Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Question on Profession "Mestra demeninhos(as)"?
Wonderful thread and discussion everyone. I have been so impressed with the literacy and skills that are being shown through this search back in time for my husbands ancestors from São Miguel and Madeira. D On Fri, Nov 15, 2019 at 1:44 PM Ângela Loura wrote: > An interview about 'mestras': http://portocanal.sapo.pt/noticia/163588/ > > Cheri Mello escreveu no dia sexta, 15/11/2019 à(s) > 21:25: > >> Crafts can be many things. A really good plumber could master his craft >> too. Maybe he'd be a mestre as well. >> Cheri Mello >> Listowner, Azores-Gen >> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, >> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada >> >> >> On Fri, Nov 15, 2019 at 1:13 PM Margaret Vicente < >> margaretvice...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Cheri, you can take it to mean as you wish but I disagree it covers just >>> crafts. Simply because I grew up with the term. My Mom and Grandmother’s >>> teacher was a Mestra, and that was Education, not crafts. >>> >>> The term is also used in English schools. The Principal of the School >>> was the Head Master. Why do you think that is? >>> >>> Angela’s references first Edition is dated 1798— discussing Antiquated >>> terminology prior to that time period. While the question posted was for >>> *1870-1879*. If antiquated back then how much more antiquated will it >>> not be 72 years later? >>> >>> >>> >>> A mestre / mestra is a teacher whether that be trades or education. >>> >>> >>> mestra >>> Significado de Mestra >>> >>> substantivo feminine Mulher que ensina ou leciona; professora. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Best, >>> >>> Margaret >>> >>> >>> >>> *From: *Cheri Mello >>> *Sent: *November 15, 2019 3:10 PM >>> *To: *Azores Genealogy >>> *Subject: *Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Question on Profession "Mestra >>> demeninhos(as)"? >>> >>> >>> >>> So, from an American point-of-view, she was the teacher (or person who >>> mastered her craft) of home economics. Interesting terminology from back >>> then, >>> >>> Cheri Mello >>> Listowner, Azores-Gen >>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira >>> Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Nov 15, 2019 at 12:07 PM Ângela Loura >>> wrote: >>> >>> Mestra was the lady who teached the girls the crafts in order to be good >>> housewives. Cooking, sewing, taking care of babies... >>> >>> >>> >>> Margaret Vicente escreveu no dia sexta, >>> 15/11/2019 à(s) 17:21: >>> >>> “Mestra de Meninas” or currently spoken “Professora de meninas” means >>> “School girls Teacher” in the 1800’s schools were segregated by sex. Mixed >>> classes did not exist back then. >>> >>> >>> >>> Margaret v. >>> >>> >>> >>> *From: *Cheri Mello >>> *Sent: *November 15, 2019 12:09 PM >>> *To: *Azores Genealogy >>> *Subject: *Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Question on Profession "Mestra de >>> meninhos(as)"? >>> >>> >>> >>> Hi Jessica, >>> >>> >>> >>> Mestre (masculine) or mestra (feminine) means master. Professora is >>> teacher (feminine). >>> >>> >>> >>> You'd need to look for another "os" or "as" in the document to figure >>> out if it's meninos or meninas. I kinda think it's meninas. >>> >>> >>> >>> So what is a master of the girls? My understanding of a master is >>> someone who has mastered something. It could be a trade as well as someone >>> who went to school and mastered a subject. I believe the word is also used >>> for a person who is in a leadership position as well. The native speakers >>> can shed more light on this. >>> >>> >>> >>> My complete wild guess (I've never seen this occupation) is that she's >>> in charge of the girls' orphanage. She could also be something like a >>> girls' principal. >>> >>> >>> >>> Native speakers, please let us know what you think! Cheri >>> >>> >>> >>> &g
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Question on Profession "Mestra demeninhos(as)"?
