Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Translation help - Mathias Calvo 1731 Ajuda de Bretanha

2016-09-11 Thread Joanne Mercier
Thanks - looks like I’ll need it! J


On September 11, 2016 at 9:43:03 AM, 'John Raposo' via Azores Genealogy (
azores@googlegroups.com) wrote:

Joanne,

Keep in mind that Calvo(a) may be a nickname (alcunha). Calvo/a means bald.
There are also lots of unconnected Calvos is Bretanha.
Good luck!

John


On Sunday, September 11, 2016 9:10 AM, Joanne Mercier <
musicmavene...@gmail.com> wrote:


Thank you so much, John, for all the information. I may order the index
because I have two direct lines that run through Bretanha and it might help
me clear up some name issues. Calvo becomes de Medeiros with Mathias on his
marriage entry but from what you’ve provided me the name goes further back
in the family. The “name game” is certainly playing itself out in my tree!

Thanks again!
Joanne


On September 11, 2016 at 7:10:54 AM, 'John Raposo' via Azores Genealogy (
azores@googlegroups.com) wrote:

I have never seen it there but if you find that it is, please let us know.

You are up early!
Have a great day.

John


On Saturday, September 10, 2016 10:21 PM, Richard Francis Pimentel
 wrote:


*John is that index on CCA?*

*Rick*

*From:* 'John Raposo' via Azores Genealogy [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com
]
*Sent:* Saturday, September 10, 2016 6:18 PM
*To:* azores@googlegroups.com
*Subject:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Translation help - Mathias Calvo 1731
Ajuda de Bretanha

I do not know if Andre is Antonio's father. Before 1703 the records for
Bretanha no longer exist. All that we have is an index, with many gaps, put
together by a vicar in 1723, of the deteriorating registers he found in
Bretanha when he arrived. Many records had already been lost, some were
partially obliterated, and as I said, there were many gaps. I have had some
luck connecting many lines back to the 16th century using that index, but I
also have my share of Bretanha dead ends.

On Saturday, September 10, 2016 5:22 PM, Joanne Mercier <
musicmavene...@gmail.com> wrote:

John — is Andre the father of Antonio? And how and when did the de Medeiros
name get involved? Mathias and Antonio are my 4GG and 5GG respectively and
I’d like to trace things back further.

Thanks!
Joanne


On September 10, 2016 at 5:04:56 PM, 'John Raposo' via Azores Genealogy (
azores@googlegroups.com) wrote:
Andre Calvo died in Bretanha on 9 Mar 1768. He appears to have been married
3 times: Luzia de Sousa; they had children as early as 1710. Maria de
Aguiar on 20 June 1742 and she died Valentines Day 1744. His last wife was
Francisca Soares whom he married in Brteanha on 21 May 1744.


On Saturday, September 10, 2016 4:27 PM, Joanne Mercier <
musicmavene...@gmail.com> wrote:

Alvares! I suspected it might be something like that but I have a problem
understanding some of the older abbreviations. Thanks to all, particularly
Margaret, for your assistance!

Question — any chance Andre Calvo and Luiza de Sousa might be the
grandparents as well? Does anyone have this family in their tree?

Thanks again!
Joanne



On September 10, 2016 at 1:18:25 PM, linda (menesesli...@gmail.com) wrote:

Now I see Alvres too :)

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Translation help - Mathias Calvo 1731 Ajuda de Bretanha

2016-09-11 Thread 'John Raposo' via Azores Genealogy
Joanne, 

Keep in mind that Calvo(a) may be a nickname (alcunha). Calvo/a means bald. 
There are also lots of unconnected Calvos is Bretanha. 
Good luck!
John
 

On Sunday, September 11, 2016 9:10 AM, Joanne Mercier 
 wrote:
 

 #yiv9768831666 body{font-family:Helvetica, Arial;font-size:13px;}Thank you so 
much, John, for all the information. I may order the index because I have two 
direct lines that run through Bretanha and it might help me clear up some name 
issues. Calvo becomes de Medeiros with Mathias on his marriage entry but from 
what you’ve provided me the name goes further back in the family. The “name 
game” is certainly playing itself out in my tree!
Thanks again!Joanne 
  
