Re: [backstage] Over 10,000 sign BBC iplayer petition
On 24/07/07, Richard Lockwood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So, to summarise; we couldn't implement the player on all popular platforms then (which we realise is a problem), but we are working to do it now, and we'll get the system out to the majority of users now, hitting our initial target launch date. Sounds good to me. Rich. Actually, I was concerned by the apparent lack of a formal decision making process (as evidenced by lack of technical documentation or meeting minutes in the reply), and that the Beeb seem to be saying Siemens made the decision for us: Siemens did not propose any other DRM solution, and the BBC agreed with this approach. That said, I was agree with the thrust of the of your point. Vijay.
RE: [backstage] Over 10,000 sign BBC iplayer petition
Hi Vijay Thanks for uploading that. It will get to the BBC FOI site soon. http://www.bbc.co.uk/foi/docs/responses_bbc.shtml There are other FOI requests relating to the iPlayer there too. The BBC seems to receive many FOI queries based around its web/digital activity ;) http://www.bbc.co.uk/foi/docs/freedom_of_information/selected_requests_and_responses/2007/SR2007000122_Media_Player_Technology.pdf http://www.bbc.co.uk/foi/docs/freedom_of_information/selected_requests_and_responses/2006/SR200609_Integrated_Media_Player.pdf I don't think there is anything in this response that various BBC staff/execs have talked about on the list many many times. We really don't mind talking about this... thanks Jem -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of vijay chopra Sent: Tue 7/24/2007 7:37 PM To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] Over 10,000 sign BBC iplayer petition On 24/07/07, Richard Lockwood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: More seriously, if there's no announcement about (at the least) a release date for a version for Mac by the end of the year, they may have a point, but at the moment I still say the BBC are doing absolutely the right thing, given the restrictions imposed on them. Cheers, Rich. Today I got a reply from my month old FOI request (just in time) about iPlayer, and so we can now see the exact restrictions imposed on them (not the usual speculation about it that we usually get). My question: Can you please supply me with all documents relating to the choice of Microsoft DRM as the Digital Rights Management scheme for the BBC's upcoming iPlayer content on demand service. These documents should include, but are not limited to technical and financial consultation documents, documents detailing why any other DRM schemes were dismissed and the minutes of any meetings dealing with issues arising from any of the aforementioned documents The relevant part of the answer: The functionality required of that DRM solution is dictated to a large extent by the restrictions associated with the rights, combined with the overall requirements of the service. This functionality can be summarised as: 1. An adequate level of protection. Adequate in this case means a proven track record and acceptance by rights holders. 2. The functionality to support the required rights framework, which at minimum is expiry a set period after the first start of playback, and expiry a set period after the time of transmission on a BBC TV channel. 3. The flexibility to extend this minimum functionality (e.g. around playback rules, and controlled transfer between devices), recognising the relative infancy of this sort of service, and the likelihood that the proposition will evolve. 4. The demonstrated ability to handle considerable scale (the iPlayer could have a significant number of users). 5. Support for multiple platforms (PC, Mac/Intel, Mac/PowerPC, Linux) in line with the standards applied for bbc.co.uk. You can see the full thing here: http://vjchopra.googlepages.com/RFI2007000558-finalresponse.pdf Vijay.
Re: [backstage] Over 10,000 sign BBC iplayer petition
At 08:45 +0100 25/7/07, vijay chopra wrote: On 24/07/07, Richard Lockwood mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So, to summarise; we couldn't implement the player on all popular platforms then (which we realise is a problem), but we are working to do it now, and we'll get the system out to the majority of users now, hitting our initial target launch date. Sounds good to me. Rich. Actually, I was concerned by the apparent lack of a formal decision making process (as evidenced by lack of technical documentation or meeting minutes in the reply), and that the Beeb seem to be saying Siemens made the decision for us: Siemens did not propose any other DRM solution, and the BBC agreed with this approach. That said, I was agree with the thrust of the of your point. Vijay. Siemens? Who? Do they work for the BBC? Gordo -- Think Feynman/ http://pobox.com/~gordo/ [EMAIL PROTECTED]/// - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: Uploading the BBC programme catalogue to freebase (was RE: [backstage] Programme Catalogue vs. Freebase (was: BBC Programme Catalogue -any APIs yet?))
