RE: [backstage] BBC Look East HTML rich newsletter
Jeez, you should see what some of the emails we get in Outlook 2000 look
like!
Still a very popular email client for some corporates.
Campaign Monitor (who we use to send mail out), have some great tips on how
to format/design emails:
http://www.campaignmonitor.com/help/category.aspx?c=7
<http://www.campaignmonitor.com/help/category.aspx?c=7>
Outa interest, anyone else here use Campaign Monitor?
- Gav
Gavin Pearce | Junior Web Developer | TBS
The Columbia Centre, Market Street, Bracknell, RG12 1JG, United Kingdom
Direct: +44 (0) 1344 403488 | Office: +44 (0) 1344 306011 | Fax: +44 (0)
1344 427138
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Registered in England, company number 2079459.
-Original Message-
From: Brian Butterworth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 05 June 2008 09:07
To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk
Subject: Re: [backstage] BBC Look East HTML rich newsletter
Adam,
However many mail clients don't support the automatic (or even manual)
loading for CSS files. As you cannot know the client being used, you have
to go for the common set of features.
It's a common error to assume that everyone uses a particular client.
2008/6/5 Adam Hatia < [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >:
Brian,
> For example, you can't use the "class" operator to format items. I have
used this rather basic function to translate my "class" items to the
> more basic "style" items:
Actually, CSS stylesheets are fully supported by Outlook, Outlook Express,
and Thunderbird at least, and I am using CSS to generate size-efficient HTML
emails that use the stylesheets from the website (though obviously, the path
to the css file needs to be a full absolute URL) – do you still have an
email client that doesn't support CSS, if so, what is it?
Adam
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [mailto:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ]
On Behalf Of Brian Butterworth
Sent: 05 June 2008 07:55
To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk <mailto:backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk>
Subject: Re: [backstage] BBC Look East HTML rich newsletter
Matt,
I sorted an automatic email notification system just recently on ukfree.tv
<http://ukfree.tv> and I think I might be able to give you a few pointers.
The site uses PHP, so my examples will be in that. If you can't follow it,
then let me know.
(You can subscribe/unsubscribe by visiting http://www.ukfree.tv/
<http://www.ukfree.tv/> and using the box in the 'my settings' item at the
top left.
To send an HTML email, as you have already found out I guess, you need to
ensure you have the right headers:
function sendHTMLemail($strEmail, $strHTML, $strSubject)
{
// To send HTML mail, the Content-type header must be set
$strHeaders = 'MIME-Version: 1.0' . "\r\n";
$strHeaders .= 'Content-type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1' . "\r\n";
// Additional headers
$strHeaders .= "To: $strEmail <$strEmail>\r\n";
$strHeaders .= "From: --- updates < [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>\r\n";
// Mail it
mail($strEmail, $strSubject, $strHTML, $strHeaders);
}
As you have found out, the level of CSS support in HTML email message is
limited. For example, you can't use the "class" operator to format items.
I have used this rather basic function to translate my "class" items to the
more basic "style" items:
function translaterhsbox($strTitle, $strContent, $strDummy1, $strDummy2)
{
return "$strTitle" .
strtr($strContent,array("class=\"lyrOffsite\""=>"style=\"font-size:
8pt;\"")) . "";
}
Basically you need to ensure that you format everything with styles, for
example:
But you can still use graphics from your web-site. However many email
programmes will block the graphics until you agree to download them.
http://www.ukfree.tv/2k8_graphic.php?a=a2
<http://www.ukfree.tv/2k8_graphic.php?a=a2&t=UK%20Free%20TV%20email%20update
%5C> &t=UK%20Free%20TV%20email%20update\">
If you have written your document in using CSS, someone can probably write a
bit of code to automatically "expand" the raw HTML to convert all the
'class'es to 'styles'.
You might like to know that the other constraints (java, scripting, flash)
are to protect email users from viral abuse, not a lack of will to implement
it.
Hope this helps
2008/6/4 < [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >:
Hello there,
I'm a journalist working for BBC East in Norwich and I've joined this
mailing list to get advice and guidance - and possibly some idea
RE: [backstage] BBC Look East HTML rich newsletter
The only problem with sending an entirely plain text email is when you get into the world of stats. Bounce rates can be tracked, and you can also do links unique for each user, however stats like comparing click through rates compared to opening rates and which parts of an email were click on most, wouldn't work with plain text. Not so important for smaller websites, but when you're emailing out to 10,000+ people, you want to make sure things are targeted properly, to be able to re-invest and re-target, next time around. - Gav Gavin Pearce | Junior Web Developer | TBS The Columbia Centre, Market Street, Bracknell, RG12 1JG, United Kingdom Direct: +44 (0) 1344 403488 | Office: +44 (0) 1344 306011 | Fax: +44 (0) 1344 427138 MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Yahoo: pearce.gavin | Skype: tbs.gavin www.tbs.uk.com <http://www.tbs.uk.com/> TBS is a trading name of Technology Services International Limited. Registered in England, company number 2079459. -Original Message- From: Sean DALY [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 05 June 2008 09:40 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] BBC Look East HTML rich newsletter If I may add my 2 cents, I think e-mail newsletters should always have a text-only option with a link to the graphics-rich version. I am subscribed to fairly vast number of newsletters and I generally don't read them, I search them for keywords (filters or manually). Plain text are ideal as a lowest common denominator for portable gadgets; easy to forward plain text newsletters to my work or personal e-mail accounts and read the graphics-rich versions on comfortable screens. And, for the security-conscious (I am thinking of my aging personal Windows box but also Google mail which scrubs images by default), plain text offers a far more secure way to receive a flood of mail with the rich version just an extra click away. Sean. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ This message has been scanned for viruses by Viatel MailControl - http://viatel.mailcontrol.com/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] Friday humour
A man walking down the street noticed a small boy trying to reach the doorbell of a house. Even when he jumped up, he couldn't quite reach it .The man decided to help the boy, walked up on to the porch and pushed the doorbell. He looked down at the boy, smiled and asked, "What now?" The boy answered, "Now we run like crazy!" Gavin Pearce | Junior Web Developer | TBS The Columbia Centre, Market Street, Bracknell, RG12 1JG, United Kingdom Direct: +44 (0) 1344 403488 | Office: +44 (0) 1344 306011 | Fax: +44 (0) 1344 427138 MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Yahoo: pearce.gavin | Skype: tbs.gavin www.tbs.uk.com <http://www.tbs.uk.com/> TBS is a trading name of Technology Services International Limited. Registered in England, company number 2079459. -Original Message- From: Ian Forrester [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 06 June 2008 16:41 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: RE: [backstage] Friday humour Some of these jokes are terrible! :) Ian Forrester This e-mail is: [x] private; [] ask first; [] bloggable Senior Producer, BBC Backstage Room 1044, BBC Manchester BH, Oxford Road, M60 1SJ email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] work: +44 (0)2080083965 mob: +44 (0)7711913293 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sean DALY Sent: 06 June 2008 11:33 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] Friday humour A skeleton walks into a bar. He says, "I'll have a pint... and a mop" - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ This message has been scanned for viruses by Viatel MailControl - http://viatel.mailcontrol.com/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
[backstage] RE: [backstage] RE: [backstage] R E: [backstage] Re: Is it OK for BT Vision to charge £3 per month for the iPlayer?