On September 11, 2016 at 7:10:54 AM, 'John Raposo' via Azores Genealogy 
(azores@googlegroups.com) wrote: 

I have never seen it there but if you find that it is, pleaselet us know.
You are up early!Have a great day.
John


On Saturday, September10, 2016 10:21 PM, Richard Francis 
Pimentel wrote:


John is thatindex on CCA? Rick From: 'John Raposo' via Azores Genealogy 
[mailto:azores@googlegroups.com]
Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2016 6:18 PM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Translation help - MathiasCalvo 1731 Ajuda de 
Bretanha I do not know if Andre is Antonio'sfather. Before 1703 the records for 
Bretanha no longer exist. Allthat we have is an index, with many gaps, put 
together by a vicarin 1723, of the deteriorating registers he found in Bretanha 
whenhe arrived. Many records had already been lost, some were 
partiallyobliterated, and as I said, there were many gaps. I have had someluck 
connecting many lines back to the 16th century using thatindex, but I also have 
my share of Bretanha dead ends. On Saturday, September 10, 20165:22 PM, Joanne 
Mercier  wrote: John — is Andre the father ofAntonio? 
And how and when did the de Medeiros name get involved?Mathias and Antonio are 
my 4GG and 5GG respectively and I’d like totrace things back further.  
Thanks!Joanne  On September 10, 2016 at 5:04:56 PM, 'John Raposo'via Azores 
Genealogy (azores@googlegroups.com)wrote:Andre Calvo died in Bretanha on 9Mar 
1768. He appears to have been married 3 times: Luzia de Sousa;they had children 
as early as 1710. Maria de Aguiar on 20 June 1742and she died Valentines Day 
1744. His last wife was FranciscaSoares whom he married in Brteanha on 21 May 
1744.  On Saturday, September 10, 20164:27 PM, Joanne Mercier 
 wrote: Alvares! I suspected it might besomething 
like that but I have a problem understanding some of theolder abbreviations. 
Thanks to all, particularly Margaret, for yourassistance! Question — any chance 
Andre Calvoand Luiza de Sousa might be the grandparents as well? Does 
anyonehave this family in their tree?  Thanks again!JoanneOn September 10, 
2016 at 1:18:25 PM, linda(menesesli...@gmail.com)wrote:
Now I see Alvres too :)

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Translation help - Mathias Calvo 1731 Ajuda de Bretanha

2016-09-11 Thread Joanne Mercier
Thank you so much, John, for all the information. I may order the index
because I have two direct lines that run through Bretanha and it might help
me clear up some name issues. Calvo becomes de Medeiros with Mathias on his
marriage entry but from what you’ve provided me the name goes further back
in the family. The “name game” is certainly playing itself out in my tree!

Thanks again!
Joanne


On September 11, 2016 at 7:10:54 AM, 'John Raposo' via Azores Genealogy (
azores@googlegroups.com) wrote:

I have never seen it there but if you find that it is, please let us know.

You are up early!
Have a great day.

John


On Saturday, September 10, 2016 10:21 PM, Richard Francis Pimentel
 wrote:


*John is that index on CCA?*

*Rick*

*From:* 'John Raposo' via Azores Genealogy [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com
]
*Sent:* Saturday, September 10, 2016 6:18 PM
*To:* azores@googlegroups.com
*Subject:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Translation help - Mathias Calvo 1731
Ajuda de Bretanha

I do not know if Andre is Antonio's father. Before 1703 the records for
Bretanha no longer exist. All that we have is an index, with many gaps, put
together by a vicar in 1723, of the deteriorating registers he found in
Bretanha when he arrived. Many records had already been lost, some were
partially obliterated, and as I said, there were many gaps. I have had some
luck connecting many lines back to the 16th century using that index, but I
also have my share of Bretanha dead ends.