Hi Graeme Get in touch with me off list and we can sort this out. thanks Jem Stone. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Robin Doran Sent: Tue 7/24/2007 9:50 PM To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk; backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: RE: Uploading the BBC programme catalogue to freebase (was RE: [backstage] Programme Catalogue vs. Freebase (was: BBC Programme Catalogue -any APIs yet?)) Hi Graeme, The robots.txt file has been accidentally dropped from the new release and we will be re-introducing it, this is due to initial concerns complaints raised about personal data population in external search engines when the service was launched. On the subject of scraping the data, I've asked the catalogue.bbc.co.uk team to clarify the terms of use on the data to see if that will help answer your question but if you have a specific request then I would recommend using the Contact Us page http://catalogue.bbc.co.uk/catalogue/infax/contact Regards, From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Graeme West Sent: Tue 7/24/2007 20:39 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: Uploading the BBC programme catalogue to freebase (was RE: [backstage] Programme Catalogue vs. Freebase (was: BBC Programme Catalogue -any APIs yet?)) Hi all, Sorry to re-open an old thread - just wondering what the position is on scraping the catalogue.bbc.co.uk test site? I say this because I'm trying a little experiment - ingesting the whole catalogue into our Fedora repository ( http://www.fedora.info ) to be cross-referenced with the 200+ hours of BBC audio and video which we legally hold in our legacy repository as per our deposit agreement with the BBC ( http://www.spokenword.ac.uk/using-audio-video/copyright/ ). The reason I ask is that I've constructed a set of scripts which scrape the catalogue.bbc.co.uk archive's RDF files. I've already got a 'master' list of all programme URLs (the script to generate that took a pretty long time on a JANET connection), but having started the crawler grabbing the actual RDF streams for each programme, I can see that this is going to involve a pretty large amount of data transfer. FYI, my crawler uses Wget and respects robots.txt files. There's no robots.txt file on catalogue.bbc.co.uk so it seems to be fair game, but there is one on open.bbc.co.uk - I'm scraping from the former obviously. Clearly there's a licensing issue with copying the content but I'm only trying this as a technical experiment at this stage anyway - it will not be publicly available. -- Graeme West Spoken Word Services Glasgow Caledonian University Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Project web site: http://www.spokenword.ac.uk/ http://www.spokenword.ac.uk/ On 9 Jul 2007, at 21:30, Brendan Quinn wrote: I was considering entering a hack for Hack Day around that very thing. But then they went and made me one of the judges ;-) Wanna help? A simple set of scripts that scrape the archive (er I mean call that big RESTful API) and post entries/updates to the freebase sandbox server would be an interesting experiment. I agree that freebase is an amazing resource, especially when the programme data is curated properly: compare http://www.freebase.com/view/?id=%239202a8c04000641f80012406 with http://open.bbc.co.uk/catalogue/infax/series/DOCTOR+WHO ! There may be some rights issues around what would basically amount to opening up the programme catalogue under the creative commons attribution license, where the attribution wouldn't go to the BBC but to Freebase... Brendan. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Oliver Cole Sent: 09 July 2007 20:51 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: [backstage] Programme Catalogue vs. Freebase (was: BBC Programme Catalogue -any APIs yet?) I've been following the Programme Catalogue since it was announced, and its pretty interesting. I do however have a question for the BBC people on the list - have you considered simply uploading all the information to Freebase[1]? I can understand that you might want to keep it in house, but if you merged it with the wealth of information on Freebase you can do exponentially more. For example, if it was properly integrated you could run a query that would tell me how many of the contributors to Spooks series 2 were born in London. Regards, Oli [1] http://www.freebase.com - A very cool structured database, currently handling 2.3 million instances of 870 'types' - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit
[backstage] who to ask: SVG in weather feeds?