An interview about 'mestras': http://portocanal.sapo.pt/noticia/163588/ Cheri Mello escreveu no dia sexta, 15/11/2019 à(s) 21:25: > Crafts can be many things. A really good plumber could master his craft > too. Maybe he'd be a mestre as well. > Cheri Mello > Listowner, Azores-Gen > Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, > Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada > > > On Fri, Nov 15, 2019 at 1:13 PM Margaret Vicente < > margaretvice...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Cheri, you can take it to mean as you wish but I disagree it covers just >> crafts. Simply because I grew up with the term. My Mom and Grandmother’s >> teacher was a Mestra, and that was Education, not crafts. >> >> The term is also used in English schools. The Principal of the School >> was the Head Master. Why do you think that is? >> >> Angela’s references first Edition is dated 1798— discussing Antiquated >> terminology prior to that time period. While the question posted was for >> *1870-1879*. If antiquated back then how much more antiquated will it >> not be 72 years later? >> >> >> >> A mestre / mestra is a teacher whether that be trades or education. >> >> >> mestra >> Significado de Mestra >> >> substantivo feminine Mulher que ensina ou leciona; professora. >> >> >> >> >> >> Best, >> >> Margaret >> >> >> >> *From: *Cheri Mello >> *Sent: *November 15, 2019 3:10 PM >> *To: *Azores Genealogy >> *Subject: *Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Question on Profession "Mestra >> demeninhos(as)"? >> >> >> >> So, from an American point-of-view, she was the teacher (or person who >> mastered her craft) of home economics. Interesting terminology from back >> then, >> >> Cheri Mello >> Listowner, Azores-Gen >> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, >> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada >> >> >> >> >> >> On Fri, Nov 15, 2019 at 12:07 PM Ângela Loura >> wrote: >> >> Mestra was the lady who teached the girls the crafts in order to be good >> housewives. Cooking, sewing, taking care of babies... >> >> >> >> Margaret Vicente escreveu no dia sexta, >> 15/11/2019 à(s) 17:21: >> >> “Mestra de Meninas” or currently spoken “Professora de meninas” means >> “School girls Teacher” in the 1800’s schools were segregated by sex. Mixed >> classes did not exist back then. >> >> >> >> Margaret v. >> >> >> >> *From: *Cheri Mello >> *Sent: *November 15, 2019 12:09 PM >> *To: *Azores Genealogy >> *Subject: *Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Question on Profession "Mestra de >> meninhos(as)"? >> >> >> >> Hi Jessica, >> >> >> >> Mestre (masculine) or mestra (feminine) means master. Professora is >> teacher (feminine). >> >> >> >> You'd need to look for another "os" or "as" in the document to figure out >> if it's meninos or meninas. I kinda think it's meninas. >> >> >> >> So what is a master of the girls? My understanding of a master is someone >> who has mastered something. It could be a trade as well as someone who went >> to school and mastered a subject. I believe the word is also used for a >> person who is in a leadership position as well. The native speakers can >> shed more light on this. >> >> >> >> My complete wild guess (I've never seen this occupation) is that she's in >> charge of the girls' orphanage. She could also be something like a girls' >> principal. >> >> >> >> Native speakers, please let us know what you think! Cheri >> >> >> >> >> >> Cheri Mello >> Listowner, Azores-Gen >> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, >> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada >> >> >> >> >> >> On Fri, Nov 15, 2019 at 9:01 AM JML wrote: >> >> Hi group! >> >> >> >> For this marriage of Joaquim Machado de Lemos and Maria da Luz. It states >> that the bride's profession was that of a "mestra of children or just >> girls" I can't tell if it's an "as" or "os" for menin_ _. >> >> >> >> Does anyone have any knowledge about professions in the 1800's? How much >> schooling would have been acquired at that time to be a mestra?
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Question on Profession "Mestra demeninhos(as)"?
Crafts can be many things. A really good plumber could master his craft too. Maybe he'd be a mestre as well. Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada On Fri, Nov 15, 2019 at 1:13 PM Margaret Vicente wrote: > Cheri, you can take it to mean as you wish but I disagree it covers just > crafts. Simply because I grew up with the term. My Mom and Grandmother’s > teacher was a Mestra, and that was Education, not crafts. > > The term is also used in English schools. The Principal of the School was > the Head Master. Why do you think that is? > > Angela’s references first Edition is dated 1798— discussing Antiquated > terminology prior to that time period. While the question posted was for > *1870-1879*. If antiquated back then how much more antiquated will it > not be 72 years later? > > > > A mestre / mestra is a teacher whether that be trades or education. > > > mestra > Significado de Mestra > > substantivo feminine Mulher que ensina ou leciona; professora. > > > > > > Best, > > Margaret > > > > *From: *Cheri Mello > *Sent: *November 15, 2019 3:10 PM > *To: *Azores Genealogy > *Subject: *Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Question on Profession "Mestra > demeninhos(as)"? > > > > So, from an American point-of-view, she was the teacher (or person who > mastered her craft) of home economics. Interesting terminology from back > then, > > Cheri Mello > Listowner, Azores-Gen > Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, > Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada > > > > > > On Fri, Nov 15, 2019 at 12:07 PM Ângela Loura > wrote: > > Mestra was the lady who teached the girls the crafts in order to be good > housewives. Cooking, sewing, taking care of babies... > > > > Margaret Vicente escreveu no dia sexta, > 15/11/2019 à(s) 17:21: > > “Mestra de Meninas” or