On Saturday, September 10, 2016 5:22 PM, Joanne Mercier <
musicmavene...@gmail.com> wrote:

John — is Andre the father of Antonio? And how and when did the de Medeiros
name get involved? Mathias and Antonio are my 4GG and 5GG respectively and
I’d like to trace things back further.

Thanks!
Joanne


On September 10, 2016 at 5:04:56 PM, 'John Raposo' via Azores Genealogy (
azores@googlegroups.com) wrote:
Andre Calvo died in Bretanha on 9 Mar 1768. He appears to have been married
3 times: Luzia de Sousa; they had children as early as 1710. Maria de
Aguiar on 20 June 1742 and she died Valentines Day 1744. His last wife was
Francisca Soares whom he married in Brteanha on 21 May 1744.


On Saturday, September 10, 2016 4:27 PM, Joanne Mercier <
musicmavene...@gmail.com> wrote:

Alvares! I suspected it might be something like that but I have a problem
understanding some of the older abbreviations. Thanks to all, particularly
Margaret, for your assistance!

Question — any chance Andre Calvo and Luiza de Sousa might be the
grandparents as well? Does anyone have this family in their tree?

Thanks again!
Joanne



On September 10, 2016 at 1:18:25 PM, linda (menesesli...@gmail.com) wrote:

Now I see Alvres too :)

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Translation help - Mathias Calvo 1731 Ajuda de Bretanha

2016-09-11 Thread mances
I descend from Águeda Calvo daughter of Sebastião Fernandes Moreno and 
Beatriz Calvo from Bretanha.
Águeda married Manuel Martins in Santo Antonio on 28 feb 1641. Manuel was 
the son of Bartolomeu Roiz and Isabel Martins from Santo Antonio.

Águeda and Manuel were the parents of Pedro Martins Calvo baptized in São 
José, Ponta Delgada, and married in São Roque with Maria de Oliveira.
They are the ancestors of my 4th grandfather Manuel Machado from São Roque.

Manoel César Furtado

Em domingo, 11 de setembro de 2016 08:09:17 UTC-3, John Raposo escreveu:
>
> You can probably order it from the Archives in Ponta Delgada. It is called 
> *"TERMOS DOS CASADOS E BATIZADOS DA BRETANHA *que estavam num livro velho 
> e foram feitos pelo Vigário André de Sousa Dias no ano de 1727." It is 
> several pages long and has not been typed up. The Vicar's penmanship is not 
> the worst I have seen. 
>
> I did check my copy. Your Antonio and Andre are not in the baptisms or 
> marriages. There are several Calvos going back to ANDRÉ CALVO, son of 
> Sebastião Fernandes Moreno and Beatriz Calva, married in Bretanha on 3 Apr 
> 1640 to MARIA GONÇALVES, daughter of Filipe Gonçalves Ana de Medeiros. The 
> couple was related in the 4th degree of consanguinity. 
>
> The first marriage recorded in the index was in 1569; the first recorded 
> baptism was in 1606.
>
> John Miranda Raposo
>
>
> On Saturday, September 10, 2016 7:34 PM, Joanne Mercier <
> musicma...@gmail.com > wrote:
>
>
> John, where can I find that index? Maybe it can be of help to me as well. 
> I’ll give anything a try once! ;)
>
>
> On September 10, 2016 at 6:18:03 PM, 'John Raposo' via Azores Genealogy (
> azo...@googlegroups.com ) wrote:
>
> I do not know if Andre is Antonio's father. Before 1703 the records for 
> Bretanha no longer exist. All that we have is an index, with many gaps, put 
> together by a vicar in 1723, of the deteriorating registers he found in 
> Bretanha when he arrived. Many records had already been lost, some were 
> partially obliterated, and as I said, there were many gaps. I have had some 
> luck connecting many lines back to the 16th century using that index, but I 
> also have my share of Bretanha dead ends.
>
>
> On Saturday, September 10, 2016 5:22 PM, Joanne Mercier <
> musicma...@gmail.com > wrote:
>
>
> John — is Andre the father of Antonio? And how and when did the de 
> Medeiros name get involved? Mathias and Antonio are my 4GG and 5GG 
> respectively and I’d like to trace things back further. 
>
> Thanks!
> Joanne
>
>
> On September 10, 2016 at 5:04:56 PM, 'John Raposo' via Azores Genealogy (
> azo...@googlegroups.com ) wrote:
>
> Andre Calvo died in Bretanha on 9 Mar 1768. He appears to have been 
> married 3 times: Luzia de Sousa; they had children as early as 1710. Maria 
> de Aguiar on 20 June 1742 and she died Valentines Day 1744. His last wife 
> was Francisca Soares whom he married in Brteanha on 21 May 1744.
>
>
>
> On Saturday, September 10, 2016 4:27 PM, Joanne Mercier <
> musicma...@gmail.com > wrote:
>
>
> Alvares! I suspected it might be something like that but I have a problem 
> understanding some of the older abbreviations. Thanks to all, particularly 
> Margaret, for your assistance!
>
> Question — any chance Andre Calvo and Luiza de Sousa might be the 
> grandparents as well? Does anyone have this family in their tree? 
>
> Thanks again!
> Joanne 
>  
>
>
>
>

