Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Parents of Joao da Costa

['Gayle Machado' via Azores Genealogy]

Louie,

It is Manuel Costa. But, his wife is Agueda Rodrigues. The abbreviation Roiz. 
is being used. 

Gayle



> On Mar 5, 2017, at 11:46 AM, Louie Avila  wrote:
> 
> 
> All (especially Gayle),
> 
> This is a link to Joao da Costa's baptism record (Pico, Sao Mateus)
> 
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-MD-SAOMATEUS-B-1673-1703/PIC-MD-SAOMATEUS-B-1673-1703_item1/P9.html
> 
> I am trying to decipher his parents names ... I see Manuel da Costa and Aguda 
> Rosa. Do they appear correct?
> 
> Can someone look and comment, please?
> 
> Louie
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Parents of Joao da Costa

[Margaret Vicente]

Agree with Cheri, Agada Roiz (Agueda Rodrigues) and Manuel da Costa
On Sun, Mar 5, 2017 at 3:55 PM Cheri Mello  wrote:

> Yes, Manuel da Costa and either Agueda Rosa or Agueda Rois (for
> Rodrigues). It's kinda creased there..so if you have another record with
> her as Agueda Rosa, then that's her name.
>
> The guy didn't pick up his pen and it looks like Mez, but it's Mel.
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
> On Sun, Mar 5, 2017 at 12:49 PM, Richard Francis Pimentel <
> rickredle...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> *His father name is abbreviated M**ez not sure but it is not Manuel which
> should be Mel. The mothers name looks good.*
>
> *Rick*
>
>
>
> *From:* azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] *On
> Behalf Of *Louie Avila
> *Sent:* Sunday, March 5, 2017 2:47 PM
> *To:* Azores Genealogy
> *Subject:* [AZORES-Genealogy] Parents of Joao da Costa
>
>
>
>
>
> All (especially Gayle),
>
>
>
> This is a link to Joao da Costa's baptism record (Pico, Sao Mateus)
>
>
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-MD-SAOMATEUS-B-1673-1703/PIC-MD-SAOMATEUS-B-1673-1703_item1/P9.html
>
>
>
> I am trying to decipher his parents names ... I see Manuel da Costa and
> Aguda Rosa. Do they appear correct?
>
>
>
> Can someone look and comment, please?
>
>
>
> Louie
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Parents of Joao da Costa

[Cheri Mello]

Yes, Manuel da Costa and either Agueda Rosa or Agueda Rois (for Rodrigues).
It's kinda creased there..so if you have another record with her as Agueda
Rosa, then that's her name.

The guy didn't pick up his pen and it looks like Mez, but it's Mel.

Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

On Sun, Mar 5, 2017 at 12:49 PM, Richard Francis Pimentel <
rickredle...@gmail.com> wrote:

> *His father name is abbreviated M**ez not sure but it is not Manuel which
> should be Mel. The mothers name looks good.*
>
> *Rick*
>
>
>
> *From:* azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] *On
> Behalf Of *Louie Avila
> *Sent:* Sunday, March 5, 2017 2:47 PM
> *To:* Azores Genealogy
> *Subject:* [AZORES-Genealogy] Parents of Joao da Costa
>
>
>
>
>
> All (especially Gayle),
>
>
>
> This is a link to Joao da Costa's baptism record (Pico, Sao Mateus)
>
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-
> MD-SAOMATEUS-B-1673-1703/PIC-MD-SAOMATEUS-B-1673-1703_item1/P9.html
>
>
>
> I am trying to decipher his parents names ... I see Manuel da Costa and
> Aguda Rosa. Do they appear correct?
>
>
>
> Can someone look and comment, please?
>
>
>
> Louie
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Parents of Joao da Costa

[Richard Francis Pimentel]

His father name is abbreviated Mez not sure but it is not Manuel which should 
be Mel. The mothers name looks good.

Rick

 

From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Louie Avila
Sent: Sunday, March 5, 2017 2:47 PM
To: Azores Genealogy
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Parents of Joao da Costa

 

 

All (especially Gayle),

 

This is a link to Joao da Costa's baptism record (Pico, Sao Mateus)

 

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-MD-SAOMATEUS-B-1673-1703/PIC-MD-SAOMATEUS-B-1673-1703_item1/P9.html

 

I am trying to decipher his parents names ... I see Manuel da Costa and Aguda 
Rosa. Do they appear correct?

 

Can someone look and comment, please?

 

Louie

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RE: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Parents of Joao Da Costa Ferraz and Antonia Francisca

[pico]

Herb,As you know, there doesn't seem to be a perfect match for the parents of your ancestor from Se, Angra.The baptism you found could very well be right, even though the first name of the mother is not matching.Or it could be that Jose was born out of wedlock and this is not mentioned at his marriage. I have seen this many times when someone moves to another island. So keep in mind maybe a Jose with pai incognito and a matching mother is the right record.Another idea is that perhaps someone on the father's side will be one of the padrinhos for baptisms, maybe by proxy if still residing in Terceira. Make sure you find them all to check that out. And if he lived long enough to have died in July 1860 or later, his parents should be listed and might be differently listed than at his marriage. Maybe they will be a match to that baptism you found.Maybe also a sibling of his also moved to Conceicao, Ribeira Grande, or nearby. So when searching through baptisms, pay attention to anyone else from Angra showing up in the Ribeira Grande records because maybe the names of their parents will be correct when you find their marriage.But I'll keep an eye out for them in Angra, too.The person you found in Se has siblings born elsewhere in Terceira. I already had them in my database. The Joao da Rosa you found had two sisters and one brother also found in Terceira records.Doug da Rocha HolmesPico & Terceira Genealogist=Get ready for NFL Fantasy Football and join me in the newly created Azores Genealogist League. Still looking for more participants.Write me here for more info: n...@rochaholmes.com=


