[backstage] Internet Standards role
People might be interested in this role that seems to be creating a bit of a buzz http://jobs.bbc.co.uk/fe/tpl_bbc01.asp?newms=jj&id=35072&aid=10281 apparently: "The D in 9D is "Days condition", and as it's London, that was £37,293 - £54,646" - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Internet Standards role
and that's "days" as opposed to "hours" in case anyone was wondering if there was going to be a nocturnal equivalent role. On 9/6/10, Tim Dobson wrote: > People might be interested in this role that seems to be creating a bit > of a buzz > > http://jobs.bbc.co.uk/fe/tpl_bbc01.asp?newms=jj&id=35072&aid=10281 > > apparently: > "The D in 9D is "Days condition", and as it's London, that was £37,293 - > £54,646" > - > Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please > visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. > Unofficial list archive: > http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ > -- Ant Miller tel: 07709 265961 email: ant.mil...@gmail.com - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Internet Standards role
On 07/09/2010 08:40, Ant Miller wrote: and that's "days" as opposed to "hours" in case anyone was wondering if there was going to be a nocturnal equivalent role. How very quaint... and out of sync with modern employment practices (bar the Post Office). Gordo -- Gordon Joly gordon.j...@pobox.com http://www.joly.org.uk/ Don't Leave Space To The Professionals! - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Internet Standards role
it sort of makes sense, in that we still have some operational support roles that are shift based, and some part time. having days and hours ares for role grades ensures these peoples pay and conditions are always part of the collective terms of employment. On 9/7/10, Gordon Joly wrote: > On 07/09/2010 08:40, Ant Miller wrote: >> and that's "days" as opposed to "hours" in case anyone was wondering >> if there was going to be a nocturnal equivalent role. >> > > How very quaint... and out of sync with modern employment practices (bar > the Post Office). > > Gordo > > -- > > Gordon Joly > gordon.j...@pobox.com > http://www.joly.org.uk/ > Don't Leave Space To The Professionals! > > - > Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please > visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. > Unofficial list archive: > http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ > -- Ant Miller tel: 07709 265961 email: ant.mil...@gmail.com - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Internet Standards role
it sort of makes sense, in that we still have some operational support roles that are shift based, and some part time. having days and hours terms for role grades ensures these peoples pay and conditions are always part of the collective terms of employment. On 9/7/10, Gordon Joly wrote: > On 07/09/2010 08:40, Ant Miller wrote: >> and that's "days" as opposed to "hours" in case anyone was wondering >> if there was going to be a nocturnal equivalent role. >> > > How very quaint... and out of sync with modern employment practices (bar > the Post Office). > > Gordo > > -- > > Gordon Joly > gordon.j...@pobox.com > http://www.joly.org.uk/ > Don't Leave Space To The Professionals! > > - > Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please > visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. > Unofficial list archive: > http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ > -- Ant Miller tel: 07709 265961 email: ant.mil...@gmail.com - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Internet Standards role
Is that a 56 hour week with overtime only after that point then? RichE On 7 Sep 2010, at 10:06, Ant Miller wrote: > it sort of makes sense, in that we still have some operational support > roles that are shift based, and some part time. having days and hours > terms for role grades ensures these peoples pay and conditions are > always part of the collective terms of employment. > > On 9/7/10, Gordon Joly wrote: >> On 07/09/2010 08:40, Ant Miller wrote: >>> and that's "days" as opposed to "hours" in case anyone was wondering >>> if there was going to be a nocturnal equivalent role. >>> >> >> How very quaint... and out of sync with modern employment practices (bar >> the Post Office). >> >> Gordo >> >> -- >> >> Gordon Joly >> gordon.j...@pobox.com >> http://www.joly.org.uk/ >> Don't Leave Space To The Professionals! >> >> - >> Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please >> visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. >> Unofficial list archive: >> http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ >> > > > -- > Ant Miller > > tel: 07709 265961 > email: ant.mil...@gmail.com > - > Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please > visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. > Unofficial list archive: > http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Internet Standards role
On 7 Sep 2010, at 09:20, Richard P Edwards wrote: > Is that a 56 hour week with overtime only after that point then? I doubt it - someone who excels at a job as cool as this one - is likely to be very hard to control - and won't let himself or herself limited to a mere 56 hours :) This type of role usually comes with a lovely internet addiction :) Thanks, Dw. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Internet Standards role