The way I read it was ... They are offering it as part of another service, so they're not charging for the BBC channels, you get those free, if you "buy" this other service. I might be wrong?? Still plenty of loop-holes here to setup a free "BBC+1" if a user subscribes to your "members only website":-) Im just guessing here though lol Gavin Pearce | Junior Web Developer | TBS The Columbia Centre, Market Street, Bracknell, RG12 1JG, United Kingdom Direct: +44 (0) 1344 403488 | Office: +44 (0) 1344 306011 | Fax: +44 (0) 1344 427138 MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Yahoo: pearce.gavin | Skype: tbs.gavin www.tbs.uk.com < http://www.tbs.uk.com/ <http://www.tbs.uk.com/> > TBS is a trading name of Technology Services International Limited. Registered in England, company number 2079459. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 09 June 2008 15:41 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: [backstage] RE: [backstage] RE: [backstage] Re: Is it OK for BT Vision to charge £3 per month for the iPlayer? If BT can, why can’t you or anyone else? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Brian Butterworth Sent: 09 June 2008 15:31 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] RE: [backstage] Re: Is it OK for BT Vision to charge £3 per month for the iPlayer? It turns out it isn't the iPlayer but the "higher quality" DVB-T recording that BT offer as part of their package. Although as they have no claim to copyright over them, it a bit hard to understand how they can charge extra for them, for example I couldn't record BBC one off-air, make a +1 of it and then transmit it via satellite and charge a fee for it. Could I? Or could I? 2008/6/9 Darren Stephens < [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >: I would suspect so, as they would likely claim that it is like any number of satellite channels bundled on sky, provided at zero cost, but only available as part of a package which includes other chargeable services. Marketing drones, don't you just love them… From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ] On Behalf Of Brian Butterworth Sent: Monday, June 09, 2008 1:09 PM To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk <mailto:backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk> Subject: [backstage] Re: Is it OK for BT Vision to charge £3 per month for the iPlayer? http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/7439652.stm <http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/7439652.stm> 2008/6/5 Brian Butterworth < [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >: According to http://www.thinkbroadband.com/news/3580-catch-up-tv-on-bt-vision-no-longer-f ree.html <http://www.thinkbroadband.com/news/3580-catch-up-tv-on-bt-vision-no-longer- free.html> "BT Vision now has a TV Replay Pack that costs £3 per month and covers the ... BBC iPlayer service." Is it OK for BT to charge for access to the free iPlayer? --- Brian Butterworth http://www.ukfree.tv <http://www.ukfree.tv> - independent digital television and switchover advice, since 2002 * To view the terms under which this email is distributed, please go to http://www.hull.ac.uk/legal/email_disclaimer.html <http://www.hull.ac.uk/legal/email_disclaimer.html> * -- Brian Butterworth http://www.ukfree.tv <http://www.ukfree.tv> - independent digital television and switchover advice, since 2002 This message has been scanned for viruses by <http://viatel.mailcontrol.com/> Viatel MailControl, a service from <http://www.viatel.com/> Viatel.
[backstage] RE: [backstage] RE: [backstage] RE: [backstage] RE: [backstage] RE: [backsta ge] Re: Is it OK for BT Vision to charge £3 per m onth for the iPlayer?
Have BT / Virgin got a license from the BBC for it then? - Gav -Original Message- From: Darren Stephens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 09 June 2008 17:02 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: [backstage] RE: [backstage] RE: [backstage] RE: [backstage] RE: [backstage] Re: Is it OK for BT Vision to charge £3 per month for the iPlayer? Apart from BT doing it under licence? From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gavin Pearce Sent: Monday, June 09, 2008 4:29 PM To: 'backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk' Subject: [backstage] RE: [backstage] RE: [backstage] RE: [backstage] Re: Is it OK for BT Vision to charge £3 per month for the iPlayer? The way I read it was ... They are offering it as part of another service, so they're not charging for the BBC channels, you get those free, if you "buy" this other service. I might be wrong?? Still plenty of loop-holes here to setup a free "BBC+1" if a user subscribes to your "members only website" :-) Im just guessing here though lol Gavin Pearce | Junior Web Developer | TBS The Columbia Centre, Market Street, Bracknell, RG12 1JG, United Kingdom Direct: +44 (0) 1344 403488 | Office: +44 (0) 1344 306011 | Fax: +44 (0) 1344 427138 MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Yahoo: pearce.gavin | Skype: tbs.gavin www.tbs.uk.com < http://www.tbs.uk.com/ <http://www.tbs.uk.com/> > TBS is a trading name of Technology Services International Limited. Registered in England, company number 2079459. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 09 June 2008 15:41 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: [backstage] RE: [backstage] RE: [backstage] Re: Is it OK for BT Vision to charge £3 per month for the iPlayer? If BT can, why can't you or anyone else? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Brian Butterworth Sent: 09 June 2008 15:31 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] RE: [backstage] Re: Is it OK for BT Vision to charge £3 per month for the iPlayer? It turns out it isn't the iPlayer but the "higher quality" DVB-T recording that BT offer as part of their package. Although as they have no claim to copyright over them, it a bit hard to understand how they can charge extra for them, for example I couldn't record BBC one off-air, make a +1 of it and then transmit it via satellite and charge a fee for it. Could I? Or could I? 2008/6/9 Darren Stephens < [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >: I would suspect so, as they would likely claim that it is like any number of satellite channels bundled on sky, provided at zero cost, but only available as part of a package which includes other chargeable services. Marketing drones, don't you just love them... From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ] On Behalf Of Brian Butterworth Sent: Monday, June 09, 2008 1:09 PM To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk <mailto:backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk> Subject: [backstage] Re: Is it OK for BT Vision to charge £3 per month for the iPlayer? http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/7439652.stm <http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/7439652.stm> 2008/6/5 Brian Butterworth < [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >: According to http://www.thinkbroadband.com/news/3580-catch-up-tv-on-bt-vision-no-longer-f ree.html <http://www.thinkbroadband.com/news/3580-catch-up-tv-on-bt-vision-no-longer- free.html> "BT Vision now has a TV Replay Pack that costs £3 per month and covers the ... BBC iPlayer service." Is it OK for BT to charge for access to the free iPlayer? --- Brian Butterworth http://www.ukfree.tv <http://www.ukfree.tv> - independent digital television and switchover advice, since 2002 * To view the terms under which this email is distributed, please go to http://www.hull.ac.uk/legal/email_disclaimer.html <http://www.hull.ac.uk/legal/email_disclaimer.html> * -- Brian Butterworth http://www.ukfree.tv <http://www.ukfree.tv> - independent digital television and switchover advice, since 2002 This message has been scanned for viruses by <http://viatel.mailcontrol.com/> Viatel MailControl, a service from <http://www.viatel.com/> Viatel. This message has been scanned for viruses by <http://viatel.mailcontrol.com/> Viatel MailControl, a service from <http://www.viatel.com/> Viatel. This message has been scanned for viruses by <http://viatel.mailcontrol.com/> Viatel MailControl, a service from <http://www.viatel.com/> Viatel.
