>>>
>>> Aos oito dias do mes de Setembro do anno de mil oito centos oitenta e
>>> nove nesta Egreja parochial da Nossa Senhora da Purificação, logar de Santo
>>> Espirito, Concelho da Vila do Porto, Diocese de Angra batizei solemente um
>>> individio do sexo masculino, a quem dei o nomo de Raulino, e que nasceu
>>> nesta freguesia as oito horas da manha dia vinte nove de Julho do dito
>>> anno, filho natural de Alexhandrina da Assunção empregada no service
>>> domestic, solteira natural, parochiana e moradora no termo da Calheta desta
>>> freguesia neta [I think this should read neto] paterna e materna d’avos
>>> ocultos. Foi padrinho Pedro Jose Coelho, casado ?, e madrinha Maria de
>>> Braga solteira empregada no service domestico, os quaes todos sei seram os
>>> peroprios. E para constar lavrei em duplicado este asunto que depois de ser
>>> lido e conferido perante os padrinhos commigo o não assignou por não saber
>>> escrever nem ler"
>>>
>>>
>>> From my read of this it appears that Raulino's grandparents are not
>>> known. His mother's name is given as Alexhandrina da Assunção. Is there
>>> a clue in the name? Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
>>>
>>>
>>> A couple of additional notes from family stories. Raulino's baptismal
>>> godmother (Maria de Braga) is said to have been Alexandrina's aunt.
>>> Raulino's father is said to have been named Raulino Jose de 

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Would appreciate some help from the Pros on what to do when you see "de avos ocultos"

[George Sousa]

Thank you Cheri. As I suspected the only way to proceed is to use DNA.
Alexandrina da Assunção has four grandchildren that are still with us (two
males and two females) and numerous Great Grandchildren and their
offspring. Who would you recommend be tested and what type of test would
you suggest?

As a bit of an aside, after posting this question I've continued looking
for any Alexandrina born in Santa Maria between 1860 and 1870 who was an
'exposta'. Alexandrina is not a very common name and I have found only
one... baptized on March 17th 1862 in Villa do Porto. The link to the
record is
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-ASSUNCAO-B-1860-1864/SMA-VP-ASSUNCAO-B-1860-1864_item1/P88.html.
In this record she is described as "uma crianca do sexo femenino a que dei
o nome de Alexandrina que foi exposta na Roda da Casa da Camara depois da
meia noite, filha de Pais nao sabidos".

Of course there is no way to know from this information that this is the
woman that I'm looking for but now I'm curious to know from others if you
have found orphans who were given a second name based on the name of the
church in which they were baptized. If this is a common practice then
Alexandrina da Assunção may have gotten her second name from "Nossa Senhora
da Assunção", the church in which she was baptized. Again, I know that none
of this proves that this is the lady that I'm looking for but I'm inclined
to think there is a high likelihood that this is her...

Thanks,

George



On Sun, Sep 25, 2016 at 4:26 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:

> Alexandrina do Assuncao is the mom. Neither grandparents are known, so
> Alexandrina herself was an exposto, foundling, orphaned.
>
> There's no way to verify the family stories from this document. You may be
> able to use DNA if you could obtain samples from all the descendants
> mentioned in your stories.
>
> The margin on page 2 says Raulino was married to Maria d'Andrade Melo and
> he died in this freguesia on 1? May 1931? 1937?
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das
> Tainhas, Achada
>
> On Mon, Sep 5, 2016 at 3:44 PM, George Sousa 
> wrote:
>
>> Researching one of my ancestors Raulino Jose de Souza (b. 1889 Santo
>> Espirito, Santa Maria). I've located his baptismal record (see the
>> following Centro de Conhecimento links):
>>
>> First page: http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/
>> SMA-VP-SANTOESPIRITO-B-1885-1889/SMA-VP-SANTOESPIRITO-B-
>> 1885-1889_item1/P128.html
>> and second page:
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-
>> SANTOESPIRITO-B-1885-1889/SMA-VP-SANTOESPIRITO-B-1885-1889_
>> item1/P129.html
>>
>>
>> I believe this is what the document states:
>>
>>
>> "No. 35 Raulino
>>
>>
>> Aos oito dias do mes de Setembro do anno de mil oito centos oitenta e
>> nove nesta Egreja parochial da Nossa Senhora da Purificação, logar de Santo
>> Espirito, Concelho da Vila do Porto, Diocese de Angra batizei solemente um
>> individio do sexo masculino, a quem dei o nomo de Raulino, e que nasceu
>> nesta freguesia as oito horas da manha dia vinte nove de Julho do dito
>> anno, filho natural de Alexhandrina da Assunção empregada no service
>> domestic, solteira natural, parochiana e moradora no termo da Calheta desta
>> freguesia neta [I think this should read neto] paterna e materna d’avos
>> ocultos. Foi padrinho Pedro Jose Coelho, casado ?, e madrinha Maria de
>> Braga solteira empregada no service domestico, os quaes todos sei seram os
>> peroprios. E para constar lavrei em duplicado este asunto que depois de ser
>> lido e conferido perante os padrinhos commigo o não assignou por não saber
>> escrever nem ler"
>>
>>
>> From my read of this it appears that Raulino's grandparents are not
>> known. His mother's name is given as Alexhandrina da Assunção. Is there
>> a clue in the name? Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
>>
>>
>> A couple of additional notes from family stories. Raulino's baptismal
>> godmother (Maria de Braga) is said to have been Alexandrina's aunt.
>> Raulino's father is said to have been named Raulino Jose de Sousa. The
>> family story is that Raulino's father was a cattle merchant from Sao Miguel.
>>
>>
>> Again any advice would be greatly appreciated.
>>
>>
>> thanks,
>>
>>
>> George
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Would appreciate some help from the Pros on what to do when you see "de avos ocultos"

[Cheri Mello]

Alexandrina do Assuncao is the mom. Neither grandparents are known, so
Alexandrina herself was an exposto, foundling, orphaned.

There's no way to verify the family stories from this document. You may be
able to use DNA if you could obtain samples from all the descendants
mentioned in your stories.

The margin on page 2 says Raulino was married to Maria d'Andrade Melo and
he died in this freguesia on 1? May 1931? 1937?

Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas,
Achada

On Mon, Sep 5, 2016 at 3:44 PM, George Sousa  wrote:

> Researching one of my ancestors Raulino Jose de Souza (b. 1889 Santo
> Espirito, Santa Maria). I've located his baptismal record (see the
> following Centro de Conhecimento links):
>
> First page: http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_
> digital/SMA-VP-SANTOESPIRITO-B-1885-1889/SMA-VP-SANTOESPIRITO-B-1885-1889_
> item1/P128.html
> and second page:
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-
> VP-SANTOESPIRITO-B-1885-1889/SMA-VP-SANTOESPIRITO-B-1885-
> 1889_item1/P129.html
>
>
> I believe this is what the document states:
>
>
> "No. 35 Raulino
>
>
> Aos oito dias do mes de Setembro do anno de mil oito centos oitenta e nove
> nesta Egreja parochial da Nossa Senhora da Purificação, logar de Santo
> Espirito, Concelho da Vila do Porto, Diocese de Angra batizei solemente um
> individio do sexo masculino, a quem dei o nomo de Raulino, e que nasceu
> nesta freguesia as oito horas da manha dia vinte nove de Julho do dito
> anno, filho natural de Alexhandrina da Assunção empregada no service
> domestic, solteira natural, parochiana e moradora no termo da Calheta desta
> freguesia neta [I think this should read neto] paterna e materna d’avos
> ocultos. Foi padrinho Pedro Jose Coelho, casado ?, e madrinha Maria de
> Braga solteira empregada no service domestico, os quaes todos sei seram os
> peroprios. E para constar lavrei em duplicado este asunto que depois de ser
> lido e conferido perante os padrinhos commigo o não assignou por não saber
> escrever nem ler"
>
>
> From my read of this it appears that Raulino's grandparents are not known.
> His mother's name is given as Alexhandrina da Assunção. Is there a clue
> in the name? Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
>
>
> A couple of additional notes from family stories. Raulino's baptismal
> godmother (Maria de Braga) is said to have been Alexandrina's aunt.
> Raulino's father is said to have been named Raulino Jose de Sousa. The
> family story is that Raulino's father was a cattle merchant from Sao Miguel.
>
>
> Again any advice would be greatly appreciated.
>
>
> thanks,
>
>
> George
>
>
>
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Would appreciate some help from the Pros on what to do when you see "de avos ocultos"

