Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Godparents

2018-07-16 Thread Maria Lima
Thanks all.  Either the priest misspelled doutor or he was saying the child had 
the same name as the father.  It was the title of  the godmother that made me 
lean to the father having the title "Doutor".  

Because the names of Marques and Marquita sounded similar (to me),  i wondered 
if there was some relationship between the family and the godparents.  

António José Marques and Francisca Candida had FOURTEEN CHILDREN!  This is the 
most I've found in all my research.  Can you imagine how many descendants they 
have all over the world!  

Thank you all

Maria Elena 

> On Jul 16, 2018, at 8:31 AM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
> 
> Some older records say "filhos familliar." Children of the family. You can 
> interpret it that way.
> 
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
> 
>> On Mon, Jul 16, 2018 at 6:29 AM, Gonçalo Marques  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Has Rick says, it is "Doctor". They misspelled it. Instead of "Doutor" they 
>> wrote "Doutro".
>> 
>> And their last name is "Mesquita". The portuguese word for Mosque and a 
>> common surname.
>> 
>> As for the expression "filhos familliar", I never heard that.
>> 
>> Cheers
>> Gonçalo
>> 
>> 
>>> On Mon, Jul 16, 2018 at 2:21 PM, Richard Francis Pimentel 
>>>  wrote:
>>> The godfather is Caetano Jose de Misquita and his sister Dona  Barbara 
>>> Jacinta de Misquita both children of the family of Doctor Caetano Jose de 
>>> Misquita
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Rick
>>> 
>>> Richard Francis Pimentel
>>> 
>>> Epping, NH
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Researching, Riberia Grande, Riberinha, Achada Grande,  Bretanha, and Ponta 
>>> Delgada,  Sao Miguel, Acores
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
>>> Maria Lima
>>> Sent: Monday, July 16, 2018 8:37 AM
>>> To: AZORES
>>> Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Godparents
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> TOP LEFT PAGE FOR MARIA (this is a clear record to read)
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> 8 th line from bottom regarding the godparents:does that say  "do 
>>> outro"  or doctor?  The Godfather had the same name as his father so it 
>>> makes sense the priest wrote "do outro".   However,  the way the priest 
>>> wrote the word "do" twice, I thought it might be doctor(?).  (Did they even 
>>> use that title?). 
>>> 
>>>  I also thought this because the godmother had the title  of "Doña".  It 
>>> was interesting that the last names were so similar to the last name of the 
>>> parents:  Marques and Marquita.  
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Im still confused why  does the priest write "filhos familiar" instead of 
>>> just the word filhos?  
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Any light on this would be appreciated.  Thank you.
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-SAOROQUE-B-1814-1821/SMG-PD-SAOROQUE-B-1814-1821_item1/P177.html
>>> 
>>> Maria Elena 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Godparents

2018-07-16 Thread Cheri Mello
Some older records say "filhos familliar." Children of the family. You can
interpret it that way.

Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

On Mon, Jul 16, 2018 at 6:29 AM, Gonçalo Marques 
wrote:

>
> Has Rick says, it is "Doctor". They misspelled it. Instead of "Doutor"
> they wrote "Doutro".
>
> And their last name is "Mesquita". The portuguese word for Mosque and a
> common surname.
>
> As for the expression "filhos familliar", I never heard that.
>
> Cheers
> Gonçalo
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 16, 2018 at 2:21 PM, Richard Francis Pimentel <
> richard.francis.pimen...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> *The godfather is Caetano Jose de Misquita and his sister Dona  Barbara
>> Jacinta de Misquita both children of the family of Doctor Caetano Jose de
>> Misquita*
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *Rick*
>>
>> *Richard Francis Pimentel*
>>
>> *Epping, NH*
>>
>>
>>
>> *Researching, Riberia Grande, Riberinha, Achada Grande,  Bretanha, and
>> Ponta Delgada,  Sao Miguel, Acores*
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] *On
>> Behalf Of *Maria Lima
>> *Sent:* Monday, July 16, 2018 8:37 AM
>> *To:* AZORES
>> *Subject:* [AZORES-Genealogy] Godparents
>>
>>
>>
>> TOP LEFT PAGE FOR MARIA (this is a clear record to read)
>>
>>
>>
>> 8 th line from bottom regarding the godparents:does that say  "do
>> outro"  or doctor?  The Godfather had the same name as his father so it
>> makes sense the priest wrote "do outro".   However,  the way the priest
>> wrote the word "do" twice, I thought it might be doctor(?).  (Did they even
>> use that title?).
>>
>>  I also thought this because the godmother had the title  of "Doña".  It
>> was interesting that the last names were so similar to the last name of the
>> parents:  Marques and Marquita.
>>
>>
>>
>> Im still confused why  does the priest write "filhos familiar" instead of
>> just the word filhos?
>>
>>
>>
>> Any light on this would be appreciated.  Thank you.
>>
>>
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-
>> SAOROQUE-B-1814-1821/SMG-PD-SAOROQUE-B-1814-1821_item1/P177.html
>>
>> Maria Elena
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Godparents

2018-07-16 Thread Gonçalo Marques
Has Rick says, it is "Doctor". They misspelled it. Instead of "Doutor" they
wrote "Doutro".

And their last name is "Mesquita". The portuguese word for Mosque and a
common surname.

As for the expression "filhos familliar", I never heard that.

Cheers
Gonçalo


On Mon, Jul 16, 2018 at 2:21 PM, Richard Francis Pimentel <
richard.francis.pimen...@gmail.com> wrote:

> *The godfather is Caetano Jose de Misquita and his sister Dona  Barbara
> Jacinta de Misquita both children of the family of Doctor Caetano Jose de
> Misquita*
>
>
>
>
>
> *Rick*
>
> *Richard Francis Pimentel*
>
> *Epping, NH*
>
>
>
> *Researching, Riberia Grande, Riberinha, Achada Grande,  Bretanha, and
> Ponta Delgada,  Sao Miguel, Acores*
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] *On
> Behalf Of *Maria Lima
> *Sent:* Monday, July 16, 2018 8:37 AM
> *To:* AZORES
> *Subject:* [AZORES-Genealogy] Godparents
>
>
>
> TOP LEFT PAGE FOR MARIA (this is a clear record to read)
>
>
>
> 8 th line from bottom regarding the godparents:does that say  "do
> outro"  or doctor?  The Godfather had the same name as his father so it
> makes sense the priest wrote "do outro".   However,  the way the priest
> wrote the word "do" twice, I thought it might be doctor(?).  (Did they even
> use that title?).
>
>  I also thought this because the godmother had the title  of "Doña".  It
> was interesting that the last names were so similar to the last name of the
> parents:  Marques and Marquita.
>
>
>
> Im still confused why  does the priest write "filhos familiar" instead of
> just the word filhos?
>
>
>
> Any light on this would be appreciated.  Thank you.
>
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-
> PD-SAOROQUE-B-1814-1821/SMG-PD-SAOROQUE-B-1814-1821_item1/P177.html
>
> Maria Elena
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Godparents

2018-07-16 Thread Richard Francis Pimentel
The godfather is Caetano Jose de Misquita and his sister Dona  Barbara Jacinta 
de Misquita both children of the family of Doctor Caetano Jose de Misquita

 

 

Rick

Richard Francis Pimentel

Epping, NH

 

Researching, Riberia Grande, Riberinha, Achada Grande,  Bretanha, and Ponta 
Delgada,  Sao Miguel, Acores

 

 

 

From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Maria Lima
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2018 8:37 AM
To: AZORES
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Godparents

 

TOP LEFT PAGE FOR MARIA (this is a clear record to read)

 

8 th line from bottom regarding the godparents:does that say  "do outro"  
or doctor?  The Godfather had the same name as his father so it makes sense the 
priest wrote "do outro".   However,  the way the priest wrote the word "do" 
twice, I thought it might be doctor(?).  (Did they even use that title?). 

