Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Question on Profession "Mestra de meninhos(as)"?

2019-11-15 Thread 'John Raposo' via Azores Genealogy 
 Depending on the time and place (e.g. Bretanha in 1850) state run public 
primary schools were few and far between. So, some people who had some primary 
schooling (e.g. 2nd grade level) would set up a private school in their homes 
and charged tuition. These "mestres" taught the basics, as best they could. 
When official examiners for the state made inspections, they often wrote 
scathing reports about these uncertified teachers whom they classified as 
barely literate. Miguel Soares da Silva's book As Escolas de Santo Antonio e 
Santa Barbara, Nova Grafica, Ponta Delgada: 2008 and "Os Remedios no Contexto 
da Bretanha" in Memoria e Identidade: Paroquia de Nossa Senhora dos Remedios, 
Nova Grafica, Ponta Delgada: 2006, are great references.
I hope this helps.
John Miranda Raposo


   On Friday, November 15, 2019, 3:18:51 PM EST, Ângela Loura 
 wrote:  
 
 I take this opportunity, since some of these terms come all the way from the 
middle ages, to share with you 2 volumes of a book containing the meaning of 
old portuguese words, called Elucidário, it may be useful: http://purl.pt/13944
Cheri Mello  escreveu no dia sexta, 15/11/2019 à(s) 20:10:

So, from an American point-of-view, she was the teacher (or person who mastered 
her craft) of home economics. Interesting terminology from back then,
Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

On Fri, Nov 15, 2019 at 12:07 PM Ângela Loura  wrote:

Mestra was the lady who teached the girls the crafts in order to be good 
housewives. Cooking, sewing, taking care of babies...
Margaret Vicente  escreveu no dia sexta, 15/11/2019 
à(s) 17:21:


“Mestra de Meninas” or currently spoken “Professora de meninas” means “School 
girls Teacher” in the 1800’s schools were segregated by sex.  Mixed classes did 
not exist back then.

 

Margaret v.

 

From: Cheri Mello
Sent: November 15, 2019 12:09 PM
To: Azores Genealogy
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Question on Profession "Mestra de meninhos(as)"?

 

Hi Jessica,

 

Mestre (masculine) or mestra (feminine) means master. Professora is teacher 
(feminine).

 

You'd need to look for another "os" or "as" in the document to figure out if 
it's meninos or meninas. I kinda think it's meninas.

 

So what is a master of the girls? My understanding of a master is someone who 
has mastered something. It could be a trade as well as someone who went to 
school and mastered a subject. I believe the word is also used for a person who 
is in a leadership position as well. The native speakers can shed more light on 
this.

 

My complete wild guess (I've never seen this occupation) is that she's in 
charge of the girls' orphanage. She could also be something like a girls' 
principal. 

 

Native speakers, please let us know what you think!  Cheri

 

 

Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

 

 

On Fri, Nov 15, 2019 at 9:01 AM JML  wrote:


Hi group!

 

For this marriage of Joaquim Machado de Lemos and Maria da Luz. It states that 
the bride's profession was that of a "mestra of children or just girls" I can't 
tell if it's an "as" or "os" for menin_ _. 

 

Does anyone have any knowledge about professions in the 1800's? How much 
schooling would have been acquired at that time to be a mestra? I'm assuming 
mestra means teacher.

 

This is the first profession I have found for a bride, other than "domestica" 
or "costureira" so I am quite intrigued. 

 

Thank you,

 

Jessica

 

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-TERRACHA-C-1870-1879/TER-AH-TERRACHA-C-1870-1879_item1/P77.html

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Question on Profession "Mestra de meninhos(as)"?

2019-11-15 Thread Ângela Loura 
I take this opportunity, since some of these terms come all the way from
the middle ages, to share with you 2 volumes of a book containing the
meaning of old portuguese words, called Elucidário, it may be useful:
http://purl.pt/13944

Cheri Mello  escreveu no dia sexta, 15/11/2019 à(s)
20:10:

> So, from an American point-of-view, she was the teacher (or person who
> mastered her craft) of home economics. Interesting terminology from back
> then,
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
>
> On Fri, Nov 15, 2019 at 12:07 PM Ângela Loura 
> wrote:
>
>> Mestra was the lady who teached the girls the crafts in order to be good
>> housewives. Cooking, sewing, taking care of babies...
>>
>> Margaret Vicente  escreveu no dia sexta,
>> 15/11/2019 à(s) 17:21:
>>
>>> “Mestra de Meninas” or currently spoken “Professora de meninas” means
>>> “School girls Teacher” in the 1800’s schools were segregated by sex.  Mixed
>>> classes did not exist back then.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Margaret v.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From: *Cheri Mello 
>>> *Sent: *November 15, 2019 12:09 PM
>>> *To: *Azores Genealogy 
>>> *Subject: *Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Question on Profession "Mestra de
>>> meninhos(as)"?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi Jessica,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Mestre (masculine) or mestra (feminine) means master. Professora is
>>> teacher (feminine).
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> You'd need to look for another "os" or "as" in the document to figure
>>> out if it's meninos or meninas. I kinda think it's meninas.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> So what is a master of the girls? My understanding of a master is
>>> someone who has mastered something. It could be a trade as well as someone
>>> who went to school and mastered a subject. I believe the word is also used
>>> for a person who is in a leadership position as well. The native speakers
>>> can shed more light on this.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> My complete wild guess (I've never seen this occupation) is that she's
>>> in charge of the girls' orphanage. She could also be something like a
>>> girls' principal.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Native speakers, please let us know what you think!  Cheri
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Cheri Mello
>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira
>>> Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Nov 15, 2019 at 9:01 AM JML  wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi group!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> For this marriage of Joaquim Machado de Lemos and Maria da Luz. It
>>> states that the bride's profession was that of a "mestra of children or
>>> just girls" I can't tell if it's an "as" or "os" for menin_ _.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Does anyone have any knowledge about professions in the 1800's? How much
>>> schooling would have been acquired at that time to be a mestra? I'm
>>> assuming mestra means teacher.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> This is the first profession I have found for a bride, other than
>>> "domestica" or "costureira" so I am quite intrigued.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thank you,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Jessica
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-TERRACHA-C-1870-1879/TER-AH-TERRACHA-C-1870-1879_item1/P77.html
>>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Question on Profession "Mestra de meninhos(as)"?

2019-11-15 Thread Cheri Mello 
So, from an American point-of-view, she was the teacher (or person who
mastered her craft) of home economics. Interesting terminology from back
then,
Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada


On Fri, Nov 15, 2019 at 12:07 PM Ângela Loura  wrote:

> Mestra was the lady who teached the girls the crafts in order to be good
> housewives. Cooking, sewing, taking care of babies...
>
> Margaret Vicente  escreveu no dia sexta,
> 15/11/2019 à(s) 17:21:
>
>> “Mestra de Meninas” or currently spoken “Professora de meninas” means
>> “School girls Teacher” in the 1800’s schools were segregated by sex.  Mixed
>> classes did not exist back then.
>>
>>
>>
>> Margaret v.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From: *Cheri Mello 
>> *Sent: *November 15, 2019 12:09 PM
>> *To: *Azores Genealogy 
>> *Subject: *Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Question on Profession "Mestra de
>> meninhos(as)"?
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi Jessica,
>>
>>
>>
>> Mestre (masculine) or mestra (feminine) means master. Professora is
>> teacher (feminine).
>>
>>
>>
>> You'd need to look for another "os" or "as" in the document to figure out
>> if it's meninos or meninas. I kinda think it's meninas.
>>
>>
>>
>> So what is a master of the girls? My understanding of a master is someone
>> who has mastered something. It could be a trade as well as someone who went
>> to school and mastered a subject. I believe the word is also used for a
>> person who is in a leadership position as well. The native speakers can
>> shed more light on this.
>>
>>
>>
>> My complete wild guess (I've never seen this occupation) is that she's in
>> charge of the girls' orphanage. She could also be something like a girls'
>> principal.
>>
>>
>>
>> Native speakers, please let us know what you think!  Cheri
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Cheri Mello
>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
>> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Nov 15, 2019 at 9:01 AM JML  wrote:
>>
>> Hi group!
>>
>>
>>
>> For this marriage of Joaquim Machado de Lemos and Maria da Luz. It states
>> that the bride's profession was that of a "mestra of children or just
>> girls" I can't tell if it's an "as" or "os" for menin_ _.
>>
>>
>>
>> Does anyone have any knowledge about professions in the 1800's? How much
>> schooling would have been acquired at that time to be a mestra? I'm
>> assuming mestra means teacher.
>>
>>
>>
>> This is the first profession I have found for a bride, other than
>> "domestica" or "costureira" so I am quite intrigued.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thank you,
>>
>>
>>
>> Jessica
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-TERRACHA-C-1870-1879/TER-AH-TERRACHA-C-1870-1879_item1/P77.html
>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Question on Profession "Mestra de meninhos(as)"?

2019-11-15 Thread Ângela Loura 
Mestra was the lady who teached the girls the crafts in order to be good
housewives. Cooking, sewing, taking care of babies...