[George Sousa]

Researching one of my ancestors Raulino Jose de Souza (b. 1889 Santo
Espirito, Santa Maria). I've located his baptismal record (see the
following Centro de Conhecimento links):

First page:
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SANTOESPIRITO-B-1885-1889/SMA-VP-SANTOESPIRITO-B-1885-1889_item1/P128.html

and second page:

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SANTOESPIRITO-B-1885-1889/SMA-VP-SANTOESPIRITO-B-1885-1889_item1/P129.html


I believe this is what the document states:


"No. 35 Raulino


Aos oito dias do mes de Setembro do anno de mil oito centos oitenta e nove
nesta Egreja parochial da Nossa Senhora da Purificação, logar de Santo
Espirito, Concelho da Vila do Porto, Diocese de Angra batizei solemente um
individio do sexo masculino, a quem dei o nomo de Raulino, e que nasceu
nesta freguesia as oito horas da manha dia vinte nove de Julho do dito
anno, filho natural de Alexhandrina da Assunção empregada no service
domestic, solteira natural, parochiana e moradora no termo da Calheta desta
freguesia neta [I think this should read neto] paterna e materna d’avos
ocultos. Foi padrinho Pedro Jose Coelho, casado ?, e madrinha Maria de
Braga solteira empregada no service domestico, os quaes todos sei seram os
peroprios. E para constar lavrei em duplicado este asunto que depois de ser
lido e conferido perante os padrinhos commigo o não assignou por não saber
escrever nem ler"


>From my read of this it appears that Raulino's grandparents are not known.
His mother's name is given as Alexhandrina da Assunção. Is there a clue in
the name? Any advice would be greatly appreciated.


A couple of additional notes from family stories. Raulino's baptismal
godmother (Maria de Braga) is said to have been Alexandrina's aunt.
Raulino's father is said to have been named Raulino Jose de Sousa. The
family story is that Raulino's father was a cattle merchant from Sao Miguel.


Again any advice would be greatly appreciated.


thanks,


George

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Would like to contact with Celeste G. Perry

[looking4roots]

Thanks!  Guess my aunt and I made a mistake, as Cheri pointed out,  but I still 
appreciate your help.

Deb

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 On Feb 20, 2014, at 8:02 AM, Richard Francis Pimentel 
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 Did you try this address? ccgran...@yahoo.com
  
 Rick
  
 Richard Francis Pimentel
 Spring, TX
  
  
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 Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2014 9:50 AM
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 Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Would like to contact with Celeste G. Perry
  
 Does any one know how to reach Celeste G. Perry?  I am hoping she is a 
 participant in this group.  
  
 I checked my aunt's  FamilyTree DNA account yesterday.  The account name is 
 Doris Brown.   Celeste is the top match (71.5 cM).  Unfortunately, the e-mail 
 for the DNA account is bad. Any help would be appreciated. 
  
 Deb McCabe
  
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Would like to contact with Celeste G. Perry

[Deb McCabe]

Does any one know how to reach Celeste G. Perry?  I am hoping she is a 
participant in this group.  
 
I checked my aunt's  FamilyTree DNA account yesterday.  The account name is 
Doris Brown.   Celeste is the top match (71.5 cM).  Unfortunately, the e-mail 
for the DNA account is bad.     Any help would be appreciated. 
 
Deb McCabe 
 
 .  

When I searched for ancestors, I found friends!

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Would like to contact with Celeste G. Perry

[Cheri Mello]

Deb McC,

No, Celeste Perry is NOT your aunt's top match.  Janice Perry is.  The
email provided on the page is valid.
Cheri Mello
Azores DNA project

Cheri Mello
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Would like to contact with Celeste G. Perry

[celeste perry]

Sorry, Rick, I am not the Celeste (ccgran...@yahoo.com) being searched.  I have 
not had my DNA tested so that is one thing and my middle name is Norine.  Perry 
is my married name and is from my husband's father's line from Soldao, Lajes do 
Pico.  