RE: [backstage] Friday humour
You blatantly spent all weekend cooking that up! ;-) Gavin Pearce | Junior Web Developer | TBS The Columbia Centre, Market Street, Bracknell, RG12 1JG, United Kingdom Direct: +44 (0) 1344 403488 | Office: +44 (0) 1344 306011 | Fax: +44 (0) 1344 427138 MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Yahoo: pearce.gavin | Skype: tbs.gavin www.tbs.uk.com <http://www.tbs.uk.com/> TBS is a trading name of Technology Services International Limited. Registered in England, company number 2079459. -Original Message- From: Sean DALY [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 10 June 2008 11:58 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] Friday humour And an arrogant three legged donkey with one eye playing the piano while wearing shades? A hoity toity honky tonky plinky plonky winky wonky. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ This message has been scanned for viruses by Viatel MailControl - http://viatel.mailcontrol.com/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] RealPlayer banished Toady!
I agree with Brian, Real-player is a lot less 'free' in the terms you're thinking than Flash is. You don't get "upgrade to plus" announcements every five minutes for starters in Flash! However also agree with Christopher, Flash isn't anywhere near as supported on other platforms as Adobe like to make out. Gavin Pearce | Junior Web Developer | TBS The Columbia Centre, Market Street, Bracknell, RG12 1JG, United Kingdom Direct: +44 (0) 1344 403488 | Office: +44 (0) 1344 306011 | Fax: +44 (0) 1344 427138 MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Yahoo: pearce.gavin | Skype: tbs.gavin www.tbs.uk.com < http://www.tbs.uk.com/ <http://www.tbs.uk.com/> > TBS is a trading name of Technology Services International Limited. Registered in England, company number 2079459. -Original Message- From: Brian Butterworth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 13 June 2008 07:55 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] RealPlayer banished Toady! 2008/6/13 Fred Phillips < [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >: On Thu Jun 12 19:45:49 2008, Brian Butterworth wrote: > 2008/6/12 Fred Phillips < [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >: > > > On Thu Jun 12 07:35:20 2008, Brian Butterworth wrote: > > > 2008/6/12 Dogsbody < [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >: > > > > > > What strange install allows RealPlaer but not Flash? > > > > Er, free software ones. > > > http://www.adobe.com/shockwave/download/alternates/ <http://www.adobe.com/shockwave/download/alternates/> > > has > > Linux x86, Solaris, Pocket PC and HP-UX versions as well as Windows > 98/ME/2000/XP/Vista and MacOS/X So? They still aren't free. They don't cost anything at all to the consumer. That's "free" is the prtacicable sense. RealPlayer is, if you mean free-software, is much less free. Anyway, Flash is now "free" in the sense you mean, isn't it? -- Brian Butterworth http://www.ukfree.tv <http://www.ukfree.tv> - independent digital television and switchover advice, since 2002 This message has been scanned for viruses by <http://viatel.mailcontrol.com/> Viatel MailControl, a service from <http://www.viatel.com/> Viatel.
RE: [backstage] RealPlayer banished Toady!
Not had a huge experience of Linux GUIs have to admit, mainly a command line guy, though randomly I am putting Ubuntu on me old Laptop tonight (doesn't that sound like a cool Friday evening out!), so shall give it a whirl and let you know.;-) Gavin Pearce | Junior Web Developer | TBS The Columbia Centre, Market Street, Bracknell, RG12 1JG, United Kingdom Direct: +44 (0) 1344 403488 | Office: +44 (0) 1344 306011 | Fax: +44 (0) 1344 427138 MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Yahoo: pearce.gavin | Skype: tbs.gavin www.tbs.uk.com < http://www.tbs.uk.com/ <http://www.tbs.uk.com/> > TBS is a trading name of Technology Services International Limited. Registered in England, company number 2079459. -Original Message- From: Andrew Bowden [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 13 June 2008 09:42 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: RE: [backstage] RealPlayer banished Toady! You need the Linux version of Real Player. Much nicer and no nagging! Built on the open source Helix Player. Of course you would also need to change your operating system ;) _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gavin Pearce Sent: 13 June 2008 09:26 To: 'backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk' Subject: RE: [backstage] RealPlayer banished Toady! I agree with Brian, Real-player is a lot less 'free' in the terms you're thinking than Flash is. You don't get "upgrade to plus" announcements every five minutes for starters in Flash! However also agree with Christopher, Flash isn't anywhere near as supported on other platforms as Adobe like to make out. Gavin Pearce | Junior Web Developer | TBS The Columbia Centre, Market Street, Bracknell, RG12 1JG, United Kingdom Direct: +44 (0) 1344 403488 | Office: +44 (0) 1344 306011 | Fax: +44 (0) 1344 427138 MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Yahoo: pearce.gavin | Skype: tbs.gavin www.tbs.uk.com < http://www.tbs.uk.com/ <http://www.tbs.uk.com/> > TBS is a trading name of Technology Services International Limited. Registered in England, company number 2079459. -Original Message- From: Brian Butterworth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 13 June 2008 07:55 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] RealPlayer banished Toady! 2008/6/13 Fred Phillips < [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >: On Thu Jun 12 19:45:49 2008, Brian Butterworth wrote: > 2008/6/12 Fred Phillips < [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >: > > > On Thu Jun 12 07:35:20 2008, Brian Butterworth wrote: > > > 2008/6/12 Dogsbody < [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >: > > > > > > What strange install allows RealPlaer but not Flash? > > > > Er, free software ones. > > > http://www.adobe.com/shockwave/download/alternates/ <http://www.adobe.com/shockwave/download/alternates/> > > has > > Linux x86, Solaris, Pocket PC and HP-UX versions as well as Windows > 98/ME/2000/XP/Vista and MacOS/X So? They still aren't free. They don't cost anything at all to the consumer. That's "free" is the prtacicable sense. RealPlayer is, if you mean free-software, is much less free. Anyway, Flash is now "free" in the sense you mean, isn't it? -- Brian Butterworth http://www.ukfree.tv <http://www.ukfree.tv> - independent digital television and switchover advice, since 2002 This message has been scanned for viruses by <http://viatel.mailcontrol.com/> Viatel MailControl, a service from <http://www.viatel.com/> Viatel. This message has been scanned for viruses by <http://viatel.mailcontrol.com/> Viatel MailControl, a service from <http://www.viatel.com/> Viatel. This message has been scanned for viruses by <http://viatel.mailcontrol.com/> Viatel MailControl, a service from <http://www.viatel.com/> Viatel.
RE: [backstage] RealPlayer banished Toady!
It can be done in Windows, not by standard you have a point, but with other applications. Gavin Pearce | Junior Web Developer | TBS The Columbia Centre, Market Street, Bracknell, RG12 1JG, United Kingdom Direct: +44 (0) 1344 403488 | Office: +44 (0) 1344 306011 | Fax: +44 (0) 1344 427138 MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Yahoo: pearce.gavin | Skype: tbs.gavin www.tbs.uk.com < http://www.tbs.uk.com/ <http://www.tbs.uk.com/> > TBS is a trading name of Technology Services International Limited. Registered in England, company number 2079459. -Original Message- From: Adam [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 13 June 2008 11:42 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] RealPlayer banished Toady! [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Can Flash be reduced to a controllable toolbar on your start bar, and can it be told to stay on top of other windows ... both features that I for one use a lot with WMP and (OMG) RP as well. I think this can be done using AIR, but i haven't had a chance to play with creating my own AIR application yet. Adam This message has been scanned for viruses by <http://viatel.mailcontrol.com/> Viatel MailControl, a service from <http://www.viatel.com/> Viatel.
