RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with baptism from Ponta Garca
Thanks Margaret! This is the best explanation I ever read of! Eliseu Pacheco da Silva Researching Açores (São Miguel and Graciosa) and Alentejo ( http://gw.geneanet.org/eliseumanuel http://gw.geneanet.org/eliseumanuel ) -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with baptism from Ponta Garca
You're welcome, Eliseu. Margaret On Sun, Apr 6, 2014 at 10:06 AM, Eliseu Pacheco da Silva eliseuman...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks Margaret! This is the best explanation I ever read of! *Eliseu Pacheco da Silva* Researching Açores (São Miguel and Graciosa) and Alentejo ( http://gw.geneanet.org/eliseumanuel ) -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- Margaret M Vicente -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with baptism from Ponta Garca
Thank you! This is my first record with the consanguinity in it. This means they were 3rd and 4th degree cousins, is that correct? -Original Message- From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of mnk Sent: Saturday, April 05, 2014 7:59 AM To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with baptism from Ponta Garca I can't get it all, but it does say they are not yet married (recibidos) because they have not completed some penance for being 3rd and 4th degree consanguinity. They are both natives of the parish. Mnk -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with baptism from Ponta Garca
Erica B, 1st degree: Uncle/niece, aunt/nephew, really close stuff. 2nd degree: 1st cousins 3rd degree: 2nd cousins 4th degree: 3rd cousins After that, they didn't care. This is only for consanguinity or blood relatives. There's also affinity, where the wife dies so he marries his sister-in-law (as one example). Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with baptism from Ponta Garca
If I might offer a slight clarification, 1st degree of consanguinidade is brother/sister.Of course, you don't see that, but do see 1st and 2nd degree, which is uncle/niece, as Cheri stated.Doug da Rocha HolmesSacramento, CaliforniaPico Terceira Genealogist916-550-1618www.dholmes.com Original Message Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with baptism from Ponta Garca From: Cheri Mello gfsche...@gmail.com Date: Sat, April 05, 2014 8:27 am To: Azores Genealogy azores@googlegroups.com Erica B,1st degree: Uncle/niece, aunt/nephew, really close stuff.2nd degree: 1st cousins3rd degree: 2nd cousins4th degree: 3rd cousins After that, they didn't care.This is only for consanguinity or blood relatives. There's also affinity, where the wife dies so he marries his sister-in-law (as one example). Cheri Mello -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with baptism from Ponta Garca
I thought a brother marrying a sister was forbidden by law in most countries and considered incest? So what is incest in the Azores and Portugal? Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with baptism from Ponta Garca
If I may, there are two methods of qualification a) civil and b) canonic. The civil calculates starting at the top of the trunk and discounts (1). Parents (0) children (1) grandchildren (2) great grandchildren (3) The canonic begins at the lower branch. Children (0) Grandchildren (1) Great Grandchildren (2) Great Great Grandchildren (3). In this case of 3rd degree consanguinity the couple share the same great grandparents. It is confusing, but when reading church dispensations the canonic rule should be applied. Before canonic genetic qualification nothing was forbiden, intermarriage was allowed and anyone could marry anyone. Hope this is of some help. Best, On Sat, Apr 5, 2014 at 11:49 AM, Cheri Mello gfsche...@gmail.com wrote: I thought a brother marrying a sister was forbidden by law in most countries and considered incest? So what is incest in the Azores and Portugal? Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- Margaret M Vicente -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with baptism from Ponta Garca
Yes, Doug, I'm sure Cheri meant that when she said really close stuff. Personally, I classify it as incest. On Saturday, April 5, 2014 11:42:41 AM UTC-4, Doug da Rocha Holmes wrote: If I might offer a slight clarification, 1st degree of consanguinidade is brother/sister. Of course, you don't see that, but do see 1st and 2nd degree, which is uncle/niece, as Cheri stated. Doug da Rocha Holmes Sacramento, California Pico Terceira Genealogist 916-550-1618 www.dholmes.com Original Message Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with baptism from Ponta Garca From: Cheri Mello gfsc...@gmail.com javascript: Date: Sat, April 05, 2014 8:27 am To: Azores Genealogy azo...@googlegroups.com javascript: Erica B, 1st degree: Uncle/niece, aunt/nephew, really close stuff. 2nd degree: 1st cousins 3rd degree: 2nd cousins 4th degree: 3rd cousins After that, they didn't care. This is only for consanguinity or blood relatives. There's also affinity, where the wife dies so he marries his sister-in-law (as one example). Cheri Mello -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
