Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Coelho from Santa Maria

[Manoel Cesar]

Linda,

Do you know where and when your Manuel de Almeida de Andrade Rodrigues married?

Manoel

2011/4/18 Linda Norton :
> Sorry getting back this late to you Manoel, but my ggrandfather was Manuel
> de Almeida de Andrade Rodrigues born around 1850's. I wonder if there is a
> connection there even though he took the Rodrigues name. He was a prominent
> man so my mother tells me. He brought down a great dowry, that his only son
> depleated. He was from Sao Roque, then Arrifes and then my grandmother (his
> daughter) ended in Ribeira Grande. I'm curious how or why he took the name.
>
> Linda
>
>

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Coelho from Santa Maria

[Linda Norton]

Sorry getting back this late to you Manoel, but my ggrandfather was Manuel
de Almeida de Andrade Rodrigues born around 1850's. I wonder if there is a
connection there even though he took the Rodrigues name. He was a prominent
man so my mother tells me. He brought down a great dowry, that his only son
depleated. He was from Sao Roque, then Arrifes and then my grandmother (his
daughter) ended in Ribeira Grande. I'm curious how or why he took the name.

Linda

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From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of
Manoel Cesar
Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2011 7:10 PM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Coelho from Santa Maria

Linda,

The history of Rodrigo Rodrigues is very interesting.

His 4th grandfather was Inácio de Moura, born in the island of Santa
Maria and married there in 1715 with Margarida de Andrade.
He was son of unknown parents (pais incógnitos), possibly son of the
great-captain (capitão-mor) of the island of Santa Maria, Inácio de
Sousa Coutinho.

The Moura family’s lands were usurped and illegally appropriated by
the widow and the heirs of the great-captain Inácio de Sousa Coutinho.
The Moura’s brought suit against the widow Maria Josefa do Canto e
Medeiros, but the legal case did not succeed and the Moura family was
then reduced to poverty.

Because of this fact one of the Inacio Moura’s grandsons, Francisco
José de Moura, dropped his surname Moura and adopted the surname
Rodrigues. He moved to the island of S. Miguel and married with Inacia
Rosa on 1796, in Matriz de Ponta Delgada.

Here are the descendants of Francisco José de Moura a.k.a. Francisco
Rodrigues:

1. João Bernardo Rodrigues m. Carlota Amalia de Sousa, on 1834 in
Matriz de Ponta
Delgada

2. João Bernardo Rodrigues m. Leonor de Arruda, on 1873 in Matriz de
Ponta Delgada

3. Rodrigo Rodrigues, b. 1873, m. Clotilde de Azevedo Oliveira, on
1900 in Matriz de
Ponta Delgada. Died on 11 december 1956, in Ponta Delgada, São Miguel.


Manoel


2011/3/29 Linda Norton :
> That was confusing with all the first and second marriages. I've found
that
> my mothers father's maternal side came down from the Travossos/Velho, but
I
> would be interested in the de Andrade since that was my mothers mother's
> paternal side which was connected to Rodrigues.
>
> Does Rodigues have his own history in the book? Does he have connection
that
> you can see with de Andrade? This would be from Sao Miguel. My mother is
> Ines de Andrade Borges. I've learned that she dropped Rodrigues as her
> mother did.
>
> The Matias Furtado de Sousa is where you, Manoel is connected. I think
> that's where we are connected as well. That is my fathers both maternal
and
> paternal side from Ribeira Grande.
>
> Thanks for this information.
>
> Linda Borges Furtado Norton
>

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Coelho from Santa Maria

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Manoel Cesar Furtado

Thank you for the family line of Mendonca.  Patsy and I have a Jerome  
Mendonca married to our Great Aunt Mary Vieira Anselmo in the 1900  California. 
 
This may or may not be a connection so we will file it under  future 
research.  Thank you for sharing the info with the group, it is  interesting to 
read all the different family lines even if there is no  connection.  Soa 
Miguel is a small island (even though the largest of the  Azores) so the 
possibility of a connection is there.
 
Thanks to you and all who share.
 
 
Ally
Vieira Anselmo in Ribeira Seca, Sao Miguel Pinheiro, Nunes,  Silveira in 
Praia do Almoxarife and Pedro Miguel, Faial
Silveira,  Rodrigues in Sao Jorge
 
 

 
 
I’ve done a research throughout the two main sources we have,  Saudades da
Terra by Frei Gaspar Frutuoso, and Genealogias de S. Miguel by  Rodrigo
Rodrigues, in order to indentify the first Furtado families that came  to S.
Miguel at the beginning of the colonization, and passed the Furtado  surname
to their descendants, and I found the following  families:


1. Martim Anes Furtado de Sousa – from the island of  Madeira

2. Ana (or Mecia) Gonçalves daughter of Jorge (Furtado) de  Mendonça –
married with Rui Vaz de  Medeiros in the island of  Madeira

3. Rodrigo Afonso (Furtado) married with Mecia Gonçalves or  Afonso – He was
from Faro, Algarve, Portugal (Not sure if the suname came  from him or from
his wife)

4. Isabel Furtado and Inês de Albernaz  (Furtado), daughters of João de
Albernaz from the island of Faial

5.  Beatriz Furtado, from the island of Graciosa, wife of Simão Pires son  
of
Duarte Pires da Rocha who married for the second time with Inês de  Albernaz
(Furtado).

6. Isabel Furtado, daughter of João Luiz and  Francisca Furtado, married 
with
Baltazar Ferreira whose father Gaspar  Ferreira married for the second time
with a Francisca Furtado.

7.  Frutuoso Dias (Furtado) – Frei Gaspar Frutuoso’s father


It´s so  interesting that Frei Gaspar Frutuoso was from a Furtado family  
and
unfortunately for us he has been very discreet about his own family in  his
work Saudades da Terra. But, in the chapter on Rui Vaz de Medeiros he  give
us a precious hint about the common origin of the Furtado’s in the  island 
of
S. Miguel. Talking about the wife of Rui Vaz de Medeiros, Ana  Gonçalves, he
says she was "daughter of a noble citizen Jorge de Mendonça who  has many
relatives nowadays (c.
1560) with the surname Mendonça and the  surname Furtado".


Manoel Cesar Furtado


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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Coelho from Santa Maria

[Linda Norton]

Sorry for the hiccups, but it seems it does this only when I reply on this
site???

Any, thanks Manoel. I will have to find out which line I am descending from
then.

Thanks,

Linda Borges Furtado Norton 

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Manoel Cesar
Sent: Saturday, April 09, 2011 5:22 PM
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Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Coelho from Santa Maria

Linda,

I’ve done a research throughout the two main sources we have, Saudades da
Terra by Frei Gaspar Frutuoso, and Genealogias de S. Miguel by Rodrigo
Rodrigues, in order to indentify the first Furtado families that came to S.
Miguel at the beginning of the colonization, and passed the Furtado surname
to their descendants, and I found the following families:


1. Martim Anes Furtado de Sousa – from the island of Madeira

2. Ana (or Mecia) Gonçalves daughter of Jorge (Furtado) de Mendonça –
married with Rui Vaz de  Medeiros in the island of Madeira

3. Rodrigo Afonso (Furtado) married with Mecia Gonçalves or Afonso – He was
from Faro, Algarve, Portugal (Not sure if the suname came from him or from
his wife)

4. Isabel Furtado and Inês de Albernaz (Furtado), daughters of João de
Albernaz from the island of Faial

5. Beatriz Furtado, from the island of Graciosa, wife of Simão Pires son of
Duarte Pires da Rocha who married for the second time with Inês de Albernaz
(Furtado).

6. Isabel Furtado, daughter of João Luiz and Francisca Furtado, married with
Baltazar Ferreira whose father Gaspar Ferreira married for the second time
with a Francisca Furtado.

7. Frutuoso Dias (Furtado) – Frei Gaspar Frutuoso’s father


It´s so interesting that Frei Gaspar Frutuoso was from a Furtado family and
unfortunately for us he has been very discreet about his own family in his
work Saudades da Terra. But, in the chapter on Rui Vaz de Medeiros he give
us a precious hint about the common origin of the Furtado’s in the island of
S. Miguel. Talking about the wife of Rui Vaz de Medeiros, Ana Gonçalves, he
says she was "daughter of a noble citizen Jorge de Mendonça who has many
relatives nowadays (c.
1560) with the surname Mendonça and the surname Furtado".


Manoel Cesar Furtado



2011/3/30 Linda Norton :
> I believe most of us are cousins by interrelated marriages. As you had 
> once told me the first Furtado to come to the island of Sao Miguel had 
> brought down that name through the male and female lines.
>
> As I told Pat Girard I don't believe there are dead ends. I have 
> cousins married within my parents lines together and within their own 
> lines together. I look back and see the same names in both my father's 
> lines that's in my mother's lines, why is that.
>
> I also think it's another reason why children didn't survive because 
> of the same blood lines.
>
> Sorry, but that's what I believe.
>
> You have Furtado and de Sousa from Ribeira Grande as I do and we 
> aren't related there?
>
> My mothers father's maternal side, Rosa (possibly a name dropped) came 
> down from the Travossos/Cabral/Velho line.
>
> Linda
>
>
>--
Manoel Cesar Furtado
man...@gmail.com

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Coelho from Santa Maria

[Linda Norton]

 

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From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of
Manoel Cesar
Sent: Saturday, April 09, 2011 5:22 PM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Coelho from Santa Maria

Linda,

I’ve done a research throughout the two main sources we have, Saudades da
Terra by Frei Gaspar Frutuoso, and Genealogias de S. Miguel by Rodrigo
Rodrigues, in order to indentify the first Furtado families that came to S.
Miguel at the beginning of the colonization, and passed the Furtado surname
to their descendants, and I found the following families:


1. Martim Anes Furtado de Sousa – from the island of Madeira

2. Ana (or Mecia) Gonçalves daughter of Jorge (Furtado) de Mendonça –
married with Rui Vaz de  Medeiros in the island of Madeira

3. Rodrigo Afonso (Furtado) married with Mecia Gonçalves or Afonso – He was
from Faro, Algarve, Portugal (Not sure if the suname came from him or from
his wife)

4. Isabel Furtado and Inês de Albernaz (Furtado), daughters of João de
Albernaz from the island of Faial

5. Beatriz Furtado, from the island of Graciosa, wife of Simão Pires son of
Duarte Pires da Rocha who married for the second time with Inês de Albernaz
(Furtado).