RE: [backstage] How legal is ... uktv2c.com
It just don't sound right when you read that website. You know when the copy writing just makes a company sound really dodgy/sus . "Because of the one to one connection offered by the Sling Box this service is not in any contradiction to any of the existing viewing laws in the UK. You may have seen similar services advertised, we are aware just as you are that they do not work, that is why our prices are more realistic as we have to provide you with the very best technology to ensure the very best picture quality." Sounds like a little kids done the copy. And what sort of name is UK TV 2 C anyway. Any company that can't spell 'see' correctly, or uses a Z at the end of it's name to try and sound cool, I steer well away from. =) Gav Gavin Pearce | Junior Web Developer | TBS The Columbia Centre, Market Street, Bracknell, RG12 1JG, United Kingdom Direct: +44 (0) 1344 403488 | Office: +44 (0) 1344 306011 | Fax: +44 (0) 1344 427138 MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Yahoo: pearce.gavin | Skype: tbs.gavin www.tbs.uk.com < http://www.tbs.uk.com/ <http://www.tbs.uk.com/> > TBS is a trading name of Technology Services International Limited. Registered in England, company number 2079459. -Original Message- From: Brian Butterworth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 16 June 2008 09:11 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: [backstage] How legal is ... uktv2c.com Another wheeze, this time using the Slingbox software, to *charge* for the BBC and other broadcasters online. http://www.uktv2c.com/ <http://www.uktv2c.com/> Seems to be a server centre with some slingboxes. £200 + £60pm to connect it to a Freeview box, £460+ £60pm+package fees to connect it to a Sky box! But cruder than zattoo, but my question is either or both legal? -- Brian Butterworth This message has been scanned for viruses by <http://viatel.mailcontrol.com/> Viatel MailControl, a service from <http://www.viatel.com/> Viatel.
RE: [backstage] List admin
Hey Adam, Is it possible you can play with [EMAIL PROTECTED] email auto-responder for us? He's currently replying to every email on a large mailing list with his Out of Office, and his Out of Office is then replying to his Out of Office etc ... If possible can you stop the auto-responder from sending replies to any email with this in the subject line: [backstage] Thanks Adam, would be much appreciated! (Nat - Thought I'd try this method, I have no idea who/how often a list admin checks this list =) Cheers, - Gavin Gavin Pearce | Junior Web Developer | TBS The Columbia Centre, Market Street, Bracknell, RG12 1JG, United Kingdom Direct: +44 (0) 1344 403488 | Office: +44 (0) 1344 306011 | Fax: +44 (0) 1344 427138 MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Yahoo: pearce.gavin | Skype: tbs.gavin www.tbs.uk.com <http://www.tbs.uk.com/> TBS is a trading name of Technology Services International Limited. Registered in England, company number 2079459. -Original Message- From: Morris, Nat [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 16 June 2008 09:59 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [backstage] List admin Hi, Is someone able to get [EMAIL PROTECTED] taken off the list to stop their autoresponder bot flooding the list? Its replying to every post and itself! Cheers, Nat, -- Nat Morris. [EMAIL PROTECTED] ** This document should only be read by those persons to whom it is addressed, and be used by them for its intended purpose; and must not otherwise be reproduced, copied, disseminated, disclosed, modified, distributed, published or actioned. If you have received this email in error, please notify us immediately by telephone on 01437 775882 and delete it from your computer immediately. This email address must not be passed on to any third party nor be used for any other purpose. Pembrokeshire County Council Website - http://www.pembrokeshire.gov.uk This signature also confirms that this email message has been swept for the presence of computer viruses and malicious code. *** Dim ond y sawl y mae'r ddogfen hon wedi'i chyfeirio atynt ddylai ei darllen, a'i defnyddio ganddynt ar gyfer ei dibenion bwriadedig; ac ni ddylid fel arall ei hatgynhyrchu, copio, lledaenu, datgelu, addasu, dosbarthu, cyhoeddi na'i rhoi ar waith chwaith. Os ydych chi wedi derbyn yr e-bost hwn trwy gamgymeriad, byddwch cystal a rhoi gwybod i ni ar unwaith trwy ffonio 01437 775882 a'i ddileu oddi ar eich cyfrifiadur ar unwaith. Ni ddylid rhoi'r cyfeiriad e-bost i unrhyw drydydd parti na'i ddefnyddio ar gyfer unrhyw ddiben arall chwaith. Gwefan Cyngor Sir Penfro - http://www.pembrokeshire.gov.uk Mae'r llofnod hwn hefyd yn cadarnhau bod y neges e-bost hon wedi cael ei harchwilio am fodolaeth firysau cyfrifiadurol a chod maleisus. *** - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ This message has been scanned for viruses by Viatel MailControl - http://viatel.mailcontrol.com/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] List admin
Hey Adam, Please read my original email below. Everyone else - sorry for sending this twice, he had it down as fat-man-collective.co.uk in the domain name, it's actually .com! ;-) Cheers, - Gav Gavin Pearce | Junior Web Developer | TBS The Columbia Centre, Market Street, Bracknell, RG12 1JG, United Kingdom Direct: +44 (0) 1344 403488 | Office: +44 (0) 1344 306011 | Fax: +44 (0) 1344 427138 MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Yahoo: pearce.gavin | Skype: tbs.gavin www.tbs.uk.com <http://www.tbs.uk.com/> TBS is a trading name of Technology Services International Limited. Registered in England, company number 2079459. -Original Message- From: Gavin Pearce Sent: 16 June 2008 10:06 To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk' Subject: RE: [backstage] List admin Hey Adam, Is it possible you can play with [EMAIL PROTECTED] email auto-responder for us? He's currently replying to every email on a large mailing list with his Out of Office, and his Out of Office is then replying to his Out of Office etc ... If possible can you stop the auto-responder from sending replies to any email with this in the subject line: [backstage] Thanks Adam, would be much appreciated! (Nat - Thought I'd try this method, I have no idea who/how often a list admin checks this list =) Cheers, - Gavin Gavin Pearce | Junior Web Developer | TBS The Columbia Centre, Market Street, Bracknell, RG12 1JG, United Kingdom Direct: +44 (0) 1344 403488 | Office: +44 (0) 1344 306011 | Fax: +44 (0) 1344 427138 MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Yahoo: pearce.gavin | Skype: tbs.gavin www.tbs.uk.com <http://www.tbs.uk.com/> TBS is a trading name of Technology Services International Limited. Registered in England, company number 2079459. -Original Message- From: Morris, Nat [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 16 June 2008 09:59 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [backstage] List admin Hi, Is someone able to get [EMAIL PROTECTED] taken off the list to stop their autoresponder bot flooding the list? Its replying to every post and itself! Cheers, Nat, -- Nat Morris. [EMAIL PROTECTED] ** This document should only be read by those persons to whom it is addressed, and be used by them for its intended purpose; and must not otherwise be reproduced, copied, disseminated, disclosed, modified, distributed, published or actioned. If you have received this email in error, please notify us immediately by telephone on 01437 775882 and delete it from your computer immediately. This email address must not be passed on to any third party nor be used for any other purpose. Pembrokeshire County Council Website - http://www.pembrokeshire.gov.uk This signature also confirms that this email message has been swept for the presence of computer viruses and malicious code. *** Dim ond y sawl y mae'r ddogfen hon wedi'i chyfeirio atynt ddylai ei darllen, a'i defnyddio ganddynt ar gyfer ei dibenion bwriadedig; ac ni ddylid fel arall ei hatgynhyrchu, copio, lledaenu, datgelu, addasu, dosbarthu, cyhoeddi na'i rhoi ar waith chwaith. Os ydych chi wedi derbyn yr e-bost hwn trwy gamgymeriad, byddwch cystal a rhoi gwybod i ni ar unwaith trwy ffonio 01437 775882 a'i ddileu oddi ar eich cyfrifiadur ar unwaith. Ni ddylid rhoi'r cyfeiriad e-bost i unrhyw drydydd parti na'i ddefnyddio ar gyfer unrhyw ddiben arall chwaith. Gwefan Cyngor Sir Penfro - http://www.pembrokeshire.gov.uk Mae'r llofnod hwn hefyd yn cadarnhau bod y neges e-bost hon wedi cael ei harchwilio am fodolaeth firysau cyfrifiadurol a chod maleisus. *** - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ This message has been scanned for viruses by Viatel MailControl - http://viatel.mailcontrol.com/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] List admin