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Subject: RE: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Parents of Joao Da Costa Ferraz and
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From: <p...@dholmes.com>
Date: Wed, June 11, 2014 9:49 am
To: azores@googlegroups.com, "Herb & Judi Silva"
<herbandj...@verizon.net>

I found your ancestor's record of marriage, Herb.http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-CONCEICAO-C-1801-1831/SMG-RG-CONCEICAO-C-1801-1831_item1/P114.htmlDoug da Rocha HolmesPico & Terceira Genealogist=Get ready for NFL Fantasy Football and join me in the newly created Azores Genealogist League. Still looking for more participants.Write me here for more info: n...@rochaholmes.com=====   ---- Original Message ---- Subject: Re: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Parents of Joao Da Costa Ferraz and Antonia Francisca From: Herb and Judi Silva <herbandj...@verizon.net> Date: Mon, May 26, 2014 8:11 pm To: azores@googlegroups.com, margaretvice...@gmail.com    Hi Margaret.  Thanks for the information.  Now there's a couple of surnames you don't see everyday huh???, Conigo and Xiote Sousa, right? I will do some more checking. I only knew of two children they had,  Antonio Jacinto and Manuel.  Not aware of a 2nd Antonio Herb On 05/26/14, Margaret Vicente<margaretvicente@gmail.com> wrote: Herb,I show Joao's parents as Manuel Ferras Conigo and Maria de Santo Amaro Medeiros.Antonia Francisca's surname is Sousa.  She is the daughter of Manuel de Sousa Xiote and Maria de Oliveira. I'm not certain if you have the right child named Antonio for the marriage record because this couple had another Antonio born 23-April-1793.  This Antonio would be 24 years old at time of marriage Jul 7 1784.Check out all the the information here, right side, bottom record:http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-AGUADEPAU-B-1780-1801/SMG-LG-AGUADEPAU-B-1780-1801_item1/P171.htmlMargaretOn Mon, May 26, 2014 at 7:12 PM, Herb <herbandjudi@verizon.net> wrote:I'm trying to locate the parents of Joao da Costa Ferraz and Antonia Francisca of Agua de Pau, Sao Miguelhttp://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-AGUADEPAU-C-1809-1832/SMG-LG-AGUADEPAU-C-1809-1832_item1/P78.html.  Right sideTheir son Antonio Jacinto da Costa Ferraz was born 7 Jul 1784 and married Barbara Querobina do Espirito Santo on 10 Feb 1817 in Agua de Pau.   On their marriage record  she was listed as Barbara Querobina do Coracao de Jesus.Witnesses at this marriage were Antonio Caetano da Silva Lopes and Antonio Jose TavaresIt's possible that Joao's parents were not from Agua de Pau.  I'm thinking maybe they were from  Vila Franca, but I have not been able to find them.  Does anyone have these families?Herb-- --   





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RE: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Parents of Joao Da Costa Ferraz and Antonia Francisca

[pico]

I found your ancestor's record of marriage, Herb.http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-CONCEICAO-C-1801-1831/SMG-RG-CONCEICAO-C-1801-1831_item1/P114.htmlDoug da Rocha HolmesPico & Terceira Genealogist=Get ready for NFL Fantasy Football and join me in the newly created Azores Genealogist League. Still looking for more participants.Write me here for more info: n...@rochaholmes.com=


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Subject: Re: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Parents of Joao Da Costa Ferraz and
Antonia Francisca
From: Herb and Judi Silva <herbandj...@verizon.net>
Date: Mon, May 26, 2014 8:11 pm
To: azores@googlegroups.com, margaretvice...@gmail.com

  Hi Margaret.  Thanks for the information.  Now there's a couple of surnames you don't see everyday huh???, Conigo and Xiote Sousa, right? I will do some more checking. I only knew of two children they had,  Antonio Jacinto and Manuel.  Not aware of a 2nd Antonio Herb On 05/26/14, Margaret Vicente<margaretvicente@gmail.com> wrote: Herb,I show Joao's parents as Manuel Ferras Conigo and Maria de Santo Amaro Medeiros.Antonia Francisca's surname is Sousa.  She is the daughter of Manuel de Sousa Xiote and Maria de Oliveira. I'm not certain if you have the right child named Antonio for the marriage record because this couple had another Antonio born 23-April-1793.  This Antonio would be 24 years old at time of marriage Jul 7 1784.Check out all the the information here, right side, bottom record:http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-AGUADEPAU-B-1780-1801/SMG-LG-AGUADEPAU-B-1780-1801_item1/P171.htmlMargaretOn Mon, May 26, 2014 at 7:12 PM, Herb <herbandjudi@verizon.net> wrote:I'm trying to locate the parents of Joao da Costa Ferraz and Antonia Francisca of Agua de Pau, Sao Miguelhttp://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-AGUADEPAU-C-1809-1832/SMG-LG-AGUADEPAU-C-1809-1832_item1/P78.html.  Right sideTheir son Antonio Jacinto da Costa Ferraz was born 7 Jul 1784 and married Barbara Querobina do Espirito Santo on 10 Feb 1817 in Agua de Pau.   On their marriage record  she was listed as Barbara Querobina do Coracao de Jesus.Witnesses at this marriage were Antonio Caetano da Silva Lopes and Antonio Jose TavaresIt's possible that Joao's parents were not from Agua de Pau.  I'm thinking maybe they were from  Vila Franca, but I have not been able to find them.  Does anyone have these families?Herb--  