The surname I used until I was adopted was Sobral; my maternal grandfather's 
name (from Tras-os-Montes on the mainland).  After my mother's marriage and my 
adoption I used the surname Lewis. 

 I never knew my biological father; however, I have traced his line back from 
his place of birth in Matriz, Horta, Faial to the beginning of the records.  
His name was Leonel Soares De Azevedo.  

Although I never used his surname, on the 1940 census, my mother did list my 
surname as De Azevedo.  (I found that information after she died and could not 
ask any questions!).

Never had a middle name that began with a G.    

Celeste
Celeste Perry ccgran...@yahoo.com



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Did you try this address? ccgran...@yahoo.com 
 
Rick
 
Richard Francis Pimentel
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McCabe
Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2014 9:50 AM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Would like to contact with Celeste G. Perry
 
Does any one know how to reach Celeste G. Perry?  I am hoping she is a 
participant in this group.  
 
I checked my aunt's  FamilyTree DNA account yesterday.  The account name is 
Doris Brown.   Celeste is the top match (71.5 cM).  Unfortunately, the e-mail 
for the DNA account is bad.     Any help would be appreciated. 
 
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Would like to contact with Celeste G. Perry

[Richard Francis Pimentel]

I guess I was close but no cigar.

 

Rick

 

Richard Francis Pimentel

Spring, TX

 

 

From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of
celeste perry
Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2014 11:50 AM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Would like to contact with Celeste G. Perry

 

Sorry, Rick, I am not the Celeste (ccgran...@yahoo.com) being searched.  I
have not had my DNA tested so that is one thing and my middle name is
Norine.  Perry is my married name and is from my husband's father's line
from Soldao, Lajes do Pico.  

 

The surname I used until I was adopted was Sobral; my maternal grandfather's
name (from Tras-os-Montes on the mainland).  After my mother's marriage and
my adoption I used the surname Lewis. 

 

 I never knew my biological father; however, I have traced his line back
from his place of birth in Matriz, Horta, Faial to the beginning of the
records.  His name was Leonel Soares De Azevedo.  

 

Although I never used his surname, on the 1940 census, my mother did list my
surname as De Azevedo.  (I found that information after she died and could
not ask any questions!).

 

Never had a middle name that began with a G.

 

Celeste

Celeste Perry ccgran...@yahoo.com

 

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rfrancispimen...@comcast.net wrote:

Did you try this address? ccgran...@yahoo.com 

 

Rick

 

Richard Francis Pimentel

Spring, TX

 

 

From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of
Deb McCabe
Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2014 9:50 AM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Would like to contact with Celeste G. Perry

 

Does any one know how to reach Celeste G. Perry?  I am hoping she is a
participant in this group.  

 

I checked my aunt's  FamilyTree DNA account yesterday.  The account name is
Doris Brown.   Celeste is the top match (71.5 cM).  Unfortunately, the
e-mail for the DNA account is bad. Any help would be appreciated. 

 

Deb McCabe 

 

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] would they?

[Michael Gilfilian]

Well I've searched thru Prolly between 3000-3500 name variations on
ancestry, family search, and others, my next place will be on the cca site
but I still can't make out to much on that website
On Aug 25, 2012 9:41 PM, Frank or JoElayne Johnson joelay...@yahoo.com
wrote:

 Where are you looking?


 JoElayne Ferre' Johnson


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 according to the 1920 census my great great grandma immigrated in 1893 and
 the 1930 census says it was 1895. She would have been 25 or 27 upon
 arrival, in her obituary she left a brother who was in California. My
 question is then, would they have traveled here together? no matter how
 much I look I just can't find her, or him for that matter with anything
 definitive.

 Mike

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] would they?

[Frank or JoElayne Johnson]

Mike, Cheri has a page with tons of help with reading the cca site. I cannot 
find the URL but someone on the list will give it to us. She did a series of 
lessons for us that made a huge difference in my ability to read the pages. I 
still need help but this list is very generous in lending a hand when you need 
it. 
 
JoElayne Ferre' Johnson




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To: azores@googlegroups.com 
Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2012 8:43 AM
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] would they?
 

