Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Sidenote, Santa Maria, Sao Pedro

[Cheri Mello]

OK, now it makes perfect sense.
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On Sun, Dec 29, 2019 at 4:40 PM Bill Seidler  wrote:

> My wife verified that a  judge's order legally authorized her to marry
> since she was an orphan.
>
> I did find obitos for her parents.  Her mother died 6 months before she
> married and her father two years before.
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-O-1900-1906/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-O-1900-1906_item1/P26.html
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-O-1900-1906/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-O-1900-1906_item1/P39.html
>
> Bill Seidler
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Sidenote, Santa Maria, Sao Pedro

[Bill Seidler]

My wife verified that a  judge's order legally authorized her to marry 
since she was an orphan.

I did find obitos for her parents.  Her mother died 6 months before she 
married and her father two years before.
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-O-1900-1906/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-O-1900-1906_item1/P26.html
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-O-1900-1906/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-O-1900-1906_item1/P39.html

Bill Seidler

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Sidenote, Santa Maria, Sao Pedro

[Cheri Mello]

Did you mean to attach Virginia's baptism?

Her parents' deaths would be in their baptism, not all the kids' baptisms.
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On Sun, Dec 29, 2019 at 3:24 PM 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy <
azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Thanks, Cheri.  I found Virginia’s birth and it verifies her death date
> but; I can’t quite read the date, in the sidenote. I think it does say 21
> Dec 1966.
>
>
>
> Sam (Mazatlán, MX)
>
>
>
> *From: *Cheri Mello 
> *Sent: *Saturday, December 28, 2019 8:16 PM
> *To: *Azores Genealogy 
> *Subject: *Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Sidenote, Santa Maria, Sao Pedro
>
>
>
> Manuel died 23 April 1960 (at least in this light). Maybe someone with
> better eyes can look.
>
>
>
> Virginia died 21 Dec? 1966 (?) That's my best guess. Maybe they recorded
> it on Virginia's baptism too?
>
>
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sat, Dec 28, 2019 at 6:05 PM 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy <
> azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-C-1900-1906/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-C-1900-1906_item1/P44.html
>
>
>
> I believe the side note says that Manoel Soares de Freitas died on 22 of
> April of current year (1960) and the second side note says that his wife,
> Virginia Eugenia Cabral, died on 21 of current (can’t read the rest)
>
>
>
> Can sks help me out here?
>
>
>
> Thanks, Sidenote Sam
>
>
>
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Sidenote, Santa Maria, Sao Pedro

[Ângela Loura]

Hi Sam,

I just checked her baptism record, the sidenote states #1 her marriage, #2
her husband's death, #3 and her own death.



'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy  escreveu
no dia domingo, 29/12/2019 à(s) 23:21:

> Hi Angela;  I found Virginia’s birth and I believe it says when her father
> died, in the margin, but; I can’t quite read the date.  Below that I think
> it also says when she died?
>
>
>
> Sam (Mazatlán, MX)
>
>
>
> *From: *Ângela Loura 
> *Sent: *Sunday, December 29, 2019 12:22 PM
> *To: *azores@googlegroups.com
> *Subject: *Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Sidenote, Santa Maria, Sao Pedro
>
>
>
> Hi Sam,
>
>
>
> Do you know if the bride's father was deceased at the time of the
> marriage? If so, i think the bride would need the father's legal permission
> if she was under 25, but then again, i'm not sure if that applies to that
> time period.
>
>
>
> Cheri Mello  escreveu no dia domingo, 29/12/2019
> à(s) 04:13:
>
> I didn't read the body. It kinda looks like that, yet Virginia has parents
> that are named (maybe they died and that's not mentioned?). They also got a
> dispensation to marry, so they are cousins. A native speaker will have to
> tell us what that "orphan that is legally authorized to marry by a judge at
> city hall" thing says.
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sat, Dec 28, 2019 at 7:13 PM Bill Seidler  wrote:
>
> For what it's worth, I completely concur with Cheri.
>
>
>
> The body of the record has something I've never seen.  Does it say that
> she is a 17-year-old orphan that is legally authorized to marry by a judge
> at city hall?
>
>
>
> Bill Seidler
>
>
> On Saturday, December 28, 2019 at 6:16:15 PM UTC-8, Cheri Mello wrote:
>
> Manuel died 23 April 1960 (at least in this light). Maybe someone with
> better eyes can look.
>
>
>
> Virginia died 21 Dec? 1966 (?) That's my best guess. Maybe they recorded
> it on Virginia's baptism too?
>
>
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sat, Dec 28, 2019 at 6:05 PM 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy <
> azo...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-C-1900-1906/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-C-1900-1906_item1/P44.html
>
>
>
> I believe the side note says that Manoel Soares de Freitas died on 22 of
> April of current year (1960) and the second side note says that his wife,
> Virginia Eugenia Cabral, died on 21 of current (can’t read the rest)
>
>
>
> Can sks help me out here?
>
>
>
> Thanks, Sidenote Sam
>
>
>
>
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Sidenote, Santa Maria, Sao Pedro

['Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy]

Thanks, Cheri.  I found Virginia’s birth and it verifies her death date but; I 
can’t quite read the date, in the sidenote. I think it does say 21 Dec 1966.

Sam (Mazatlán, MX)

From: Cheri Mello
Sent: Saturday, December 28, 2019 8:16 PM
To: Azores Genealogy
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Sidenote, Santa Maria, Sao Pedro

Manuel died 23 April 1960 (at least in this light). Maybe someone with better 
eyes can look.

Virginia died 21 Dec? 1966 (?) That's my best guess. Maybe they recorded it on 
Virginia's baptism too?

Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada


On Sat, Dec 28, 2019 at 6:05 PM 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy 
 wrote:
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-C-1900-1906/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-C-1900-1906_item1/P44.html
 
I believe the side note says that Manoel Soares de Freitas died on 22 of April 
of current year (1960) and the second side note says that his wife, Virginia 
Eugenia Cabral, died on 21 of current (can’t read the rest)
 
Can sks help me out here?
 
Thanks, Sidenote Sam
 
 
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Sidenote, Santa Maria, Sao Pedro

['Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy]

Hi Angela;  I found Virginia’s birth and I believe it says when her father 
died, in the margin, but; I can’t quite read the date.  Below that I think it 
also says when she died?

Sam (Mazatlán, MX)

From: Ângela Loura
Sent: Sunday, December 29, 2019 12:22 PM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Sidenote, Santa Maria, Sao Pedro

Hi Sam,

Do you know if the bride's father was deceased at the time of the marriage? If 
so, i think the bride would need the father's legal permission if she was under 
25, but then again, i'm not sure if that applies to that time period.

Cheri Mello  escreveu no dia domingo, 29/12/2019 à(s) 
04:13:
I didn't read the body. It kinda looks like that, yet Virginia has parents that 
are named (maybe they died and that's not mentioned?). They also got a 
dispensation to marry, so they are cousins. A native speaker will have to tell 
us what that "orphan that is legally authorized to marry by a judge at city 
hall" thing says. 
Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada


On Sat, Dec 28, 2019 at 7:13 PM Bill Seidler  wrote:
For what it's worth, I completely concur with Cheri.

The body of the record has something I've never seen.  Does it say that she is 
a 17-year-old orphan that is legally authorized to marry by a judge at city 
hall?

Bill Seidler 

On Saturday, December 28, 2019 at 6:16:15 PM UTC-8, Cheri Mello wrote:
Manuel died 23 April 1960 (at least in this light). Maybe someone with better 
eyes can look.

Virginia died 21 Dec? 1966 (?) That's my best guess. Maybe they recorded it on 
Virginia's baptism too?

Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada


On Sat, Dec 28, 2019 at 6:05 PM 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy 
 wrote:
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-C-1900-1906/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-C-1900-1906_item1/P44.html
 
I believe the side note says that Manoel Soares de Freitas died on 22 of April 
of current year (1960) and the second side note says that his wife, Virginia 
Eugenia Cabral, died on 21 of current (can’t read the rest)
 
Can sks help me out here?
 
Thanks, Sidenote Sam
 
 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Sidenote, Santa Maria, Sao Pedro

[Ângela Loura]

Hi Sam,

Do you know if the bride's father was deceased at the time of the marriage?
If so, i think the bride would need the father's legal permission if she
was under 25, but then again, i'm not sure if that applies to that time
period.