currently spoken “Professora de meninas” means > “School girls Teacher” in the 1800’s schools were segregated by sex. Mixed > classes did not exist back then. > > > > Margaret v. > > > > *From: *Cheri Mello > *Sent: *November 15, 2019 12:09 PM > *To: *Azores Genealogy > *Subject: *Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Question on Profession "Mestra de > meninhos(as)"? > > > > Hi Jessica, > > > > Mestre (masculine) or mestra (feminine) means master. Professora is > teacher (feminine). > > > > You'd need to look for another "os" or "as" in the document to figure out > if it's meninos or meninas. I kinda think it's meninas. > > > > So what is a master of the girls? My understanding of a master is someone > who has mastered something. It could be a trade as well as someone who went > to school and mastered a subject. I believe the word is also used for a > person who is in a leadership position as well. The native speakers can > shed more light on this. > > > > My complete wild guess (I've never seen this occupation) is that she's in > charge of the girls' orphanage. She could also be something like a girls' > principal. > > > > Native speakers, please let us know what you think! Cheri > > > > > > Cheri Mello > Listowner, Azores-Gen > Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, > Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada > > > > > > On Fri, Nov 15, 2019 at 9:01 AM JML wrote: > > Hi group! > > > > For this marriage of Joaquim Machado de Lemos and Maria da Luz. It states > that the bride's profession was that of a "mestra of children or just > girls" I can't tell if it's an "as" or "os" for menin_ _. > > > > Does anyone have any knowledge about professions in the 1800's? How much > schooling would have been acquired at that time to be a mestra? I'm > assuming mestra means teacher. > > > > This is the first profession I have found for a bride, other than > "domestica" or "costureira" so I am quite intrigued. > > > > Thank you, > > > > Jessica > > > > > http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-TERRACHA-C-1870-1879/TER-AH-TERRACHA-C-1870-1879_item1/P77.html > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Azores Genealogy" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.c
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Question on Profession "Mestra demeninhos(as)"?
Cheri, you can take it to mean as you wish but I disagree it covers just crafts. Simply because I grew up with the term. My Mom and Grandmother’s teacher was a Mestra, and that was Education, not crafts. The term is also used in English schools. The Principal of the School was the Head Master. Why do you think that is? Angela’s references first Edition is dated 1798— discussing Antiquated terminology prior to that time period. While the question posted was for 1870-1879. If antiquated back then how much more antiquated will it not be 72 years later? A mestre / mestra is a teacher whether that be trades or education. mestra Significado de Mestra substantivo feminine Mulher que ensina ou leciona; professora. Best, Margaret From: Cheri Mello Sent: November 15, 2019 3:10 PM To: Azores Genealogy Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Question on Profession "Mestra demeninhos(as)"? So, from an American point-of-view, she was the teacher (or person who mastered her craft) of home economics. Interesting terminology from back then, Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada On Fri, Nov 15, 2019 at 12:07 PM Ângela Loura wrote: Mestra was the lady who teached the girls the crafts in order to be good housewives. Cooking, sewing, taking care of babies... Margaret Vicente escreveu no dia sexta, 15/11/2019 à(s) 17:21: “Mestra de Meninas” or currently spoken “Professora de meninas” means “School girls Teacher” in the 1800’s schools were segregated by sex. Mixed classes did not exist back then. Margaret v. From: Cheri Mello Sent: November 15, 2019 12:09 PM To: Azores Genealogy Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Question on Profession "Mestra de meninhos(as)"? Hi Jessica, Mestre (masculine) or mestra (feminine) means master. Professora is teacher (feminine). You'd need to look for another "os" or "as" in the document to figure out if it's meninos or meninas. I kinda think it's meninas. So what is a master of the girls? My understanding of a master is someone who has mastered something. It could be a trade as well as someone who went to school and mastered a subject. I believe the word is also used for a person who is in a leadership position as well. The native speakers can shed more light on this. My complete wild guess (I've never seen this occupation) is that she's in charge of the girls' orphanage. She could also be something like a girls' principal. Native speakers, please let us know what you think! Cheri Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada On Fri, Nov 15, 2019 at 9:01 AM JML wrote: Hi group! For this marriage of Joaquim Machado de Lemos and Maria da Luz. It states that the bride's profession was that of a "mestra of children or just girls" I can't tell if it's an "as" or "os" for menin_ _. Does anyone have any knowledge about professions in the 1800's? How much schooling would have been acquired at that time to be a mestra? I'm assuming mestra means teacher. This is the first profession I have found for a bride, other than "domestica" or "costureira" so I am quite intrigued. Thank you, Jessica http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-TERRACHA-C-1870-1879/TER-AH-TERRACHA-C-1870-1879_item1/P77.html -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/azores/55ccd547-0021-4dd6-9edd-98f5d2356a58%40googlegroups.com. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/azores/CAKUUw_EPP5G_%3DO23ATnobM1S6BWVbsJ_rvAFX2gYVhLL7nYCzQ%40mail.gmail.com. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/azores/5dcedea8.1c69fb81.e5a5d.a8fb%40mx.google.com. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit
