Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] an original settler of Sao Miguel, Azores in RR's book ... access to records prior to LANDING

2015-08-31 Thread Ângela Loura 
>From the National Public Library, you can access to all the digitalized
books:
http://purl.pt/12151

However, you can access to a much easy-to-read set of PDF's here:
https://pt.scribd.com/doc/135829475/Gayo-I-pdf (at the end of the PDF
you'll see Similar to Gayo I.pdf
, and it'll list the rest
of the volumes.

2015-08-31 13:38 GMT+01:00 Manita M :

> Thank you kindly for your response.  Makes sense that further research
> would have already been done.
>
> I have never heard of:
> Nobiliario de Familias de Portugal (Gaio)
>
> How does one get their hands on that?  Ideally a pdf?
> On Aug 31, 2015 7:01 AM, "'John Raposo' via Azores Genealogy" <
> azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
>> Some of those mainland connections are documented in Frutuoso (like the
>> Velho Cabrals). In Rodrigo Rodrigues and in Forjaz (*Genealogias da Ilha
>> Terceira*) whenever the lineage of an early settler can be traced back
>> to the mainland, Rodrigues and Forjaz have not only outlined these
>> connections but also list sources, e.g. *Nobiliario de Familias de
>> Portugal *(Gaio), etc. If Rodrigues and Forjaz do not have those
>> connections, then it probably means that they have never been discovered
>> (and probably never will be). Keep in mind that Gaio and Frutuoso are not
>> infallible; they have made some mistakes with these older lineages.
>>
>> I hope this helps.
>>
>> John Miranda Raposo
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, August 30, 2015 8:27 PM, Manita M 
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Hello,
>>
>> Here is a question for those of you who have been able to research as far
>> back to an *original settler of Sao Miguel*.  I have a few branches on
>> my tree where I have an original settler by way of connecting my ancestors
>> to *RR's book* on Sao Miguel.
>>
>> *How do you now take the leap from Sao Miguel, Azores to the mainland?*
>>
>> What do I need to do?  What advice would you give?
>>
>> Now having said all that, because I have connected to the original
>> settlers via RR's book, it begs another question that may negate my
>> question above to a certain extent: *because we know some of the
>> original settlers via RR's book, I would suspect that the research of
>> figuring out where those people came from before arriving in Sao Miguel has
>> already been done.  No?  How does one go about finding the records prior to
>> arriving in Sao Miguel?*
>>
>> Looking forward to your guidance and thoughts on this.
>>
>> Thank you!
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] an original settler of Sao Miguel, Azores in RR's book ... access to records prior to LANDING

2015-08-31 Thread Maria Lima 
Wow- these are questions I've had too.  So glad u asked them so eloquently

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> On Aug 31, 2015, at 7:38 AM, Manita M  wrote:
> 
> Thank you kindly for your response.  Makes sense that further research would 
> have already been done.
> 
> I have never heard of:
> Nobiliario de Familias de Portugal (Gaio)
> 
> How does one get their hands on that?  Ideally a pdf? 
> 
>> On Aug 31, 2015 7:01 AM, "'John Raposo' via Azores Genealogy" 
>>  wrote:
>> Some of those mainland connections are documented in Frutuoso (like the 
>> Velho Cabrals). In Rodrigo Rodrigues and in Forjaz (Genealogias da Ilha 
>> Terceira) whenever the lineage of an early settler can be traced back to the 
>> mainland, Rodrigues and Forjaz have not only outlined these connections but 
>> also list sources, e.g. Nobiliario de Familias de Portugal (Gaio), etc. If 
>> Rodrigues and Forjaz do not have those connections, then it probably means 
>> that they have never been discovered (and probably never will be). Keep in 
>> mind that Gaio and Frutuoso are not infallible; they have made some mistakes 
>> with these older lineages.
>> 
>> I hope this helps.
>> 
>> John Miranda Raposo
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Sunday, August 30, 2015 8:27 PM, Manita M  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Hello,
>> 
>> Here is a question for those of you who have been able to research as far 
>> back to an original settler of Sao Miguel.  I have a few branches on my tree 
>> where I have an original settler by way of connecting my ancestors to RR's 
>> book on Sao Miguel.
>> 
>> How do you now take the leap from Sao Miguel, Azores to the mainland?
>> 
>> What do I need to do?  What advice would you give?
>> 
>> Now having said all that, because I have connected to the original settlers 
>> via RR's book, it begs another question that may negate my question above to 
>> a certain extent: because we know some of the original settlers via RR's 
>> book, I would suspect that the research of figuring out where those people 
>> came from before arriving in Sao Miguel has already been done.  No?  How 
>> does one go about finding the records prior to arriving in Sao Miguel?
>> 
>> Looking forward to your guidance and thoughts on this.
>> 
>> Thank you!
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] an original settler of Sao Miguel, Azores in RR's book ... access to records prior to LANDING

2015-08-31 Thread 'John Raposo' via Azores Genealogy 
Some of those mainland connections are documented in Frutuoso (like the Velho 
Cabrals). In Rodrigo Rodrigues and in Forjaz (Genealogias da Ilha Terceira) 
whenever the lineage of an early settler can be traced back to the mainland, 
Rodrigues and Forjaz have not only outlined these connections but also list 
sources, e.g. Nobiliario de Familias de Portugal (Gaio), etc. If Rodrigues and 
Forjaz do not have those connections, then it probably means that they have 
never been discovered (and probably never will be). Keep in mind that Gaio and 
Frutuoso are not infallible; they have made some mistakes with these older 
lineages.
I hope this helps.
John Miranda Raposo
 


 On Sunday, August 30, 2015 8:27 PM, Manita M  
wrote:
   

 Hello,

Here is a question for those of you who have been able to research as far back 
to an original settler of Sao Miguel.  I have a few branches on my tree where I 
have an original settler by way of connecting my ancestors to RR's book on Sao 
Miguel.

How do you now take the leap from Sao Miguel, Azores to the mainland?

What do I need to do?  What advice would you give?

Now having said all that, because I have connected to the original settlers via 
RR's book, it begs another question that may negate my question above to a 
certain extent:  because we know some of the original settlers via RR's book, I 
would suspect that the research of figuring out where those people came from 
before arriving in Sao Miguel has already been done.  No?  How does one go 
about finding the records prior to arriving in Sao Miguel?

Looking forward to your guidance and thoughts on this.

Thank you!
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] an original settler of Sao Miguel, Azores in RR's book ... access to records prior to LANDING

2015-08-31 Thread Manita M 
Thank you kindly for your response.  Makes sense that further research
would have already been done.

I have never heard of:
Nobiliario de Familias de Portugal (Gaio)

How does one get their hands on that?  Ideally a pdf?
On Aug 31, 2015 7:01 AM, "'John Raposo' via Azores Genealogy" <
azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Some of those mainland connections are documented in Frutuoso (like the
> Velho Cabrals). In Rodrigo Rodrigues and in Forjaz (*Genealogias da Ilha
> Terceira*) whenever the lineage of an early settler can be traced back to
> the mainland, Rodrigues and Forjaz have not only outlined these connections
> but also list sources, e.g. *Nobiliario de Familias de Portugal *(Gaio),
> etc. If Rodrigues and Forjaz do not have those connections, then it
> probably means that they have never been discovered (and probably never
> will be). Keep in mind that Gaio and Frutuoso are not infallible; they have
> made some mistakes with these older lineages.
>
> I hope this helps.
>
> John Miranda Raposo
>
>
>
> On Sunday, August 30, 2015 8:27 PM, Manita M 
> wrote:
>
>
> Hello,
>
> Here is a question for those of you who have been able to research as far
> back to an *original settler of Sao Miguel*.  I have a few branches on my
> tree where I have an original settler by way of connecting my ancestors to 
> *RR's
> book* on Sao Miguel.
>
> *How do you now take the leap from Sao Miguel, Azores to the mainland?*
>
> What do I need to do?  What advice would you give?
>
> Now having said all that, because I have connected to the original
> settlers via RR's book, it begs another question that may negate my
> question above to a certain extent: *because we know some of the original
> settlers via RR's book, I would suspect that the research of figuring out
> where those people came from before arriving in Sao Miguel has already been
> done.  No?  How does one go about finding the records prior to arriving in
> Sao Miguel?*
>
> Looking forward to your guidance and thoughts on this.
>
> Thank you!
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] an original settler of Sao Miguel, Azores in RR's book ... access to records prior to LANDING

2015-08-31 Thread 'John Raposo' via Azores Genealogy 
I do not know if it available in anything other than hard copy.It is a 
multi-volume set costing over $1,000.00. There is a copy available at the Casa 
da saudade library in New Bedford.
 


 On Monday, August 31, 2015 8:38 AM, Manita M  
wrote:
   

 Thank you kindly for your response.  Makes sense that further research would 
have already been done.I have never heard of:
Nobiliario de Familias de Portugal (Gaio)How does one get their hands on that?  
Ideally a pdf?  On Aug 31, 2015 7:01 AM, "'John Raposo' via Azores Genealogy" 
 wrote:

Some of those mainland connections are documented in Frutuoso (like the Velho 
Cabrals). In Rodrigo Rodrigues and in Forjaz (Genealogias da Ilha Terceira) 
whenever the lineage of an early settler can be traced back to the mainland, 
Rodrigues and Forjaz have not only outlined these connections but also list 
sources, e.g. Nobiliario de Familias de Portugal (Gaio), etc. If Rodrigues and 
Forjaz do not have those connections, then it probably means that they have 
never been discovered (and probably never will be). Keep in mind that Gaio and 
Frutuoso are not infallible; they have made some mistakes with these older 
lineages.
I hope this helps.
John Miranda Raposo
 


 On Sunday, August 30, 2015 8:27 PM, Manita M  
wrote:
   

 Hello,

Here is a question for those of you who have been able to research as far back 
to an original settler of Sao Miguel.  I have a few branches on my tree where I 
have an original settler by way of connecting my ancestors to RR's book on Sao 
Miguel.

How do you now take the leap from Sao Miguel, Azores to the mainland?

What do I need to do?  What advice would you give?

Now having said all that, because I have connected to the original settlers via 
RR's book, it begs another question that may negate my question above to a 
certain extent:  because we know some of the original settlers via RR's book, I 
would suspect that the research of figuring out where those people came from 
before arriving in Sao Miguel has already been done.  No?  How does one go 
about finding the records prior to arriving in Sao Miguel?

Looking forward to your guidance and thoughts on this.

Thank you!
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