SVG weather feeds: who to ask? Who at the BBC publishes the weather feeds? Is there a good reason the SVG icons are not linked within the feed? regards Jonathan Chetwynd - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
[backstage] who to ask? weather feeds: why is the explanation of the symbols not used consistently
who to ask? weather feeds: why is the explanation of the symbols not used consistently Who at the BBC publishes the weather feeds? why is it that the text description and images are not consistent? in other words, why is the explanation of the symbols not used consistently? London today forecast text is cloudy as it was in yesterday's forecast for today. whereas the graphic yesterday was partly cloudy today it is black low level cloud because the text and graphic are not related consistently as per the explanation of symbols it seems virtually impossible to use the feed accurately. regards Jonathan Chetwynd http://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/bbcweather/features/symbols.shtml http://feeds.bbc.co.uk/weather/feeds/rss/5day/world/0008.xml http://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/5day.shtml?id=0008 - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] who to ask? weather feeds: why is the explanation of the symbols not used consistently
The explanation on the symbols page is poor, but the actual text in the feed is pretty consistant. I've only needed to match ten phrases to smbols since I wrote my weather map on the 1st of June. (Admittedly, most of those are variants on pi**ing down... but I digress.) So, I match the phrases to these icons like so... sunny intervals = icons/3_sunny_int.png; heavy showers = icons/14_heavy_rain.png; light rain = icons/10_light_rain.png; sunny = icons/1_sunny_day.png; cloudy = icons/8_black_lev_cloud.png; light showers = icons/10_light_rain.png; heavy rain = icons/13_heavy_rain_showers.png; thunderstorm = icons/29_thundery_shower.png; thundery showers = icons/29_thundery_shower.png; drizzle = icons/9_light_rain_driz.png; And yes - I'm well aware that the BBC only seems to recognise one kind of thunder when it comes to icons, but see fit to differentiate between thunderstorms and thundery showers in text. I was worried when I started the project that I'd need to pick up sunny intervals, sunny spells, sunny periods, sunny breaks etc. It seems not. Map at: www.sdldev.co.uk/weather/map.asp Cheers, Rich. On 7/25/07, ~:'' ありがとうございました。 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: who to ask? weather feeds: why is the explanation of the symbols not used consistently Who at the BBC publishes the weather feeds? why is it that the text description and images are not consistent? in other words, why is the explanation of the symbols not used consistently? London today forecast text is cloudy as it was in yesterday's forecast for today. whereas the graphic yesterday was partly cloudy today it is black low level cloud because the text and graphic are not related consistently as per the explanation of symbols it seems virtually impossible to use the feed accurately. regards Jonathan Chetwynd http://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/bbcweather/features/symbols.shtml http://feeds.bbc.co.uk/weather/feeds/rss/5day/world/0008.xml http://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/5day.shtml?id=0008 - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ -- SilverDisc Ltd is registered in England no. 2798073 Registered address: 4 Swallow Court, Kettering, Northamptonshire, NN15 6XX - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] who to ask: SVG in weather feeds?
I think you will find that they are produced by HM Govermenet's Department of Defence of which the Meterological Office is a part. On 25/07/07, ~:'' ありがとうございました。 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: SVG weather feeds: who to ask? Who at the BBC publishes the weather feeds? Is there a good reason the SVG icons are not linked within the feed? regards Jonathan Chetwynd - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ -- Please email me back if you need any more help. Brian Butterworth www.ukfree.tv
RE: [backstage] who to ask: SVG in weather feeds?
