Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with 1733 marriage record of Manoel Tavares and Felipa do Santiago from Sao Roque
It appears, as Denise stated, the priest omitted name of father deliberately. The record says, com Phelipa de Samtiago e de sua May (mother) Joana da Costa todos moradores nesta fraguesia onde contrahentes foram baptizados ... When Phelipa is born, it appears the parents are not married, as Antonio Alvares is viuvo, and Joana da Costa, the mother, is also not married but they are dispensar para cazar ( intending to marry as near as I can figure)- She was born Oct 20- 1711, bap- Oct 26- 1711, Pad- Jacome da Ruda soldado moradore mesma fraguesia... No parents are listed for either Antonio Alvares or Joana da Costa. Maybe they never married, but you may as well look for a marriage after the the child was born. With hindsight, it may be they never married at all and the priest did write e sua may' and her mother, Joana da Costa, because said Joana never married the father and so he was not named. the priest kept the same format which complicated things, at least for us. This part is subject to a search, in case they did marry after Phelipa was baptised. An interesting fact is the use of the short form May or Muy with a accent above the y. With hindsight I can conclude there is no accent in marriage of Felipa Santiago. But one page later is the marriage of Manoel Rodrigues Dorta and there, the priest uses May with accent above 'y' to denote short form for mulher, that is wife. So everything has to be read in context as well as considering what we see literally. JR On Saturday, August 22, 2015 at 12:00:23 AM UTC-4, audiosourceinc wrote: I think the top record on the right side could be my Felipa do Santiago. I have never seen the parents recorded in this manner before. Is it stating that the father died before Felipa was born, or is it saying the parents were not married and he is a widower? Or maybe something else completely? Top right http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-SAOROQUE-B-1700-1714/SMG-PD-SAOROQUE-B-1700-1714_item1/P158.html *From:* azo...@googlegroups.com javascript: [mailto: azo...@googlegroups.com javascript:] *On Behalf Of *linda *Sent:* Friday, August 21, 2015 5:22 PM *To:* Azores Genealogy *Subject:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with 1733 marriage record of Manoel Tavares and Felipa do Santiago from Sao Roque Looking at it again, I think that Denise is probably correct. It might be Joze, but it is probably Sua -- the S/J is different, but the ua is formed exactly as for the groom's father/mother. On Friday, August 21, 2015 at 10:05:53 AM UTC-7, Denise wrote: Hi Erica, The mother is Joana da Costa. No fathers name. Denise D'Antona Sent from my iPhone On Aug 21, 2015, at 9:07 AM, Erica Botelho audioso...@qwestoffice.net wrote: I am unsure of the bride’s parents. It looks like maybe there is only one name and I can’t determine what it is. Any help would be appreciated. Record is on the right side. http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-SAOROQUE-C-1732-1749/SMG-PD-SAOROQUE-C-1732-1749_item1/P8.html Thanks, Erica Botelho Vancouver, WA -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+un...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+un...@googlegroups.com javascript:. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with 1733 marriage record of Manoel Tavares and Felipa do Santiago from Sao Roque
As always, thank you JR. You are so helpful! Erica From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of JR Sent: Friday, August 21, 2015 11:19 PM To: Azores Genealogy Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with 1733 marriage record of Manoel Tavares and Felipa do Santiago from Sao Roque It appears, as Denise stated, the priest omitted name of father deliberately. The record says, com Phelipa de Samtiago e de sua May (mother) Joana da Costa todos moradores nesta fraguesia onde contrahentes foram baptizados ... When Phelipa is born, it appears the parents are not married, as Antonio Alvares is viuvo, and Joana da Costa, the mother, is also not married but they are dispensar para cazar ( intending to marry as near as I can figure)- She was born Oct 20- 1711, bap- Oct 26- 1711, Pad- Jacome da Ruda soldado moradore mesma fraguesia... No parents are listed for either Antonio Alvares or Joana da Costa. Maybe they never married, but you may as well look for a marriage after the the child was born. With hindsight, it may be they never married at all and the priest did write e sua may' and her mother, Joana da Costa, because said Joana never married the father and so he was not named. the priest kept the same format which complicated things, at least for us. This part is subject to a search, in case they did marry after Phelipa was baptised. An interesting fact is the use of the short form May or Muy with a accent above the y. With hindsight I can conclude there is no accent