Well I've searched thru Prolly between 3000-3500 name variations on ancestry, 
family search, and others, my next place will be on the cca site but I still 
can't make out to much on that website
On Aug 25, 2012 9:41 PM, Frank or JoElayne Johnson joelay...@yahoo.com 
wrote:

Where are you looking?


 JoElayne Ferre' Johnson





 From: Mike mgilfilia...@gmail.com
To: azores@googlegroups.com 
Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2012 5:38 PM
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] would they?
 

according to the 1920 census my great great grandma immigrated in 1893 and the 
1930 census says it was 1895. She would have been 25 or 27 upon arrival, in 
her obituary she left a brother who was in California. My question is then, 
would they have traveled here together? no matter how much I look I just can't 
find her, or him for that matter with anything definitive.

Mike

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] would they?

[Shirley Allegre]

I was born, raised, and live in California.  If you would give some names, I 
might be able to help.
Shirley in CA
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  according to the 1920 census my great great grandma immigrated in 1893 and 
the 1930 census says it was 1895. She would have been 25 or 27 upon arrival, in 
her obituary she left a brother who was in California. My question is then, 
would they have traveled here together? no matter how much I look I just can't 
find her, or him for that matter with anything definitive.

  Mike


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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] would they?

[Robin Lebo]

Michael,

I have a similar situation with my great grandfather. He came here supposedly 
in 1898. The only vessel for that year is a schooner from his island Sao Jorge 
to Provincetown, Ma. There are names that look like his brothers, but he is now 
where on the list. They are all probably related somehow since it is a small 
island. The lady in New Bedford, Ma helping me said that not all ships 
manifests have been done. We could not find info on the schooner so seeing if 
he was crew has not been found either. We checked other records that say he 
came here in 1898 but they do not record the actual date or how. We checked the 
whale men out of New Bedford he is not there so he did not work in that field. 
The search continues. He is found in 1906 when he brought his new bride here. 
They went to New Bedford. Trying to find out how long they stayed in New 
Bedford and with whom and how they got to California. 
He has a common name as well Jorge Faustino da Silva, 1880-1950 son of Joao 
Faustino da Luz. 
Keep searching it will be found.
Robin L

On Aug 26, 2012, at 11:43, Michael Gilfilian mgilfilia...@gmail.com wrote:

 Well I've searched thru Prolly between 3000-3500 name variations on ancestry, 
 family search, and others, my next place will be on the cca site but I still 
 can't make out to much on that website
 
 On Aug 25, 2012 9:41 PM, Frank or JoElayne Johnson joelay...@yahoo.com 
 wrote:
 Where are you looking?
 
  
 JoElayne Ferre' Johnson
 
 
 From: Mike mgilfilia...@gmail.com
 To: azores@googlegroups.com 
 Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2012 5:38 PM
 Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] would they?
 
 according to the 1920 census my great great grandma immigrated in 1893 and 
 the 1930 census says it was 1895. She would have been 25 or 27 upon arrival, 
 in her obituary she left a brother who was in California. My question is 
 then, would they have traveled here together? no matter how much I look I 
 just can't find her, or him for that matter with anything definitive.
 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] would they?

[Mike]

I have Cheri's info on how to read the records on the CCA site, I've just 
always been better with numbers than I am with words whether in another 
language or english. My question was would they have left Pico to come to 
the USA together? How likely is it that she would have come here by herself 
as a single woman even though she was 8 years older than her brother and he 
cam here married, Her name was Maria Leal dad Rosa b1868 d1932 my info has 
her arriving in Fairhaven, Mass. in 1893. His name was Antonio Leal Rosa 
b1875 d?, he married Maria Paulina b1879 d? all were from Piedade, Lajes do 
Pico, Pico. Did I read somewhere correctly that they would have needed 
passports to leave the Azores for the USA? what info do I need and is it 
the CCA site I will have to look?