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Translation help - Mathias Calvo 1731 Ajuda de Bretanha

2016-09-11 Thread 'John Raposo' via Azores Genealogy
I have never seen it there but if you find that it is, please let us know.
You are up early!Have a great day.
John
 

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that index on CCA?  Rick  From: 'John Raposo' via Azores Genealogy 
[mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] 
Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2016 6:18 PM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Translation help - Mathias Calvo 1731 Ajuda de 
Bretanha  I do not know if Andre is Antonio's father. Before 1703 the records 
for Bretanha no longer exist. All that we have is an index, with many gaps, put 
together by a vicar in 1723, of the deteriorating registers he found in 
Bretanha when he arrived. Many records had already been lost, some were 
partially obliterated, and as I said, there were many gaps. I have had some 
luck connecting many lines back to the 16th century using that index, but I 
also have my share of Bretanha dead ends.  On Saturday, September 10, 2016 5:22 
PM, Joanne Mercier  wrote:  John — is Andre the 
father of Antonio? And how and when did the de Medeiros name get involved? 
Mathias and Antonio are my 4GG and 5GG respectively and I’d like to trace 
things back further.   Thanks!Joanne    On September 10, 2016 at 5:04:56 PM, 
'John Raposo' via Azores Genealogy (azores@googlegroups.com) wrote:Andre Calvo 
died in Bretanha on 9 Mar 1768. He appears to have been married 3 times: Luzia 
de Sousa; they had children as early as 1710. Maria de Aguiar on 20 June 1742 
and she died Valentines Day 1744. His last wife was Francisca Soares whom he 
married in Brteanha on 21 May 1744.    On Saturday, September 10, 2016 4:27 PM, 
Joanne Mercier  wrote:  Alvares! I suspected it might 
be something like that but I have a problem understanding some of the older 
abbreviations. Thanks to all, particularly Margaret, for your assistance!  
Question — any chance Andre Calvo and Luiza de Sousa might be the grandparents 
as well? Does anyone have this family in their tree?   Thanks again!Joanne      
On September 10, 2016 at 1:18:25 PM, linda (menesesli...@gmail.com) wrote:
Now I see Alvres too :)

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Translation help - Mathias Calvo 1731 Ajuda de Bretanha

2016-09-11 Thread 'John Raposo' via Azores Genealogy
You can probably order it from the Archives in Ponta Delgada. It is called 
"TERMOSDOS CASADOS E BATIZADOS DABRETANHA que estavam num livro velho e foram 
feitos pelo Vigário André de Sousa Dias no anode 1727." It is several pages 
long and has not been typed up. The Vicar's penmanship is not the worst I have 
seen. 

I did check my copy. Your Antonio and Andre are not in the baptisms or 
marriages. There are several Calvos going back to ANDRÉ CALVO, son of 
SebastiãoFernandes Moreno and Beatriz Calva, married in Bretanha on 3 Apr 1640 
to MARIA GONÇALVES, daughter of FilipeGonçalves Ana de Medeiros. The couple was 
related in the 4th degree of consanguinity. 