in marriage of Felipa Santiago. But one page later is the marriage of Manoel Rodrigues Dorta and there, the priest uses May with accent above 'y' to denote short form for mulher, that is wife. So everything has to be read in context as well as considering what we see literally. JR On Saturday, August 22, 2015 at 12:00:23 AM UTC-4, audiosourceinc wrote: I think the top record on the right side could be my Felipa do Santiago. I have never seen the parents recorded in this manner before. Is it stating that the father died before Felipa was born, or is it saying the parents were not married and he is a widower? Or maybe something else completely? Top right http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-SAOROQUE-B-1700-1714/SMG-PD-SAOROQUE-B-1700-1714_item1/P158.html From: azo...@googlegroups.com javascript: [mailto:azo...@googlegroups.com javascript: ] On Behalf Of linda Sent: Friday, August 21, 2015 5:22 PM To: Azores Genealogy Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with 1733 marriage record of Manoel Tavares and Felipa do Santiago from Sao Roque Looking at it again, I think that Denise is probably correct. It might be Joze, but it is probably Sua -- the S/J is different, but the ua is formed exactly as for the groom's father/mother. On Friday, August 21, 2015 at 10:05:53 AM UTC-7, Denise wrote: Hi Erica, The mother is Joana da Costa. No fathers name. Denise D'Antona Sent from my iPhone On Aug 21, 2015, at 9:07 AM, Erica Botelho audioso...@qwestoffice.net wrote: I am unsure of the bride’s parents. It looks like maybe there is only one name and I can’t determine what it is. Any help would be appreciated. Record is on the right side. http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-SAOROQUE-C-1732-1749/SMG-PD-SAOROQUE-C-1732-1749_item1/P8.html Thanks, Erica Botelho Vancouver, WA -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+un...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+un...@googlegroups.com javascript: . Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with 1733 marriage record of Manoel Tavares and Felipa do Santiago from Sao Roque
It appears, as Denise stated, the priest simply omitted, by mistake I assume, the name of the father. So he was not named. The record says, com Phelipa de Samtiago e de sua May (may with accent above y, looks like mother but is error or poorly written) sic mulher Joana da Costa todos moradores nesta fraguesia onde contrahentes foram baptizados ... If you look further ahead on other records, you will see a similar abbreviation for mulher= May with accent above y, whenever the priest appears to be running out of space. When Phelipa is born, it appears the parents are not married, as Antonio Alvares is viuvo, and Joana da Costa, the mother is also not married but they are dispensar para cazar ( intending to marry as near as I can figure)- She was born Oct 20- 1711, bap- Oct 26- 1711, Pad- Jacome da Ruda soldado moradore mesma fraguesia... No parents are listed for either Antonio Alvares or Joana da Costa. Maybe they never married, but you may as well look for a marriage after the the child was born. JR On Saturday, August 22, 2015 at 12:00:23 AM UTC-4, audiosourceinc wrote: I think the top record on the right side could be my Felipa do Santiago. I have never seen the parents recorded in this manner before. Is it stating that the father died before Felipa was born, or is it saying the parents were not married and he is a widower? Or maybe something else completely? Top right http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-SAOROQUE-B-1700-1714/SMG-PD-SAOROQUE-B-1700-1714_item1/P158.html *From:* azo...@googlegroups.com javascript: [mailto: azo...@googlegroups.com javascript:] *On Behalf Of *linda *Sent:* Friday, August 21, 2015 5:22 PM *To:* Azores Genealogy *Subject:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with 1733 marriage record of Manoel Tavares and Felipa do Santiago from Sao Roque Looking at it again, I think that Denise is probably correct. It might be Joze, but it is probably Sua -- the S/J is different, but the ua is formed exactly as for the groom's father/mother. the second recors says, Phelipa, filha de Antonio Alvare viuvo de Joana da Costa On Friday, August 21, 2015 at 10:05:53 AM UTC-7, Denise wrote: Hi Erica, The mother is Joana da Costa. No fathers name. Denise D'Antona Sent from my iPhone On Aug 21, 2015, at 9:07 AM, Erica Botelho audioso...@qwestoffice.net wrote: I am unsure of the bride’s parents. It looks like maybe there is only one name and I can’t determine what it is. Any help would be appreciated. Record is on the right side. http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-SAOROQUE-C-1732-1749/SMG-PD-SAOROQUE-C-1732-1749_item1/P8.html Thanks, Erica Botelho Vancouver, WA -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+un...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+un...@googlegroups.com javascript:. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with 1733 marriage record of Manoel Tavares and Felipa do Santiago from Sao Roque
