[backstage] BBC iPlayer for Apple TV
Hi I've been working on something over the last few weeks that might be of interest to a few people here: an Apple TV plugin for BBC iPlayer. Details are here: http://jonathan.tweed.name/2010/02/02/bbc-iplayer-for-apple-tv/ And the source is here: http://github.com/jtweed/bbciplayer-appletv Cheers Jonathan - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] BBC iPlayer for Apple TV
On 2-Feb-2010, at 21:14, Jonathan Tweed wrote: > I've been working on something over the last few weeks that might be of > interest to a few people here: an Apple TV plugin for BBC iPlayer. Ohhh, very nice work! Not tried it yet, mind. It'd require re-jailbreaking my aTV. might give it a whirl at the weekend. Nice use of flvstreamer :) M. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] BBC iPlayer for Apple TV
On 2 Feb 2010, at 21:43, Mo McRoberts wrote: On 2-Feb-2010, at 21:14, Jonathan Tweed wrote: I've been working on something over the last few weeks that might be of interest to a few people here: an Apple TV plugin for BBC iPlayer. Ohhh, very nice work! Not tried it yet, mind. It'd require re-jailbreaking my aTV. might give it a whirl at the weekend. Nice use of flvstreamer :) Thanks, it's been a fun project. Do feel free to fork and improve :) Cheers Jonathan - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] BBC iPlayer for Apple TV
On 2 Feb 2010, at 22:14, Jonathan Tweed wrote: > Thanks, it's been a fun project. > > Do feel free to fork and improve :) Nifty! At last, a use for the Apple TV? ;-) S - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] BBC iPlayer for Apple TV
Tweed, once again, I love you. Will be SSH hacking tonight. S On 02/02/2010 22:14, "Jonathan Tweed" wrote: > On 2 Feb 2010, at 21:43, Mo McRoberts wrote: > >> >> On 2-Feb-2010, at 21:14, Jonathan Tweed wrote: >> >>> I've been working on something over the last few weeks that might >>> be of interest to a few people here: an Apple TV plugin for BBC >>> iPlayer. >> >> Ohhh, very nice work! >> >> Not tried it yet, mind. It'd require re-jailbreaking my aTV. might >> give it a whirl at the weekend. Nice use of flvstreamer :) > > Thanks, it's been a fun project. > > Do feel free to fork and improve :) > > Cheers > Jonathan > - > Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please > visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. > Unofficial list archive: > http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ -- Simon Cross Product Manager, BBC iD and BBC Spaces Online Media Group, Future Media and Technology, BC4 C4, Broadcast Centre, White City simon.cr...@bbc.co.uk 07967 444 304 twitter: sicross - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] BBC iPlayer for Apple TV
On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 10:22, Stephen Jolly wrote: > > On 2 Feb 2010, at 22:14, Jonathan Tweed wrote: >> Thanks, it's been a fun project. >> >> Do feel free to fork and improve :) > > Nifty! At last, a use for the Apple TV? ;-) Watching iPlayer content is actually precisely what I use mine for albeit in a "slightly" more roundabout way ;) That and renting movies from the US iTunes store... sometimes before they even start screening over here :\ M. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] BBC iPlayer for Apple TV
On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 10:51, Dirk-Willem van Gulik wrote: > Are the links fine ? Getting an endless redirect* ? (Am wondering how easy I > can get this into the normal frontrow of a normal mac-mini - which is what I > use with ElGato as my main TV). Github had an outage last night. probably still seeing the after-effects. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] BBC iPlayer for Apple TV
On 2 Feb 2010, at 21:14, Jonathan Tweed wrote: > > I've been working on something over the last few weeks that might be of > interest to a few people here: an Apple TV plugin for BBC iPlayer. > > Details are here: > > http://jonathan.tweed.name/2010/02/02/bbc-iplayer-for-apple-tv/ > > And the source is here: > > http://github.com/jtweed/bbciplayer-appletv Are the links fine ? Getting an endless redirect* ? (Am wondering how easy I can get this into the normal frontrow of a normal mac-mini - which is what I use with ElGato as my main TV). Thanks, Dw. * neep:~ dirkx$ curl -vvv http://github.com/jtweed/bbciplayer-appletv/tree/master /releases/BBCiPlayer.frappliance_1.0.zip * About to connect() to github.com port 80 (#0) * Trying 207.97.227.239... connected * Connected to github.com (207.97.227.239) port 80 (#0) > GET > /jtweed/bbciplayer-appletv/tree/master/releases/BBCiPlayer.frappliance_1.0.zip > HTTP/1.1 > User-Agent: curl/7.19.4 (universal-apple-darwin10.0) libcurl/7.19.4 > OpenSSL/0.9.8k zlib/1.2.3 > Host: github.com > Accept: */* > < HTTP/1.1 301 Moved Permanently < Server: nginx/0.7.61 < Date: Wed, 03 Feb 2010 10:50:17 GMT < Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 < Connection: keep-alive < Status: 301 Moved Permanently < Location: http://github.com/jtweed/bbciplayer-appletv/blob/master/releases/BBCiPlayer.frappliance_1.0.zip < X-Runtime: 24ms < Content-Length: 161 < Set-Cookie: _github_ses=BAh7BiIKZmxhc2hJQzonQWN0aW9uQ29udHJvbGxlcjo6Rmxhc2g6OkZsYXNoSGFzaHsABjoKQHVzZWR7AA%3D%3D--884981fc5aa85daf318eeff084d98e2cff92578f; path=/; expires=Wed, 01 Jan 2020 08:00:00 GMT; HttpOnly < Cache-Control: no-cache < * Connection #0 to host github.com left intact * Closing connection #0 You are being http://github.com/jtweed/bbciplayer-appletv/blob/master/releases/BBCiPlayer.frappliance_1.0.zip";>redirected.neep:~ dirkx$ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] BBC iPlayer for Apple TV
. - Original Message - From: owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Sent: Wed Feb 03 10:22:11 2010 Subject: Re: [backstage] BBC iPlayer for Apple TV On 2 Feb 2010, at 22:14, Jonathan Tweed wrote: > Thanks, it's been a fun project. > > Do feel free to fork and improve :) Nifty! At last, a use for the Apple TV? ;-) S - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] BBC iPlayer for Apple TV
Has anyone tried this alongside aTV Flash on the Apple TV? My woeful tech skills don't extend to the command line, but I've been very happy with aTV Flash so far. The only thing missing has been iPlayer. So maybe I'll ask the aTV Flash people to bundle this together with their product, they've done this with other open source tools, and you get the option to deselect stuff you don't want. (Tried Boxee on aTV Flash, didn't like it - but that was in beta. Interested in others' views!) Cheers, Phil On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 11:04 AM, Jeremy Stone wrote: > > . > > > - Original Message - > From: owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk > To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk > Sent: Wed Feb 03 10:22:11 2010 > Subject: Re: [backstage] BBC iPlayer for Apple TV > > > On 2 Feb 2010, at 22:14, Jonathan Tweed wrote: > > Thanks, it's been a fun project. > > > > Do feel free to fork and improve :) > > Nifty! At last, a use for the Apple TV? ;-) > > S > > - > Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please > visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. > Unofficial list archive: > http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ > > -- http://philwhitehouse.blogspot.com
Re: [backstage] BBC iPlayer for Apple TV
On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 12:32, Phil Whitehouse wrote: > Has anyone tried this alongside aTV Flash on the Apple TV? My woeful tech > skills don't extend to the command line, but I've been very happy with aTV > Flash so far. The only thing missing has been iPlayer. So maybe I'll ask the > aTV Flash people to bundle this together with their product, they've done > this with other open source tools, and you get the option to deselect stuff > you don't want. I've not used aTV Flash - I patch mine with atv-usb-creator, with the only caveat that you need to track down the OS update disk image for recent versions (not tricky, mind). It pretty much does the same thing as aTV Flash, though. Well, I *did* patch mine, then I realised the only thing I ran was iStat Server and occasionally, the VNC server. > (Tried Boxee on aTV Flash, didn't like it - but that was in beta. Interested > in others' views!) Really really not a fan of Boxee's UI. Nor XMBC's, for that matter. Both seem pretty sluggish on the aTV, especially compared to the native UI. M. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] BBC iPlayer for Apple TV
On 3 Feb 2010, at 10:51, Dirk-Willem van Gulik wrote: On 2 Feb 2010, at 21:14, Jonathan Tweed wrote: I've been working on something over the last few weeks that might be of interest to a few people here: an Apple TV plugin for BBC iPlayer. Details are here: http://jonathan.tweed.name/2010/02/02/bbc-iplayer-for-apple-tv/ And the source is here: http://github.com/jtweed/bbciplayer-appletv Are the links fine ? Getting an endless redirect* ? (Am wondering how easy I can get this into the normal frontrow of a normal mac- mini - which is what I use with ElGato as my main TV). Hmm. Not sure why that's not working. I've not put anything on GitHub before though, so I might have done something wrong. Anyone spot anything? I don't think it will work out of the box with FrontRow, as there are differences. There is a project called Sapphire which built a compatibility layer that could be investigated. I didn't use it though as I wanted to understand how building something with BackRow actually worked. Cheers Jonathan - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] BBC iPlayer for Apple TV