The first marriage recorded in the index was in 1569; the first recorded 
baptism was in 1606.

John Miranda Raposo


On Saturday, September 10, 2016 7:34 PM, Joanne Mercier 
 wrote:
 

 #yiv9588385096 body{font-family:Helvetica, Arial;font-size:13px;}John, where 
can I find that index? Maybe it can be of help to me as well. I’ll give 
anything a try once! ;) 
  
On September 10, 2016 at 6:18:03 PM, 'John Raposo' via Azores Genealogy 
(azores@googlegroups.com) wrote: 

I do not know if Andre is Antonio's father. Before 1703 the recordsfor Bretanha 
no longer exist. All that we have is an index, withmany gaps, put together by a 
vicar in 1723, of the deterioratingregisters he found in Bretanha when he 
arrived. Many records hadalready been lost, some were partially obliterated, 
and as I said,there were many gaps. I have had some luck connecting many 
linesback to the 16th century using that index, but I also have my shareof 
Bretanha dead ends.


On Saturday, September10, 2016 5:22 PM, Joanne Mercier 
wrote:


John — isAndre the father of Antonio? And how and when did the de Medeirosname 
get involved? Mathias and Antonio are my 4GG and 5GGrespectively and I’d like 
to trace things back further. 
Thanks!Joanne

On September 10, 2016 at5:04:56 PM, 'John Raposo' via Azores Genealogy 
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Andre Calvodied in Bretanha on 9 Mar 1768. He appears to have been married 
3times: Luzia de Sousa; they had children as early as 1710. Maria deAguiar on 
20 June 1742 and she died Valentines Day 1744. His lastwife was Francisca 
Soares whom he married in Brteanha on 21 May1744.



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Question— any chance Andre Calvo and Luiza de Sousa might be thegrandparents as 
well? Does anyone have this family in theirtree? 
Thanksagain!Joanne  

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Translation help - Mathias Calvo 1731 Ajuda de Bretanha

2016-09-10 Thread Joanne Mercier
I looked there, Rick, but I did not see it.

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> *John is that index on CCA?*
>
>
>
> *Rick*
>
>
>
> *From:* 'John Raposo' via Azores Genealogy [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com
> ]
> *Sent:* Saturday, September 10, 2016 6:18 PM
> *To:* azores@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Translation help - Mathias Calvo 1731
> Ajuda de Bretanha
>
>
>
> I do not know if Andre is Antonio's father. Before 1703 the records for
> Bretanha no longer exist. All that we have is an index, with many gaps, put
> together by a vicar in 1723, of the deteriorating registers he found in
> Bretanha when he arrived. Many records had already been lost, some were
> partially obliterated, and as I said, there were many gaps. I have had some
> luck connecting many lines back to the 16th century using that index, but I
> also have my share of Bretanha dead ends.
>
>
>
> On Saturday, September 10, 2016 5:22 PM, Joanne Mercier <
> musicmavene...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> John — is Andre the father of Antonio? And how and when did the de
> Medeiros name get involved? Mathias and Antonio are my 4GG and 5GG
> respectively and I’d like to trace things back further.
>
>
>
> Thanks!
>
> Joanne
>
>
>
>
>
> On September 10, 2016 at 5:04:56 PM, 'John Raposo' via Azores Genealogy (
> azores@googlegroups.com) wrote:
>
> Andre Calvo died in Bretanha on 9 Mar 1768. He appears to have been
> married 3 times: Luzia de Sousa; they had children as early as 1710. Maria
> de Aguiar on 20 June 1742 and she died Valentines Day 1744. His last wife
> was Francisca Soares whom he married in Brteanha on 21 May 1744.
>
>
>
>
>
> On Saturday, September 10, 2016 4:27 PM, Joanne Mercier <
> musicmavene...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> Alvares! I suspected it might be something like that but I have a problem
> understanding some of the older abbreviations. Thanks to all, particularly
> Margaret, for your assistance!
>
>
>
> Question — any chance Andre Calvo and Luiza de Sousa might be the
> grandparents as well? Does anyone have this family in their tree?
>
>
>
> Thanks again!
>
> Joanne
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On September 10, 2016 at 1:18:25 PM, linda (menesesli...@gmail.com) wrote:
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Translation help - Mathias Calvo 1731 Ajuda de Bretanha

2016-09-10 Thread Richard Francis Pimentel
John is that index on CCA?

 

Rick

 

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Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2016 6:18 PM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Translation help - Mathias Calvo 1731 Ajuda de 
Bretanha

 

I do not know if Andre is Antonio's father. Before 1703 the records for 
Bretanha no longer exist. All that we have is an index, with many gaps, put 
together by a vicar in 1723, of the deteriorating registers he found in 
Bretanha when he arrived. Many records had already been lost, some were 
partially obliterated, and as I said, there were many gaps. I have had some 
luck connecting many lines back to the 16th century using that index, but I 
also have my share of Bretanha dead ends.

 

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<mailto:musicmavene...@gmail.com> musicmavene...@gmail.com> wrote:

 

John — is Andre the father of Antonio? And how and when did the de Medeiros 
name get involved? Mathias and Antonio are my 4GG and 5GG respectively and I’d 
like to trace things back further. 

 

Thanks!

Joanne

 

 

On September 10, 2016 at 5:04:56 PM, 'John Raposo' via Azores Genealogy ( 
<mailto:azores@googlegroups.com> azores@googlegroups.com) wrote:

Andre Calvo died in Bretanha on 9 Mar 1768. He appears to have been married 3 
times: Luzia de Sousa; they had children as early as 1710. Maria de Aguiar on 
20 June 1742 and she died Valentines Day 1744. His last wife was Francisca 
Soares whom he married in Brteanha on 21 May 1744.

 

 

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<mailto:musicmavene...@gmail.com> musicmavene...@gmail.com> wrote:

 

Alvares! I suspected it might be something like that but I have a problem 
understanding some of the older abbreviations. Thanks to all, particularly 
Margaret, for your assistance!

 

Question — any chance Andre Calvo and Luiza de Sousa might be the grandparents 
as well? Does anyone have this family in their tree? 

 

Thanks again!

Joanne 

 

 

 

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Translation help - Mathias Calvo 1731 Ajuda de Bretanha

2016-09-10 Thread Joanne Mercier
John, where can I find that index? Maybe it can be of help to me as well.
I’ll give anything a try once! ;)


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azores@googlegroups.com) wrote:

I do not know if Andre is Antonio's father. Before 1703 the records for
Bretanha no longer exist. All that we have is an index, with many gaps, put
together by a vicar in 1723, of the deteriorating registers he found in
Bretanha when he arrived. Many records had already been lost, some were
partially obliterated, and as I said, there were many gaps. I have had some
luck connecting many lines back to the 16th century using that index, but I
also have my share of Bretanha dead ends.


On Saturday, September 10, 2016 5:22 PM, Joanne Mercier <
musicmavene...@gmail.com> wrote:


John — is Andre the father of Antonio? And how and when did the de Medeiros
name get involved? Mathias and Antonio are my 4GG and 5GG respectively and
I’d like to trace things back further.

Thanks!
Joanne


On September 10, 2016 at 5:04:56 PM, 'John Raposo' via Azores Genealogy (
azores@googlegroups.com) wrote:

Andre Calvo died in Bretanha on 9 Mar 1768. He appears to have been married
3 times: Luzia de Sousa; they had children as early as 1710. Maria de
Aguiar on 20 June 1742 and she died Valentines Day 1744. His last wife was
Francisca Soares whom he married in Brteanha on 21 May 1744.



On Saturday, September 10, 2016 4:27 PM, Joanne Mercier <
musicmavene...@gmail.com> wrote:


Alvares! I suspected it might be something like that but I have a problem
understanding some of the older abbreviations. Thanks to all, particularly
Margaret, for your assistance!