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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Parents of Joao Da Costa Ferraz and Antonia Francisca

[herb]

Hi Eliseu I gave you the wrong date and location. Here is the correct 
information

Antonio Jose Terceira Coelho was born in Se Angra do Heroismo, Terceira and 
married Jacinta Rosa of Conceicao Ribeira Grande on 10 Nov 1817 in Conceicao 
Ribeira Grande Sao Miguel. The. Conceicao marriage records are not up on the 
site yet. I know Rick Pimentel  had said he had access to some of the Conceicao 
marriages. Sorry about the wrong date. Jacinta was the daughter of Luis de 
Teves Ferreira of NS da Estrela and Maria Joaquina of Sao Sebastiao PD and was 
born on 8 July 1798 in NS da Conceicao RG. 

Herb


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> On May 27, 2014, at 4:08 PM, herb  wrote:
> 
> 
> Hi Eliseu it was in Conceicao 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On May 27, 2014, at 3:46 PM, "Eliseu Pacheco da Silva" 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi!
>>  
>> Where in Ribeira Grande José Jacinto do Rego married? J
>>  
>> eliseu
>>  
>> De: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] Em nome de Herb 
>> and Judi Silva
>> Enviada: terça-feira, 27 de Maio de 2014 02:52
>> Para: azores@googlegroups.com
>> Assunto: Re: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Parents of Joao Da Costa Ferraz and 
>> Antonia Francisca
>>  
>>  Hi Doug
>>  
>> I do have a line that originated in Terceira,  a Joao de Rosa and Ana 
>> Joaquina  of Se, Angra do Heroismo Terceira, who had a son named Antonio  
>> Jose "Terceira" Coelho who was born in Se Parish,  but  married Jacinta Rosa 
>> in NS da Conceicao, Ribeira Grande Sao Miguel on 8 July 1798.  I don't have 
>> dates for Joao Rosa and Ana Joaquina and CCA has not posted any Ribeira 
>> Grande records so it's a bit challenging to do crosschecks and prove lines. 
>> I'm hoping to live long enough to actually see those records in the  CCA 
>> site. LOL
>>  
>>  Antonio Jose "Terceira" Coelho ( is one of my 4th great grandfathers) and 
>> Jacinta Rosa had a daughter Luzia Candida who  married Jose Jacinto Rego  on 
>> 14 Jan 1839 in Ribeira Grande.  You know how Portuguese people are notorious 
>> and unforgiving with use of nicknames, so coming from Terceira to Sao 
>> Miguel, he was likely given the nickname of "Terceira". Did the Rosa family 
>> move to Sao Miguel from Terceira?
>>  
>>  Interesting though that my grandfather moved to Angra in the 1930's from 
>> Sao Miguel. Was there a connection there, who knows?
>>  
>> Herb
>>  
>> On 05/26/14, p...@dholmes.com wrote:
>>  
>> Hi Herb,
>>  
>> If your line is Ferraz, this might be a connection to Terceira.
>> I think it was Manoel Furtado of Brasil who once mentioned a Ferraz ancestor 
>> showing up on Sao Miguel.
>> Might not be this one, but could be. I think he'll see the message and 
>> comment on it.
>>  
>> His line came from Se, Angra (the cathedral in downtown Angra) in the early 
>> 1600s, I believe.
>>  
>> Doug da Rocha Holmes
>> Sacramento, California
>> Pico & Terceira Genealogist
>> 916-550-1618
>> www.dholmes.com
>>  
>> 
>>  Original Message 
>> Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Parents of Joao Da Costa Ferraz and Antonia
>> Francisca
>> From: Herb 
>> Date: Mon, May 26, 2014 4:12 pm
>> To: azores@googlegroups.com
>> 
>>  
>> I'm trying to locate the parents of Joao da Costa Ferraz and Antonia 
>> Francisca of Agua de Pau, Sao Miguel
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-AGUADEPAU-C-1809-1832/SMG-LG-AGUADEPAU-C-1809-1832_item1/P78.html.
>>   Right side
>>  
>> Their son Antonio Jacinto da Costa Ferraz was born 7 Jul 1784 and married 
>> Barbara Querobina do Espirito Santo on 10 Feb 1817 in Agua de Pau.   On 
>> their marriage record  she was listed as Barbara Querobina do Coracao de 
>> Jesus.
>>  
>> Witnesses at this marriage were Antonio Caetano da Silva Lopes and Antonio 
>> Jose Tavares
>>  
>> It's possible that Joao's parents were not from Agua de Pau.  I'm thinking 
>> maybe they were from  Vila Franca, but I have not been able to find them.  
>> Does anyone have these families?
>>  
>> Herb
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Parents of Joao Da Costa Ferraz and Antonia Francisca