6. Isabel Furtado, daughter of João Luiz and Francisca Furtado, married with
Baltazar Ferreira whose father Gaspar Ferreira married for the second time
with a Francisca Furtado.

7. Frutuoso Dias (Furtado) – Frei Gaspar Frutuoso’s father


It´s so interesting that Frei Gaspar Frutuoso was from a Furtado family and
unfortunately for us he has been very discreet about his own family in his
work Saudades da Terra. But, in the chapter on Rui Vaz de Medeiros he give
us a precious hint about the common origin of the Furtado’s in the island of
S. Miguel. Talking about the wife of Rui Vaz de Medeiros, Ana Gonçalves, he
says she was "daughter of a noble citizen Jorge de Mendonça who has many
relatives nowadays (c.
1560) with the surname Mendonça and the surname Furtado".


Manoel Cesar Furtado



2011/3/30 Linda Norton :
> I believe most of us are cousins by interrelated marriages. As you had 
> once told me the first Furtado to come to the island of Sao Miguel had 
> brought down that name through the male and female lines.
>
> As I told Pat Girard I don't believe there are dead ends. I have 
> cousins married within my parents lines together and within their own 
> lines together. I look back and see the same names in both my father's 
> lines that's in my mother's lines, why is that.
>
> I also think it's another reason why children didn't survive because 
> of the same blood lines.
>
> Sorry, but that's what I believe.
>
> You have Furtado and de Sousa from Ribeira Grande as I do and we 
> aren't related there?
>
> My mothers father's maternal side, Rosa (possibly a name dropped) came 
> down from the Travossos/Cabral/Velho line.
>
> Linda
>
>
>--
Manoel Cesar Furtado
man...@gmail.com

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Coelho from Santa Maria

[Linda Norton]

 

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From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of
Manoel Cesar
Sent: Saturday, April 09, 2011 5:22 PM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Coelho from Santa Maria

Linda,

I’ve done a research throughout the two main sources we have, Saudades da
Terra by Frei Gaspar Frutuoso, and Genealogias de S. Miguel by Rodrigo
Rodrigues, in order to indentify the first Furtado families that came to S.
Miguel at the beginning of the colonization, and passed the Furtado surname
to their descendants, and I found the following families:


1. Martim Anes Furtado de Sousa – from the island of Madeira

2. Ana (or Mecia) Gonçalves daughter of Jorge (Furtado) de Mendonça –
married with Rui Vaz de  Medeiros in the island of Madeira

3. Rodrigo Afonso (Furtado) married with Mecia Gonçalves or Afonso – He was
from Faro, Algarve, Portugal (Not sure if the suname came from him or from
his wife)

4. Isabel Furtado and Inês de Albernaz (Furtado), daughters of João de
Albernaz from the island of Faial

5. Beatriz Furtado, from the island of Graciosa, wife of Simão Pires son of
Duarte Pires da Rocha who married for the second time with Inês de Albernaz
(Furtado).

6. Isabel Furtado, daughter of João Luiz and Francisca Furtado, married with
Baltazar Ferreira whose father Gaspar Ferreira married for the second time
with a Francisca Furtado.

7. Frutuoso Dias (Furtado) – Frei Gaspar Frutuoso’s father


It´s so interesting that Frei Gaspar Frutuoso was from a Furtado family and
unfortunately for us he has been very discreet about his own family in his
work Saudades da Terra. But, in the chapter on Rui Vaz de Medeiros he give
us a precious hint about the common origin of the Furtado’s in the island of
S. Miguel. Talking about the wife of Rui Vaz de Medeiros, Ana Gonçalves, he
says she was "daughter of a noble citizen Jorge de Mendonça who has many
relatives nowadays (c.
1560) with the surname Mendonça and the surname Furtado".


Manoel Cesar Furtado



2011/3/30 Linda Norton :
> I believe most of us are cousins by interrelated marriages. As you had 
> once told me the first Furtado to come to the island of Sao Miguel had 
> brought down that name through the male and female lines.
>
> As I told Pat Girard I don't believe there are dead ends. I have 
> cousins married within my parents lines together and within their own 
> lines together. I look back and see the same names in both my father's 
> lines that's in my mother's lines, why is that.
>
> I also think it's another reason why children didn't survive because 
> of the same blood lines.
>
> Sorry, but that's what I believe.
>
> You have Furtado and de Sousa from Ribeira Grande as I do and we 
> aren't related there?
>
> My mothers father's maternal side, Rosa (possibly a name dropped) came 
> down from the Travossos/Cabral/Velho line.
>
> Linda
>
>
>--
Manoel Cesar Furtado
man...@gmail.com

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Coelho from Santa Maria

[Manoel Cesar]

Linda,

I’ve done a research throughout the two main sources we have, Saudades
da Terra by Frei Gaspar Frutuoso, and Genealogias de S. Miguel by
Rodrigo Rodrigues, in order to indentify the first Furtado families
that came to S. Miguel at the beginning of the colonization, and
passed the Furtado surname to their descendants, and I found the
following families:


1. Martim Anes Furtado de Sousa – from the island of Madeira

2. Ana (or Mecia) Gonçalves daughter of Jorge (Furtado) de Mendonça –
married with Rui Vaz de  Medeiros in the island of Madeira

3. Rodrigo Afonso (Furtado) married with Mecia Gonçalves or Afonso –
He was from Faro, Algarve, Portugal (Not sure if the suname came from
him or from his wife)

4. Isabel Furtado and Inês de Albernaz (Furtado), daughters of João de
Albernaz from the island of Faial

5. Beatriz Furtado, from the island of Graciosa, wife of Simão Pires
son of Duarte Pires da Rocha who married for the second time with Inês
de Albernaz (Furtado).

6. Isabel Furtado, daughter of João Luiz and Francisca Furtado,
married with Baltazar Ferreira whose father Gaspar Ferreira married
for the second time with a Francisca Furtado.

7. Frutuoso Dias (Furtado) – Frei Gaspar Frutuoso’s father


It´s so interesting that Frei Gaspar Frutuoso was from a Furtado
family and unfortunately for us he has been very discreet about his
own family in his work Saudades da Terra. But, in the chapter on Rui
Vaz de Medeiros he give us a precious hint about the common origin of
the Furtado’s in the island of S. Miguel. Talking about the wife of
Rui Vaz de Medeiros, Ana Gonçalves, he says she was "daughter of a
noble citizen Jorge de Mendonça who has many relatives nowadays (c.
1560) with the surname Mendonça and the surname Furtado".


Manoel Cesar Furtado



2011/3/30 Linda Norton :
> I believe most of us are cousins by interrelated marriages. As you had once
> told me the first Furtado to come to the island of Sao Miguel had brought
> down that name through the male and female lines.
>
> As I told Pat Girard I don't believe there are dead ends. I have cousins
> married within my parents lines together and within their own lines
> together. I look back and see the same names in both my father's lines
> that's in my mother's lines, why is that.
>
> I also think it's another reason why children didn't survive because of the
> same blood lines.
>
> Sorry, but that's what I believe.
>
> You have Furtado and de Sousa from Ribeira Grande as I do and we aren't
> related there?
>
> My mothers father's maternal side, Rosa (possibly a name dropped) came down
> from the Travossos/Cabral/Velho line.
>
> Linda
>
>
>--
Manoel Cesar Furtado
man...@gmail.com

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Coelho from Santa Maria

[netadosAcores]

Debbie,
 
Thank you for sharing all the info.  
 
 
 
Ally
Vieira Anselmo in Ribeira Seca, Sao Miguel  
Pinheiro, Nunes, Silveira in Praia do Almoxarife and Pedro  Miguel, Faial
Silveira, Rodrigues in Sao Jorge







In a message dated 3/30/2011 2:56:50 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time,  
wolgemut...@msn.com writes:

Linda,

My cousin worked for a physician in the Bay  Area and he treated many 
Azorean Portuguese patients.  Once he found that  my cousin was Azorean 
Portuguese, the doctor noted to my cousin that  there were several physical 
problems 
to look for because of the family  "interbreeding" on the small islands.

I googled this topic  and found the following illnesses related to Azorean  
Portuguese:

Azorean Disease (Machado-Joseph Disease, Joseph  Disease, Spinocerebelllar 
ataxia type III)  
_http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/96243/azorean_disease_the_plight_of_portuguese.html?cat=70_
 
(http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/96243/azorean_disease_the_plight_of_portuguese.html?cat=70)
 ,  
_http://www.novelguide.com/a/discover/gegd_0002_0001_0/gegd_0002_0001_0_00053.ht
ml_ 
(http://www.novelguide.com/a/discover/gegd_0002_0001_0/gegd_0002_0001_0_00053.html)
 

Bipolar  / Schizophrenia research project in the Azores 
_http://www.usc.edu/dept/pubrel/trojan_family/winter07/island.html_ 
(http://www.usc.edu/dept/pubrel/trojan_family/winter07/island.html) 

My  great-grandfather and my grandmother had ataxia type III.  It 
manifested  itself when they were in their late 70's.  My grandmother was 
picked up  
by the police several times when walking for exercise because they received  
calls that a drunk woman was walking on the streets.  She wasn't drunk  but 
just started losing control of her limbs.  My father begged her to  stop 
and eventually she quit walking on the streets and just around her  retirement 
complex.  Eventually my ggfather and  grandmother were bedridden in their 
80's when their legs totally gave  out.

There is family lore of a Freitas brother of my  great-grandmother who was 
mentally ill.  I haven't been able to find any  references to him in the US 
census records yet.  He immigrated from the  Flores island and lived with a 
variety of Californian relatives from time to  time.  He burned down a home 
that he lived in.

I know an  Azorean Portuguese descendant who has been in a California 
mental institution  for almost 20 years with bipolar/schizophrenia.

I have been  noting disease trends in my genealogy research.  There is 
alcoholism  on my mother's side of the family and I've traced back its roots to 
the  mid-1800's.  On my husband's side of the family, I've noted the  
generic trend of certain relatives having a bicuspid heart valve.  I  think 
that 
it is an important aspect of genealogy research that can be helpful  to 
descendants reviewing our genealogy records.

Linda, you  don't have to worry about having an opinion about Azorean 
family  intermarriages and illness.  It is a  reality. 


Debbie  Wolgemuth
Researching  Azoreans:  Jorge (Flores), Freitas (Flores), Enos (San 
Miguel), Silveira  Matos (Faial), Rodrigues (unknown)
Immigrated to:  Merced,  CA 




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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Coelho from Santa Maria

[Linda Norton]

I have heard and it was discussed on line a while back about Machado-Joseph
Disease.
 
My mother use to tell me that my father's brother, my uncle, was not quite
right, but would say that there were rumors it was because of interbreeding
and he has a heart problem which could be the biscupid heart valve because I
remember them talking about something like that.
 
My mother's niece had three daughters and one son, but one of the daughters
had a health issue. The parents were born in Sao Miguel, but the children
were all born in the states. They brought this daughter to Mass General
Hospital, Boston and I remember my mother telling me that she had some type
of blood disorder and I think lactose intolerant too, but was told by this
doctor they there was some type of interbreeding at some point.
 
Alcoholism was definitely a problem. My mother's father and brother were
total alcoholics. My mother and father did not drink at all, maybe a glass
of wine at functions, but that was it. My father's brothers who I mentioned
above were big drinkers, but one has passed on and the one above had to stop
because of his health issues. It's amazing how that affected their lives,
too. It would be nothing for them to drink 180 proof. I know the wines don't
have the sulfate like we do here which is so much better, but it was like
they had nothing else to do, but drink. What a disease that is.
 
I remember growing up and hearing cousins shouldn't marry cousins because of
mental illnesses that could come about. I guess we've learned that over time
and being so populated it really doesn't come about as often of course. Did
you know that past President Franklin D. and Eleanor Roosevelt were cousins,
I want to say third cousins.
 
I think these diseases that you mentioned were definitely from
interbreeding.
 
My husbands family are from Canada and Maine and his mother's paternal side
has schizophrenia, two or three died from that line because of it. You do
wonder.
 
Linda
 
 
 
 

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From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of
Debra Wolgemuth
Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2011 11:53 AM
To: Azores Genealogy
Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Coelho from Santa Maria


Linda,
 
My cousin worked for a physician in the Bay Area and he treated many Azorean
Portuguese patients.  Once he found that my cousin was Azorean Portuguese,
the doctor noted to my cousin that there were several physical problems to
look for because of the family "interbreeding" on the small islands.
 
I googled this topic and found the following illnesses related to Azorean
Portuguese:
 
Azorean Disease (Machado-Joseph Disease, Joseph Disease, Spinocerebelllar
ataxia type III)
http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/96243/azorean_disease_the_plight_of
_portuguese.html?cat=70,
http://www.novelguide.com/a/discover/gegd_0002_0001_0/gegd_0002_0001_0_00053
.html
 
Bipolar / Schizophrenia research project in the Azores
http://www.usc.edu/dept/pubrel/trojan_family/winter07/island.html
 
My great-grandfather and my grandmother had ataxia type III.  It manifested
itself when they were in their late 70's.  My grandmother was picked up by
the police several times when walking for exercise because they received
calls that a drunk woman was walking on the streets.  She wasn't drunk but
just started losing control of her limbs.  My father begged her to stop and
eventually she quit walking on the streets and just around her retirement
complex.  Eventually my ggfather and grandmother were bedridden in their
80's when their legs totally gave out.
 
There is family lore of a Freitas brother of my great-grandmother who was
mentally ill.  I haven't been able to find any references to him in the US
census records yet.  He immigrated from the Flores island and lived with a
variety of Californian relatives from time to time.  He burned down a home
that he lived in.
 
I know an Azorean Portuguese descendant who has been in a California mental
institution for almost 20 years with bipolar/schizophrenia.
 
I have been noting disease trends in my genealogy research.  There is
alcoholism on my mother's side of the family and I've traced back its roots
to the mid-1800's.  On my husband's side of the family, I've noted the
generic trend of certain relatives having a bicuspid heart valve.  I think
that it is an important aspect of genealogy research that can be helpful to
descendants reviewing our genealogy records.
 
Linda, you don't have to worry about having an opinion about Azorean family
intermarriages and illness.  It is a reality. 


Debbie Wolgemuth
Researching Azoreans:  Jorge (Flores), Freitas (Flores), Enos (San Miguel),
Silveira Matos (Faial), Rodrigues (unknown)
Immigrated to:  Merced, CA 

 


> From: patli...@verizon.net
> To: azores@googlegroups.com
> CC: man...@netsite.com.br
> Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Coelho from S

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Coelho from Santa Maria

[helen kerner]

Nancy Jean,

I agree.  It's messing up my filing system.

helen cunha kerner





From: nancy jean baptiste 
To: azores group 
Sent: Wed, March 30, 2011 3:37:13 PM
Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Coelho from Santa Maria

Greetings,
While I find this to be a very interesting subject I feel that the thread 
regarding the Coelho's from Santa Maria has been absconded. The subject of 
cousin marriages and desease's related to our people for various reasons 
deserves a thread all of it's ownsome people would like the info and others 
looking for Coelho's will be disappointed to have to read 15 messages before 
finding the origional posting in search of COELHO's!.
Let's start a desease /genetic thread all it's own!
Thanks,
Nancy Jean
researching Santa Maria for Coelho, Moreira, Andrade and Cabral
 
> From: patli...@verizon.net
> To: azores@googlegroups.com
> Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Coelho from Santa Maria
> Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2011 07:58:06 -0400
> 
> 
> 
> I believe most of us are cousins by interrelated marriages. As you had once
> told me the first Furtado to come to the island of Sao Miguel had brought
> down that name through the male and female lines.
> 
> As I told Pat Girard I don't believe there are dead ends. I have cousins
> married within my parents lines together and within their own lines
> together. I look back and see the same names in both my father's lines
> that's in my mother's lines, why is that.
> 
> I also think it's another reason why children didn't survive because of the
> same blood lines.
> 
> Sorry, but that's what I believe.
> 
> You have Furtado and de Sousa from Ribeira Grande as I do and we aren't
> related there?
> 
> My mothers father's maternal side, Rosa (possibly a name dropped) came down
> from the Travossos/Cabral/Velho line.
> 
> Linda
> 
> 
> -Original Message-----
> From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of
> Manoel Cesar
> Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2011 3:06 PM
> To: azores@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Coelho from Santa Maria
> 
> Linda,
> 
> One must be careful about surnames in Azores.
> They come from the parents, from the father or the mother; come from
> paternal or maternal grand-fathers or grand-mothers, or even from great
> grandparents. And, also important, sometimes, not so often, they are simply
> adopted, with no connections to the original surmanes of the family.
> 
> In this case concerning Jorge Velho married to Africa Anes, the surname
> Velho was adopted.
> Frutuoso says that Jorge Velho was nephew of the King of Fez, and he was
> baptized at the presence of the Prince (Infante) D. Henrique, took the
> christian forename Jorge and has honored Gonçalo Velho (Cabral) with the
> surname Velho.
> 
> Catarina Nunes Velho married to Jorge Furtado was from the true Velho's,
> connected to the family of Gonçalo Velho (Cabral) who was sent to Azores in
> 1444 by Prince D. Henrique in order to colonize the islands of Santa Maria
> and São Miguel.
> Gonçalo Velho (Cabral) brought his nephews Pedro and Nuno, sons of his
> sister Violante Velho Cabral who was married to Diogo Gonçalves de
> Travassos.
> 
> You and I do descend from Pedro, but not through the Furtado line, as far as
> know.
> 
> Our common ancestors in this line are João Rebelo and Maria Travassos,
> maried about 1600. Their daughter Ana Cabral, born 30 Apr 1606 in Ribeira
> Frande, S. Miguel, is the 3rd grandmother of Rita de Jesus, my 4th
> grandmother who married my 4th grandfather José Furtado born 19 Mar 1784 in
> Vila Franca do Campo, S. Miguel.
> 
> 
> Manoel
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 2011/3/29 Linda Norton :
> > Hi Margaret and Manoel,
> >
> > Manoel, you gave me this info years ago:
> >
> > According to Frutuoso, Jorge Furtado was grandson of Martin Anes 
> > Furtado de Sousa from S. Miguel. He married first to Catarina Nunes 
> > Velho and had Leonardo Furtado and a daughter ?name. Leonardo married 
> > Beatriz Perdigoa and they had Jorge Furtado, Francisco Furtado and 
> > Maria de Sousa. Jorge Furtado married again to Guimar Camelo, had four
> children, one named Jorge as well.
> > Also, descendants of Martim Anes Furtado de Sousa and the reference to 
> > Jorge Furtado de Mendonca brought by Frutuoso in his book on the male
> lines.
> >
> > There is another line of Furtado's through the females. Diogo Afonso 
> > Columbreiro, son of Afonso Anes da Costa m. Branca Roiz de Medeiros, 
> > daughter of Rui Vaz de Medeiros and Ana/Mecia Goncalves, daughter of 
> > Jorge de Mendonca. The son

RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Coelho from Santa Maria

[nancy jean baptiste]

