RE: [backstage] FYI: Open iPlayer
Can you expand on that note about listings please Mo? Do you want more date/time information about when a programme was broadcast surfaced? Or a better interface for exploring back in time instead of by letter/source? At the moment we're just trying to keep it as simple as is necessary. We're on a shoestring, but we should be able to pipe in better TX information, at least. Admittedly we kind of buried the yesterday's telly feature too: http://testtubetelly.channel4.com/programmes/days/yesterday andy -Original Message- From: owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk [mailto:owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk] On Behalf Of Mo McRoberts Sent: 23 October 2009 08:09 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] FYI: Open iPlayer On 23-Oct-2009, at 01:14, Tom Loosemore wrote: Theres no (public) evidence, beyond the existence of Kangaroo, that other broadcasters are actually all that interested in a one-stop aggregation portal (Id be tempted to say more fool themright now, they need all the help they can get). coughs http://testtubetelly.channel4.com /coughs Oh, I take it back, prototype though it is! Some listings integration wouldnt go amiss, but at least somebodys doing *something*. M. -- mo mcroberts http://nevali.net iChat: mo.mcrobe...@me.com Jabber/GTalk: m...@ilaven.net Twitter: @nevali Run Leopard or Snow Leopard? Set Quick Look free with DropLook - http://labs.jazzio.com/DropLook/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ # Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify postmas...@channel4.co.uk Thank You. Channel Four Television Corporation, created by statute under English law, is at 124 Horseferry Road, London, SW1P 2TX . 4 Ventures Limited (Company No. 04106849), incorporated in England and Wales has its registered office at 124 Horseferry Road, London SW1P 2TX. VAT no: GB 626475817 # - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] FYI: Open iPlayer
Thanks Mo. Yes, agreed on all counts. But no, TTT is not a prototype of what's to come on Youtube :) andy -Original Message- From: owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk [mailto:owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk] On Behalf Of Mo McRoberts Sent: 23 October 2009 10:43 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] FYI: Open iPlayer On 23-Oct-2009, at 09:36, Andrew Pipes wrote: Can you expand on that note about listings please Mo? Do you want more date/time information about when a programme was broadcast surfaced? Or a better interface for exploring back in time instead of by letter/source? At the moment we're just trying to keep it as simple as is necessary. The latter, although actual programme metadata is useful (because you dont necessarily know from a summary or title whether its the episode of something youre looking for, whereas you may well know that you saw last weeks broadcast). Primarily, it was the ability to browse by channel+day, both for things which have already aired, and the upcoming programmesmuch as iPlayer tries to do (though iPlayers UX quite often bugs me in this respect!) e.g., if somebody says did you see that documentary on More4 on Tuesday about how right-wing extremism is making its way into parish councils?, it should be trivial to track down based on the available informationat worst there are a limited number of programmes which would have aired on More4 on Tuesday, so even if you dont know the title, it should be easy to find with the aid of listings tie-in. Similarly, if you know a programme is airing at some point in the next 12 hours on a channel, being able to see (quite prominently) at a glance whether its available/coming soon/will be up later+ETA is quite useful. I know its tricky when you pull in solely on-demand content, but sheer popularity only goes so far as a useful metric for end-users. More metadata! ;) My expectation of a good aggregator is one which takes the best aspects of iPlayer+4oD+ITV Player+etc (and by that I dont just mean the raw content!) and presents a unified view of that. TTT certainly manages the latter, but my gut feeling is that its a more close fit with YouTubes fairly lightweight metadata than iPlayers (and presumably 4oDs) richnessand rather than using whats available wherever possible, it mostly seems to drag everything down to YouTubes level. I could be misreading it allI havent explored deeply, but then arguably I shouldnt have to in order to get a good idea of what it can do. What I dont get is why is it separate from 4oD and a strictly limited-budget experimental thing? Why not just have 4oDs web interface support multiple content streams? Political issues? (Actually, given the YouTube deal, is this a prototype for whats to come?) Er, hope that helps in some small way! M. -- mo mcroberts http://nevali.net iChat: mo.mcrobe...@me.com Jabber/GTalk: m...@ilaven.net Twitter: @nevali Run Leopard or Snow Leopard? Set Quick Look free with DropLook - http://labs.jazzio.com/DropLook/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ # Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify postmas...@channel4.co.uk Thank You. Channel Four Television Corporation, created by statute under English law, is at 124 Horseferry Road, London, SW1P 2TX . 4 Ventures Limited (Company No. 04106849), incorporated in England and Wales has its registered office at 124 Horseferry Road, London SW1P 2TX. VAT no: GB 626475817 # - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] get_iplayer
Yeah, used to include all of 4od too until our dev team spent a weekend blocking it... -Original Message- From: owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk [mailto:owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk] On Behalf Of Dave Crossland Sent: 02 August 2009 19:00 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: [backstage] get_iplayer Hi, I hadn't seen http://linuxcentre.net/getiplayer/ mentioned here so I thought I would. -- Regards, Dave - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ # Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify postmas...@channel4.co.uk Thank You. Channel Four Television Corporation, created by statute under English law, is at 124 Horseferry Road, London, SW1P 2TX . 4 Ventures Limited (Company No. 04106849), incorporated in England and Wales has its registered office at 124 Horseferry Road, London SW1P 2TX. VAT no: GB 626475817 # - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] Competition Commission bounces Project Kangeroo
by opening up some data about their services and allowing 3rd party aggregators (assuming rights holders don't spit tacks over the idea). I agree with the idea of opening up more meta data. video assets are trickier when ads come into play though. who would sell the advertising, where would it be displayed, how would it be monitored, how would the rights owners ensure that everyone on the CDN was the right kind of target platform for the ads etc. tough issues. at the moment those kinds of concerns prohibit many kinds of open syndication possibilities. rights holders for some content have already started putting some of their content onto 3rd parties. ie this Peep Show (traditionally a channel4 show) on Joost. http://www.joost.com/129byl2/t/Peep-Show-103#id=129byl2 more of this is bound to happen. unfortunately the richness of meta data that exists on channel4.com for peep show http://www.channel4.com/programmes/peep-show isn't available on other sites, so the user's experience of discovering and consuming these programmes is going to be quite varied, which is a shame. i look forward to seeing how all the moving parts in this end up re-linking over the next months though. In the end the biggest loser is going to be the Competition Commission as I bet history will view them as not getting the online marketplace. sadly true From: owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk [mailto:owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk] On Behalf Of Scot McSweeney-Roberts Sent: 04 February 2009 16:44 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] Competition Commission bounces Project Kangeroo On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 12:53, Jeremy James j...@forbidden.co.uk wrote: See http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/7869181.stm A victory or a loss for consumer choice? -jeremy Neither. Having 3 URLs instead of 1 isn't going make much of a difference from the consumers point of view (which is why I fail to see how Kangaroo would have been more damaging to competition than 3 separate services). The Big 3 could probably simulate Kangaroo by opening up some data about their services and allowing 3rd party aggregators (assuming rights holders don't spit tacks over the idea). In the end the biggest loser is going to be the Competition Commission as I bet history will view them as not getting the online marketplace. Scot # Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify postmas...@channel4.co.uk Thank You. Channel Four Television Corporation, created by statute under English law, is at 124 Horseferry Road, London, SW1P 2TX . 4 Ventures Limited (Company No. 04106849), incorporated in England and Wales has its registered office at 124 Horseferry Road, London SW1P 2TX. VAT no: GB 626475817 #