[Eliseu Pacheco da Silva]

In Ribeira Grande there are some Terceira called people nowadays…

 

De: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] Em nome de herb
Enviada: terça-feira, 27 de Maio de 2014 20:09
Para: azores@googlegroups.com
Cc: 
Assunto: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Parents of Joao Da Costa Ferraz and Antonia 
Francisca

 


Hi Eliseu it was in Conceicao 
Sent from my iPhone


On May 27, 2014, at 3:46 PM, "Eliseu Pacheco da Silva" mailto:eliseuman...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Hi!

 

Where in Ribeira Grande José Jacinto do Rego married? :)

 

eliseu

 

De: azores@googlegroups.com <mailto:azores@googlegroups.com>  
[mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] Em nome de Herb and Judi Silva
Enviada: terça-feira, 27 de Maio de 2014 02:52
Para: azores@googlegroups.com <mailto:azores@googlegroups.com> 
Assunto: Re: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Parents of Joao Da Costa Ferraz and Antonia 
Francisca

 

 Hi Doug

 

I do have a line that originated in Terceira,  a Joao de Rosa and Ana Joaquina  
of Se, Angra do Heroismo Terceira, who had a son named Antonio  Jose "Terceira" 
Coelho who was born in Se Parish,  but  married Jacinta Rosa in NS da 
Conceicao, Ribeira Grande Sao Miguel on 8 July 1798.  I don't have dates for 
Joao Rosa and Ana Joaquina and CCA has not posted any Ribeira Grande records so 
it's a bit challenging to do crosschecks and prove lines. I'm hoping to live 
long enough to actually see those records in the  CCA site. LOL

 

 Antonio Jose "Terceira" Coelho ( is one of my 4th great grandfathers) and 
Jacinta Rosa had a daughter Luzia Candida who  married Jose Jacinto Rego  on 14 
Jan 1839 in Ribeira Grande.  You know how Portuguese people are notorious and 
unforgiving with use of nicknames, so coming from Terceira to Sao Miguel, he 
was likely given the nickname of "Terceira". Did the Rosa family move to Sao 
Miguel from Terceira?

 

 Interesting though that my grandfather moved to Angra in the 1930's from Sao 
Miguel. Was there a connection there, who knows?

 

Herb

 

On 05/26/14,  <mailto:p...@dholmes.com> p...@dholmes.com wrote:

 

Hi Herb,

 

If your line is Ferraz, this might be a connection to Terceira.

I think it was Manoel Furtado of Brasil who once mentioned a Ferraz ancestor 
showing up on Sao Miguel.

Might not be this one, but could be. I think he'll see the message and comment 
on it.

 

His line came from Se, Angra (the cathedral in downtown Angra) in the early 
1600s, I believe.

 

Doug da Rocha Holmes
Sacramento, California
Pico & Terceira Genealogist
916-550-1618

 <http://www.dholmes.com/> www.dholmes.com

 

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Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Parents of Joao Da Costa Ferraz and Antonia
Francisca
From: Herb < <mailto:herbandj...@verizon.net> herbandj...@verizon.net>
Date: Mon, May 26, 2014 4:12 pm
To:  <mailto:azores@googlegroups.com> azores@googlegroups.com

 

I'm trying to locate the parents of Joao da Costa Ferraz and Antonia Francisca 
of Agua de Pau, Sao Miguel

 
<http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-AGUADEPAU-C-1809-1832/SMG-LG-AGUADEPAU-C-1809-1832_item1/P78.html>
 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-AGUADEPAU-C-1809-1832/SMG-LG-AGUADEPAU-C-1809-1832_item1/P78.html.
  Right side

 

Their son Antonio Jacinto da Costa Ferraz was born 7 Jul 1784 and married 
Barbara Querobina do Espirito Santo on 10 Feb 1817 in Agua de Pau.   On their 
marriage record  she was listed as Barbara Querobina do Coracao de Jesus.

 

Witnesses at this marriage were Antonio Caetano da Silva Lopes and Antonio Jose 
Tavares

 

It's possible that Joao's parents were not from Agua de Pau.  I'm thinking 
maybe they were from  Vila Franca, but I have not been able to find them.  Does 
anyone have these families?

