Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Help with the name of the groom's father.
Will do. Thank you, Cheri. On Tue, Oct 24, 2017 at 6:33 PM, Cheri Mello wrote: > Great! You can get part of the line from Rodrigo Rodrigues. Be sure to > double check it with the images online. He was pretty accurate, but all > humans make mistakes. > > I don't know what you mean by the source "CCA p. 124." If you are citing > the CCA, copy the whole URL and put image ###, page 121 in the book, > accessed Oct. 24, 2017. Leave no question behind about when and where it > was accessed (the CCA has reorganized the images once so far, so the old > ones changed). > > Cheri > > Cheri Mello > Listowner, Azores-Gen > Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, > Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada > > On Tue, Oct 24, 2017 at 5:54 PM, Sandra Perez > wrote: > >> Cheri, >> . >> I found his parents marriage in RR. I have been looking for his birth >> all day. Thank you. >> >> Parent's marriage RR: Venceslau de Medeiros, casado no Faial da Terra a >> 14.3.1779 >> com Francisca de Jesus, filha de Pedro da Fonseca e Quitéria Furtado. CCA >> p.124 >> >> >> >> On Tue, Oct 24, 2017 at 1:02 PM, Cheri Mello wrote: >> >>> Here is your groom's baptism in Faial da Terra at Nossa Senhora da >>> Graça, Francisco on the middle right: >>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PV- >>> FAIALDATERRA-B-1764-1787/SMG-PV-FAIALDATERRA-B-1764-1787_item1/P145.html >>> >>> A little bit better spelling of Venceslao (or however it is spelled). >>> >>> Cheri Mello >>> Listowner, Azores-Gen >>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira >>> Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada >>> >>> On Mon, Oct 23, 2017 at 6:03 PM, Sandra Perez >>> wrote: >>> Thank you, Cheri. On Sun, Oct 22, 2017 at 9:43 PM, Cheri Mello wrote: > You'll have to get Francisco's baptism. Looks like he was from N.S. da > Graça in Faial da Terra. See how that priest spelled his name. > > Cheri Mello > Listowner, Azores-Gen > Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira > Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada > > On Sun, Oct 22, 2017 at 6:15 PM, Sandra Perez < > perezsandra...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Thanks everybody. >> >> On Sun, Oct 22, 2017 at 5:36 PM, Margaret Vicente < >> margaretvice...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> The name as written is: Ovinceslao de Medeiros. The priest didn't >>> know how to spell it properly but you if sound it off you will get it. >>> >>> It is Wenceslao or Venceslao, which Bill already pointed it out. >>> >>> Margaret >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Sun, Oct 22, 2017 at 8:28 PM, wrote: >>> I see the name Vinceslao which I can see on ancestry exists in Portugal and in Spanish-speaking countries. Perhaps what looks like an "O" is either an article or extraneous. Bill -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Margaret M Vicente >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>> send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Sandra Perez >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >> send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send > an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. > -- Sandra Perez -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it,
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Help with the name of the groom's father.
Great! You can get part of the line from Rodrigo Rodrigues. Be sure to double check it with the images online. He was pretty accurate, but all humans make mistakes. I don't know what you mean by the source "CCA p. 124." If you are citing the CCA, copy the whole URL and put image ###, page 121 in the book, accessed Oct. 24, 2017. Leave no question behind about when and where it was accessed (the CCA has reorganized the images once so far, so the old ones changed). Cheri Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada On Tue, Oct 24, 2017 at 5:54 PM, Sandra Perez wrote: > Cheri, > . > I found his parents marriage in RR. I have been looking for his birth all > day. Thank you. > > Parent's marriage RR: Venceslau de Medeiros, casado no Faial da Terra a > 14.3.1779 > com Francisca de Jesus, filha de Pedro da Fonseca e Quitéria Furtado. CCA > p.124 > > > > On Tue, Oct 24, 2017 at 1:02 PM, Cheri Mello wrote: > >> Here is your groom's baptism in Faial da Terra at Nossa Senhora da Graça, >> Francisco on the middle right: >> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PV- >> FAIALDATERRA-B-1764-1787/SMG-PV-FAIALDATERRA-B-1764-1787_item1/P145.html >> >> A little bit better spelling of Venceslao (or however it is spelled). >> >> Cheri Mello >> Listowner, Azores-Gen >> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, >> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada >> >> On Mon, Oct 23, 2017 at 6:03 PM, Sandra Perez >> wrote: >> >>> Thank you, Cheri. >>> >>> On Sun, Oct 22, 2017 at 9:43 PM, Cheri Mello >>> wrote: >>> You'll have to get Francisco's baptism. Looks like he was from N.S. da Graça in Faial da Terra. See how that priest spelled his name. Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada On Sun, Oct 22, 2017 at 6:15 PM, Sandra Perez >>> > wrote: > Thanks everybody. > > On Sun, Oct 22, 2017 at 5:36 PM, Margaret Vicente < > margaretvice...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> The name as written is: Ovinceslao de Medeiros. The priest didn't >> know how to spell it properly but you if sound it off you will get it. >> >> It is Wenceslao or Venceslao, which Bill already pointed it out. >> >> Margaret >> >> >> >> >> On Sun, Oct 22, 2017 at 8:28 PM, wrote: >> >>> I see the name Vinceslao which I can see on ancestry exists in >>> Portugal and in Spanish-speaking countries. Perhaps what looks like an >>> "O" >>> is either an article or extraneous. >>> >>> Bill >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>> send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Margaret M Vicente >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >> send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. >> > > > > -- > Sandra Perez > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send > an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Sandra Perez >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Azores Genealogy" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. >> > > > > -- > Sandra Perez > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Azores Genealogy" group. > To unsubscri
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Help with the name of the groom's father.
Cheri, . I found his parents marriage in RR. I have been looking for his birth all day. Thank you. Parent's marriage RR: Venceslau de Medeiros, casado no Faial da Terra a 14.3.1779 com Francisca de Jesus, filha de Pedro da Fonseca e Quitéria Furtado. CCA p.124 On Tue, Oct 24, 2017 at 1:02 PM, Cheri Mello wrote: > Here is your groom's baptism in Faial da Terra at Nossa Senhora da Graça, > Francisco on the middle right: > http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG- > PV-FAIALDATERRA-B-1764-1787/SMG-PV-FAIALDATERRA-B-1764- > 1787_item1/P145.html > > A little bit better spelling of Venceslao (or however it is spelled). > > Cheri Mello > Listowner, Azores-Gen > Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, > Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada > > On Mon, Oct 23, 2017 at 6:03 PM, Sandra Perez > wrote: > >> Thank you, Cheri. >> >> On Sun, Oct 22, 2017 at 9:43 PM, Cheri Mello wrote: >> >>> You'll have to get Francisco's baptism. Looks like he was from N.S. da >>> Graça in Faial da Terra. See how that priest spelled his name. >>> >>> Cheri Mello >>> Listowner, Azores-Gen >>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira >>> Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada >>> >>> On Sun, Oct 22, 2017 at 6:15 PM, Sandra Perez >>> wrote: >>> Thanks everybody. On Sun, Oct 22, 2017 at 5:36 PM, Margaret Vicente < margaretvice...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi, > > The name as written is: Ovinceslao de Medeiros. The priest didn't > know how to spell it properly but you if sound it off you will get it. > > It is Wenceslao or Venceslao, which Bill already pointed it out. > > Margaret > > > > > On Sun, Oct 22, 2017 at 8:28 PM, wrote: > >> I see the name Vinceslao which I can see on ancestry exists in >> Portugal and in Spanish-speaking countries. Perhaps what looks like an >> "O" >> is either an article or extraneous. >> >> Bill >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >> send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. >> > > > > -- > Margaret M Vicente > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send > an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. > -- Sandra Perez -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Sandra Perez >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Azores Genealogy" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Azores Genealogy" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. > -- Sandra Perez -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Help with the name of the groom's father.