Greetings,
While I find this to be a very interesting subject I feel that the thread 
regarding the Coelho's from Santa Maria has been absconded. The subject of 
cousin marriages and desease's related to our people for various reasons 
deserves a thread all of it's ownsome people would like the info and others 
looking for Coelho's will be disappointed to have to read 15 messages before 
finding the origional posting in search of COELHO's!.
Let's start a desease /genetic thread all it's own!
Thanks,
Nancy Jean
researching Santa Maria for Coelho, Moreira, Andrade and Cabral
 
> From: patli...@verizon.net
> To: azores@googlegroups.com
> Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Coelho from Santa Maria
> Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2011 07:58:06 -0400
> 
> 
> 
> I believe most of us are cousins by interrelated marriages. As you had once
> told me the first Furtado to come to the island of Sao Miguel had brought
> down that name through the male and female lines.
> 
> As I told Pat Girard I don't believe there are dead ends. I have cousins
> married within my parents lines together and within their own lines
> together. I look back and see the same names in both my father's lines
> that's in my mother's lines, why is that.
> 
> I also think it's another reason why children didn't survive because of the
> same blood lines.
> 
> Sorry, but that's what I believe.
> 
> You have Furtado and de Sousa from Ribeira Grande as I do and we aren't
> related there?
> 
> My mothers father's maternal side, Rosa (possibly a name dropped) came down
> from the Travossos/Cabral/Velho line.
> 
> Linda
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of
> Manoel Cesar
> Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2011 3:06 PM
> To: azores@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Coelho from Santa Maria
> 
> Linda,
> 
> One must be careful about surnames in Azores.
> They come from the parents, from the father or the mother; come from
> paternal or maternal grand-fathers or grand-mothers, or even from great
> grandparents. And, also important, sometimes, not so often, they are simply
> adopted, with no connections to the original surmanes of the family.
> 
> In this case concerning Jorge Velho married to Africa Anes, the surname
> Velho was adopted.
> Frutuoso says that Jorge Velho was nephew of the King of Fez, and he was
> baptized at the presence of the Prince (Infante) D. Henrique, took the
> christian forename Jorge and has honored Gonçalo Velho (Cabral) with the
> surname Velho.
> 
> Catarina Nunes Velho married to Jorge Furtado was from the true Velho's,
> connected to the family of Gonçalo Velho (Cabral) who was sent to Azores in
> 1444 by Prince D. Henrique in order to colonize the islands of Santa Maria
> and São Miguel.
> Gonçalo Velho (Cabral) brought his nephews Pedro and Nuno, sons of his
> sister Violante Velho Cabral who was married to Diogo Gonçalves de
> Travassos.
> 
> You and I do descend from Pedro, but not through the Furtado line, as far as
> know.
> 
> Our common ancestors in this line are João Rebelo and Maria Travassos,
> maried about 1600. Their daughter Ana Cabral, born 30 Apr 1606 in Ribeira
> Frande, S. Miguel, is the 3rd grandmother of Rita de Jesus, my 4th
> grandmother who married my 4th grandfather José Furtado born 19 Mar 1784 in
> Vila Franca do Campo, S. Miguel.
> 
> 
> Manoel
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 2011/3/29 Linda Norton :
> > Hi Margaret and Manoel,
> >
> > Manoel, you gave me this info years ago:
> >
> > According to Frutuoso, Jorge Furtado was grandson of Martin Anes 
> > Furtado de Sousa from S. Miguel. He married first to Catarina Nunes 
> > Velho and had Leonardo Furtado and a daughter ?name. Leonardo married 
> > Beatriz Perdigoa and they had Jorge Furtado, Francisco Furtado and 
> > Maria de Sousa. Jorge Furtado married again to Guimar Camelo, had four
> children, one named Jorge as well.
> > Also, descendants of Martim Anes Furtado de Sousa and the reference to 
> > Jorge Furtado de Mendonca brought by Frutuoso in his book on the male
> lines.
> >
> > There is another line of Furtado's through the females. Diogo Afonso 
> > Columbreiro, son of Afonso Anes da Costa m. Branca Roiz de Medeiros, 
> > daughter of Rui Vaz de Medeiros and Ana/Mecia Goncalves, daughter of 
> > Jorge de Mendonca. The sons of Diogo and Branca are Pedro Furtado and 
> > Sebastiao Afonso. I think Sebastiao had a son, Aleixos Furtado de 
> > Mendonca. So, Jorge Furtado de Mendonca under the Medeiros chapter has 
> > his surname passed by his daugher in the isl

RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Coelho from Santa Maria

[Debra Wolgemuth]

Linda,
 
My cousin worked for a physician in the Bay Area and he treated many Azorean 
Portuguese patients.  Once he found that my cousin was Azorean Portuguese, the 
doctor noted to my cousin that there were several physical problems to look for 
because of the family "interbreeding" on the small islands.
 
I googled this topic and found the following illnesses related to Azorean 
Portuguese:
 
Azorean Disease (Machado-Joseph Disease, Joseph Disease, Spinocerebelllar 
ataxia type III)  
http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/96243/azorean_disease_the_plight_of_portuguese.html?cat=70,
 
http://www.novelguide.com/a/discover/gegd_0002_0001_0/gegd_0002_0001_0_00053.html
 
Bipolar / Schizophrenia research project in the Azores 
http://www.usc.edu/dept/pubrel/trojan_family/winter07/island.html
 
My great-grandfather and my grandmother had ataxia type III.  It manifested 
itself when they were in their late 70's.  My grandmother was picked up by the 
police several times when walking for exercise because they received calls that 
a drunk woman was walking on the streets.  She wasn't drunk but just started 
losing control of her limbs.  My father begged her to stop and eventually she 
quit walking on the streets and just around her retirement complex.  Eventually 
my ggfather and grandmother were bedridden in their 80's when their legs 
totally gave out.
 
There is family lore of a Freitas brother of my great-grandmother who was 
mentally ill.  I haven't been able to find any references to him in the US 
census records yet.  He immigrated from the Flores island and lived with a 
variety of Californian relatives from time to time.  He burned down a home that 
he lived in.
 
I know an Azorean Portuguese descendant who has been in a California mental 
institution for almost 20 years with bipolar/schizophrenia.
 
I have been noting disease trends in my genealogy research.  There is 
alcoholism on my mother's side of the family and I've traced back its roots to 
the mid-1800's.  On my husband's side of the family, I've noted the generic 
trend of certain relatives having a bicuspid heart valve.  I think that it is 
an important aspect of genealogy research that can be helpful to descendants 
reviewing our genealogy records.
 
Linda, you don't have to worry about having an opinion about Azorean family 
intermarriages and illness.  It is a reality. 


Debbie Wolgemuth
Researching Azoreans:  Jorge (Flores), Freitas (Flores), Enos (San Miguel), 
Silveira Matos (Faial), Rodrigues (unknown)
Immigrated to:  Merced, CA 

 



> From: patli...@verizon.net
> To: azores@googlegroups.com
> CC: man...@netsite.com.br
> Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Coelho from Santa Maria
> Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2011 01:23:49 -0400
> 
> I believe most of us are cousins by interrelated marriages. As you had once
> told me the first Furtado to come to the island of Sao Miguel had brought
> down that name through the male and female lines.
> 
> As I told Pat Girard I don't believe there are dead ends. I have cousins
> married within my parents lines together and within their own lines
> together. I look back and see the same names in both my father's lines
> that's in my mother's lines, why is that.
> 
> I also think it's another reason why children didn't survive because of the
> same blood lines.
> 
> Sorry, but that's what I believe.
> 
> You have Furtado and de Sousa from Ribeira Grande as I do and we aren't
> related there?
> 
> My mothers father's maternal side, Rosa (possibly a name dropped) came down
> from the Travossos/Cabral/Velho line.
> 
> Linda
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of
> Manoel Cesar
> Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2011 3:06 PM
> To: azores@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Coelho from Santa Maria
> 
> Linda,
> 
> One must be careful about surnames in Azores.
> They come from the parents, from the father or the mother; come from
> paternal or maternal grand-fathers or grand-mothers, or even from great
> grandparents. And, also important, sometimes, not so often, they are simply
> adopted, with no connections to the original surmanes of the family.
> 
> In this case concerning Jorge Velho married to Africa Anes, the surname
> Velho was adopted.
> Frutuoso says that Jorge Velho was nephew of the King of Fez, and he was
> baptized at the presence of the Prince (Infante) D. Henrique, took the
> christian forename Jorge and has honored Gonçalo Velho (Cabral) with the
> surname Velho.
> 
> Catarina Nunes Velho married to Jorge Furtado was from the true Velho's,
> connected to the family of Gonçalo Velho (Cabral) who was sent to Azores in
> 1444 by Prince D. Henrique in ord

RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Coelho from Santa Maria

[Linda Norton]

I believe most of us are cousins by interrelated marriages. As you had once
told me the first Furtado to come to the island of Sao Miguel had brought
down that name through the male and female lines.

As I told Pat Girard I don't believe there are dead ends. I have cousins
married within my parents lines together and within their own lines
together. I look back and see the same names in both my father's lines
that's in my mother's lines, why is that.

I also think it's another reason why children didn't survive because of the
same blood lines.

Sorry, but that's what I believe.

You have Furtado and de Sousa from Ribeira Grande as I do and we aren't
related there?

My mothers father's maternal side, Rosa (possibly a name dropped) came down
from the Travossos/Cabral/Velho line.

Linda


-Original Message-
From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of
Manoel Cesar
Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2011 3:06 PM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Coelho from Santa Maria

Linda,

One must be careful about surnames in Azores.
They come from the parents, from the father or the mother; come from
paternal or maternal grand-fathers or grand-mothers, or even from great
grandparents. And, also important, sometimes, not so often, they are simply
adopted, with no connections to the original surmanes of the family.

In this case concerning Jorge Velho married to Africa Anes, the surname
Velho was adopted.
Frutuoso says that Jorge Velho was nephew of the King of Fez, and he was
baptized at the presence of the Prince (Infante) D. Henrique, took the
christian forename Jorge and has honored Gonçalo Velho (Cabral) with the
surname Velho.