Hello there, 'Tis I. We don't have any SVG icons. Do you mean the gif images of weather symbols used on the 5 day forecast pages? Feel free to contact me off list with your answer...I doubt this conversation is of general interest to the list. As for the descrepancy between symbols and labels on the feed, I will investigate. Best, Kass Kathryn Schmitt Senior Developer BBC Weather Centre 2026 Television Centre T: 020 82259448 M: 0771 7582482 www.bbc.co.uk/weather www.bbc.co.uk/climate -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ~:'' Sent: 25 July 2007 10:03 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: [backstage] who to ask: SVG in weather feeds? SVG weather feeds: who to ask? Who at the BBC publishes the weather feeds? Is there a good reason the SVG icons are not linked within the feed? regards Jonathan Chetwynd - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Over 10,000 sign BBC iplayer petition
On 25/07/07, Jeremy Stone [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We really don't mind talking about this... thanks Jem I know that you guys don't mind talking Jem; the intent of my FOI request was to get full, detailed *documentation* behind many of the important decisions behind iPlayer. I have to say that I'm a little disappointed with the answer, as none of the actual documentation was supplied. I'm thinking of asking further questions, or possibly an appeal; perhaps both? Having said that, I do think that you guys are much more open about things like this than probably any other organization, and that I appreciate the fact that you do talk, and are willing to take on good ideas and constructive criticism where it's appropriate, and not stopped by crazy rights situations. I only wish the actual artists\actors etc. did the same. regards, Vijay.
RE: [backstage] who to ask? weather feeds: why is the explanation of the symbols not used consistently
There are 32 images in this set: http://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/images/symbols/fiveday_sym/32.gif and in this set: http://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/images/symbols/animated_sym/4.gif Paul Daniel -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Richard Lockwood Sent: 25 July 2007 10:22 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] who to ask? weather feeds: why is the explanation of the symbols not used consistently The explanation on the symbols page is poor, but the actual text in the feed is pretty consistant. I've only needed to match ten phrases to smbols since I wrote my weather map on the 1st of June. (Admittedly, most of those are variants on pi**ing down... but I digress.) So, I match the phrases to these icons like so... sunny intervals = icons/3_sunny_int.png; heavy showers = icons/14_heavy_rain.png; light rain = icons/10_light_rain.png; sunny = icons/1_sunny_day.png; cloudy = icons/8_black_lev_cloud.png; light showers = icons/10_light_rain.png; heavy rain = icons/13_heavy_rain_showers.png; thunderstorm = icons/29_thundery_shower.png; thundery showers = icons/29_thundery_shower.png; drizzle = icons/9_light_rain_driz.png; And yes - I'm well aware that the BBC only seems to recognise one kind of thunder when it comes to icons, but see fit to differentiate between thunderstorms and thundery showers in text. I was worried when I started the project that I'd need to pick up sunny intervals, sunny spells, sunny periods, sunny breaks etc. It seems not. Map at: www.sdldev.co.uk/weather/map.asp Cheers, Rich. On 7/25/07, ~:'' [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: who to ask? weather feeds: why is the explanation of the symbols not used consistently Who at the BBC publishes the weather feeds? why is it that the text description and images are not consistent? in other words, why is the explanation of the symbols not used consistently? London today forecast text is cloudy as it was in yesterday's forecast for today. whereas the graphic yesterday was partly cloudy today it is black low level cloud because the text and graphic are not related consistently as per the explanation of symbols it seems virtually impossible to use the feed accurately. regards Jonathan Chetwynd http://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/bbcweather/features/symbols.shtml http://feeds.bbc.co.uk/weather/feeds/rss/5day/world/0008.xml http://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/5day.shtml?id=0008 - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ -- SilverDisc Ltd is registered in England no. 2798073 Registered address: 4 Swallow Court, Kettering, Northamptonshire, NN15 6XX - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.19/917 - Release Date: 25/07/2007 01:16 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.19/917 - Release Date: 25/07/2007 01:16 - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
[backstage] who to ask? weather feeds: why is the explanation of the symbols not used consistently
Richard, It's true the actual text in the feed is pretty consistant it is consistent, but not in the way defined in the explanations where there are more than 17 discrete icons used by the BBC. the fact that you can match 10 text expressions to ten icons means that your icons are without doubt different in intent to those being used at that time by the BBC. for instance as I mentioned, cloudy text has been represented by both a black cloud, and a white one in the last 24 hours for London. the feeds don't contain the texxt information that differentiates, though by changing the text systematically this could easily be achieved. Kathryn Schmitt is to investigate regards Jonathan Chetwynd On 25 Jul 2007, at 10:21, Richard Lockwood wrote: The explanation on the symbols page is poor, but the actual text in the feed is pretty consistant. I've only needed to match ten phrases to smbols since I wrote my weather map on the 1st of June. (Admittedly, most of those are variants on pi**ing down... but I digress.) So, I match the phrases to these icons like so... sunny intervals = icons/3_sunny_int.png; heavy showers = icons/14_heavy_rain.png; light rain = icons/10_light_rain.png; sunny = icons/1_sunny_day.png; cloudy = icons/8_black_lev_cloud.png; light showers = icons/10_light_rain.png; heavy rain = icons/13_heavy_rain_showers.png; thunderstorm = icons/29_thundery_shower.png; thundery showers = icons/29_thundery_shower.png; drizzle = icons/9_light_rain_driz.png; And yes - I'm well aware that the BBC only seems to recognise one kind of thunder when it comes to icons, but see fit to differentiate between thunderstorms and thundery showers in text. I was worried when I started the project that I'd need to pick up sunny intervals, sunny spells, sunny periods, sunny breaks etc. It seems not. Map at: www.sdldev.co.uk/weather/map.asp Cheers, Rich. On 7/25/07, ~:'' ありがとうございました。 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: who to ask? weather feeds: why is the explanation of the symbols not used consistently Who at the BBC publishes the weather feeds? why is it that the text description and images are not consistent? in other words, why is the explanation of the symbols not used consistently? London today forecast text is cloudy as it was in yesterday's forecast for today. whereas the graphic yesterday was partly cloudy today it is black low level cloud because the text and graphic are not related consistently as per the explanation of symbols it seems virtually impossible to use the feed accurately. regards Jonathan Chetwynd http://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/bbcweather/features/symbols.shtml http://feeds.bbc.co.uk/weather/feeds/rss/5day/world/0008.xml http://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/5day.shtml?id=0008 - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/ mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail- archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ -- SilverDisc Ltd is registered in England no. 2798073 Registered address: 4 Swallow Court, Kettering, Northamptonshire, NN15 6XX - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/ mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail- archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
[backstage] Re: who to ask? weather feeds: why is the explanation of the symbols not used consistently
Oh - absolutely. I quite agree that the use is unclear, and that my mappings don't neccessarily match those intended by the Beeb, It would be nice to have the usage and terms clarified by the relevent parties! :-) Please keep me copied in on this - I'm certainly interested to see if there's a right way of doing things. Cheers, Richard. On 7/25/07, ~:'' ありがとうございました。 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Richard, It's true the actual text in the feed is pretty consistant it is consistent, but not in the way defined in the explanations where there are more than 17 discrete icons used by the BBC. the fact that you can match 10 text expressions to ten icons means that your icons are without doubt different in intent to those being used at that time by the BBC. for instance as I mentioned, cloudy text has been represented by both a black cloud, and a white one in the last 24 hours for London. the feeds don't contain the texxt information that differentiates, though by changing the text systematically this could easily be achieved. Kathryn Schmitt is to investigate regards Jonathan Chetwynd On 25 Jul 2007, at 10:21, Richard Lockwood wrote: The explanation on the symbols page is poor, but the actual text in the feed is pretty consistant. I've only needed to match ten phrases to smbols since I wrote my weather map on the 1st of June. (Admittedly, most of those are variants on pi**ing down... but I digress.) So, I