Cheri Mello  escreveu no dia domingo, 29/12/2019 à(s)
04:13:

> I didn't read the body. It kinda looks like that, yet Virginia has parents
> that are named (maybe they died and that's not mentioned?). They also got a
> dispensation to marry, so they are cousins. A native speaker will have to
> tell us what that "orphan that is legally authorized to marry by a judge at
> city hall" thing says.
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
>
> On Sat, Dec 28, 2019 at 7:13 PM Bill Seidler  wrote:
>
>> For what it's worth, I completely concur with Cheri.
>>
>> The body of the record has something I've never seen.  Does it say that
>> she is a 17-year-old orphan that is legally authorized to marry by a judge
>> at city hall?
>>
>> Bill Seidler
>>
>> On Saturday, December 28, 2019 at 6:16:15 PM UTC-8, Cheri Mello wrote:
>>>
>>> Manuel died 23 April 1960 (at least in this light). Maybe someone with
>>> better eyes can look.
>>>
>>> Virginia died 21 Dec? 1966 (?) That's my best guess. Maybe they recorded
>>> it on Virginia's baptism too?
>>>
>>> Cheri Mello
>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira
>>> Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Dec 28, 2019 at 6:05 PM 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy <
>>> azo...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>>

 http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-C-1900-1906/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-C-1900-1906_item1/P44.html



 I believe the side note says that Manoel Soares de Freitas died on 22
 of April of current year (1960) and the second side note says that his
 wife, Virginia Eugenia Cabral, died on 21 of current (can’t read the rest)



 Can sks help me out here?



 Thanks, Sidenote Sam





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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Sidenote, Santa Maria, Sao Pedro

[Cheri Mello]

I didn't read the body. It kinda looks like that, yet Virginia has parents
that are named (maybe they died and that's not mentioned?). They also got a
dispensation to marry, so they are cousins. A native speaker will have to
tell us what that "orphan that is legally authorized to marry by a judge at
city hall" thing says.
Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada


On Sat, Dec 28, 2019 at 7:13 PM Bill Seidler  wrote:

> For what it's worth, I completely concur with Cheri.
>
> The body of the record has something I've never seen.  Does it say that
> she is a 17-year-old orphan that is legally authorized to marry by a judge
> at city hall?
>
> Bill Seidler
>
> On Saturday, December 28, 2019 at 6:16:15 PM UTC-8, Cheri Mello wrote:
>>
>> Manuel died 23 April 1960 (at least in this light). Maybe someone with
>> better eyes can look.
>>
>> Virginia died 21 Dec? 1966 (?) That's my best guess. Maybe they recorded
>> it on Virginia's baptism too?
>>
>> Cheri Mello
>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
>> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Dec 28, 2019 at 6:05 PM 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy <
>> azo...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-C-1900-1906/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-C-1900-1906_item1/P44.html
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I believe the side note says that Manoel Soares de Freitas died on 22 of
>>> April of current year (1960) and the second side note says that his wife,
>>> Virginia Eugenia Cabral, died on 21 of current (can’t read the rest)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Can sks help me out here?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks, Sidenote Sam
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Sidenote, Santa Maria, Sao Pedro

[Bill Seidler]

For what it's worth, I completely concur with Cheri.

The body of the record has something I've never seen.  Does it say that she 
is a 17-year-old orphan that is legally authorized to marry by a judge at 
city hall?

Bill Seidler 

On Saturday, December 28, 2019 at 6:16:15 PM UTC-8, Cheri Mello wrote:
>
> Manuel died 23 April 1960 (at least in this light). Maybe someone with 
> better eyes can look.
>
> Virginia died 21 Dec? 1966 (?) That's my best guess. Maybe they recorded 
> it on Virginia's baptism too?
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
>
> On Sat, Dec 28, 2019 at 6:05 PM 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy <
> azo...@googlegroups.com > wrote:
>
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-C-1900-1906/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-C-1900-1906_item1/P44.html
>>
>>  
>>
>> I believe the side note says that Manoel Soares de Freitas died on 22 of 
>> April of current year (1960) and the second side note says that his wife, 
>> Virginia Eugenia Cabral, died on 21 of current (can’t read the rest)
>>
>>  
>>
>> Can sks help me out here?
>>
>>  
>>
>> Thanks, Sidenote Sam
>>
>>  
>>
>>  
>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Sidenote, Santa Maria, Sao Pedro

[Cheri Mello]

Manuel died 23 April 1960 (at least in this light). Maybe someone with
better eyes can look.

Virginia died 21 Dec? 1966 (?) That's my best guess. Maybe they recorded it
on Virginia's baptism too?

Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada


On Sat, Dec 28, 2019 at 6:05 PM 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy <
azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:

>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-C-1900-1906/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-C-1900-1906_item1/P44.html
>
>
>
> I believe the side note says that Manoel Soares de Freitas died on 22 of
> April of current year (1960) and the second side note says that his wife,
> Virginia Eugenia Cabral, died on 21 of current (can’t read the rest)
>
>
>
> Can sks help me out here?
>
>
>
> Thanks, Sidenote Sam
>
>
>
>
>
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