Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Sebastiao Vieira-Help with Grandparents names

2012-10-31 Thread Shirley Allegre
The women didn't have surnames during that time period.

Shirley in CA
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  Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Sebastiao Vieira-Help with Grandparents names


  Thank you both Marcio and Shirley..Very much appreciated.


  Do either of you have any idea why it is that the further back you go in the 
records it seems they don't list the maiden names of either the mother or 
grandmothers? I seem to be encountering this problem a lot.





  On Monday, October 29, 2012 11:17:37 PM UTC-4, Adrian Martins wrote:
I need some help deciphering the maternal and paternal grandparents of 
Sebastiao Vieira- Filho to Andre Vieira  Maria Joaquina


They are hard to read and I did my best trying to figure them out. Below is 
what i came up with...


Paternal side - Caitone Vieira  Margarida Agundao or Alunaio?? 


Maternal side - Raymundo Borges/joseph?   Francisca Maria


Any help would be appreciated



Thanks.


Link below.




http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-PV-QUATRORIBEIRAS-B-1784-1815/TER-PV-QUATRORIBEIRAS-B-1784-1815_item1/P86.html


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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Sebastiao Vieira-Help with Grandparents names

2012-10-30 Thread Cheri Mello
Adrian,

There are 3 time periods of records.  I'm doing this off the top of my
head, so the dates are approximate.

1st period: 1600s-1700s: The women are listed with surnames
2nd period: 1800s: The women are listed with their middle religious names
only
3rd period:  The women have surnames.

The records also vary in the information that they contain for the 3 time
periods.  I'll see if I can find the thread and send you a link.
Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas,
Achada

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Sebastiao Vieira-Help with Grandparents names

2012-10-30 Thread Cheri Mello
I found it: http://goo.gl/Q2wJ2
It lists the 3 time periods for births, marriages, and deaths and what can
be found.

Cheri Mello
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Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas,
Achada

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Sebastiao Vieira-Help with Grandparents names

2012-10-30 Thread Adrian Martins
Thanks very much Cheri..I'll have a look. So much great info you have 
accumulated Cheri..really amazing!
Last question for the night once you encounter a middle religious name 
instead of a maiden/surname is the search over in that person's tree? im 
not sure how you would trace that person back.

Thnxs.
A.

On Tuesday, October 30, 2012 9:22:14 PM UTC-4, Cheri Mello wrote:

 I found it: http://goo.gl/Q2wJ2
 It lists the 3 time periods for births, marriages, and deaths and what can 
 be found.

 Cheri Mello
 Listowner, Azores-Gen
 Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das 
 Tainhas, Achada


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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Sebastiao Vieira-Help with Grandparents names

2012-10-30 Thread Cheri Mello
Adrian,

No, if you find a baptism that says the baby was born to Manuel Martins and
Maria da Gloria, you go and find Manuel  Maria's marriage.  It will say
Manuel was the son of A  B and that Maria da Gloria was the daughter of X
 Y.

It's a kind of weird thing that us Portuguese genealogists have to get used
to - the time period of women with no last name.
Cheri Mello
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Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas,
Achada

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