Margaret Vicente  escreveu no dia sexta,
15/11/2019 à(s) 17:21:

> “Mestra de Meninas” or currently spoken “Professora de meninas” means
> “School girls Teacher” in the 1800’s schools were segregated by sex.  Mixed
> classes did not exist back then.
>
>
>
> Margaret v.
>
>
>
> *From: *Cheri Mello 
> *Sent: *November 15, 2019 12:09 PM
> *To: *Azores Genealogy 
> *Subject: *Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Question on Profession "Mestra de
> meninhos(as)"?
>
>
>
> Hi Jessica,
>
>
>
> Mestre (masculine) or mestra (feminine) means master. Professora is
> teacher (feminine).
>
>
>
> You'd need to look for another "os" or "as" in the document to figure out
> if it's meninos or meninas. I kinda think it's meninas.
>
>
>
> So what is a master of the girls? My understanding of a master is someone
> who has mastered something. It could be a trade as well as someone who went
> to school and mastered a subject. I believe the word is also used for a
> person who is in a leadership position as well. The native speakers can
> shed more light on this.
>
>
>
> My complete wild guess (I've never seen this occupation) is that she's in
> charge of the girls' orphanage. She could also be something like a girls'
> principal.
>
>
>
> Native speakers, please let us know what you think!  Cheri
>
>
>
>
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Nov 15, 2019 at 9:01 AM JML  wrote:
>
> Hi group!
>
>
>
> For this marriage of Joaquim Machado de Lemos and Maria da Luz. It states
> that the bride's profession was that of a "mestra of children or just
> girls" I can't tell if it's an "as" or "os" for menin_ _.
>
>
>
> Does anyone have any knowledge about professions in the 1800's? How much
> schooling would have been acquired at that time to be a mestra? I'm
> assuming mestra means teacher.
>
>
>
> This is the first profession I have found for a bride, other than
> "domestica" or "costureira" so I am quite intrigued.
>
>
>
> Thank you,
>
>
>
> Jessica
>
>
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-TERRACHA-C-1870-1879/TER-AH-TERRACHA-C-1870-1879_item1/P77.html
>
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Question on Profession "Mestra de meninhos(as)"?

2019-11-15 Thread Margaret Vicente 
“Mestra de Meninas” or currently spoken “Professora de meninas” means “School 
girls Teacher” in the 1800’s schools were segregated by sex.  Mixed classes did 
not exist back then.

Margaret v.

From: Cheri Mello
Sent: November 15, 2019 12:09 PM
To: Azores Genealogy
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Question on Profession "Mestra de meninhos(as)"?

Hi Jessica,

Mestre (masculine) or mestra (feminine) means master. Professora is teacher 
(feminine).

You'd need to look for another "os" or "as" in the document to figure out if 
it's meninos or meninas. I kinda think it's meninas.

So what is a master of the girls? My understanding of a master is someone who 
has mastered something. It could be a trade as well as someone who went to 
school and mastered a subject. I believe the word is also used for a person who 
is in a leadership position as well. The native speakers can shed more light on 
this.

My complete wild guess (I've never seen this occupation) is that she's in 
charge of the girls' orphanage. She could also be something like a girls' 
principal. 

Native speakers, please let us know what you think!  Cheri


Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada


On Fri, Nov 15, 2019 at 9:01 AM JML  wrote:
Hi group!

For this marriage of Joaquim Machado de Lemos and Maria da Luz. It states that 
the bride's profession was that of a "mestra of children or just girls" I can't 
tell if it's an "as" or "os" for menin_ _. 

Does anyone have any knowledge about professions in the 1800's? How much 
schooling would have been acquired at that time to be a mestra? I'm assuming 
mestra means teacher.

This is the first profession I have found for a bride, other than "domestica" 
or "costureira" so I am quite intrigued. 

Thank you,

Jessica

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-TERRACHA-C-1870-1879/TER-AH-TERRACHA-C-1870-1879_item1/P77.html
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Question on Profession "Mestra de meninhos (as)"?

2019-11-15 Thread Cheri Mello 
Hi Jessica,

Mestre (masculine) or mestra (feminine) means master. Professora is teacher
(feminine).

You'd need to look for another "os" or "as" in the document to figure out
if it's meninos or meninas. I kinda think it's meninas.

So what is a master of the girls? My understanding of a master is someone
who has mastered something. It could be a trade as well as someone who went
to school and mastered a subject. I believe the word is also used for a
person who is in a leadership position as well. The native speakers can
shed more light on this.

My complete wild guess (I've never seen this occupation) is that she's in
charge of the girls' orphanage. She could also be something like a girls'
principal.

Native speakers, please let us know what you think!  Cheri


Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada


On Fri, Nov 15, 2019 at 9:01 AM JML  wrote:

> Hi group!
>
> For this marriage of Joaquim Machado de Lemos and Maria da Luz. It states
> that the bride's profession was that of a "mestra of children or just
> girls" I can't tell if it's an "as" or "os" for menin_ _.
>
> Does anyone have any knowledge about professions in the 1800's? How much
> schooling would have been acquired at that time to be a mestra? I'm
> assuming mestra means teacher.
>
> This is the first profession I have found for a bride, other than
> "domestica" or "costureira" so I am quite intrigued.
>
> Thank you,
>
> Jessica
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-TERRACHA-C-1870-1879/TER-AH-TERRACHA-C-1870-1879_item1/P77.html
>
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