Hey Adam, Please read my original email below. Everyone else - sorry for sending this twice, he had it down as fat-man-collective.co.uk in the domain name, it's actually .com! ;-) Cheers, - Gav Gavin Pearce | Junior Web Developer | TBS The Columbia Centre, Market Street, Bracknell, RG12 1JG, United Kingdom Direct: +44 (0) 1344 403488 | Office: +44 (0) 1344 306011 | Fax: +44 (0) 1344 427138 MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Yahoo: pearce.gavin | Skype: tbs.gavin www.tbs.uk.com <http://www.tbs.uk.com/> TBS is a trading name of Technology Services International Limited. Registered in England, company number 2079459. -Original Message- From: Gavin Pearce Sent: 16 June 2008 10:06 To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk' Subject: RE: [backstage] List admin Hey Adam, Is it possible you can play with [EMAIL PROTECTED] email auto-responder for us? He's currently replying to every email on a large mailing list with his Out of Office, and his Out of Office is then replying to his Out of Office etc ... If possible can you stop the auto-responder from sending replies to any email with this in the subject line: [backstage] Thanks Adam, would be much appreciated! (Nat - Thought I'd try this method, I have no idea who/how often a list admin checks this list =) Cheers, - Gavin Gavin Pearce | Junior Web Developer | TBS The Columbia Centre, Market Street, Bracknell, RG12 1JG, United Kingdom Direct: +44 (0) 1344 403488 | Office: +44 (0) 1344 306011 | Fax: +44 (0) 1344 427138 MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Yahoo: pearce.gavin | Skype: tbs.gavin www.tbs.uk.com <http://www.tbs.uk.com/> TBS is a trading name of Technology Services International Limited. Registered in England, company number 2079459. -Original Message- From: Morris, Nat [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 16 June 2008 09:59 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [backstage] List admin Hi, Is someone able to get [EMAIL PROTECTED] taken off the list to stop their autoresponder bot flooding the list? Its replying to every post and itself! Cheers, Nat, -- Nat Morris. [EMAIL PROTECTED] ** This document should only be read by those persons to whom it is addressed, and be used by them for its intended purpose; and must not otherwise be reproduced, copied, disseminated, disclosed, modified, distributed, published or actioned. If you have received this email in error, please notify us immediately by telephone on 01437 775882 and delete it from your computer immediately. This email address must not be passed on to any third party nor be used for any other purpose. Pembrokeshire County Council Website - http://www.pembrokeshire.gov.uk This signature also confirms that this email message has been swept for the presence of computer viruses and malicious code. *** Dim ond y sawl y mae'r ddogfen hon wedi'i chyfeirio atynt ddylai ei darllen, a'i defnyddio ganddynt ar gyfer ei dibenion bwriadedig; ac ni ddylid fel arall ei hatgynhyrchu, copio, lledaenu, datgelu, addasu, dosbarthu, cyhoeddi na'i rhoi ar waith chwaith. Os ydych chi wedi derbyn yr e-bost hwn trwy gamgymeriad, byddwch cystal a rhoi gwybod i ni ar unwaith trwy ffonio 01437 775882 a'i ddileu oddi ar eich cyfrifiadur ar unwaith. Ni ddylid rhoi'r cyfeiriad e-bost i unrhyw drydydd parti na'i ddefnyddio ar gyfer unrhyw ddiben arall chwaith. Gwefan Cyngor Sir Penfro - http://www.pembrokeshire.gov.uk Mae'r llofnod hwn hefyd yn cadarnhau bod y neges e-bost hon wedi cael ei harchwilio am fodolaeth firysau cyfrifiadurol a chod maleisus. *** - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ This message has been scanned for viruses by Viatel MailControl - http://viatel.mailcontrol.com/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] List admin
Hey Adam,
Thank you. Very much appreciated I assure you.
Cheers,
- Gavin
Gavin Pearce | Junior Web Developer | TBS
The Columbia Centre, Market Street, Bracknell, RG12 1JG, United Kingdom
Direct: +44 (0) 1344 403488 | Office: +44 (0) 1344 306011 | Fax: +44 (0)
1344 427138
MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Yahoo: pearce.gavin | Skype: tbs.gavin
www.tbs.uk.com < http://www.tbs.uk.com/ <http://www.tbs.uk.com/> >
TBS is a trading name of Technology Services International Limited.
Registered in England, company number 2079459.
-Original Message-
From: Adam Martin {Fat Man} [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 16 June 2008 10:22
To: Gavin Pearce
Cc: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'; 'backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk'
Subject: Re: [backstage] List admin
Gavin,
Will sort this now. Apologies.
Adam
On 16 Jun 2008, at 10:09, Gavin Pearce wrote:
Hey Adam,
Please read my original email below.
Everyone else - sorry for sending this twice, he had it down as
fat-man-collective.co.uk in the domain name, it's actually .com! ;-)
Cheers,
- Gav
Gavin Pearce | Junior Web Developer | TBS
The Columbia Centre, Market Street, Bracknell, RG12 1JG, United Kingdom
Direct: +44 (0) 1344 403488 | Office: +44 (0) 1344 306011 | Fax: +44 (0)
1344 427138
MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> |
Yahoo: pearce.gavin | Skype: tbs.gavin
www.tbs.uk.com < http://www.tbs.uk.com/ <http://www.tbs.uk.com/> >
TBS is a trading name of Technology Services International Limited.
Registered in England, company number 2079459.
-Original Message-
From: Gavin Pearce
Sent: 16 June 2008 10:06
To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED] '
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
; 'backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk '
Subject: RE: [backstage] List admin
Hey Adam,
Is it possible you can play with [EMAIL PROTECTED]
<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> email
auto-responder for us?
He's currently replying to every email on a large mailing list with his Out
of Office, and his Out of Office is then replying to his Out of Office etc
...
If possible can you stop the auto-responder from sending replies to any
email with this in the subject line: [backstage]
Thanks Adam, would be much appreciated!
(Nat - Thought I'd try this method, I have no idea who/how often a list
admin checks this list =)
Cheers,
- Gavin
Gavin Pearce | Junior Web Developer | TBS
The Columbia Centre, Market Street, Bracknell, RG12 1JG, United Kingdom
Direct: +44 (0) 1344 403488 | Office: +44 (0) 1344 306011 | Fax: +44 (0)
1344 427138
MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> |
Yahoo: pearce.gavin | Skype: tbs.gavin
www.tbs.uk.com < http://www.tbs.uk.com/ <http://www.tbs.uk.com/> >
TBS is a trading name of Technology Services International Limited.
Registered in England, company number 2079459.