Mike

On Sunday, August 26, 2012 2:44:17 PM UTC-4, PearlCat 500 wrote:

 Michael,

 I have a similar situation with my great grandfather. He came here 
 supposedly in 1898. The only vessel for that year is a schooner from his 
 island Sao Jorge to Provincetown, Ma. There are names that look like his 
 brothers, but he is now where on the list. They are all probably related 
 somehow since it is a small island. The lady in New Bedford, Ma helping me 
 said that not all ships manifests have been done. We could not find info on 
 the schooner so seeing if he was crew has not been found either. We checked 
 other records that say he came here in 1898 but they do not record the 
 actual date or how. We checked the whale men out of New Bedford he is not 
 there so he did not work in that field. The search continues. He is found 
 in 1906 when he brought his new bride here. They went to New Bedford. 
 Trying to find out how long they stayed in New Bedford and with whom and 
 how they got to California. 
 He has a common name as well Jorge Faustino da Silva, 1880-1950 son of 
 Joao Faustino da Luz. 
 Keep searching it will be found.
 Robin L

 On Aug 26, 2012, at 11:43, Michael Gilfilian 
 mgilfi...@gmail.comjavascript: 
 wrote:

 Well I've searched thru Prolly between 3000-3500 name variations on 
 ancestry, family search, and others, my next place will be on the cca site 
 but I still can't make out to much on that website
 On Aug 25, 2012 9:41 PM, Frank or JoElayne Johnson 
 joel...@yahoo.comjavascript: 
 wrote:

 Where are you looking?

  
 JoElayne Ferre' Johnson


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 *To:* azo...@googlegroups.com javascript: 
 *Sent:* Saturday, August 25, 2012 5:38 PM
 *Subject:* [AZORES-Genealogy] would they?
  
 according to the 1920 census my great great grandma immigrated in 1893 
 and the 1930 census says it was 1895. She would have been 25 or 27 upon 
 arrival, in her obituary she left a brother who was in California. My 
 question is then, would they have traveled here together? no matter how 
 much I look I just can't find her, or him for that matter with anything 
 definitive.

 Mike

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Re: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] would they?

[bellemarco]

Mike,

Could this be her? Came earlier than 1893-95. You could match her on CCA  
site and see if parents are the same. Ships Captain is Antonio F. Rosa


Name: Maria Rosa
Arrival Date: 26 Nov 1889
Birth Year: abt 1867
Age: 22
Gender: Female
Place of Origin: Pico
Port of Departure: Azores Islands, Autonomous Regions of Portugal
Destination: Boston, Massachusetts
Port of Arrival: New York
Port Arrival State: New York
Port Arrival Country: United States
Ship Name: Benquella

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] would they?

[Chuck Nostrome]

Mike I guess you have this NEPS record.  
http://www.ghp.ics.uminho.pt/geneweb/gwd.exe?b=piedade;lang=en;p=antonio+leal;n=rosa;oc=4

My Pereira Dutras traveled separately, serially from Silviera, Pico to Boston 
or the East Coast and took trains to California.  Looks like there may have 
been another daughter Rosa.  Mine went out of San Miguel.

António LealRosa




Born on 13 June 1875 - Piedade,Lajes do Pico,Pico
Died

Parents

José Leal Rosa 1806-1899
Francisca Anjos

Marriages and children

Married on 3 May 1897 toMaria Paulina 1879, with
Maria ?1901



Relationship computing




Ancestors
Descendants
Cousins
Previous sibling

Update



FranciscaAnjos 
http://www.ghp.ics.uminho.pt/geneweb/gwd.exe?b=piedade;lang=en;p=francisca;n=anjos;oc=5




Born - Piedade,Lajes do Pico,Pico

Marriages and children

Married on 22 June 1867 toJosé Leal Rosa 1806-1899, with
Maria ?1868
Rosa ?1870
António Leal1875



Relationship computing




Descendants

Update



-Original Message-
From: Mike mgilfilia...@gmail.com
To: azores azores@googlegroups.com
Sent: Sun, Aug 26, 2012 3:49 pm
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] would they?


I have Cheri's info on how to read the records on the CCA site, I've just 
always been better with numbers than I am with words whether in another 
language or english. My question was would they have left Pico to come to the 
USA together? How likely is it that she would have come here by herself as a 
single woman even though she was 8 years older than her brother and he cam here 
married, Her name was Maria Leal dad Rosa b1868 d1932 my info has her arriving 
in Fairhaven, Mass. in 1893. His name was Antonio Leal Rosa b1875 d?, he 
married Maria Paulina b1879 d? all were from Piedade, Lajes do Pico, Pico. Did 
I read somewhere correctly that they would have needed passports to leave the 
Azores for the USA? what info do I need and is it the CCA site I will have to 
look?