Question — any chance Andre Calvo and Luiza de Sousa might be the
grandparents as well? Does anyone have this family in their tree?

Thanks again!
Joanne



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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Translation help - Mathias Calvo 1731 Ajuda de Bretanha

2016-09-10 Thread 'John Raposo' via Azores Genealogy
I do not know if Andre is Antonio's father. Before 1703 the records for 
Bretanha no longer exist. All that we have is an index, with many gaps, put 
together by a vicar in 1723, of the deteriorating registers he found in 
Bretanha when he arrived. Many records had already been lost, some were 
partially obliterated, and as I said, there were many gaps. I have had some 
luck connecting many lines back to the 16th century using that index, but I 
also have my share of Bretanha dead ends.
 

On Saturday, September 10, 2016 5:22 PM, Joanne Mercier 
 wrote:
 

 #yiv8192687721 body{font-family:Helvetica, Arial;font-size:13px;}John — is 
Andre the father of Antonio? And how and when did the de Medeiros name get 
involved? Mathias and Antonio are my 4GG and 5GG respectively and I’d like to 
trace things back further. 
Thanks!Joanne 
  
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(azores@googlegroups.com) wrote: 

AndreCalvo died in Bretanha on 9 Mar 1768. He appears to have beenmarried 3 
times: Luzia de Sousa; they had children as early as1710. Maria de Aguiar on 20 
June 1742 and she died Valentines Day1744. His last wife was Francisca Soares 
whom he married inBrteanha on 21 May 1744.



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Alvares!I suspected it might be something like that but I have a 
problemunderstanding some of the older abbreviations. Thanks to 
all,particularly Margaret, for your assistance!
Question— any chance Andre Calvo and Luiza de Sousa might be thegrandparents as 
well? Does anyone have this family in theirtree? 
Thanksagain!Joanne  

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Translation help - Mathias Calvo 1731 Ajuda de Bretanha

2016-09-10 Thread Joanne Mercier
John — is Andre the father of Antonio? And how and when did the de Medeiros
name get involved? Mathias and Antonio are my 4GG and 5GG respectively and
I’d like to trace things back further.

Thanks!
Joanne


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Andre Calvo died in Bretanha on 9 Mar 1768. He appears to have been married
3 times: Luzia de Sousa; they had children as early as 1710. Maria de
Aguiar on 20 June 1742 and she died Valentines Day 1744. His last wife was
Francisca Soares whom he married in Brteanha on 21 May 1744.



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Alvares! I suspected it might be something like that but I have a problem
understanding some of the older abbreviations. Thanks to all, particularly
Margaret, for your assistance!

Question — any chance Andre Calvo and Luiza de Sousa might be the
grandparents as well? Does anyone have this family in their tree?

Thanks again!
Joanne



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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Translation help - Mathias Calvo 1731 Ajuda de Bretanha

2016-09-10 Thread 'John Raposo' via Azores Genealogy
Andre Calvo died in Bretanha on 9 Mar 1768. He appears to have been married 3 
times: Luzia de Sousa; they had children as early as 1710. Maria de Aguiar on 
20 June 1742 and she died Valentines Day 1744. His last wife was Francisca 
Soares whom he married in Brteanha on 21 May 1744. 

 

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 #yiv2388682533 body{font-family:Helvetica, Arial;font-size:13px;}Alvares! I 
suspected it might be something like that but I have a problem understanding 
some of the older abbreviations. Thanks to all, particularly Margaret, for your 
assistance!
Question — any chance Andre Calvo and Luiza de Sousa might be the grandparents 
as well? Does anyone have this family in their tree? 
Thanks again!Joanne   
  
On September 10, 2016 at 1:18:25 PM, linda (menesesli...@gmail.com) wrote: 
Now I see Alvres too :)

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Translation help - Mathias Calvo 1731 Ajuda de Bretanha

2016-09-10 Thread Joanne Mercier
Alvares! I suspected it might be something like that but I have a problem
understanding some of the older abbreviations. Thanks to all, particularly
Margaret, for your assistance!