match the phrases to these icons like so... sunny intervals = icons/3_sunny_int.png; heavy showers = icons/14_heavy_rain.png; light rain = icons/10_light_rain.png; sunny = icons/1_sunny_day.png; cloudy = icons/8_black_lev_cloud.png; light showers = icons/10_light_rain.png; heavy rain = icons/13_heavy_rain_showers.png; thunderstorm = icons/29_thundery_shower.png; thundery showers = icons/29_thundery_shower.png; drizzle = icons/9_light_rain_driz.png; And yes - I'm well aware that the BBC only seems to recognise one kind of thunder when it comes to icons, but see fit to differentiate between thunderstorms and thundery showers in text. I was worried when I started the project that I'd need to pick up sunny intervals, sunny spells, sunny periods, sunny breaks etc. It seems not. Map at: www.sdldev.co.uk/weather/map.asp Cheers, Rich. On 7/25/07, ~:'' ありがとうございました。 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: who to ask? weather feeds: why is the explanation of the symbols not used consistently Who at the BBC publishes the weather feeds? why is it that the text description and images are not consistent? in other words, why is the explanation of the symbols not used consistently? London today forecast text is cloudy as it was in yesterday's forecast for today. whereas the graphic yesterday was partly cloudy today it is black low level cloud because the text and graphic are not related consistently as per the explanation of symbols it seems virtually impossible to use the feed accurately. regards Jonathan Chetwynd http://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/bbcweather/features/symbols.shtml http://feeds.bbc.co.uk/weather/feeds/rss/5day/world/0008.xml http://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/5day.shtml?id=0008 - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/ mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail- archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ -- SilverDisc Ltd is registered in England no. 2798073 Registered address: 4 Swallow Court, Kettering, Northamptonshire, NN15 6XX - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/ mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail- archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ -- SilverDisc Ltd is registered in England no. 2798073 Registered address: 4 Swallow Court, Kettering, Northamptonshire, NN15 6XX -- SilverDisc Ltd is registered in England no. 2798073 Registered address: 4 Swallow Court, Kettering, Northamptonshire, NN15 6XX - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
[backstage] MIX UK - registration open
We've opened the registration for MIX UK. http://www.microsoft.com/uk/mix07/ We're pretty sure it will sell out in a few days, so if you want to attend it might be better to register before too long. Cheers, Phil. This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the originator of the message. This footer also confirms that this email message has been scanned for the presence of computer viruses, though it is not guaranteed virus free. Original Recipient: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Original Sender : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Original Send Date: 25/07/2007 - 15:07:56
Re: [backstage] Over 10,000 sign BBC iplayer petition
You won't get anything, the FOI Act makes provision for the witholding of documentation relating to commercial negotiations. On 25/07/07, vijay chopra [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 25/07/07, Jeremy Stone [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We really don't mind talking about this... thanks Jem I know that you guys don't mind talking Jem; the intent of my FOI request was to get full, detailed *documentation* behind many of the important decisions behind iPlayer. I have to say that I'm a little disappointed with the answer, as none of the actual documentation was supplied. I'm thinking of asking further questions, or possibly an appeal; perhaps both? Having said that, I do think that you guys are much more open about things like this than probably any other organization, and that I appreciate the fact that you do talk, and are willing to take on good ideas and constructive criticism where it's appropriate, and not stopped by crazy rights situations. I only wish the actual artists\actors etc. did the same. regards, Vijay. -- Please email me back if you need any more help. Brian Butterworth www.ukfree.tv
Re: [backstage] Over 10,000 sign BBC iplayer petition
On 25/07/07, Brian Butterworth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You won't get anything, the FOI Act makes provision for the witholding of documentation relating to commercial negotiations. The whole point of the BBC is that it's not a commercial entity (at least domestically). Besides, if I don't ask, I won't get; if I do ask, the worst they can do is refuse me. Vijay.