Catarina Nunes Velho married to Jorge Furtado was from the true Velho's,
connected to the family of Gonçalo Velho (Cabral) who was sent to Azores in
1444 by Prince D. Henrique in order to colonize the islands of Santa Maria
and São Miguel.
Gonçalo Velho (Cabral) brought his nephews Pedro and Nuno, sons of his
sister Violante Velho Cabral who was married to Diogo Gonçalves de
Travassos.

You and I do descend from Pedro, but not through the Furtado line, as far as
know.

Our common ancestors in this line are João Rebelo and Maria Travassos,
maried about 1600. Their daughter Ana Cabral, born 30 Apr 1606 in Ribeira
Frande, S. Miguel, is the 3rd grandmother of Rita de Jesus, my 4th
grandmother who married my 4th grandfather José Furtado born 19 Mar 1784 in
Vila Franca do Campo, S. Miguel.


Manoel




2011/3/29 Linda Norton :
> Hi Margaret and Manoel,
>
> Manoel, you gave me this info years ago:
>
> According to Frutuoso, Jorge Furtado was grandson of Martin Anes 
> Furtado de Sousa from S. Miguel. He married first to Catarina Nunes 
> Velho and had Leonardo Furtado and a daughter ?name. Leonardo married 
> Beatriz Perdigoa and they had Jorge Furtado, Francisco Furtado and 
> Maria de Sousa. Jorge Furtado married again to Guimar Camelo, had four
children, one named Jorge as well.
> Also, descendants of Martim Anes Furtado de Sousa and the reference to 
> Jorge Furtado de Mendonca brought by Frutuoso in his book on the male
lines.
>
> There is another line of Furtado's through the females. Diogo Afonso 
> Columbreiro, son of Afonso Anes da Costa m. Branca Roiz de Medeiros, 
> daughter of Rui Vaz de Medeiros and Ana/Mecia Goncalves, daughter of 
> Jorge de Mendonca. The sons of Diogo and Branca are Pedro Furtado and 
> Sebastiao Afonso. I think Sebastiao had a son, Aleixos Furtado de 
> Mendonca. So, Jorge Furtado de Mendonca under the Medeiros chapter has 
> his surname passed by his daugher in the island on a distant third 
> gradson and the brother of Diogo, also named Afonso Anes as his father 
> married Ines Martins daughter of Martim Anes Furtado de Sousa.
>
> I am going to take a shot in saying that Africa Anes and Jorge Velho 
> brought down these lines both on female and male sides? So can I say 
> we have an Anes/Velho club in this group?
>
> Linda Borges Furtado Norton
>
>

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Coelho from Santa Maria

[Linda Norton]

That is very interesting. 

I guess I'm still going with - Antonio Rodrigues m. Brisida Resendes from
Matriz, R.G. or Sebastio Rodrigues m. to Catarina Velho to bring down my
Manuel Rodrigues from Sao Roque, Sao Miguel.

Linda 

-Original Message-
From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of
Manoel Cesar
Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2011 7:10 PM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Coelho from Santa Maria

Linda,

The history of Rodrigo Rodrigues is very interesting.

His 4th grandfather was Inácio de Moura, born in the island of Santa Maria
and married there in 1715 with Margarida de Andrade.
He was son of unknown parents (pais incógnitos), possibly son of the
great-captain (capitão-mor) of the island of Santa Maria, Inácio de Sousa
Coutinho.

The Moura family’s lands were usurped and illegally appropriated by the
widow and the heirs of the great-captain Inácio de Sousa Coutinho.
The Moura’s brought suit against the widow Maria Josefa do Canto e Medeiros,
but the legal case did not succeed and the Moura family was then reduced to
poverty.

Because of this fact one of the Inacio Moura’s grandsons, Francisco José de
Moura, dropped his surname Moura and adopted the surname Rodrigues. He moved
to the island of S. Miguel and married with Inacia Rosa on 1796, in Matriz
de Ponta Delgada.

Here are the descendants of Francisco José de Moura a.k.a. Francisco
Rodrigues:

1. João Bernardo Rodrigues m. Carlota Amalia de Sousa, on 1834 in Matriz de
Ponta
Delgada

2. João Bernardo Rodrigues m. Leonor de Arruda, on 1873 in Matriz de Ponta
Delgada

3. Rodrigo Rodrigues, b. 1873, m. Clotilde de Azevedo Oliveira, on 1900 in
Matriz de
Ponta Delgada. Died on 11 december 1956, in Ponta Delgada, São Miguel.


Manoel


2011/3/29 Linda Norton :
> That was confusing with all the first and second marriages. I've found 
> that my mothers father's maternal side came down from the 
> Travossos/Velho, but I would be interested in the de Andrade since 
> that was my mothers mother's paternal side which was connected to
Rodrigues.
>
> Does Rodigues have his own history in the book? Does he have 
> connection that you can see with de Andrade? This would be from Sao 
> Miguel. My mother is Ines de Andrade Borges. I've learned that she 
> dropped Rodrigues as her mother did.
>
> The Matias Furtado de Sousa is where you, Manoel is connected. I think 
> that's where we are connected as well. That is my fathers both 
> maternal and paternal side from Ribeira Grande.
>
> Thanks for this information.
>
> Linda Borges Furtado Norton
>

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Coelho from Santa Maria

[Manoel Cesar]

Linda,

The history of Rodrigo Rodrigues is very interesting.

His 4th grandfather was Inácio de Moura, born in the island of Santa
Maria and married there in 1715 with Margarida de Andrade.
He was son of unknown parents (pais incógnitos), possibly son of the
great-captain (capitão-mor) of the island of Santa Maria, Inácio de
Sousa Coutinho.

The Moura family’s lands were usurped and illegally appropriated by
the widow and the heirs of the great-captain Inácio de Sousa Coutinho.
The Moura’s brought suit against the widow Maria Josefa do Canto e
Medeiros, but the legal case did not succeed and the Moura family was
then reduced to poverty.

Because of this fact one of the Inacio Moura’s grandsons, Francisco
José de Moura, dropped his surname Moura and adopted the surname
Rodrigues. He moved to the island of S. Miguel and married with Inacia
Rosa on 1796, in Matriz de Ponta Delgada.

Here are the descendants of Francisco José de Moura a.k.a. Francisco Rodrigues:

1. João Bernardo Rodrigues m. Carlota Amalia de Sousa, on 1834 in
Matriz de Ponta
Delgada

2. João Bernardo Rodrigues m. Leonor de Arruda, on 1873 in Matriz de
Ponta Delgada

3. Rodrigo Rodrigues, b. 1873, m. Clotilde de Azevedo Oliveira, on
1900 in Matriz de
Ponta Delgada. Died on 11 december 1956, in Ponta Delgada, São Miguel.


Manoel


2011/3/29 Linda Norton :
> That was confusing with all the first and second marriages. I've found that
> my mothers father's maternal side came down from the Travossos/Velho, but I
> would be interested in the de Andrade since that was my mothers mother's
> paternal side which was connected to Rodrigues.
>
> Does Rodigues have his own history in the book? Does he have connection that
> you can see with de Andrade? This would be from Sao Miguel. My mother is
> Ines de Andrade Borges. I've learned that she dropped Rodrigues as her
> mother did.
>
> The Matias Furtado de Sousa is where you, Manoel is connected. I think
> that's where we are connected as well. That is my fathers both maternal and
> paternal side from Ribeira Grande.
>
> Thanks for this information.
>
> Linda Borges Furtado Norton
>

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Coelho from Santa Maria

[Manoel Cesar]

Linda,

One must be careful about surnames in Azores.
They come from the parents, from the father or the mother; come from
paternal or maternal grand-fathers or grand-mothers, or even from
great grandparents. And, also important, sometimes, not so often, they
are simply adopted, with no connections to the original surmanes of
the family.

In this case concerning Jorge Velho married to Africa Anes, the
surname Velho was adopted.
Frutuoso says that Jorge Velho was nephew of the King of Fez, and he
was baptized at the presence of the Prince (Infante) D. Henrique, took
the christian forename Jorge and has honored Gonçalo Velho (Cabral)
with the surname Velho.

Catarina Nunes Velho married to Jorge Furtado was from the true
Velho's, connected to the family of Gonçalo Velho (Cabral) who was
sent to Azores in 1444 by Prince D. Henrique in order to colonize the
islands of Santa Maria and São Miguel.
Gonçalo Velho (Cabral) brought his nephews Pedro and Nuno, sons of his
sister Violante Velho Cabral who was married to Diogo Gonçalves de
Travassos.

You and I do descend from Pedro, but not through the Furtado line, as
far as know.

Our common ancestors in this line are João Rebelo and Maria Travassos,
maried about 1600. Their daughter Ana Cabral, born 30 Apr 1606 in
Ribeira Frande, S. Miguel, is the 3rd grandmother of Rita de Jesus, my
4th grandmother who married my 4th grandfather José Furtado born 19
Mar 1784 in Vila Franca do Campo, S. Miguel.