-Original Message-
From: Morris, Nat [ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ]
Sent: 16 June 2008 09:59
To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk <mailto:backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk>
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [backstage] List admin
Hi,
Is someone able to get [EMAIL PROTECTED]
<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> taken off the list to
stop their autoresponder bot flooding the list?
Its replying to every post and itself!
Cheers,
Nat,
--
Nat Morris.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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RE: [backstage] List admin
Agreed with Chris, they turned off their auto-responder most apologetically after realising. =) Gavin Pearce | Junior Web Developer | TBS The Columbia Centre, Market Street, Bracknell, RG12 1JG, United Kingdom Direct: +44 (0) 1344 403488 | Office: +44 (0) 1344 306011 | Fax: +44 (0) 1344 427138 MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Yahoo: pearce.gavin | Skype: tbs.gavin www.tbs.uk.com <http://www.tbs.uk.com/> TBS is a trading name of Technology Services International Limited. Registered in England, company number 2079459. -Original Message- From: Christopher Woods [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 17 June 2008 04:14 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: RE: [backstage] List admin > I have removed the email address. > > Sorry for the delay in this people. The bloke came onto the list, apologised and disabled the autoresponder... You may have just kicked a valid user off the list :) - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ This message has been scanned for viruses by Viatel MailControl - http://viatel.mailcontrol.com/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
[backstage] Conference calls
Good day to you lovely people =), Bit of topic I do apologise, but might be able to point me in the right direction. Conference calls, we all love to hate them. We're a small business and sometimes find ourselves getting asked if we can set-up a conference call. We don't get asked often enough to warrant paying for a monthly subscription, so has to be something on the fly. conferencegenie.co.uk looks good, but you can't password protect a room, which is a bit of an issue in my opinion. If you picked the same room number as someone else, you would get very confused! Any suggestions or ideas? Cheers, - Gav Gavin Pearce | Junior Web Developer | TBS The Columbia Centre, Market Street, Bracknell, RG12 1JG, United Kingdom Direct: +44 (0) 1344 403488 | Office: +44 (0) 1344 306011 | Fax: +44 (0) 1344 427138 MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Yahoo: pearce.gavin | Skype: tbs.gavin www.tbs.uk.com < http://www.tbs.uk.com/ <http://www.tbs.uk.com/> > TBS is a trading name of Technology Services International Limited. Registered in England, company number 2079459. -Original Message- From: Andrew Bowden [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 02 July 2008 15:47 To: Andrew Bowden; backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: RE: [backstage] New Government APIs (plus win 20k to develop your mashup idea) In fact there's some debate on this from 2005 on the backstage website http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/ideas/archives/2005/05/league_tables.html <http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/ideas/archives/2005/05/league_tables.html> _ From: Andrew Bowden Sent: 02 July 2008 15:46 To: 'backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk' Subject: RE: [backstage] New Government APIs (plus win 20k to develop your mashup idea) I'm not sure you'll find anything free - as I recall there were a several incidents a few years ago where the data owners went after websites who were putting tables and fixtures up without paying a licence fee. But you never know. _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rafiq Swash Sent: 02 July 2008 15:26 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] New Government APIs (plus win 20k to develop your mashup idea) Thank you very much Adam ! I will try to contact to FA or other premier league Co. lets see if I can find a free source. I have been looking for a source, where I can read All football clubs and national teams and football score information via web services. However, I could not find one yet. I can use Wiki to get football players details but I need to a free source, where I can get football scores and league table info. I cannot effort paying for this as the website is not commercial website. it is just a football discussion sites, where all friends and football fan can have their talks. regards, Rafiq From: Adam <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2008 3:14 PM To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk <mailto:backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk> Subject: Re: [backstage] New Government APIs (plus win 20k to develop your mashup idea) I doubt you have very little chance with the BBC as i think they republished information maintained by a third party who have very strict distribution rules. Your probably better trying to talk to the FA. Alternativly there is the following message at the bottom of the fixture list, however its probably very expensive to purchase the rights. Copyright © and Database Right 2008[/9] The Football Association Premier League Ltd / The Football League Ltd / The Scottish Premier League Ltd / The Scottish Football League. All rights reserved. No part of this publication may be reproduced, stored in a retrieval system or transmitted in any way or by any means, (including photocopying, recording or storing it in any medium by electronic means), without the written permission of the copyright/database right owner. Applications for written permission should be addressed c/o Football DataCo Ltd, 30 Gloucester Place, London W1U 8PL. Rafiq Swash wrote: I am building a football discussion website. I would like to use BBC API to retrieve football scores and also league tables. Is there anyone who can give a little tip please. thank you regards, Rafiq From: Adam <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hatia Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2008 2:25 PM To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk <mailto:backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk> Subject: RE: [backstage] New Government APIs (plus win 20k to develop your mashup idea) On the subject of open maps (or not so in the case of the OS), you might be interested in this project: http://openstreetmap.org/ <http://openstreetmap.org/> (the idea being to create open & free to use street map data) _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ] On Behalf Of Brian Butterworth Sent: 02 July 2008 12:02 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk <ma
RE: [backstage] Search yourself
Internet Explorer ActiveX - nice! Going to scrap Ruby and PHP straight away and use this and ASP on my next site! Please show me the ways Brian so I can become a master! Gavin Pearce | Junior Web Developer | TBS The Columbia Centre, Market Street, Bracknell, RG12 1JG, United Kingdom Direct: +44 (0) 1344 403488 | Office: +44 (0) 1344 306011 | Fax: +44 (0) 1344 427138 MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Yahoo: pearce.gavin | Skype: tbs.gavin www.tbs.uk.com < http://www.tbs.uk.com/ <http://www.tbs.uk.com/> > TBS is a trading name of Technology Services International Limited. Registered in England, company number 2079459. -Original Message- From: Brian Butterworth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 20 August 2008 10:00 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] Search yourself 2008/8/19 Barry Carlyon < [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Even if it is flash it does look good, similar to piclens in how it works, I'm surprised its not by the same people. I wonder who they are using to get the screen shots I thought the way to do this is to use the Internet Explorer ActiveX control to render the page, and then save the bitmap content? -- Brian Butterworth http://www.ukfree.tv <http://www.ukfree.tv> - independent digital television and switchover advice, since 2002 This message has been scanned for viruses by <http://viatel.mailcontrol.com/> Viatel MailControl, a service from <http://www.viatel.com/> Viatel.