[backstage] who to ask? weather feeds: why is the explanation of the symbols not used consistently
Paul, that's excellent thanks, I make it 18 commonly known and distinct icons. there is a fair amount of duplication not sure why this might be 2.gif and 7.gif for instance. perhaps they have different alpha transparencies? the one I missed is 28/30.gif which shares the same text description as 29.gif thundery shower. following the scheme for other weather systems the one without the sun isn't a shower? It's clear that making absolute rules about relations between text and graphics is complex. heavy thunder might easily smack of neo-nazi sympathies, yet there have been some rather heavy ones recently in our area. hopefully the BBC will address these few small exceptions. best wishes Jonathan Chetwynd On 25 Jul 2007, at 14:53, Paul Daniel wrote: There are 32 images in this set: http://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/images/symbols/fiveday_sym/32.gif and in this set: http://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/images/symbols/animated_sym/4.gif Paul Daniel -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Richard Lockwood Sent: 25 July 2007 10:22 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] who to ask? weather feeds: why is the explanation of the symbols not used consistently The explanation on the symbols page is poor, but the actual text in the feed is pretty consistant. I've only needed to match ten phrases to smbols since I wrote my weather map on the 1st of June. (Admittedly, most of those are variants on pi**ing down... but I digress.) So, I match the phrases to these icons like so... sunny intervals = icons/3_sunny_int.png; heavy showers = icons/14_heavy_rain.png; light rain = icons/10_light_rain.png; sunny = icons/1_sunny_day.png; cloudy = icons/8_black_lev_cloud.png; light showers = icons/10_light_rain.png; heavy rain = icons/13_heavy_rain_showers.png; thunderstorm = icons/29_thundery_shower.png; thundery showers = icons/29_thundery_shower.png; drizzle = icons/9_light_rain_driz.png; And yes - I'm well aware that the BBC only seems to recognise one kind of thunder when it comes to icons, but see fit to differentiate between thunderstorms and thundery showers in text. I was worried when I started the project that I'd need to pick up sunny intervals, sunny spells, sunny periods, sunny breaks etc. It seems not. Map at: www.sdldev.co.uk/weather/map.asp Cheers, Rich. On 7/25/07, ~:'' [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: who to ask? weather feeds: why is the explanation of the symbols not used consistently Who at the BBC publishes the weather feeds? why is it that the text description and images are not consistent? in other words, why is the explanation of the symbols not used consistently? London today forecast text is cloudy as it was in yesterday's forecast for today. whereas the graphic yesterday was partly cloudy today it is black low level cloud because the text and graphic are not related consistently as per the explanation of symbols it seems virtually impossible to use the feed accurately. regards Jonathan Chetwynd http://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/bbcweather/features/symbols.shtml http://feeds.bbc.co.uk/weather/feeds/rss/5day/world/0008.xml http://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/5day.shtml?id=0008 - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ -- SilverDisc Ltd is registered in England no. 2798073 Registered address: 4 Swallow Court, Kettering, Northamptonshire, NN15 6XX - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.19/917 - Release Date: 25/07/2007 01:16 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.19/917 - Release Date: 25/07/2007 01:16 - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/ mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail- archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] Over 10,000 sign BBC iplayer petition
did you all see this already? NOt been following the list today: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/07/25/bbc_iplayer_linux_macosx/ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of vijay chopra Sent: Wed 25/07/2007 3:28 PM To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] Over 10,000 sign BBC iplayer petition On 25/07/07, Brian Butterworth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You won't get anything, the FOI Act makes provision for the witholding of documentation relating to commercial negotiations. The whole point of the BBC is that it's not a commercial entity (at least domestically). Besides, if I don't ask, I won't get; if I do ask, the worst they can do is refuse me. Vijay.