Manoel




2011/3/29 Linda Norton :
> Hi Margaret and Manoel,
>
> Manoel, you gave me this info years ago:
>
> According to Frutuoso, Jorge Furtado was grandson of Martin Anes Furtado de
> Sousa from S. Miguel. He married first to Catarina Nunes Velho and had
> Leonardo Furtado and a daughter ?name. Leonardo married Beatriz Perdigoa and
> they had Jorge Furtado, Francisco Furtado and Maria de Sousa. Jorge Furtado
> married again to Guimar Camelo, had four children, one named Jorge as well.
> Also, descendants of Martim Anes Furtado de Sousa and the reference to Jorge
> Furtado de Mendonca brought by Frutuoso in his book on the male lines.
>
> There is another line of Furtado's through the females. Diogo Afonso
> Columbreiro, son of Afonso Anes da Costa m. Branca Roiz de Medeiros,
> daughter of Rui Vaz de Medeiros and Ana/Mecia Goncalves, daughter of Jorge
> de Mendonca. The sons of Diogo and Branca are Pedro Furtado and Sebastiao
> Afonso. I think Sebastiao had a son, Aleixos Furtado de Mendonca. So, Jorge
> Furtado de Mendonca under the Medeiros chapter has his surname passed by his
> daugher in the island on a distant third gradson and the brother of Diogo,
> also named Afonso Anes as his father married Ines Martins daughter of Martim
> Anes Furtado de Sousa.
>
> I am going to take a shot in saying that Africa Anes and Jorge Velho brought
> down these lines both on female and male sides? So can I say we have an
> Anes/Velho club in this group?
>
> Linda Borges Furtado Norton
>
>

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Coelho from Santa Maria

[Linda Norton]

Hi Margaret and Manoel,

Manoel, you gave me this info years ago:

According to Frutuoso, Jorge Furtado was grandson of Martin Anes Furtado de
Sousa from S. Miguel. He married first to Catarina Nunes Velho and had
Leonardo Furtado and a daughter ?name. Leonardo married Beatriz Perdigoa and
they had Jorge Furtado, Francisco Furtado and Maria de Sousa. Jorge Furtado
married again to Guimar Camelo, had four children, one named Jorge as well.
Also, descendants of Martim Anes Furtado de Sousa and the reference to Jorge
Furtado de Mendonca brought by Frutuoso in his book on the male lines.

There is another line of Furtado's through the females. Diogo Afonso
Columbreiro, son of Afonso Anes da Costa m. Branca Roiz de Medeiros,
daughter of Rui Vaz de Medeiros and Ana/Mecia Goncalves, daughter of Jorge
de Mendonca. The sons of Diogo and Branca are Pedro Furtado and Sebastiao
Afonso. I think Sebastiao had a son, Aleixos Furtado de Mendonca. So, Jorge
Furtado de Mendonca under the Medeiros chapter has his surname passed by his
daugher in the island on a distant third gradson and the brother of Diogo,
also named Afonso Anes as his father married Ines Martins daughter of Martim
Anes Furtado de Sousa. 

I am going to take a shot in saying that Africa Anes and Jorge Velho brought
down these lines both on female and male sides? So can I say we have an
Anes/Velho club in this group?

Linda Borges Furtado Norton


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Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Coelho from Santa Maria

Hi Margaret,

Unfortunately, RR says nothing about her line, so it´s very difficult to
trace who were her parents without a documental evidence.
The only thing we can speculate about is that she might be a daughter or a
grand-daughter of someone named Vicente.

Manoel

2011/3/27 Margaret Vicente :
> Hi Manuel, (sorry for budding in but I'm also part of this line) I am 
> a direct descendant of Joao Jorge (son of Africa Anes x Jorge Velho) 
> he married Beatriz Vicente from Algarve.  Does RR show anything on her
line?
>  Is there a way to trace who her parents were?
> Thank you.
> Margaret Vicente
>
>

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Coelho from Santa Maria

[Linda Norton]

 

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Manoel Cesar
Sent: Monday, March 28, 2011 1:59 PM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Coelho from Santa Maria

Hi Margaret,

Unfortunately, RR says nothing about her line, so it´s very difficult to
trace who were her parents without a documental evidence.
The only thing we can speculate about is that she might be a daughter or a
grand-daughter of someone named Vicente.

Manoel

2011/3/27 Margaret Vicente :
> Hi Manuel, (sorry for budding in but I'm also part of this line) I am 
> a direct descendant of Joao Jorge (son of Africa Anes x Jorge Velho) 
> he married Beatriz Vicente from Algarve.  Does RR show anything on her
line?
>  Is there a way to trace who her parents were?
> Thank you.
> Margaret Vicente
>
>

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Coelho from Santa Maria

[Linda Norton]

That was confusing with all the first and second marriages. I've found that
my mothers father's maternal side came down from the Travossos/Velho, but I
would be interested in the de Andrade since that was my mothers mother's
paternal side which was connected to Rodrigues.

Does Rodigues have his own history in the book? Does he have connection that
you can see with de Andrade? This would be from Sao Miguel. My mother is
Ines de Andrade Borges. I've learned that she dropped Rodrigues as her
mother did.

The Matias Furtado de Sousa is where you, Manoel is connected. I think
that's where we are connected as well. That is my fathers both maternal and
paternal side from Ribeira Grande.

Thanks for this information.

Linda Borges Furtado Norton

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Manoel Cesar
Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2011 8:53 PM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Coelho from Santa Maria

Nancy, Linda, Sam and Helen,

Here´s the excerpt from the Rodrigo Rodrigues’ book ‘Genealogias de São
Miguel e Santa Maria’:



Chapter 156

João da Ponte das Cortes (the old one) descendancy:


1 - João da Fonte das Cortes, one of the first settlers of the island
of Santa Maria  ( See Frutuoso, Book II,  Chapter III , § XIX). He
married Inês Afonso, daughter of Jorge Velho and Africa Anes (Chapter 103, §
1, No. 2).

2 - Adão da Fonte, knight of Santiago, from the island of Santa Maria
(See Frutuoso Book III, § XIX, Chapter III) (Book IV Chapter VIII, § 1). He
married Beatriz Afonso born in the island of Madeira.

3 - Sebastião da Fonte Velho, captain, resident in Santa Bárbara de
Santa Maria. His wife Maria Romeiro Velho was the godmother at a baptism in
Matriz de Vila do Porto on 22 february 1598. It seems that he was first
married with Andresa Fernandes (Note No. 1). He married in the island of
Santa Maria for the second time (?) before1598 with Maria Romeiro Velho *
(Chapter 33, § 8, No. 7).
 With the second wife:

4 - Sebastião da Fonte Velho, captain (See Coat of Arms of Gaspar de
Andrade Columbreiro, page 636, in ‘Arquivo Heráldico e Genealógico de
Sanches de Baena’). He married  Maria Velho de Melo. (Chapter 33, § 2,
No.7).

5 - Capitão Baltazar Velho de Andrade. (Note No. 4). He married in
Matriz de Vila do Porto on November 1657 with Maria de Andrade Poim and he
married for the second time before 1673 with Catarina Velho de Melo.
With the second wife:

6 - Catarina Velho or Coelho de Melo, who married for the first time
in Matriz de Vila do Porto on 23 september 1697 with Matias Furtado de
Sousa, from Agua de Pau, son of João Dantes (sic) and Maria Furtado.
She married for the second time at the same freguesia on 23 december
1708 with Sebastião Jácome de Resendes (Chapter 30, § 2, No. 8).
With the first husband:

7 - António Coelho, married in Matriz de Vila do Porto on 9 september
1743 with Maria dos Santos, from Almagreira, daughter of Francisco Velho
Dias and Isabel de Andrade  married in Vila do Porto on 2 august 1708.

* (The Maria Romeiro Velho’s line goes back to Diogo Gonçalves de Travassos
and Violante Velho Cabral)

Manoel

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Coelho from Santa Maria

[Manoel Cesar]

Nancy,

The book was published by Dislivro in Portugal, and  it is currently
out of print.

Here´s the link:
http://www.dislivro.pt/livros_categoria.asp?Cat_Id=1001&offset=10

Manoel


2011/3/28 nancy jean baptiste :
> Thank you Manoel,
>
> I love reading this type of information and would give anything to have a
> copy of this book! Can I still buy this book ANYWHERE?
>
> Last year when we went to Semana do Mar in Faial they have a book sale every
> year I found a book in Portuguese about Africa Annes..I have been
> translating it very slowly now for 10 monthsa very tedious task when you
> have little Portuguese language skills!
>

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Coelho from Santa Maria

[Manoel Cesar]

Hi Margaret,

Unfortunately, RR says nothing about her line, so it´s very difficult
to trace who were her parents without a documental evidence.
The only thing we can speculate about is that she might be a daughter
or a grand-daughter of someone named Vicente.

Manoel

2011/3/27 Margaret Vicente :
> Hi Manuel, (sorry for budding in but I'm also part of this line)
> I am a direct descendant of Joao Jorge (son of Africa Anes x Jorge Velho) he
> married Beatriz Vicente from Algarve.  Does RR show anything on her line?
>  Is there a way to trace who her parents were?
> Thank you.
> Margaret Vicente
>
>

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Coelho from Santa Maria

[nancy jean baptiste]

Thank you Manoel,
 
I love reading this type of information and would give anything to have a copy 
of this book! Can I still buy this book ANYWHERE?
 
Last year when we went to Semana do Mar in Faial they have a book sale every 
year I found a book in Portuguese about Africa Annes..I have been 
translating it very slowly now for 10 monthsa very tedious task when you 
have little Portuguese language skills! 
 
Margaret, I'm descended from Africa and Jorge Velho also, through their 
daughter, Inez Afonso, and I'm also descended from Africa again by her marriage 
to Nuno Velho Cabral through their son Duarte Nunes Velho and Isabel Fernandes. 
One generation later cousins married and I descend from that relationship...I 
feel very connected to Africa Annes since I have double descendency from 
herI wish I knew more about her! With all the cousin marriages in my 
various lines I'm lucky not to have 2 heads or some such thing!
 
Still hoping for that connection to my Coelho's from Santa Maria. Helen, with 
my ggrandmother, Catarina Cabral being from Almegreira and your Maria Cabral 
being from the same village we must have a connection. My Catarina, came to New 
Bedford in the 1880'shave been unable to find her passport but know that 
she picked up a copy of her baptismal record in Feb. 1882 but I have no trace 
of her until she married my ggrandfather, Antonio Teixeira Baptista in Jan. 
1888 in New Bedford.
 
Thank all for insights and feedback,
Nancy Jean
 


Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2011 21:42:42 -0400
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Coelho from Santa Maria
From: margaretvice...@gmail.com
To: azores@googlegroups.com

Hi Manuel, (sorry for budding in but I'm also part of this line)


I am a direct descendant of Joao Jorge (son of Africa Anes x Jorge Velho) he 
married Beatriz Vicente from Algarve.  Does RR show anything on her line?  Is 
there a way to trace who her parents were?


Thank you.


Margaret Vicente


On Sun, Mar 27, 2011 at 8:52 PM, Manoel Cesar  wrote:

Nancy, Linda, Sam and Helen,

Here´s the excerpt from the Rodrigo Rodrigues’ book ‘Genealogias de
São Miguel e Santa Maria’:



Chapter 156

João da Ponte das Cortes (the old one) descendancy:


1 - João da Fonte das Cortes, one of the first settlers of the island
of Santa Maria  ( See Frutuoso, Book II,  Chapter III , § XIX). He
married Inês Afonso, daughter of Jorge Velho and Africa Anes (Chapter
103, § 1, No. 2).

2 - Adão da Fonte, knight of Santiago, from the island of Santa Maria
(See Frutuoso Book III, § XIX, Chapter III) (Book IV Chapter VIII, §
1). He married Beatriz Afonso born in the island of Madeira.

3 - Sebastião da Fonte Velho, captain, resident in Santa Bárbara de
Santa Maria. His wife Maria Romeiro Velho was the godmother at a
baptism in Matriz de Vila do Porto on 22 february 1598. It seems that
he was first married with Andresa Fernandes (Note No. 1). He married
in the island of Santa Maria for the second time (?) before1598 with
Maria Romeiro Velho * (Chapter 33, § 8, No. 7).
With the second wife:

4 - Sebastião da Fonte Velho, captain (See Coat of Arms of Gaspar de
Andrade Columbreiro, page 636, in ‘Arquivo Heráldico e Genealógico de
Sanches de Baena’). He married  Maria Velho de Melo. (Chapter 33, § 2,
No.7).

5 - Capitão Baltazar Velho de Andrade. (Note No. 4). He married in
Matriz de Vila do Porto on November 1657 with Maria de Andrade Poim
and he married for the second time before 1673 with Catarina Velho de
Melo.
With the second wife:

6 - Catarina Velho or Coelho de Melo, who married for the first time
in Matriz de Vila do Porto on 23 september 1697 with Matias Furtado de
Sousa, from Agua de Pau, son of João Dantes (sic) and Maria Furtado.
She married for the second time at the same freguesia on 23 december
1708 with Sebastião Jácome de Resendes (Chapter 30, § 2, No. 8).
With the first husband:

7 - António Coelho, married in Matriz de Vila do Porto on 9 september
1743 with Maria dos Santos, from Almagreira, daughter of Francisco
Velho Dias and Isabel de Andrade  married in Vila do Porto on 2 august
1708.

* (The Maria Romeiro Velho’s line goes back to Diogo Gonçalves de
Travassos and Violante Velho Cabral)

Manoel

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Re: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Coelho from Santa Maria

[bellemarco]

I traced my ancestors from the Algarve thru FHC films. Very easy as I knew  
the parish. etombo.com has some of the records online now so you can search  
from homeif you know the parish it will be of great helpotherwise  
you will have to search each parish.


http://etombo.com/distrito/faro.html

"E"

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Coelho from Santa Maria

[Margaret Vicente]

Hi Manuel, (sorry for budding in but I'm also part of this line)

I am a direct descendant of Joao Jorge (son of Africa Anes x Jorge Velho) he
married Beatriz Vicente from Algarve.  Does RR show anything on her line?
 Is there a way to trace who her parents were?

Thank you.

Margaret Vicente

On Sun, Mar 27, 2011 at 8:52 PM, Manoel Cesar  wrote:

> Nancy, Linda, Sam and Helen,
>
> Here´s the excerpt from the Rodrigo Rodrigues’ book ‘Genealogias de
> São Miguel e Santa Maria’:
>
>
>
> Chapter 156
>
> João da Ponte das Cortes (the old one) descendancy:
>
>
> 1 - João da Fonte das Cortes, one of the first settlers of the island
> of Santa Maria  ( See Frutuoso, Book II,  Chapter III , § XIX). He
> married Inês Afonso, daughter of Jorge Velho and Africa Anes (Chapter
> 103, § 1, No. 2).
>
> 2 - Adão da Fonte, knight of Santiago, from the island of Santa Maria
> (See Frutuoso Book III, § XIX, Chapter III) (Book IV Chapter VIII, §
> 1). He married Beatriz Afonso born in the island of Madeira.
>
> 3 - Sebastião da Fonte Velho, captain, resident in Santa Bárbara de
> Santa Maria. His wife Maria Romeiro Velho was the godmother at a
> baptism in Matriz de Vila do Porto on 22 february 1598. It seems that
> he was first married with Andresa Fernandes (Note No. 1). He married
> in the island of Santa Maria for the second time (?) before1598 with
> Maria Romeiro Velho * (Chapter 33, § 8, No. 7).
> With the second wife:
>
> 4 - Sebastião da Fonte Velho, captain (See Coat of Arms of Gaspar de
> Andrade Columbreiro, page 636, in ‘Arquivo Heráldico e Genealógico de
> Sanches de Baena’). He married  Maria Velho de Melo. (Chapter 33, § 2,
> No.7).
>
> 5 - Capitão Baltazar Velho de Andrade. (Note No. 4). He married in
> Matriz de Vila do Porto on November 1657 with Maria de Andrade Poim
> and he married for the second time before 1673 with Catarina Velho de
> Melo.
> With the second wife:
>
> 6 - Catarina Velho or Coelho de Melo, who married for the first time
> in Matriz de Vila do Porto on 23 september 1697 with Matias Furtado de
> Sousa, from Agua de Pau, son of João Dantes (sic) and Maria Furtado.
> She married for the second time at the same freguesia on 23 december
> 1708 with Sebastião Jácome de Resendes (Chapter 30, § 2, No. 8).
> With the first husband:
>
> 7 - António Coelho, married in Matriz de Vila do Porto on 9 september
> 1743 with Maria dos Santos, from Almagreira, daughter of Francisco
> Velho Dias and Isabel de Andrade  married in Vila do Porto on 2 august
> 1708.
>
> * (The Maria Romeiro Velho’s line goes back to Diogo Gonçalves de
> Travassos and Violante Velho Cabral)
>
> Manoel
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Coelho from Santa Maria

[Sam Koester]

Manoel;  Thank you for this information.  I can't make a connection at this
point but; will save it for the future when perhaps, it will come together
with my line.

Many thanks, Sam in Maz

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From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of
Manoel Cesar
Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2011 5:53 PM
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Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Coelho from Santa Maria

Nancy, Linda, Sam and Helen,

Here´s the excerpt from the Rodrigo Rodrigues’ book ‘Genealogias de
São Miguel e Santa Maria’:

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Coelho from Santa Maria

[Manoel Cesar]

Nancy, Linda, Sam and Helen,

Here´s the excerpt from the Rodrigo Rodrigues’ book ‘Genealogias de
São Miguel e Santa Maria’:



Chapter 156

João da Ponte das Cortes (the old one) descendancy:


1 - João da Fonte das Cortes, one of the first settlers of the island
of Santa Maria  ( See Frutuoso, Book II,  Chapter III , § XIX). He
married Inês Afonso, daughter of Jorge Velho and Africa Anes (Chapter
103, § 1, No. 2).

2 - Adão da Fonte, knight of Santiago, from the island of Santa Maria
(See Frutuoso Book III, § XIX, Chapter III) (Book IV Chapter VIII, §
1). He married Beatriz Afonso born in the island of Madeira.

3 - Sebastião da Fonte Velho, captain, resident in Santa Bárbara de
Santa Maria. His wife Maria Romeiro Velho was the godmother at a
baptism in Matriz de Vila do Porto on 22 february 1598. It seems that
he was first married with Andresa Fernandes (Note No. 1). He married
in the island of Santa Maria for the second time (?) before1598 with
Maria Romeiro Velho * (Chapter 33, § 8, No. 7).
 With the second wife:

4 - Sebastião da Fonte Velho, captain (See Coat of Arms of Gaspar de
Andrade Columbreiro, page 636, in ‘Arquivo Heráldico e Genealógico de
Sanches de Baena’). He married  Maria Velho de Melo. (Chapter 33, § 2,
No.7).

5 - Capitão Baltazar Velho de Andrade. (Note No. 4). He married in
Matriz de Vila do Porto on November 1657 with Maria de Andrade Poim
and he married for the second time before 1673 with Catarina Velho de
Melo.
With the second wife:

6 - Catarina Velho or Coelho de Melo, who married for the first time
in Matriz de Vila do Porto on 23 september 1697 with Matias Furtado de
Sousa, from Agua de Pau, son of João Dantes (sic) and Maria Furtado.
She married for the second time at the same freguesia on 23 december
1708 with Sebastião Jácome de Resendes (Chapter 30, § 2, No. 8).
With the first husband:

7 - António Coelho, married in Matriz de Vila do Porto on 9 september
1743 with Maria dos Santos, from Almagreira, daughter of Francisco
Velho Dias and Isabel de Andrade  married in Vila do Porto on 2 august
1708.

* (The Maria Romeiro Velho’s line goes back to Diogo Gonçalves de
Travassos and Violante Velho Cabral)

Manoel

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Coelho from Santa Maria

[Sam Koester]

Nancy;  I will be very surprised if we don't find a connection on the Santa
Maria line as well.  I have recently made a connection with Tish on that
line and because of that, have a few more names but; none that help with
connecting to your line yet.