 

Herb

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Parents of Joao Da Costa Ferraz and Antonia Francisca

[herb]

Hi Eliseu it was in Conceicao 
Sent from my iPhone

> On May 27, 2014, at 3:46 PM, "Eliseu Pacheco da Silva" 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi!
>  
> Where in Ribeira Grande José Jacinto do Rego married? J
>  
> eliseu
>  
> De: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] Em nome de Herb 
> and Judi Silva
> Enviada: terça-feira, 27 de Maio de 2014 02:52
> Para: azores@googlegroups.com
> Assunto: Re: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Parents of Joao Da Costa Ferraz and 
> Antonia Francisca
>  
>  Hi Doug
>  
> I do have a line that originated in Terceira,  a Joao de Rosa and Ana 
> Joaquina  of Se, Angra do Heroismo Terceira, who had a son named Antonio  
> Jose "Terceira" Coelho who was born in Se Parish,  but  married Jacinta Rosa 
> in NS da Conceicao, Ribeira Grande Sao Miguel on 8 July 1798.  I don't have 
> dates for Joao Rosa and Ana Joaquina and CCA has not posted any Ribeira 
> Grande records so it's a bit challenging to do crosschecks and prove lines. 
> I'm hoping to live long enough to actually see those records in the  CCA 
> site. LOL
>  
>  Antonio Jose "Terceira" Coelho ( is one of my 4th great grandfathers) and 
> Jacinta Rosa had a daughter Luzia Candida who  married Jose Jacinto Rego  on 
> 14 Jan 1839 in Ribeira Grande.  You know how Portuguese people are notorious 
> and unforgiving with use of nicknames, so coming from Terceira to Sao Miguel, 
> he was likely given the nickname of "Terceira". Did the Rosa family move to 
> Sao Miguel from Terceira?
>  
>  Interesting though that my grandfather moved to Angra in the 1930's from Sao 
> Miguel. Was there a connection there, who knows?
>  
> Herb
>  
> On 05/26/14, p...@dholmes.com wrote:
>  
> Hi Herb,
>  
> If your line is Ferraz, this might be a connection to Terceira.
> I think it was Manoel Furtado of Brasil who once mentioned a Ferraz ancestor 
> showing up on Sao Miguel.
> Might not be this one, but could be. I think he'll see the message and 
> comment on it.
>  
> His line came from Se, Angra (the cathedral in downtown Angra) in the early 
> 1600s, I believe.
>  
> Doug da Rocha Holmes
> Sacramento, California
> Pico & Terceira Genealogist
> 916-550-1618
> www.dholmes.com
>  
> 
>  Original Message 
> Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Parents of Joao Da Costa Ferraz and Antonia
> Francisca
> From: Herb 
> Date: Mon, May 26, 2014 4:12 pm
> To: azores@googlegroups.com
> 
>  
> I'm trying to locate the parents of Joao da Costa Ferraz and Antonia 
> Francisca of Agua de Pau, Sao Miguel
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-AGUADEPAU-C-1809-1832/SMG-LG-AGUADEPAU-C-1809-1832_item1/P78.html.
>   Right side
>  
> Their son Antonio Jacinto da Costa Ferraz was born 7 Jul 1784 and married 
> Barbara Querobina do Espirito Santo on 10 Feb 1817 in Agua de Pau.   On their 
> marriage record  she was listed as Barbara Querobina do Coracao de Jesus.
>  
> Witnesses at this marriage were Antonio Caetano da Silva Lopes and Antonio 
> Jose Tavares
>  
> It's possible that Joao's parents were not from Agua de Pau.  I'm thinking 
> maybe they were from  Vila Franca, but I have not been able to find them.  
> Does anyone have these families?
>  
> Herb
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RE: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Parents of Joao Da Costa Ferraz and Antonia Francisca

[Eliseu Pacheco da Silva]

Hi!

 

Where in Ribeira Grande José Jacinto do Rego married? :)

 

eliseu

 

De: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] Em nome de Herb 
and Judi Silva
Enviada: terça-feira, 27 de Maio de 2014 02:52
Para: azores@googlegroups.com
Assunto: Re: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Parents of Joao Da Costa Ferraz and Antonia 
Francisca

 

 Hi Doug

 

I do have a line that originated in Terceira,  a Joao de Rosa and Ana Joaquina  
of Se, Angra do Heroismo Terceira, who had a son named Antonio  Jose "Terceira" 
Coelho who was born in Se Parish,  but  married Jacinta Rosa in NS da 
Conceicao, Ribeira Grande Sao Miguel on 8 July 1798.  I don't have dates for 
Joao Rosa and Ana Joaquina and CCA has not posted any Ribeira Grande records so 
it's a bit challenging to do crosschecks and prove lines. I'm hoping to live 
long enough to actually see those records in the  CCA site. LOL

 

 Antonio Jose "Terceira" Coelho ( is one of my 4th great grandfathers) and 
Jacinta Rosa had a daughter Luzia Candida who  married Jose Jacinto Rego  on 14 
Jan 1839 in Ribeira Grande.  You know how Portuguese people are notorious and 
unforgiving with use of nicknames, so coming from Terceira to Sao Miguel, he 
was likely given the nickname of "Terceira". Did the Rosa family move to Sao 
Miguel from Terceira?

 

 Interesting though that my grandfather moved to Angra in the 1930's from Sao 
Miguel. Was there a connection there, who knows?

 

Herb

 

On 05/26/14,  <mailto:p...@dholmes.com> p...@dholmes.com wrote:

 

Hi Herb,

 

If your line is Ferraz, this might be a connection to Terceira.

I think it was Manoel Furtado of Brasil who once mentioned a Ferraz ancestor 
showing up on Sao Miguel.

Might not be this one, but could be. I think he'll see the message and comment 
on it.

 

His line came from Se, Angra (the cathedral in downtown Angra) in the early 
1600s, I believe.