RE: [backstage] Search yourself
Haha!;-) Gavin Pearce | Junior Web Developer | TBS The Columbia Centre, Market Street, Bracknell, RG12 1JG, United Kingdom Direct: +44 (0) 1344 403488 | Office: +44 (0) 1344 306011 | Fax: +44 (0) 1344 427138 MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Yahoo: pearce.gavin | Skype: tbs.gavin www.tbs.uk.com < http://www.tbs.uk.com/ <http://www.tbs.uk.com/> > TBS is a trading name of Technology Services International Limited. Registered in England, company number 2079459. -Original Message- From: Brian Butterworth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 20 August 2008 10:46 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] Search yourself ASP? I would rather eat my own excrement. If you have a "search engine" I am sure you can afford to have a Windows server in there somewhere with, say, VB.NET <http://VB.NET> and an IE control. It's about twenty lines of VB to get a URL from a queue, send it to the IE control, wait for it to complete the loading, grab the control's image and JPEG it. I'm sure it would be far too slow to do it in real time. Not quite so sure how you would then identify where the words are on the page though. 2008/8/20 Gavin Pearce < [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Internet Explorer ActiveX - nice! Going to scrap Ruby and PHP straight away and use this and ASP on my next site! Please show me the ways Brian so I can become a master! Gavin Pearce | Junior Web Developer | TBS The Columbia Centre, Market Street, Bracknell, RG12 1JG, United Kingdom Direct: +44 (0) 1344 403488 | Office: +44 (0) 1344 306011 | Fax: +44 (0) 1344 427138 MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> | Yahoo: pearce.gavin | Skype: tbs.gavin www.tbs.uk.com <http://www.tbs.uk.com> < http://www.tbs.uk.com/ <http://www.tbs.uk.com/> > TBS is a trading name of Technology Services International Limited. Registered in England, company number 2079459. -Original Message- From: Brian Butterworth [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ] Sent: 20 August 2008 10:00 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk <mailto:backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk> Subject: Re: [backstage] Search yourself 2008/8/19 Barry Carlyon < [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Even if it is flash it does look good, similar to piclens in how it works, I'm surprised its not by the same people. I wonder who they are using to get the screen shots I thought the way to do this is to use the Internet Explorer ActiveX control to render the page, and then save the bitmap content? -- Brian Butterworth http://www.ukfree.tv <http://www.ukfree.tv> - independent digital television and switchover advice, since 2002 This message has been scanned for viruses by <http://viatel.mailcontrol.com/> Viatel MailControl, a service from <http://www.viatel.com/> Viatel. This message has been scanned for viruses by <http://viatel.mailcontrol.com/> Viatel MailControl, a service from <http://www.viatel.com/> Viatel. -- Please email me back if you need any more help. Brian Butterworth http://www.ukfree.tv <http://www.ukfree.tv> - independent digital television and switchover advice, since 2002 This message has been scanned for viruses by <http://viatel.mailcontrol.com/> Viatel MailControl, a service from <http://www.viatel.com/> Viatel.
RE: [backstage] "Greedy BBC Blocks External Links"
Keep it all server-side is what I say J. Won't affect the SEO, and won't limit users without JS. However the OnClick would almost achieve the same I guess ... Gavin Pearce | Web Developer | TBS The Columbia Centre, Market Street, Bracknell, RG12 1JG, United Kingdom Direct: +44 (0) 1344 403488 | Office: +44 (0) 1344 306011 | Fax: +44 (0) 1344 427138 MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Yahoo: pearce.gavin http://www.tbs.uk.com TBS is a trading name of Technology Services International Limited. Registered in England, company number 2079459. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Butterworth Sent: 04 November 2008 10:32 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] "Greedy BBC Blocks External Links" 2008/11/4 Gavin Pearce <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> "I might be being a bit blond here, but why even the need to have "rel=nofollow" at all? It is supposed to be there to stop automatic and commercial links polluting search engine rankings." ** Sorry I meant within the BBC related links section specifically. My bad for not making it clear. Exactly Brian, I think we are on the same page ... my point is why does the BBC need to make use of JavaScript, or NoFollow tags for links to "key" sites related to the story in hand? I can see a good point about using a redirector as you can use it a) test to see if the link is broken; and b) count the number of times it get used. I keep thinking of using a bit of "onclick=..." with an AJAX routine to do the testing and counting. It is a simple matter of returning a true value to allow the link to activate. I guess if it broken you could return false... End-user generated content is a different matter ... Gavin Pearce | Web Developer | TBS The Columbia Centre, Market Street, Bracknell, RG12 1JG, United Kingdom Direct: +44 (0) 1344 403488 | Office: +44 (0) 1344 306011 | Fax: +44 (0) 1344 427138 MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Yahoo: pearce.gavin http://www.tbs.uk.com TBS is a trading name of Technology Services International Limited. Registered in England, company number 2079459. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Butterworth Sent: 04 November 2008 10:12 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] "Greedy BBC Blocks External Links" 2008/11/4 Gavin Pearce <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I might be being a bit blond here, but why even the need to have "rel=nofollow" at all? It is supposed to be there to stop automatic and commercial links polluting search engine rankings. I can understand on "user" generated content, but when it's a link to a relevant and respected website on the topic in hand, than that isn't a good or valid reason to use the "nofollow" syntax. In fact as stated already, that's a large part in how the big search engines work. Google isn't likely to start penalising the BBC site as it's no doubt on a "respected site" / "white list" somewhere else within the Google system... But that isn't, to be fair, the issue. The issue is that even if the BBC decides to link to an external site, if it uses either the methods described, a visiting user will get there, but a search engine will dismiss it. Incoming links are useful for SEO and to have them turned off from the BBC is a big problem. Last time I had a link from a major BBC page to my site, my usual traffic (and ad revenue) tripled for three days. But the link did not boost any search engine ratings. Gavin Pearce | Web Developer | TBS The Columbia Centre, Market Street, Bracknell, RG12 1JG, United Kingdom Direct: +44 (0) 1344 403488 | Office: +44 (0) 1344 306011 | Fax: +44 (0) 1344 427138 MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Yahoo: pearce.gavin http://www.tbs.uk.com TBS is a trading name of Technology Services International Limited. Registered in England, company number 2079459. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Martin Belam Sent: 04 November 2008 09:36 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] "Greedy BBC
RE: [backstage] "Greedy BBC Blocks External Links"
"I might be being a bit blond here, but why even the need to have "rel=nofollow" at all? It is supposed to be there to stop automatic and commercial links polluting search engine rankings." ** Sorry I meant within the BBC related links section specifically. My bad for not making it clear. Exactly Brian, I think we are on the same page ... my point is why does the BBC need to make use of JavaScript, or NoFollow tags for links to "key" sites related to the story in hand? End-user generated content is a different matter ... Gavin Pearce | Web Developer | TBS The Columbia Centre, Market Street, Bracknell, RG12 1JG, United Kingdom Direct: +44 (0) 1344 403488 | Office: +44 (0) 1344 306011 | Fax: +44 (0) 1344 427138 MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Yahoo: pearce.gavin http://www.tbs.uk.com TBS is a trading name of Technology Services International Limited. Registered in England, company number 2079459. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Butterworth Sent: 04 November 2008 10:12 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] "Greedy BBC Blocks External Links" 2008/11/4 Gavin Pearce <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I might be being a bit blond here, but why even the need to have "rel=nofollow" at all? It is supposed to be there to stop automatic and commercial links polluting search engine rankings. I can understand on "user" generated content, but when it's a link to a relevant and respected website on the topic in hand, than that isn't a good or valid reason to use the "nofollow" syntax. In fact as stated already, that's a large part in how the big search engines work. Google isn't likely to start penalising the BBC site as it's no doubt on a "respected site" / "white list" somewhere else within the Google system... But that isn't, to be fair, the issue. The issue is that even if the BBC decides to link to an external site, if it uses either the methods described, a visiting user will get there, but a search engine will dismiss it. Incoming links are useful for SEO and to have them turned off from the BBC is a big problem. Last time I had a link from a major BBC page to my site, my usual traffic (and ad revenue) tripled for three days. But the link did not boost any search engine ratings. Gavin Pearce | Web Developer | TBS The Columbia Centre, Market Street, Bracknell, RG12 1JG, United Kingdom Direct: +44 (0) 1344 403488 | Office: +44 (0) 1344 306011 | Fax: +44 (0) 1344 427138 MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Yahoo: pearce.gavin http://www.tbs.uk.com TBS is a trading name of Technology Services International Limited. Registered in England, company number 2079459. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Martin Belam Sent: 04 November 2008 09:36 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] "Greedy BBC Blocks External Links" I don't think it is "evil", and as I've pointed out on their blog and on Sphinn, since Patrick at Blogstorm himself applies "nofollow" to all outbound links it is a little rich to be complaining that the BBC doesn't provide 'trusted' links. Interesting point about how Google can be expected to run a trusted link based algorithm in the future, but lets not forget it was the search engines that concocted "nofollow" themselves, and Google is these days notorious for penalising sites in the rankings that it 'believes' are displaying paid links that are not clearly marked as advertising. I've blogged a little about the Blogstorm post as well - http://www.currybet.net/cbet_blog/2008/11/bbc_news_clumsy_linking.php cheers, martin - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ This message has been scanned for viruses by Viatel MailControl - http://viatel.mailcontrol.com/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ -- Brian Butterworth follow me on twitter: http://twitter.com/briantist web: http://www.ukfree.tv - independent digital television and switchover advice, since 2002 This message has been scanned for viruses by Viatel MailControl <http://viatel.mailcontrol.com/> , a service from Viatel <http://www.viatel.com/> .