On 3 Feb 2010, at 13:09, Mo McRoberts wrote: Really really not a fan of Boxee's UI. Nor XMBC's, for that matter. Both seem pretty sluggish on the aTV, especially compared to the native UI. Which is exactly why I made this. I didn't buy an Apple TV to run Boxee. Cheers Jonathan - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] BBC iPlayer for Apple TV
Sorry been out at Fosdem, so missed this. Will post it up on backstage, good work Tweed! Still enjoy XBMC with iplayer support but this will make the Apple TV a lot more interesting for friends of mine. Secret[] Private[x] Public[] Ian Forrester Senior Backstage Producer BBC R&D North Lab, 1st Floor Office, OB Base, New Broadcasting House, Oxford Road, Manchester, M60 1SJ -Original Message- From: owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk [mailto:owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk] On Behalf Of Jonathan Tweed Sent: 03 February 2010 13:30 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] BBC iPlayer for Apple TV On 3 Feb 2010, at 13:09, Mo McRoberts wrote: > Really really not a fan of Boxee's UI. Nor XMBC's, for that matter. > > Both seem pretty sluggish on the aTV, especially compared to the > native UI. Which is exactly why I made this. I didn't buy an Apple TV to run Boxee. Cheers Jonathan - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] BBC iPlayer for Apple TV
Hi all, As another alternative to Boxee and XBMC, you can always use Plex (http://www.plexapp.com/) and my Plex iPlayer plugin (downloadable from Plex's in-app plugin list). I'm using this on a Mac Mini hooked up to a projector, and it works great. I used to use a hacked AppleTV as a media centre, but its closed approach eventually led to my move over to the Mini. Would probably have stuck with the AppleTV if I'd had Tweed's iPlayer plugin at the time :) Plex gives a lot more plugin flexibility - definitely worth a look if you're considering a Mac-based media centre. Dave. > From: Ian Forrester > Reply-To: > Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 13:55:40 -0000 > To: > Subject: RE: [backstage] BBC iPlayer for Apple TV > > Sorry been out at Fosdem, so missed this. Will post it up on backstage, good > work Tweed! > > Still enjoy XBMC with iplayer support but this will make the Apple TV a lot > more interesting for friends of mine. > > Secret[] Private[x] Public[] > > Ian Forrester > Senior Backstage Producer > > BBC R&D North Lab, > 1st Floor Office, OB Base, > New Broadcasting House, Oxford Road, > Manchester, M60 1SJ > -Original Message- > From: owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk [mailto:owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk] > On Behalf Of Jonathan Tweed > Sent: 03 February 2010 13:30 > To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk > Subject: Re: [backstage] BBC iPlayer for Apple TV > > On 3 Feb 2010, at 13:09, Mo McRoberts wrote: > >> Really really not a fan of Boxee's UI. Nor XMBC's, for that matter. >> >> Both seem pretty sluggish on the aTV, especially compared to the >> native UI. > > Which is exactly why I made this. I didn't buy an Apple TV to run Boxee. > > Cheers > Jonathan > - > Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please > visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. > Unofficial list archive: > http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ > > - > Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please > visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. > Unofficial list archive: > http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] BBC iPlayer for Apple TV
