Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Azores passport process
Hi, this is actually an application for his passport. The document states he was a (exposto) foundling raised by you can find his birth record on line I don't have access to my desktop today. I can have another try tomorrow if no one else in the list has not assisted by then. On Thu, Dec 8, 2016 at 10:11 PM Kirsten Crosson wrote: > Hi all, I wonder if someone an advise me about the process of leaving the > Azores circa 1883. I was playing around with museu da emigração, and to > my delight found a document referencing my GGGrandparents and 2 of their > children just before they left for Hawaii. I got help with translation, and > it appears to be more of a certification of their identity and I'm > wondering if this was usual or perhaps because they were both illegitimate? > The names and dates match what I had from baptism records, and so I wonder > also if the adopting families (listed on baptisms) might have been related > to the babies? Where and why might their last names have been chosen? Last, > I wonder if there are additional documents I should be seeking? Thanks for > any advice! I'll add in a link if anyone wants to see the ID doc > firsthand-the couple are Marcelino Soares de Almeida and his wife Lucinda > Augusta Moniz. For some reason it is titled Manuel, but that was their > infant son. > > http://museuemigracao.cm-ribeiragrande.pt/pesquisa_avancada/manuel-soares-de-almeida/#respond > Thank you! > > Kirsten > > Sent from my iPad > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Azores Genealogy" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Azores passport process
This must be the wrong couple. This couple is going to Brazil, not Hawaii. What other documents do you have Kirsten that says your people are from Calhetas and Sao Jose in Ponta Delgada? Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Azores passport process
I saw that Cheri, I guess I figured they changed their minds? So, I have baptisms (thanks to Shirley Allegre). I can copy paste the info.but it matches. I have them on the Bell Rock arriving HI Nov 1883. Then census records in HI and later California. Death record for Lucinda correctly lists the father as Lindinha as per Uncle Tony. Family history also claimed that one of them was a "rota baby" . And you have to admit the names are unusual. Marcello orphan of the wheel of Camara _ _ (I have been told that CAMARA means of the municipality.) DOB 2 June 1852 BAP 3 June 1852, Sao Jose - Ponta Delgada, Sao Miguel, Azores (186RB) Maria Francisca wife of Manoel Pavao place of Fenais GODPARENT SACHRISTAO (gravedigger) Antonio Jose da Silva, single TESTIMONY Joaquim Pacheco Antonio Gomes both married & residents of this freguesia. And for Lucinda: Lucinda, orphan - - - (8LT) BAPT. 28 April 1852 Nossa Senhora da Conceicao - Ribeira Grande, Sao Miguel, Azores Umblina Rosa, married with Manoel Moniz Lindinha GODPARENT Joao Duarte Pacheco, suis juris (I don't know what suis juris means.) from Nossa Senhora d Conceicao - Ribeira Grande TESTIMONY Manoel da Costa Manoel de Medeiros all married this church *** please feel free to tell me iF I'm way off base! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Azores passport process
Hi Kirsten, Had a chance to read the linked document and also checked Marcelo's baptism record. Just so you understand, 1. Birth date - he was placed on the wheel on the date you are assuming to his birth date. 2. He is a foundling and he belonged to the Camara of Ponta Delgada. They hired couples to look after abandoned babies. These couples would be paid to raise them up to a certain age. After that, no one knows exactly what happened. Some were lucky and stayed with the family others. 3. They were not adopted by any of the assigned couples. So they remained of "unknown" parents 4. Surnames - Based on my own experience there was no rule. Expostos seemed to pick names after important/well known people of their towns. I have one direct ancestor from Ribeira Grande. He is an exposto. His name is "Francisco Taveira de Neiva". Exact same name of a very prominent person that lived a generation before him in that town. He did something else too.he named his own daughter with the same name as the "original" Taveira's daughter Julia Taveira. Yes, you should look up the Ponta Delgada passports in between the dates of the application and the Ship's date. On it, it should say where they were heading. I don't think the Camara's tracked their foundlings. There were too many. They just gave them a better chance of survival when they were abandoned by placing them in the assigned homes., sorry. There are professionals in this list who may be able to add to this. Hope they do, so we all learn more about the process. Take care. Margaret On Thu, Dec 8, 2016 at 10:11 PM, Kirsten Crosson wrote: > Hi all, I wonder if someone an advise me about the process of leaving the > Azores circa 1883. I was playing around with museu da emigração, and to > my delight found a document referencing my GGGrandparents and 2 of their > children just before they left for Hawaii. I got help with translation, and > it appears to be more of a certification of their identity and I'm > wondering if this was usual or perhaps because they were both illegitimate? > The names and dates match what I had from baptism records, and so I wonder > also if the adopting families (listed on baptisms) might have been related > to the babies? Where and why might their last names have been chosen? Last, > I wonder if there are additional documents I should be seeking? Thanks for > any advice! I'll add in a link if anyone wants to see the ID doc > firsthand-the couple are Marcelino Soares de Almeida and his wife Lucinda > Augusta Moniz. For some reason it is titled Manuel, but that was their > infant son. > http://museuemigracao.cm-ribeiragrande.pt/pesquisa_ > avancada/manuel-soares-de-almeida/#respond > Thank you! > > Kirsten > > Sent from my iPad > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Azores Genealogy" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. > -- Margaret M Vicente -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Azores passport process
SACHRISTÃO ( gravedigger ) A sacristão is/was the priest's helper during Mass On Friday, December 9, 2016 at 12:56:04 AM UTC-5, Kirsten wrote: > > I saw that Cheri, I guess I figured they changed their minds? So, I have > baptisms (thanks to Shirley Allegre). I can copy paste the info.but it > matches. I have them on the Bell Rock arriving HI Nov 1883. Then census > records in HI and later California. Death record for Lucinda correctly > lists the father as Lindinha as per Uncle Tony. Family history also claimed > that one of them was a "rota baby" . And you have to admit the names are > unusual. > > > Marcello > orphan of the wheel of Camara _ _ > (I have been told that CAMARA means of the municipality.) > DOB 2 June 1852 > BAP 3 June 1852, Sao Jose - Ponta Delgada, Sao Miguel, Azores (186RB) > Maria Francisca wife of Manoel Pavao > place of Fenais > GODPARENT > SACHRISTAO (gravedigger) Antonio Jose da Silva, single > TESTIMONY > Joaquim Pacheco > Antonio Gomes > both married & residents of this freguesia. > > And for Lucinda: > > Lucinda, orphan - - - (8LT) > BAPT. 28 April 1852 > Nossa Senhora da Conceicao - Ribeira Grande, Sao Miguel, Azores > Umblina Rosa, married with Manoel Moniz Lindinha > GODPARENT > Joao Duarte Pacheco, suis juris (I don't know what suis juris > means.) > from Nossa Senhora d Conceicao - Ribeira Grande > TESTIMONY > Manoel da Costa > Manoel de Medeiros > all married this church > > *** please feel free to tell me iF I'm way off base! > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