RE: [backstage] "Greedy BBC Blocks External Links"
I might be being a bit blond here, but why even the need to have "rel=nofollow" at all? I can understand on "user" generated content, but when it's a link to a relevant and respected website on the topic in hand, than that isn't a good or valid reason to use the "nofollow" syntax. In fact as stated already, that's a large part in how the big search engines work. Google isn't likely to start penalising the BBC site as it's no doubt on a "respected site" / "white list" somewhere else within the Google system... Gavin Pearce | Web Developer | TBS The Columbia Centre, Market Street, Bracknell, RG12 1JG, United Kingdom Direct: +44 (0) 1344 403488 | Office: +44 (0) 1344 306011 | Fax: +44 (0) 1344 427138 MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Yahoo: pearce.gavin http://www.tbs.uk.com TBS is a trading name of Technology Services International Limited. Registered in England, company number 2079459. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Martin Belam Sent: 04 November 2008 09:36 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] "Greedy BBC Blocks External Links" I don't think it is "evil", and as I've pointed out on their blog and on Sphinn, since Patrick at Blogstorm himself applies "nofollow" to all outbound links it is a little rich to be complaining that the BBC doesn't provide 'trusted' links. Interesting point about how Google can be expected to run a trusted link based algorithm in the future, but lets not forget it was the search engines that concocted "nofollow" themselves, and Google is these days notorious for penalising sites in the rankings that it 'believes' are displaying paid links that are not clearly marked as advertising. I've blogged a little about the Blogstorm post as well - http://www.currybet.net/cbet_blog/2008/11/bbc_news_clumsy_linking.php cheers, martin - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ This message has been scanned for viruses by Viatel MailControl - http://viatel.mailcontrol.com/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] video cameras + sailing dingies
Didn't know anyone here sailed! I should have guessed at least one of you cunning bunch did! Where you based, anywhere near the Dorset part of this world? Gav Gavin Pearce | Web Developer | Trinity Belmann Scott Limited Abbey House, Grenville Place, Bracknell, Berkshire. RG12 1BP, United Kingdom Direct: +44 (0) 1344 667420 | Office: +44 (0) 1344 667410 | Fax: +44 (0) 1344 667308 Skype: tbs-gavinpearce | Web: http://www.tbs.uk.com Trinity Belmann Scott Limited t/a TBS. Registered in England , number 2261735, at Abbey House, Grenville Place, Bracknell, RG12 1BP, United Kingdom. -Original Message- From: owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk [mailto:owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk] On Behalf Of Tim Dobson Sent: 23 May 2009 15:37 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] video cameras + sailing dingies Sean DALY wrote: > Google is my friend :-) > > http://www.stickypod.com/ Perhaps a bit overkill for what I want it for, but this is definitely *the* way to go if I want to do it properly! Wow, I'm sooo tempted... :-/ Don't know whether I should jump in or at what level I should jump in at.. haha Thanks anyway Sean! :D Tim - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ __ Trinity Belmann Scott Limited t/a TBS. Registered in England , number 2261735, at Abbey House, Grenville Place, Bracknell, RG12 1BP, United Kingdom. This inbound email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. __ __ Trinity Belmann Scott Limited t/a TBS. Registered in England , number 2261735, at Abbey House, Grenville Place, Bracknell, RG12 1BP, United Kingdom. This outbound email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. __ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] video cameras + sailing dingies
Tech + sailing does the trick. Laser (classic) plus quite a keen cat sailor. Tacking this off the list as way off topic. ; - ) Gav Trinity Belmann Scott Limited t/a TBS. Registered in England , number 2261735, at Abbey House, Grenville Place, Bracknell, RG12 1BP, United Kingdom. -Original Message- From: owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk [mailto:owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk] On Behalf Of Tim Dobson Sent: 23 May 2009 21:46 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] video cameras + sailing dingies Gavin Pearce wrote: > Didn't know anyone here sailed! I should have guessed at least one of > you cunning bunch did! I think there are several others on here that do too! :) > Where you based, anywhere near the Dorset part of this world? I'm in theNorthwest, specifically Glossop! ;) Sorry not really that close to Dorset. I find any tech + sailing comibinations the best of both worlds! :) What do you sail? Tim - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ __ Trinity Belmann Scott Limited t/a TBS. Registered in England , number 2261735, at Abbey House, Grenville Place, Bracknell, RG12 1BP, United Kingdom. This inbound email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. __ __ Trinity Belmann Scott Limited t/a TBS. Registered in England , number 2261735, at Abbey House, Grenville Place, Bracknell, RG12 1BP, United Kingdom. This outbound email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. __ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] video cameras + sailing dingies
Hi Tim, Is this footage under a CC license? Might very well have a use for it. ; - ) http://www.withsailsandi.co.uk Kind regards, Gavin Gavin Pearce | Web Developer | Trinity Belmann Scott Limited Abbey House, Grenville Place, Bracknell, Berkshire. RG12 1BP, United Kingdom Direct: +44 (0) 1344 667420 | Office: +44 (0) 1344 667410 | Fax: +44 (0) 1344 667308 Skype: tbs-gavinpearce | Web: http://www.tbs.uk.com Trinity Belmann Scott Limited t/a TBS. Registered in England , number 2261735, at Abbey House, Grenville Place, Bracknell, RG12 1BP, United Kingdom. -Original Message- From: owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk [mailto:owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk] On Behalf Of Tim Dobson Sent: 27 May 2009 15:19 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] video cameras + sailing dingies Tim Dobson wrote: > I'll get some video up soon, Here is some of the video I took, feel free to take a look: http://files.tdobson.net/sailing240509/SANY0004.MP4 (700mb) More will soon be found here: http://files.tdobson.net/sailing240509 Gah... these uploads are hosing my ADSL... :p Cheers everyone, Tim - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ __ Trinity Belmann Scott Limited t/a TBS. Registered in England , number 2261735, at Abbey House, Grenville Place, Bracknell, RG12 1BP, United Kingdom. This inbound email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. __ __ Trinity Belmann Scott Limited t/a TBS. Registered in England , number 2261735, at Abbey House, Grenville Place, Bracknell, RG12 1BP, United Kingdom. This outbound email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. __ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