On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 10:11 AM, Dave Addey wrote: > As another alternative to Boxee and XBMC, you can always use Plex > (http://www.plexapp.com/) and my Plex iPlayer plugin (downloadable from > Plex's in-app plugin list). I'm using this on a Mac Mini hooked up to a > projector, and it works great. > > I used to use a hacked AppleTV as a media centre, but its closed approach > eventually led to my move over to the Mini. Would probably have stuck with > the AppleTV if I'd had Tweed's iPlayer plugin at the time :) Plex gives a > lot more plugin flexibility - definitely worth a look if you're considering > a Mac-based media centre. Plex/Boxee/XBMC are nicely hackable, that's for sure. And Boxee on the AppleTV is nice to try too, though I found it super sluggish to be honest. But what with http://jonathan.tweed.name/2010/02/09/bbc-iplayer-for-apple-tv-an-update/ ... it seems these kinds of hacks aren't approved of. Jonathan reports in that post that one of the reasons he was asked to take it down was: ... 'The plugin was also playing content rights cleared for PC, but not set top box, usage.' Can anyone shed more light on this distinction? With the likes of Boxee on the rise, it's hard to understand where PCs stop and 'set top boxes' start. So if there are big legal/contractual distinctions defined using these terms that affect future possibilities for iPlayer embedding, it'd be nice to have some sense of where the limits might be. cheers, Dan - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] BBC iPlayer for Apple TV
On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 09:43, Dan Brickley wrote: > Can anyone shed more light on this distinction? With the likes of > Boxee on the rise, it's hard to understand where PCs stop and 'set top > boxes' start. So if there are big legal/contractual distinctions > defined using these terms that affect future possibilities for iPlayer > embedding, it'd be nice to have some sense of where the limits might > be. I'd take a wild guess that it's entirely dependent upon which programmes have entries in mediaselector for PS3/Wii as compared to those which don't. If I didn't know better[0] I'd be tempted to think that rightsholders WANTED people to download stuff illicitly. M. [0] actually, I don't know better; it's entirely possible. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] BBC iPlayer for Apple TV
On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 9:43 AM, Dan Brickley wrote: > On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 10:11 AM, Dave Addey wrote: >> As another alternative to Boxee and XBMC, you can always use Plex >> (http://www.plexapp.com/) and my Plex iPlayer plugin (downloadable from >> Plex's in-app plugin list). I'm using this on a Mac Mini hooked up to a >> projector, and it works great. >> >> I used to use a hacked AppleTV as a media centre, but its closed approach >> eventually led to my move over to the Mini. Would probably have stuck with >> the AppleTV if I'd had Tweed's iPlayer plugin at the time :) Plex gives a >> lot more plugin flexibility - definitely worth a look if you're considering >> a Mac-based media centre. > > Plex/Boxee/XBMC are nicely hackable, that's for sure. And Boxee on the > AppleTV is nice to try too, though I found it super sluggish to be > honest. > > But what with > http://jonathan.tweed.name/2010/02/09/bbc-iplayer-for-apple-tv-an-update/ > ... it seems these kinds of hacks aren't approved of. Jonathan reports > in that post that one of the reasons he was asked to take it down was: > > ... 'The plugin was also playing content rights cleared for PC, but > not set top box, usage.' > > Can anyone shed more light on this distinction? With the likes of > Boxee on the rise, it's hard to understand where PCs stop and 'set top > boxes' start. So if there are big legal/contractual distinctions > defined using these terms that affect future possibilities for iPlayer > embedding, it'd be nice to have some sense of where the limits might > be. That seems really arbitrary. I'm running Boxee on a desktop OS but it only acts as a set top box. Is it a set top box because it's attached to my TV or is my TV merely a very large LCD monitor with a (largely unused TV tuner)? Boxee has an iPlayer app and AFAIK it works just by pretending to be one of the various games consoles that iPlayer works with and invoking the games console UI. Presumably this is OK as no one has said anything about that plugin. Even weirder, no one ever told us not to write scripts to download video off iPlayer, even unofficially. I'd have thought that was the first place they'd start if they were going to close down projects. Oh well. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] BBC iPlayer for Apple TV