Here is your groom's baptism in Faial da Terra at Nossa Senhora da Graça, Francisco on the middle right: http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PV-FAIALDATERRA-B-1764-1787/SMG-PV-FAIALDATERRA-B-1764-1787_item1/P145.html A little bit better spelling of Venceslao (or however it is spelled). Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada On Mon, Oct 23, 2017 at 6:03 PM, Sandra Perez wrote: > Thank you, Cheri. > > On Sun, Oct 22, 2017 at 9:43 PM, Cheri Mello wrote: > >> You'll have to get Francisco's baptism. Looks like he was from N.S. da >> Graça in Faial da Terra. See how that priest spelled his name. >> >> Cheri Mello >> Listowner, Azores-Gen >> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, >> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada >> >> On Sun, Oct 22, 2017 at 6:15 PM, Sandra Perez >> wrote: >> >>> Thanks everybody. >>> >>> On Sun, Oct 22, 2017 at 5:36 PM, Margaret Vicente < >>> margaretvice...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> Hi, The name as written is: Ovinceslao de Medeiros. The priest didn't know how to spell it properly but you if sound it off you will get it. It is Wenceslao or Venceslao, which Bill already pointed it out. Margaret On Sun, Oct 22, 2017 at 8:28 PM, wrote: > I see the name Vinceslao which I can see on ancestry exists in > Portugal and in Spanish-speaking countries. Perhaps what looks like an > "O" > is either an article or extraneous. > > Bill > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send > an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. > -- Margaret M Vicente -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Sandra Perez >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Azores Genealogy" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. >> > > > > -- > Sandra Perez > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Azores Genealogy" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Help with the name of the groom's father.
Thank you, Cheri. On Sun, Oct 22, 2017 at 9:43 PM, Cheri Mello wrote: > You'll have to get Francisco's baptism. Looks like he was from N.S. da > Graça in Faial da Terra. See how that priest spelled his name. > > Cheri Mello > Listowner, Azores-Gen > Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, > Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada > > On Sun, Oct 22, 2017 at 6:15 PM, Sandra Perez > wrote: > >> Thanks everybody. >> >> On Sun, Oct 22, 2017 at 5:36 PM, Margaret Vicente < >> margaretvice...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> The name as written is: Ovinceslao de Medeiros. The priest didn't know >>> how to spell it properly but you if sound it off you will get it. >>> >>> It is Wenceslao or Venceslao, which Bill already pointed it out. >>> >>> Margaret >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Sun, Oct 22, 2017 at 8:28 PM, wrote: >>> I see the name Vinceslao which I can see on ancestry exists in Portugal and in Spanish-speaking countries. Perhaps what looks like an "O" is either an article or extraneous. Bill -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Margaret M Vicente >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Sandra Perez >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Azores Genealogy" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Azores Genealogy" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. > -- Sandra Perez -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Help with the name of the groom's father.
You'll have to get Francisco's baptism. Looks like he was from N.S. da Graça in Faial da Terra. See how that priest spelled his name. Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada On Sun, Oct 22, 2017 at 6:15 PM, Sandra Perez wrote: > Thanks everybody. > > On Sun, Oct 22, 2017 at 5:36 PM, Margaret Vicente < > margaretvice...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> The name as written is: Ovinceslao de Medeiros. The priest didn't know >> how to spell it properly but you if sound it off you will get it. >> >> It is Wenceslao or Venceslao, which Bill already pointed it out. >> >> Margaret >> >> >> >> >> On Sun, Oct 22, 2017 at 8:28 PM, wrote: >> >>> I see the name Vinceslao which I can see on ancestry exists in Portugal >>> and in Spanish-speaking countries. Perhaps what looks like an "O" is >>> either an article or extraneous. >>> >>> Bill >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Margaret M Vicente >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Azores Genealogy" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. >> > > > > -- > Sandra Perez > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Azores Genealogy" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Help with the name of the groom's father.
Thanks everybody. On Sun, Oct 22, 2017 at 5:36 PM, Margaret Vicente wrote: > Hi, > > The name as written is: Ovinceslao de Medeiros. The priest didn't know > how to spell it properly but you if sound it off you will get it. > > It is Wenceslao or Venceslao, which Bill already pointed it out. > > Margaret > > > > > On Sun, Oct 22, 2017 at 8:28 PM, wrote: > >> I see the name Vinceslao which I can see on ancestry exists in Portugal >> and in Spanish-speaking countries. Perhaps what looks like an "O" is >> either an article or extraneous. >> >> Bill >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Azores Genealogy" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. >> > > > > -- > Margaret M Vicente > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Azores Genealogy" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. > -- Sandra Perez -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Help with the name of the groom's father.
Hi, The name as written is: Ovinceslao de Medeiros. The priest didn't know how to spell it properly but you if sound it off you will get it. It is Wenceslao or Venceslao, which Bill already pointed it out. Margaret On Sun, Oct 22, 2017 at 8:28 PM, wrote: > I see the name Vinceslao which I can see on ancestry exists in Portugal > and in Spanish-speaking countries. Perhaps what looks like an "O" is > either an article or extraneous. > > Bill > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Azores Genealogy" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. > -- Margaret M Vicente -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