I think the top record on the right side could be my Felipa do Santiago. I have never seen the parents recorded in this manner before. Is it stating that the father died before Felipa was born, or is it saying the parents were not married and he is a widower? Or maybe something else completely? Top right http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-SAOROQUE-B-1700-1714/SMG-PD-SAOROQUE-B-1700-1714_item1/P158.html From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of linda Sent: Friday, August 21, 2015 5:22 PM To: Azores Genealogy Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with 1733 marriage record of Manoel Tavares and Felipa do Santiago from Sao Roque Looking at it again, I think that Denise is probably correct. It might be Joze, but it is probably Sua -- the S/J is different, but the ua is formed exactly as for the groom's father/mother. On Friday, August 21, 2015 at 10:05:53 AM UTC-7, Denise wrote: Hi Erica, The mother is Joana da Costa. No fathers name. Denise D'Antona Sent from my iPhone On Aug 21, 2015, at 9:07 AM, Erica Botelho audioso...@qwestoffice.net javascript: wrote: I am unsure of the bride’s parents. It looks like maybe there is only one name and I can’t determine what it is. Any help would be appreciated. Record is on the right side. http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-SAOROQUE-C-1732-1749/SMG-PD-SAOROQUE-C-1732-1749_item1/P8.html Thanks, Erica Botelho Vancouver, WA -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+un...@googlegroups.com javascript: . Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with 1733 marriage record of Manoel Tavares and Felipa do Santiago from Sao Roque
Hi Erica, The mother is Joana da Costa. No fathers name. Denise D'Antona Sent from my iPhone On Aug 21, 2015, at 9:07 AM, Erica Botelho audiosource...@qwestoffice.net wrote: I am unsure of the bride’s parents. It looks like maybe there is only one name and I can’t determine what it is. Any help would be appreciated. Record is on the right side. http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-SAOROQUE-C-1732-1749/SMG-PD-SAOROQUE-C-1732-1749_item1/P8.html Thanks, Erica Botelho Vancouver, WA -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with 1733 marriage record of Manoel Tavares and Felipa do Santiago from Sao Roque
Looks like Jose May and Joanna da Costa. Shirley in California - Original Message - From: Erica Botelho To: azores@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, August 21, 2015 6:07 AM Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with 1733 marriage record of Manoel Tavares and Felipa do Santiago from Sao Roque I am unsure of the bride’s parents. It looks like maybe there is only one name and I can’t determine what it is. Any help would be appreciated. Record is on the right side. http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-SAOROQUE-C-1732-1749/SMG-PD-SAOROQUE-C-1732-1749_item1/P8.html Thanks, Erica Botelho Vancouver, WA -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with 1733 marriage record of Manoel Tavares and Felipa do Santiago from Sao Roque
Thanks for the help. It gives me a good place to start when looking for her baptismal record. Hopefully it will be easy to figure out with the name Felipa. Erica From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Erica Botelho Sent: Friday, August 21, 2015 6:08 AM To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with 1733 marriage record of Manoel Tavares and Felipa do Santiago from Sao Roque I am unsure of the bride’s parents. It looks like maybe there is only one name and I can’t determine what it is. Any help would be appreciated. Record is on the right side. http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-SAOROQUE-C-1732-1749/SMG-PD-SAOROQUE-C-1732-1749_item1/P8.html Thanks, Erica Botelho Vancouver, WA -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with 1733 marriage record of Manoel Tavares and Felipa do Santiago from Sao Roque
Looking at it again, I think that Denise is probably correct. It might be Joze, but it is probably Sua -- the S/J is different, but the ua is formed exactly as for the groom's father/mother. On Friday, August 21, 2015 at 10:05:53 AM UTC-7, Denise wrote: Hi Erica, The mother is Joana da Costa. No fathers name. Denise D'Antona Sent from my iPhone On Aug 21, 2015, at 9:07 AM, Erica Botelho audioso...@qwestoffice.net javascript: wrote: I am unsure of the bride’s parents. It looks like maybe there is only one name and I can’t determine what it is. Any help would be appreciated. Record is on the right side. http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-SAOROQUE-C-1732-1749/SMG-PD-SAOROQUE-C-1732-1749_item1/P8.html Thanks, Erica Botelho Vancouver, WA -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+un...@googlegroups.com javascript:. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