Mike

On Sunday, August 26, 2012 2:44:17 PM UTC-4, PearlCat 500 wrote:

Michael,


I have a similar situation with my great grandfather. He came here supposedly 
in 1898. The only vessel for that year is a schooner from his island Sao Jorge 
to Provincetown, Ma. There are names that look like his brothers, but he is now 
where on the list. They are all probably related somehow since it is a small 
island. The lady in New Bedford, Ma helping me said that not all ships 
manifests have been done. We could not find info on the schooner so seeing if 
he was crew has not been found either. We checked other records that say he 
came here in 1898 but they do not record the actual date or how. We checked the 
whale men out of New Bedford he is not there so he did not work in that field. 
The search continues. He is found in 1906 when he brought his new bride here. 
They went to New Bedford. Trying to find out how long they stayed in New 
Bedford and with whom and how they got to California. 
He has a common name as well Jorge Faustino da Silva, 1880-1950 son of Joao 
Faustino da Luz. 
Keep searching it will be found.
Robin L

On Aug 26, 2012, at 11:43, Michael Gilfilian mgilfi...@gmail.com wrote:




Well I've searched thru Prolly between 3000-3500 name variations on ancestry, 
family search, and others, my next place will be on the cca site but I still 
can't make out to much on that website
On Aug 25, 2012 9:41 PM, Frank or JoElayne Johnson joel...@yahoo.com wrote:

Where are you looking?



 
JoElayne Ferre' Johnson



  
 
 
  
  From: Mike mgilfi...@gmail.com
 To: azo...@googlegroups.com 
 Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2012 5:38 PM
 Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] would they?
  
 

according to the 1920 census my great great grandma immigrated in 1893 and the 
1930 census says it was 1895. She would have been 25 or 27 upon arrival, in her 
obituary she left a brother who was in California. My question is then, would 
they have traveled here together? no matter how much I look I just can't find 
her, or him for that matter with anything definitive.

Mike

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[AZORES-Genealogy] would they?

[Mike]

according to the 1920 census my great great grandma immigrated in 1893 and 
the 1930 census says it was 1895. She would have been 25 or 27 upon 
arrival, in her obituary she left a brother who was in California. My 
question is then, would they have traveled here together? no matter how 
much I look I just can't find her, or him for that matter with anything 
definitive.

Mike

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] would they?

[Frank or JoElayne Johnson]

Where are you looking?

 JoElayne Ferre' Johnson




 From: Mike mgilfilia...@gmail.com
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Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] would they?
 

according to the 1920 census my great great grandma immigrated in 1893 and the 
1930 census says it was 1895. She would have been 25 or 27 upon arrival, in her 
obituary she left a brother who was in California. My question is then, would 
they have traveled here together? no matter how much I look I just can't find 
her, or him for that matter with anything definitive.

Mike

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] would they?

[Iris Bilodeau]

The census have been known to make mistakes.  They have wrong information on my 
grandmother.

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From: Mike mgilfilia...@gmail.com
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] would they?
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Date: Saturday, August 25, 2012, 5:38 PM


according to the 1920 census my great great grandma immigrated in 1893 and the 
1930 census says it was 1895. She would have been 25 or 27 upon arrival, in her 
obituary she left a brother who was in California. My question is then, would 
they have traveled here together? no matter how much I look I just can't find 
her, or him for that matter with anything definitive.

Mike

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Would Families Have Stayed in One Area?

[Betty]

Hi again,

Just curious if families on Sao Miguel have remained living in one part of 
the island for a long time, or would they have had reasons to move to other 
parts?

Betty(near Lowell, MA, USA)


P.S.I've been told by researchers that MOURA families were mostly on 
Santa Maria.But, I mentioned that to my husband yesterday,  and it 
reminded him that his grandmother once mentioned .. Faial.

If Francisco MOURA was a whaler, as he was told, would the family have moved 
around?




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