Well I think this is the issue, in a nutshell. I can't, won't talk for the rest of the BBC but it seems if your streaming iplayer content inside the UK on to your PC device, that's fine. However if you download the files your on the wrong side of a line. If it was that simple that would be great but if your streaming to a consumer device/appliance then your also on the wrong side of the imaginary line. This gets very tricky when you create a plugin for something like XBMC,Boxee,Plex which can be both a PC and appliance. The notions of device, appliance and PC are very blured but it sounds like deals have been done based on there differences. Generally if you take the p*** I'll get shouted at and I'll ask you nicely to close the service/script/prototype :) of course breaking the backstage licence will you a heavy knock at the door :) That seems really arbitrary. I'm running Boxee on a desktop OS but it only acts as a set top box. Is it a set top box because it's attached to my TV or is my TV merely a very large LCD monitor with a (largely unused TV tuner)? Boxee has an iPlayer app and AFAIK it works just by pretending to be one of the various games consoles that iPlayer works with and invoking the games console UI. Presumably this is OK as no one has said anything about that plugin. Even weirder, no one ever told us not to write scripts to download video off iPlayer, even unofficially. I'd have thought that was the first place they'd start if they were going to close down projects. Oh well. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] BBC iPlayer for Apple TV
On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 16:54, Ian Forrester wrote: > Well I think this is the issue, in a nutshell. > > I can't, won't talk for the rest of the BBC but it seems if your streaming > iplayer content inside the UK on to your PC device, that's fine. However if > you download the files your on the wrong side of a line. > > If it was that simple that would be great but if your streaming to a consumer > device/appliance then your also on the wrong side of the imaginary line. Why, though? Why is an 'appliance' somehow different? In fact, why is ANY of this different to me recording a copy with a PVR[0] (a copy which, incidentally, I can keep pretty much indefinitely and in a format which is convenient)? The whole thing is a very effective mechanism for driving even the most fledgling of tech-savvy consumers to $P2P_SITE_OF_CHOICE, and frustrating the rest. Honestly, I understand that some rights-holders erroneously believe that these kinds of distinctions and restrictions prevent anybody from doing they shouldn't be while not preventing anybody from doing anything they ought to be able to when the only available evidence points to the exact opposite being the case, but I still don't understand why the BBC perpetuates this myth to the detriment of both the license and consumer experience. The BBC, collectively, _does_ know better, yet is toeing the party line. What happened to informing & educating and the public purpose? M. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] BBC iPlayer for Apple TV
On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 17:37, Mo McRoberts wrote: > In fact, why is ANY of this different to me recording a copy with a > PVR[0] (a copy which, incidentally, I can keep pretty much > indefinitely and in a format which is convenient)? the belated footnote: [0] be it entirely hardware/firmware, or a USB/PCI tuner with PVR software, or whatever. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] BBC iPlayer for Apple TV
On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 5:54 PM, Ian Forrester wrote: > Well I think this is the issue, in a nutshell. > > I can't, won't talk for the rest of the BBC but it seems if your streaming > iplayer content inside the UK on to your PC device, that's fine. However if > you download the files your on the wrong side of a line. > > If it was that simple that would be great but if your streaming to a consumer > device/appliance then your also on the wrong side of the imaginary line. If so, this really makes things difficult for those advocating for 'consumer devices' to better support Web standards, because the distinction seems essentially to be a requirement that Webby stuff be hard to use. If it works nicely 'out of the box' without being a complicated computer-y experience, then it goes in the 'consumer appliance' pile? > This gets very tricky when you create a plugin for something like > XBMC,Boxee,Plex which can be both a PC and appliance. The notions of device, > appliance and PC are very blured but it sounds like deals have been done > based on there differences. Rather than us speculate about the potential structure of possible deals, could someone wearing a BBC hat investigate the possibility of sharing some of these definitions? > Generally if you take the p*** I'll get shouted at and I'll ask you nicely to > close the service/script/prototype :) of course breaking the backstage > licence will you a heavy knock at the door :) Publishing some definitions might help :) Dan - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] BBC iPlayer for Apple TV