 

Take care, Sam in Maz

 

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nancy jean baptiste
Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2011 9:49 AM
To: azores group
Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Coelho from Santa Maria

 

Thank you Manoel,
 
I'm very interested in any information especially dates for this line.
Catarina Velho Coelho de Melo was my 7th grandmother behind my paternal
greatgrandmother from Santa Maria, Catarina Moreira CabralI'm aware that
this line goes back to Diogo and Violante.I would love to find others
connected that may not already be in the "Tavassos  Velho Cabral"
clubSam, maybe we connect on our Santa Maria line as well as our Sao
Jorge linedouble cousins so to speak! It was looking at this Coelho line
that made me realize I have some ancestry to the Agua de Pau in Sao
Miguel.perhaps I should look again for other connections to those who
trace back there
 
Nancy Jean
 
> Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2011 02:37:37 -0300
> Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Coelho from Santa Maria
> From: man...@gmail.com
> To: azores@googlegroups.com
> 
> Nancy,
> 
> Your Catarina (Velho) Coelho de Melo is in the Rodrigo Rodrigues' book.
> I'm gonna try to translate it into english and send it to you.
> 
> Sure I am you go right away back to the Velho Cabral and Travassos old
lineage.
> 
> Manoel
> 
> 
> 2011/3/26 nancy jean baptiste :
> > Greetings Group,
> >
> > I'm looking for others who may be connected to Matias Coelho son of
Antonio
> > Coelho who was the son of Matias Furtado Leite and Catarina Coelho
MeloI
> > have very few dates for these people unfortunetly.I do know that:
> >
> > Matias Coelho married Catarina Inacia on Nov. 10, 1790 in Nossa Senhora
da
> > Purificacao, Santo Espirito, Santa Maria...Catarina was the daughter of
> > Martinho Almada and Vitoria Teresa de Jesus both she and Matias were
born in
> > Almagreira, Santa Maria
> >
> > Matias father, Antonio Coelho married Maria dos Santos Sept. 9, 1743 in
Vila
> > do Porto, Santa Maria
> >
> > Antonio's father, Matias Furtado Leite was born in Agua de Pau, Sao
> > Miguelhe is also called Matias Furtado de Sousa and he is the son of
> > Joao Dantes
> >
> > Sound familiar to anyone?
> >
> > Nancy Jean Baptista
> > researching Santa Maria for Cabral, Moreira, Coelho, Almada
> >
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Coelho from Santa Maria

[nancy jean baptiste]

Thank you Manoel,
 
I'm very interested in any information especially dates for this line. Catarina 
Velho Coelho de Melo was my 7th grandmother behind my paternal greatgrandmother 
from Santa Maria, Catarina Moreira CabralI'm aware that this line goes back 
to Diogo and Violante.I would love to find others connected that may not 
already be in the "Tavassos  Velho Cabral" clubSam, maybe we connect on our 
Santa Maria line as well as our Sao Jorge linedouble cousins so to speak! 
It was looking at this Coelho line that made me realize I have some ancestry to 
the Agua de Pau in Sao Miguel.perhaps I should look again for other 
connections to those who trace back there
 
Nancy Jean
 
> Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2011 02:37:37 -0300
> Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Coelho from Santa Maria
> From: man...@gmail.com
> To: azores@googlegroups.com
> 
> Nancy,
> 
> Your Catarina (Velho) Coelho de Melo is in the Rodrigo Rodrigues' book.
> I'm gonna try to translate it into english and send it to you.
> 
> Sure I am you go right away back to the Velho Cabral and Travassos old 
> lineage.
> 
> Manoel
> 
> 
> 2011/3/26 nancy jean baptiste :
> > Greetings Group,
> >
> > I'm looking for others who may be connected to Matias Coelho son of Antonio
> > Coelho who was the son of Matias Furtado Leite and Catarina Coelho MeloI
> > have very few dates for these people unfortunetly.I do know that:
> >
> > Matias Coelho married Catarina Inacia on Nov. 10, 1790 in Nossa Senhora da
> > Purificacao, Santo Espirito, Santa Maria...Catarina was the daughter of
> > Martinho Almada and Vitoria Teresa de Jesus both she and Matias were born in
> > Almagreira, Santa Maria
> >
> > Matias father, Antonio Coelho married Maria dos Santos Sept. 9, 1743 in Vila
> > do Porto, Santa Maria
> >
> > Antonio's father, Matias Furtado Leite was born in Agua de Pau, Sao
> > Miguelhe is also called Matias Furtado de Sousa and he is the son of
> > Joao Dantes
> >
> > Sound familiar to anyone?
> >
> > Nancy Jean Baptista
> > researching Santa Maria for Cabral, Moreira, Coelho, Almada
> >
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Coelho from Santa Maria

[Sam Koester]

Manoel;  Would you kindly also send me the translation of this line from
Rodrigues' book?  I think Nancy and I must be distantly connected as my
Coelhos' are also from Vila do Porta, Santa Maria.  I don't see a connect to
what Nancy has posted but; perhaps with the information from Rodrigues'
book, I might be able to make the connection.

Greatfully yours, Sam in Maz

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From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of
Manoel Cesar
Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2011 10:38 PM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Coelho from Santa Maria

Nancy,

Your Catarina (Velho) Coelho de Melo is in the  Rodrigo Rodrigues' book.
I'm gonna try to translate it into english and send it to you.

Sure I am you go right away back to the Velho Cabral and Travassos old
lineage.

Manoel


2011/3/26 nancy jean baptiste :
> Greetings Group,
>
> I'm looking for others who may be connected to Matias Coelho son of
Antonio
> Coelho who was the son of Matias Furtado Leite and Catarina Coelho
MeloI
> have very few dates for these people unfortunetly.I do know that:
>
> Matias Coelho married Catarina Inacia on Nov. 10, 1790 in Nossa Senhora da
> Purificacao, Santo Espirito, Santa Maria...Catarina was the daughter of
> Martinho Almada and Vitoria Teresa de Jesus both she and Matias were born
in
> Almagreira, Santa Maria
>
> Matias father, Antonio Coelho married Maria dos Santos Sept. 9, 1743 in
Vila
> do Porto, Santa Maria
>
> Antonio's father, Matias Furtado Leite was born in Agua de Pau, Sao
> Miguelhe is also called Matias Furtado de Sousa and he is the son of
> Joao Dantes
>
> Sound familiar to anyone?
>
> Nancy Jean Baptista
> researching Santa Maria for Cabral, Moreira, Coelho, Almada
>
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Coelho from Santa Maria

[Linda Norton]

I was going to say Manoel Cesar Furtado since that's his line, but he has
responded. He and I are connected as well.
 
Linda Borges Furtado Norotn

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nancy jean baptiste
Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2011 2:28 PM
To: azores group
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Coelho from Santa Maria


Greetings Group,
 
I'm looking for others who may be connected to Matias Coelho son of Antonio
Coelho who was the son of Matias Furtado Leite and Catarina Coelho MeloI
have very few dates for these people unfortunetly.I do know that:
 
Matias Coelho married Catarina Inacia on Nov. 10, 1790 in Nossa Senhora da
Purificacao, Santo Espirito, Santa Maria...Catarina was the daughter of
Martinho Almada and Vitoria Teresa de Jesus both she and Matias were born in
Almagreira, Santa Maria
 
Matias father, Antonio Coelho married Maria dos Santos Sept. 9, 1743 in Vila
do Porto, Santa Maria
 
Antonio's father, Matias Furtado Leite was born in Agua de Pau, Sao
Miguelhe is also called Matias Furtado de Sousa and he is the son of
Joao Dantes
 
Sound familiar to anyone?
 
Nancy Jean Baptista
researching Santa Maria for Cabral, Moreira, Coelho, Almada


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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Coelho from Santa Maria

[Linda Norton]

 

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From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of
nancy jean baptiste
Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2011 2:28 PM
To: azores group
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Coelho from Santa Maria


Greetings Group,
 
I'm looking for others who may be connected to Matias Coelho son of Antonio
Coelho who was the son of Matias Furtado Leite and Catarina Coelho MeloI
have very few dates for these people unfortunetly.I do know that:
 
Matias Coelho married Catarina Inacia on Nov. 10, 1790 in Nossa Senhora da
Purificacao, Santo Espirito, Santa Maria...Catarina was the daughter of
Martinho Almada and Vitoria Teresa de Jesus both she and Matias were born in
Almagreira, Santa Maria
 
Matias father, Antonio Coelho married Maria dos Santos Sept. 9, 1743 in Vila
do Porto, Santa Maria
 
Antonio's father, Matias Furtado Leite was born in Agua de Pau, Sao
Miguelhe is also called Matias Furtado de Sousa and he is the son of
Joao Dantes
 
Sound familiar to anyone?
 
Nancy Jean Baptista
researching Santa Maria for Cabral, Moreira, Coelho, Almada


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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Coelho from Santa Maria

[Manoel Cesar]

Nancy,

Your Catarina (Velho) Coelho de Melo is in the  Rodrigo Rodrigues' book.
I'm gonna try to translate it into english and send it to you.

Sure I am you go right away back to the Velho Cabral and Travassos old lineage.

Manoel


2011/3/26 nancy jean baptiste :
> Greetings Group,
>
> I'm looking for others who may be connected to Matias Coelho son of Antonio
> Coelho who was the son of Matias Furtado Leite and Catarina Coelho MeloI
> have very few dates for these people unfortunetly.I do know that:
>
> Matias Coelho married Catarina Inacia on Nov. 10, 1790 in Nossa Senhora da
> Purificacao, Santo Espirito, Santa Maria...Catarina was the daughter of
> Martinho Almada and Vitoria Teresa de Jesus both she and Matias were born in
> Almagreira, Santa Maria
>
> Matias father, Antonio Coelho married Maria dos Santos Sept. 9, 1743 in Vila
> do Porto, Santa Maria
>
> Antonio's father, Matias Furtado Leite was born in Agua de Pau, Sao
> Miguelhe is also called Matias Furtado de Sousa and he is the son of
> Joao Dantes
>
> Sound familiar to anyone?
>
> Nancy Jean Baptista
> researching Santa Maria for Cabral, Moreira, Coelho, Almada
>
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