 

Doug da Rocha Holmes
Sacramento, California
Pico & Terceira Genealogist
916-550-1618

 <http://www.dholmes.com/> www.dholmes.com

 

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Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Parents of Joao Da Costa Ferraz and Antonia
Francisca
From: Herb < <mailto:herbandj...@verizon.net> herbandj...@verizon.net>
Date: Mon, May 26, 2014 4:12 pm
To:  <mailto:azores@googlegroups.com> azores@googlegroups.com

 

I'm trying to locate the parents of Joao da Costa Ferraz and Antonia Francisca 
of Agua de Pau, Sao Miguel

 
<http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-AGUADEPAU-C-1809-1832/SMG-LG-AGUADEPAU-C-1809-1832_item1/P78.html>
 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-AGUADEPAU-C-1809-1832/SMG-LG-AGUADEPAU-C-1809-1832_item1/P78.html.
  Right side

 

Their son Antonio Jacinto da Costa Ferraz was born 7 Jul 1784 and married 
Barbara Querobina do Espirito Santo on 10 Feb 1817 in Agua de Pau.   On their 
marriage record  she was listed as Barbara Querobina do Coracao de Jesus.

 

Witnesses at this marriage were Antonio Caetano da Silva Lopes and Antonio Jose 
Tavares

 

It's possible that Joao's parents were not from Agua de Pau.  I'm thinking 
maybe they were from  Vila Franca, but I have not been able to find them.  Does 
anyone have these families?

 

Herb

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Parents of Joao Da Costa Ferraz and Antonia Francisca

[mances]

Hi Herb and Doug,

Here's what I have about my ancestor Manuel Feraz:

Manuel Ferraz was born in Angra, ilha Terceira, and married in Capelas, 
ilha de São Miguel, on 5 jan 1667 – CCA #8, with Maria da Costa de Arruda 
(RR - chapter 326, 1).

 

Manuel Ferraz married second time with Maria de Morais, widow, in Capelas 
on 11 oct 1691 – CCA #37.

 

He died in Capelas on 2 may 1695.

 

He was the son of Manuel Ferraz (born in Sé, Angra, Terceira, on 23 nov 
1604 – CCA #137)  and Barbara Fialho. They married in Sé, Angra, Terceira, 
on 5 oct 1625 – CCA #166. He was the son of Gaspar Gonçalves (born in 
Angra, Terceira) and Isabel Nunes (born in the island of Faial). She was 
the daughter of João Luiz and Beatriz Tomé.

 

Gaspar Gonçalves, widower, and Isabel Nunes married in Sé, Angra, Terceira, 
on 4 march 1601 – CCA #119. The record doesn´t list the parents.
Manoel

Em segunda-feira, 26 de maio de 2014 23h03min10s UTC-3, Doug da Rocha 
Holmes escreveu:
>
> Hi Herb,
>
> If your line is Ferraz, this might be a connection to Terceira.
> I think it was Manoel Furtado of Brasil who once mentioned a Ferraz 
> ancestor showing up on Sao Miguel.
> Might not be this one, but could be. I think he'll see the message and 
> comment on it.
>
> His line came from Se, Angra (the cathedral in downtown Angra) in the 
> early 1600s, I believe.
>
> Doug da Rocha Holmes
> Sacramento, California
> Pico & Terceira Genealogist
> 916-550-1618
> www.dholmes.com
>
>
>   Original Message 
> Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Parents of Joao Da Costa Ferraz and Antonia
> Francisca
> From: Herb >
> Date: Mon, May 26, 2014 4:12 pm
> To: azo...@googlegroups.com 
>
>
> I'm trying to locate the parents of Joao da Costa Ferraz and Antonia 
> Francisca of Agua de Pau, Sao Miguel
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-AGUADEPAU-C-1809-1832/SMG-LG-AGUADEPAU-C-1809-1832_item1/P78.html.
>   
> Right side
>
> Their son Antonio Jacinto da Costa Ferraz was born 7 Jul 1784 and married 
> Barbara Querobina do Espirito Santo on 10 Feb 1817 in Agua de Pau.   On 
> their marriage record  she was listed as Barbara Querobina do Coracao de 
> Jesus.
>
> Witnesses at this marriage were Antonio Caetano da Silva Lopes and Antonio 
> Jose Tavares
>
> It's possible that Joao's parents were not from Agua de Pau.  I'm 
> thinking maybe they were from  Vila Franca, but I have not been able to 
> find them.  Does anyone have these families?
>
> Herb
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[Herb and Judi Silva]

  Hi Margaret.  Thanks for the information.  Now there's a couple of surnames you don't see everyday huh???, Conigo and Xiote Sousa, right? I will do some more checking. I only knew of two children they had,  Antonio Jacinto and Manuel.  Not aware of a 2nd Antonio Herb On 05/26/14, Margaret Vicente wrote: Herb,I show Joao's parents as Manuel Ferras Conigo and Maria de Santo Amaro Medeiros.Antonia Francisca's surname is Sousa.  She is the daughter of Manuel de Sousa Xiote and Maria de Oliveira. I'm not certain if you have the right child named Antonio for the marriage record because this couple had another Antonio born 23-April-1793.  This Antonio would be 24 years old at time of marriage Jul 7 1784.Check out all the the information here, right side, bottom record:http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-AGUADEPAU-B-1780-1801/SMG-LG-AGUADEPAU-B-1780-1801_item1/P171.htmlMargaretOn Mon, May 26, 2014 at 7:12 PM, Herb  wrote:I'm trying to locate the parents of Joao da Costa Ferraz and Antonia Francisca of Agua de Pau, Sao Miguelhttp://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-AGUADEPAU-C-1809-1832/SMG-LG-AGUADEPAU-C-1809-1832_item1/P78.html.  Right sideTheir son Antonio Jacinto da Costa Ferraz was born 7 Jul 1784 and married Barbara Querobina do Espirito Santo on 10 Feb 1817 in Agua de Pau.   On their marriage record  she was listed as Barbara Querobina do Coracao de Jesus.Witnesses at this marriage were Antonio Caetano da Silva Lopes and Antonio Jose TavaresIt's possible that Joao's parents were not from Agua de Pau.  I'm thinking maybe they were from  Vila Franca, but I have not been able to find them.  Does anyone have these families?Herb-- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."--- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com.Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.-- Margaret M Vicente -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."--- You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group.To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/topic/azores/GC5h8lwvSxE/unsubscribe.To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to azores+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com.Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.



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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Parents of Joao Da Costa Ferraz and Antonia Francisca

[pico]

Yea, I remember we wrote off to the registo civil for that record of your father, I think.I'll look those people up for you. Shouldn't be difficult for someone so recent. I had no idea you have that line.I have seen many a Pico or Terceira famly set up home in Sao Miguel, and of course, visa-versa.I would not be surprised if this Rosa line connects to me...Stay tuned for the answer. :-)Doug da Rocha HolmesSacramento, CaliforniaPico & Terceira Genealogist916-550-1618www.dholmes.com


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Subject: Re: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Parents of Joao Da Costa Ferraz and
Antonia Francisca
From: Herb and Judi Silva <herbandj...@verizon.net>
Date: Mon, May 26, 2014 7:52 pm
To: azores@googlegroups.com

 Hi Doug I do have a line that originated in Terceira,  a Joao de Rosa and Ana Joaquina  of Se, Angra do Heroismo Terceira, who had a son named Antonio  Jose "Terceira" Coelho who was born in Se Parish,  but  married Jacinta Rosa in NS da Conceicao, Ribeira Grande Sao Miguel on 8 July 1798.  I don't have dates for Joao Rosa and Ana Joaquina and CCA has not posted any Ribeira Grande records so it's a bit challenging to do crosschecks and prove lines. I'm hoping to live long enough to actually see those records in the  CCA site. LOL  Antonio Jose "Terceira" Coelho ( is one of my 4th great grandfathers) and Jacinta Rosa had a daughter Luzia Candida who  married Jose Jacinto Rego  on 14 Jan 1839 in Ribeira Grande.  You know how Portuguese people are notorious and unforgiving with use of nicknames, so coming from Terceira to Sao Miguel, he was likely given the nickname of "Terceira". Did the Rosa family move to Sao Miguel from Terceira?  Interesting though that my grandfather moved to Angra in the 1930's from Sao Miguel. Was there a connection there, who knows? Herb On 05/26/14, pico@dholmes.com wrote: Hi Herb,If your line is Ferraz, this might be a connection to Terceira.I think it was Manoel Furtado of Brasil who once mentioned a Ferraz ancestor showing up on Sao Miguel.Might not be this one, but could be. I think he'll see the message and comment on it.His line came from Se, Angra (the cathedral in downtown Angra) in the early 1600s, I believe.Doug da Rocha HolmesSacramento, CaliforniaPico & Terceira Genealogist916-550-1618www.dholmes.com Original Message Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Parents of Joao Da Costa Ferraz and AntoniaFranciscaFrom: Herb <herbandjudi@verizon.net>Date: Mon, May 26, 2014 4:12 pmTo: azores@googlegroups.comI'm trying to locate the parents of Joao da Costa Ferraz and Antonia Francisca of Agua de Pau, Sao Miguelhttp://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-AGUADEPAU-C-1809-1832/SMG-LG-AGUADEPAU-C-1809-1832_item1/P78.html.  Right sideTheir son Antonio Jacinto da Costa Ferraz was born 7 Jul 1784 and married Barbara Querobina do Espirito Santo on 10 Feb 1817 in Agua de Pau.   On their marriage record  she was listed as Barbara Querobina do Coracao de Jesus.Witnesses at this marriage were Antonio Caetano da Silva Lopes and Antonio Jose TavaresIt's possible that Joao's parents were not from Agua de Pau.  I'm thinking maybe they were from  Vila Franca, but I have not been able to find them.  Does anyone have these families?Herb--   





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[Herb and Judi Silva]