Question — any chance Andre Calvo and Luiza de Sousa might be the
grandparents as well? Does anyone have this family in their tree?

Thanks again!
Joanne



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Now I see Alvres too :)

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Translation help - Mathias Calvo 1731 Ajuda de Bretanha

2016-09-10 Thread linda
Now I see Alvres too :)

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Translation help - Mathias Calvo 1731 Ajuda de Bretanha

2016-09-10 Thread Margaret Vicente
Hi Joanne,

Not certain if you have your answers.  Here's my take:

Mathias (Matias) son of Antonio Alvres (Alvares) Calvo and Victoria
(Vitoria) de Aquiar.  Bron on the 21st day of the month of December of 1738
and baptised in this Parish of his parents where they are naturally from on
the 26th day of the same month and year, by me Andre de Sousa Dias, Vicar
of the same.  Goparents Mathias (Matias) Calvo and Maria da Estrela
children of Andre Calvo and Luzia de Sousa of this same parish.

Cheers,
Margaret

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> I’m looking at trying to understand Mathias’ father’s middle name (Antonio
> Calvo is clear but that’s it) and I think his mother’s name is Victoria de
> Aguiar. It looks like the date of birth is 21 December 1731 but I can’t see
> the baptismal date or if there are grandparent names. It appears it might
> only be godparents names. I’ll appreciate any and all assistance with this
> one.
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Translation help - Mathias Calvo 1731 Ajuda de Bretanha

2016-09-09 Thread linda
perhaps "Sousa"? for Antonio's second name.

baptism date looks like it's at the end of the fourth line down: 26th of 
same month and year

and, I don't see any grandparents listed either

:)

Linda


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>
> Whoops! sorry…  
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-AJUDABRETANHA-B-1726-1742/SMG-PD-AJUDABRETANHA-B-1726-1742_item1/P146.html
>
>
>
> On September 9, 2016 at 10:19:04 PM, Sandra Perez (perezsa...@gmail.com 
> ) wrote:
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> Joanne,
>  
> Send link please.
>
> On Fri, Sep 9, 2016 at 6:56 PM, Joanne Mercier  > wrote:
>
>> I’m looking at trying to understand Mathias’ father’s middle name 
>> (Antonio Calvo is clear but that’s it) and I think his mother’s name is 
>> Victoria de Aguiar. It looks like the date of birth is 21 December 1731 but 
>> I can’t see the baptismal date or if there are grandparent names. It 
>> appears it might only be godparents names. I’ll appreciate any and all 
>> assistance with this one.
>>
>> Thanks!
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Translation help - Mathias Calvo 1731 Ajuda de Bretanha

2016-09-09 Thread Joanne Mercier
Whoops! sorry…
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-AJUDABRETANHA-B-1726-1742/SMG-PD-AJUDABRETANHA-B-1726-1742_item1/P146.html



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Joanne,

Send link please.

On Fri, Sep 9, 2016 at 6:56 PM, Joanne Mercier 
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> I’m looking at trying to understand Mathias’ father’s middle name (Antonio
> Calvo is clear but that’s it) and I think his mother’s name is Victoria de
> Aguiar. It looks like the date of birth is 21 December 1731 but I can’t see
> the baptismal date or if there are grandparent names. It appears it might
> only be godparents names. I’ll appreciate any and all assistance with this
> one.
>
> Thanks!
> Joanne Grota Mercier
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Translation help - Mathias Calvo 1731 Ajuda de Bretanha

2016-09-09 Thread Sandra Perez
Joanne,

Send link please.

On Fri, Sep 9, 2016 at 6:56 PM, Joanne Mercier 
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> I’m looking at trying to understand Mathias’ father’s middle name (Antonio
> Calvo is clear but that’s it) and I think his mother’s name is Victoria de
> Aguiar. It looks like the date of birth is 21 December 1731 but I can’t see
> the baptismal date or if there are grandparent names. It appears it might
> only be godparents names. I’ll appreciate any and all assistance with this
> one.
>
> Thanks!
> Joanne Grota Mercier
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