> > Generally if you take the p*** I'll get shouted at and I'll ask you > > nicely to close the service/script/prototype :) of course > breaking the > > backstage licence will you a heavy knock at the door :) > > Publishing some definitions might help :) The first rule about the Backstage Licence is that we don't talk about the Backstage Licence. In all seriousness, I find it sad that semantics continues to play a far larger role in all of these discussions/arguments/politics between the BBC as broadcaster, BBC as service provider, general viewing public and rightsholders. Simile time: trying to control, or fighting against, cross-platform consumption, usage on previously unconceived platforms and/or unexpected adaption of the service to new forms of consumption is like swimming against a rip tide. Either it's available everywhere legally and someplaces illegaly or nowhere legally and everywhere illegally. It's the rightsholders' choice. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] BBC iPlayer for Apple TV
On 16-Feb-2010, at 16:59, Christopher Woods wrote: > Simile time: trying to control, or fighting against, cross-platform > consumption, usage on previously unconceived platforms and/or unexpected > adaption of the service to new forms of consumption is like swimming against > a rip tide. Either it's available everywhere legally and someplaces illegaly > or nowhere legally and everywhere illegally. It's the rightsholders' choice. Excellently put. (There is a third option, but it’s unfashionable to suggest it ;) M. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] BBC iPlayer for Apple TV
On 16 Feb 2010, at 22:34, Mo McRoberts wrote: > > On 16-Feb-2010, at 16:59, Christopher Woods wrote: > >> Simile time: trying to control, or fighting against, cross-platform >> consumption, usage on previously unconceived platforms and/or unexpected >> adaption of the service to new forms of consumption is like swimming against >> a rip tide. Either it's available everywhere legally and someplaces illegaly >> or nowhere legally and everywhere illegally. It's the rightsholders' choice. > > Excellently put. > > (There is a third option, but it’s unfashionable to suggest it ;) > > M. Is Auntie becoming schizophrenic? Rich > - > Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please > visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. > Unofficial list archive: > http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] BBC iPlayer for Apple TV
> Excellently put. What made me more sad was that I felt I needed to state the obvious :( I wish I could be a fly on the wall in a meeting between the Beeb and controlling rightsholders / contract negotiators for the current iPlayer programming. There must be some serious long-term powerplays going on, combined with fear of the unknown (just like Warner pulling out of ad-supported music citing lack of faith) - but TV's always survived better than music because (I think) it's not been entirely commoditised just yet. The old Powers That Be are in danger of outmoding themselves though with their pseudo-scarcity approach... ... As I say this, I may or may not be torrenting Episode 8 of 24 S08. Why must I wait a week to see it?! By that point, all the buzz around each episode has died down, my friends in the States are already onto the next week's episode and if I go on any of the forums all I'll get is spoilers completely ruining the whole thing for me. Ridiculous. That said, I often watch the Colbert Report - including the pre- and post-roll adverts - on the official web site. They're not very annoying, they work with the way the show's divvied up (pre-existing ad breaks, just shorter ads for online streams) and I like to think it's helping them finance the show. However, to do this I have to use a US proxy as DUE TO RIGHTS ISSUES the content is not directly available to UK viewers (and FX, the UK channel which shows TCR, has no on-demand streaming on their own site for its UK viewers). Spot the fail. Who's losing out here? (given the many alternative means to acquire newteevee, it's likely not the tech-savvy viewers) - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