 Hi Doug I do have a line that originated in Terceira,  a Joao de Rosa and Ana Joaquina  of Se, Angra do Heroismo Terceira, who had a son named Antonio  Jose "Terceira" Coelho who was born in Se Parish,  but  married Jacinta Rosa in NS da Conceicao, Ribeira Grande Sao Miguel on 8 July 1798.  I don't have dates for Joao Rosa and Ana Joaquina and CCA has not posted any Ribeira Grande records so it's a bit challenging to do crosschecks and prove lines. I'm hoping to live long enough to actually see those records in the  CCA site. LOL  Antonio Jose "Terceira" Coelho ( is one of my 4th great grandfathers) and Jacinta Rosa had a daughter Luzia Candida who  married Jose Jacinto Rego  on 14 Jan 1839 in Ribeira Grande.  You know how Portuguese people are notorious and unforgiving with use of nicknames, so coming from Terceira to Sao Miguel, he was likely given the nickname of "Terceira". Did the Rosa family move to Sao Miguel from Terceira?  Interesting though that my grandfather moved to Angra in the 1930's from Sao Miguel. Was there a connection there, who knows? Herb On 05/26/14, pico@dholmes.com wrote: Hi Herb,If your line is Ferraz, this might be a connection to Terceira.I think it was Manoel Furtado of Brasil who once mentioned a Ferraz ancestor showing up on Sao Miguel.Might not be this one, but could be. I think he'll see the message and comment on it.His line came from Se, Angra (the cathedral in downtown Angra) in the early 1600s, I believe.Doug da Rocha HolmesSacramento, CaliforniaPico & Terceira Genealogist916-550-1618www.dholmes.com Original Message Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Parents of Joao Da Costa Ferraz and AntoniaFranciscaFrom: Herb Date: Mon, May 26, 2014 4:12 pmTo: azores@googlegroups.comI'm trying to locate the parents of Joao da Costa Ferraz and Antonia Francisca of Agua de Pau, Sao Miguelhttp://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-AGUADEPAU-C-1809-1832/SMG-LG-AGUADEPAU-C-1809-1832_item1/P78.html.  Right sideTheir son Antonio Jacinto da Costa Ferraz was born 7 Jul 1784 and married Barbara Querobina do Espirito Santo on 10 Feb 1817 in Agua de Pau.   On their marriage record  she was listed as Barbara Querobina do Coracao de Jesus.Witnesses at this marriage were Antonio Caetano da Silva Lopes and Antonio Jose TavaresIt's possible that Joao's parents were not from Agua de Pau.  I'm thinking maybe they were from  Vila Franca, but I have not been able to find them.  Does anyone have these families?Herb--  -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."--- You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group.To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/topic/azores/GC5h8lwvSxE/unsubscribe.To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to azores+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com.Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.



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[pico]

Hi Herb,If your line is Ferraz, this might be a connection to Terceira.I think it was Manoel Furtado of Brasil who once mentioned a Ferraz ancestor showing up on Sao Miguel.Might not be this one, but could be. I think he'll see the message and comment on it.His line came from Se, Angra (the cathedral in downtown Angra) in the early 1600s, I believe.Doug da Rocha HolmesSacramento, CaliforniaPico & Terceira Genealogist916-550-1618www.dholmes.com


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Date: Mon, May 26, 2014 4:12 pm
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I'm trying to locate the parents of Joao da Costa Ferraz and Antonia Francisca of Agua de Pau, Sao Miguelhttp://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-AGUADEPAU-C-1809-1832/SMG-LG-AGUADEPAU-C-1809-1832_item1/P78.html.  Right sideTheir son Antonio Jacinto da Costa Ferraz was born 7 Jul 1784 and married Barbara Querobina do Espirito Santo on 10 Feb 1817 in Agua de Pau.   On their marriage record  she was listed as Barbara Querobina do Coracao de Jesus.Witnesses at this marriage were Antonio Caetano da Silva Lopes and Antonio Jose TavaresIt's possible that Joao's parents were not from Agua de Pau.  I'm thinking maybe they were from  Vila Franca, but I have not been able to find them.  Does anyone have these families?Herb  --   





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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Parents of Joao Da Costa Ferraz and Antonia Francisca

[Margaret Vicente]

Herb,

I show Joao's parents as Manuel Ferras Conigo and Maria de Santo Amaro
Medeiros.

Antonia Francisca's surname is Sousa.  She is the daughter of Manuel de
Sousa Xiote and Maria de Oliveira.

I'm not certain if you have the right child named Antonio for the marriage
record because this couple had another Antonio born 23-April-1793.  This
Antonio would be 24 years old at time of marriage Jul 7 1784.

Check out all the the information here, right side, bottom record:

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-AGUADEPAU-B-1780-1801/SMG-LG-AGUADEPAU-B-1780-1801_item1/P171.html

Margaret


On Mon, May 26, 2014 at 7:12 PM, Herb  wrote:

>
> I'm trying to locate the parents of Joao da Costa Ferraz and Antonia
> Francisca of Agua de Pau, Sao Miguel
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-AGUADEPAU-C-1809-1832/SMG-LG-AGUADEPAU-C-1809-1832_item1/P78.html.
> Right side
>
> Their son Antonio Jacinto da Costa Ferraz was born 7 Jul 1784 and married
> Barbara Querobina do Espirito Santo on 10 Feb 1817 in Agua de Pau.   On
> their marriage record  she was listed as Barbara Querobina do Coracao de
> Jesus.
>
> Witnesses at this marriage were Antonio Caetano da Silva Lopes and Antonio
> Jose Tavares
>
> It's possible that Joao's parents were not from Agua de Pau.  I'm
> thinking maybe they were from  Vila Franca, but I have not been able to
> find them.  Does anyone have these families?
>
> Herb
>
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