 I also thought this because the godmother had the title  of "Doña".  It was 
interesting that the last names were so similar to the last name of the 
parents:  Marques and Marquita.  

 

Im still confused why  does the priest write "filhos familiar" instead of just 
the word filhos?  

 

Any light on this would be appreciated.  Thank you.

 

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-SAOROQUE-B-1814-1821/SMG-PD-SAOROQUE-B-1814-1821_item1/P177.html

Maria Elena 

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Godparents in a Vila do Porto, Santa Maria record

2017-02-24 Thread Ângela Loura
Hi Denis,

Luís António Maximo Pereira and Leonor Maxima Pereira were the godparents,
and they were represented by the other couple.

2017-02-24 17:28 GMT+00:00 Denis Meals :

> In looking at baptism records of Vila do Porto, Santa Maria island, I need
> some clarification as to the Godparents in the attached right side, bottom
> record.
>
> I see the following: Godparents Luís António Maximo Pereira and Leonor
> Maxima Pereira, residents of São Miguel, by proxy [*representatives for,
> or represented by*] Manoel Barbosa Pacheco and Dona Maria Mequelina da
> Conceição, sister of the baptized.
>
> Is the first couple representing the second, or the reverse?
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-
> VP-ASSUNCAO-B-1834-1840/SMA-VP-ASSUNCAO-B-1834-1840_item1/P124.html
>
> Thanks,
> Denis
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Godparents

2012-10-25 Thread Cheri Mello
One good thing about having the same godparents
I was researching Sao Miguel Arcanjo (Matriz) in Vila Franca do Campo on
Sao Miguel for a Manuel Somebody and Maria de Jesus.  And wouldn't you
know, there was another couple named Manuel Somebody and Maria de Jesus (my
genealogy program is not up at the moment, so I can't remember Manuel's
surname).  I knew I had 2 different couples with the same name because I
was finding baptisms only a few months apart.  So I had to collect them
all.  One Manuel & Maria had the same godparents on their kids.  The other
had 2 or 3 different couples.  So I created a family group based on the
godparents.  I really don't know if I'm 100% correct.  I guess when I meet
St. Peter at the Pearly White Gates I will ask for Manuel and Maria and
I'll ask them if I was right!  LOL
Cheri Mello
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Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas,
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Godparents

2012-10-25 Thread Pam Santos
Yeah I hadn't very good luck with Male godparents. Its like the disappeared
from their lives after the baptism, and they were both step brothers of my
ex husband.

On Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 12:32 PM, Alda Jorge  wrote:

> On the idea of the same godparents
>
> My daughters have the same godparents and I in turn with my husband are
> the godparents of that couple's children
> My granddaughter was baptized this weekend and she now has two godmothers
> and one godfather. which in our religion and family tradition is a bit out
> of the norm.  But the baby's mother wanted her two sister to have a hand in
> helping her raising her daughter just in case
>
>
> On Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 2:08 PM, Pam Santos  wrote:
>
>> Thanks everyone,  My son has two godmothers and no godfather and I
>> thought that was out of the ordinary for these times, so back then I that
>> it would be even more out of the ordinary.
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 9:57 AM, Mary Bordi  wrote:
>>
>>> On Oct 25, 2012, at 5:42 AM, Frederick Souza 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> > I don't think it is so uncommon for there to be one set of godparents
>>> for all the children.
>>>
>>> My great grandfather (Rosais, Sao Jorge) and his nine siblings had the
>>> same godparents.
>>>
>>> Fortunately, their mother lived to be 100!
>>>
>>> Mary
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Godparents

2012-10-25 Thread Alda Jorge
On the idea of the same godparents

My daughters have the same godparents and I in turn with my husband are the
godparents of that couple's children
My granddaughter was baptized this weekend and she now has two godmothers
and one godfather. which in our religion and family tradition is a bit out
of the norm.  But the baby's mother wanted her two sister to have a hand in
helping her raising her daughter just in case


On Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 2:08 PM, Pam Santos  wrote:

> Thanks everyone,  My son has two godmothers and no godfather and I thought
> that was out of the ordinary for these times, so back then I that it would
> be even more out of the ordinary.
>
>
> On Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 9:57 AM, Mary Bordi  wrote:
>
>> On Oct 25, 2012, at 5:42 AM, Frederick Souza 
>> wrote:
>>
>> > I don't think it is so uncommon for there to be one set of godparents
>> for all the children.
>>
>> My great grandfather (Rosais, Sao Jorge) and his nine siblings had the
>> same godparents.
>>
>> Fortunately, their mother lived to be 100!
>>
>> Mary
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Godparents

2012-10-25 Thread Pam Santos
Thanks everyone,  My son has two godmothers and no godfather and I thought
that was out of the ordinary for these times, so back then I that it would
be even more out of the ordinary.

On Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 9:57 AM, Mary Bordi  wrote:

> On Oct 25, 2012, at 5:42 AM, Frederick Souza  wrote:
>
> > I don't think it is so uncommon for there to be one set of godparents
> for all the children.
>
> My great grandfather (Rosais, Sao Jorge) and his nine siblings had the
> same godparents.
>
> Fortunately, their mother lived to be 100!
>
> Mary
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Godparents

2012-10-25 Thread Mary Bordi
On Oct 25, 2012, at 5:42 AM, Frederick Souza  wrote:

> I don't think it is so uncommon for there to be one set of godparents for all 
> the children.  

My great grandfather (Rosais, Sao Jorge) and his nine siblings had the same 
godparents. 

Fortunately, their mother lived to be 100!

Mary

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Re: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Godparents

2012-10-25 Thread bellemarco
My own children have different godmothers but both have the same godfather,  
a beloved brother in law. One of the reasons...my husband's only brother  
was not Catholic.


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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Godparents

2012-10-25 Thread Frederick Souza
I don't think it is so uncommon for there to be one set of godparents for all 
the children.  Since this was often not only a religious custom, it also 
provided an indication of who would get custody of the children in the event of 
the parent's death.  Also, ala "The Godfather" in some instances it was a 
status issue to have a Padrinho who was "connected" or had money.

On Oct 24, 2012, at 9:44 PM, allevacon...@gmail.com wrote:

> Maybe they wanted to keep the kids together if anything happened to them (the 
> parents)
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>> Pam S,
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>> One male godparent?  Because no females were available?  Or they invoked the 
>> Virgin Mary?  My nephew has 2 godparents (they were a married couple) and my 
>> niece only has 1 godparent (me).  Maybe other list members have other ideas.
>> 
>> Why do they have the same godparents for multiple children?  Because they 
>> like that couple or maybe because it was a couple with money or status?  
>> Again, maybe others have other ideas.
>> Cheri Mello
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>> Achada
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Godparents

2012-10-24 Thread allevaconrad
Maybe they wanted to keep the kids together if anything happened to them (the 
parents)

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On Oct 23, 2012, at 6:47 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:

> Pam S,
> 
> One male godparent?  Because no females were available?  Or they invoked the 
> Virgin Mary?  My nephew has 2 godparents (they were a married couple) and my 
> niece only has 1 godparent (me).  Maybe other list members have other ideas.
> 
> Why do they have the same godparents for multiple children?  Because they 
> like that couple or maybe because it was a couple with money or status?  
> Again, maybe others have other ideas.
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, 
> Achada
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Godparents

2012-10-23 Thread Cheri Mello
Pam S,

One male godparent?  Because no females were available?  Or they invoked
the Virgin Mary?  My nephew has 2 godparents (they were a married couple)
and my niece only has 1 godparent (me).  Maybe other list members have
other ideas.

Why do they have the same godparents for multiple children?  Because they
like that couple or maybe because it was a couple with money or status?
Again, maybe others have other ideas.
Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas,
Achada

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