Re: [backstage] Over 10,000 sign BBC iplayer petition
The whole point of the BBC is that it's not a commercial entity (at least domestically) Although it would find it mighty hard to put anything on the screen if it didn't have confidential commercial negotiations with the companies who rent buildings, make cameras, do transmission, provide subtitles, sell teabags etc etc all the best, Martin On 25/07/07, vijay chopra [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 25/07/07, Brian Butterworth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You won't get anything, the FOI Act makes provision for the witholding of documentation relating to commercial negotiations. The whole point of the BBC is that it's not a commercial entity (at least domestically). Besides, if I don't ask, I won't get; if I do ask, the worst they can do is refuse me. Vijay. -- Martin Belam - http://www.currybet.net - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] who to ask? weather feeds: why is the explanation of the symbols not used consistently
there is a fair amount of duplication not sure why this might be 2.gif and 7.gif for instance. perhaps they have different alpha transparencies? Jonathan, The BBC weather icons dovetail with the Met Office ones [1] but the Met Office have different icons for weather events at night to those during the day and the BBC don't make that distinction. 2.gif corresponds to http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/weather/images/symbols/w2x15.gif - Partly cloudy (night) 7.gif corresponds to http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/weather/images/symbols/w7x15.gif - Medium-level cloud A curious thing: the two sets don't completely tally - the BBC's 32.gif is Hazy, in the Met Office's set they don't have a 32 but they do have 33 which is Haze. Best wishes, Al [1] http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/weather/uk/guide/key.html
RE: [backstage] BBC TV and Radio 7-day listing
Andrew, If you have data going back prior to June 22 2005, how could one obtain a copy? One of my uses of the TVAnyTime data is to start building an historical database that can be searched. I know there are various sites that offer this data, but there search capabilities are limited and I'm not sure of the quality/completeness of the data itself - it varies from site to site. Terry -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andrew McParland Sent: Wednesday, 18 July, 2007 19:38 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] BBC TV and Radio 7-day listing The TV-Anytime files on backstage are working again: http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/feeds/tvradio/ As some changes are still planned for backstage we'll keep the address below working in parallel as well As for a longer term archive of listings info, in my area we probably have a few years extra data whilst we were working on the TV-Anytime standard but I'm not sure there's another archive inside the BBC that can be made available... If anyone has one please pipe up :-) Andrew BBC Research ad Innovation On Sat, Jul 07, 2007 at 02:57:31PM +0100, Andrew McParland wrote: Sorry, we've been having a few problems. For the moment you can find a more up to date set of TV-Anytime schedule data files at: http://72.249.74.119/tv-anytime/ Due to this being a temporary measure the address may change, and the files may not be updated as regularly as we would like, but this should keep you going for a bit. We are working towards a better solution and, for the moment at least, we do intend to keep the files of data coming. We'll keep you informed as any changes happen. Andrew BBC Research and Innovation On Thu, Jul 05, 2007 at 06:03:37PM +0800, Flynn, Terry wrote: Mario, Thanks, I know about the API but prefer the files if their going to be maintained... its been a couple of weeks now, so suppose I better accept the change :( I'm an old, old UNIX programmer and my tools of choice are C and shell script - have a high level of inertia with these new java and perl thingies... Worked out how to make the API calls with wget, so just a matter of loading my little database - simple update...Thanks again for the suggestion... Terry From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mario Menti Sent: Thursday, 5 July, 2007 14:19 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] BBC TV and Radio 7-day listing On 7/5/07, Flynn, Terry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry if I missed any announcement - will Backstage be continuing the TV and Radio schedules in TVAnyTime XML format? Last update was June 21... As screen scraping the web site is illegal, this is the only option available to many of us to get BBC schedules for whatever purpose... Terry I don't know about the plans for the TV-Anytime files, but the best way to get BBC schedule information is probably through the BBC Web API: http://www0.rdthdo.bbc.co.uk/services/api/index.html The API can give you query results in both TV-Anytime or a slightly simpler XML format. HTH, Mario. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] MIX UK - registration open
At 15:07 +0100 25/7/07, Phil Winstanley wrote: We've opened the registration for MIX UK. http://www.microsoft.com/uk/mix07/http://www.microsoft.com/uk/mix07/ We're pretty sure it will sell out in a few days, so if you want to attend it might be better to register before too long. Cheers, Phil. Koo Gordo -- Think Feynman/ http://pobox.com/~gordo/ [EMAIL PROTECTED]/// - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Over 10,000 sign BBC iplayer petition
At 13:04 +0100 25/7/07, vijay chopra wrote: On 25/07/07, Jeremy Stone mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We really don't mind talking about this... thanks Jem I know that you guys don't mind talking Jem; the intent of my FOI request was to get full, detailed *documentation* behind many of the important decisions behind iPlayer. Yes. Pay the licence fee, and you own the answers! Or not? Gordo -- Think Feynman/ http://pobox.com/~gordo/ [EMAIL PROTECTED]/// - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