Nope, on days condition you get paid for each day you work - overtime is only available if you work more days than you should in a week. So you could work 80 hours over 5 days and get 0 overtime. (Overtime is paid in days off in lieu - except in special circumstances) On 7 September 2010 09:20, Richard P Edwards wrote: > Is that a 56 hour week with overtime only after that point then? > RichE > > On 7 Sep 2010, at 10:06, Ant Miller wrote: > > > it sort of makes sense, in that we still have some operational support > > roles that are shift based, and some part time. having days and hours > > terms for role grades ensures these peoples pay and conditions are > > always part of the collective terms of employment. > > > > On 9/7/10, Gordon Joly wrote: > >> On 07/09/2010 08:40, Ant Miller wrote: > >>> and that's "days" as opposed to "hours" in case anyone was wondering > >>> if there was going to be a nocturnal equivalent role. > >>> > >> > >> How very quaint... and out of sync with modern employment practices (bar > >> the Post Office). > >> > >> Gordo > >> > >> -- > >> > >> Gordon Joly > >> gordon.j...@pobox.com > >> http://www.joly.org.uk/ > >> Don't Leave Space To The Professionals! > >> > >> - > >> Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, > please > >> visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. > >> Unofficial list archive: > >> http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ > >> > > > > > > -- > > Ant Miller > > > > tel: 07709 265961 > > email: ant.mil...@gmail.com > > - > > Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, > please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. > Unofficial list archive: > http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ > > - > Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please > visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. > Unofficial list archive: > http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ > -- Simon Thompson GMAIL Account
Re: [backstage] Internet Standards role
This is why I find the 9 days bit intriguing. In the "old" days I used to put in 120 hour weeks, so I know exactly what you mean by addiction... the interesting part is that the UK seems to have gone to part time contracts where, as Simon says, you can work an 80 hour week with no overtime. OK, you get days off in lieu, but in that kind of job I suspect that finding the free days to take off could be pretty difficult... unless you take a long holiday every summer... in which case the BBC office effectively "closes" for that time. I think that I can see this ending is all sorts of chaos. :-) In my case, we did not get paid days off in lieu... so if you needed to sleep you had to swallow the financial inconvenience. Neither way is perfect, but calling for a contractual 9 day week seems somehow unsettling for me. Looks like a great job though, they'd also prefer someone "uncompetitive" - now that made me smile. Regards RichE On 7 Sep 2010, at 10:35, Dirk-Willem van Gulik wrote: > > On 7 Sep 2010, at 09:20, Richard P Edwards wrote: > >> Is that a 56 hour week with overtime only after that point then? > > I doubt it - someone who excels at a job as cool as this one - is likely to > be very hard to control - and won't let himself or herself limited to a mere > 56 hours :) This type of role usually comes with a lovely internet addiction > :) > > Thanks, > > Dw. > - > Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please > visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. > Unofficial list archive: > http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Internet Standards role
9 is the pay grade, not the number of days - 9D means a grade 9 person on days conditions. It may be a continuing or fixed term contract. On 7 September 2010 10:23, Richard P Edwards wrote: > This is why I find the 9 days bit intriguing. In the "old" days I used to > put in 120 hour weeks, so I know exactly what you mean by addiction... the > interesting part is that the UK seems to have gone to part time contracts > where, as Simon says, you can work an 80 hour week with no overtime. > OK, you get days off in lieu, but in that kind of job I suspect that > finding the free days to take off could be pretty difficult... unless you > take a long holiday every summer... in which case the BBC office effectively > "closes" for that time. > I think that I can see this ending is all sorts of chaos. :-) In my case, > we did not get paid days off in lieu... so if you needed to sleep you had to > swallow the financial inconvenience. Neither way is perfect, but calling for > a contractual 9 day week seems somehow unsettling for me. > Looks like a great job though, they'd also prefer someone "uncompetitive" - > now that made me smile. > Regards > RichE > > -- Simon Thompson GMAIL Account
Re: [backstage] Internet Standards role
Yeah, we really should get our job descriptions checked for plain english- the BBC has a whole language of it's own in many areas, and unfortunately I think it can act as a barier to getting people in. If people would like to give us feedback or send us questions regarding this job add we'll try and get answers back to all. They'll be public though- in order to ensure it's a fair and open process. a On Tue, Sep 7, 2010 at 10:52 AM, Richard P Edwards wrote: > Aha, thanks Simon ... confusion over. :-) > > On 7 Sep 2010, at 11:39, Simon Thompson wrote: > > 9 is the pay grade, not the number of days - 9D means a grade 9 person on > days conditions. > > It may be a continuing or fixed term contract. > > > On 7 September 2010 10:23, Richard P Edwards wrote: > >> This is why I find the 9 days bit intriguing. In the "old" days I used to >> put in 120 hour weeks, so I know exactly what you mean by addiction... the >> interesting part is that the UK seems to have gone to part time contracts >> where, as Simon says, you can work an 80 hour week with no overtime. >> OK, you get days off in lieu, but in that kind of job I suspect that >> finding the free days to take off could be pretty difficult... unless you >> take a long holiday every summer... in which case the BBC office effectively >> "closes" for that time. >> I think that I can see this ending is all sorts of chaos. :-) In my case, >> we did not get paid days off in lieu... so if you needed to sleep you had to >> swallow the financial inconvenience. Neither way is perfect, but calling for >> a contractual 9 day week seems somehow unsettling for me. >> Looks like a great job though, they'd also prefer someone "uncompetitive" >> - now that made me smile. >> Regards >> RichE >> >> > -- > Simon Thompson > GMAIL Account > > > -- Ant Miller tel: 07709 265961 email: ant.mil...@gmail.com
Re: [backstage] Internet Standards role
Aha, thanks Simon ... confusion over. :-) On 7 Sep 2010, at 11:39, Simon Thompson wrote: > 9 is the pay grade, not the number of days - 9D means a grade 9 person on > days conditions. > > It may be a continuing or fixed term contract. > > > On 7 September 2010 10:23, Richard P Edwards wrote: > This is why I find the 9 days bit intriguing. In the "old" days I used to put > in 120 hour weeks, so I know exactly what you mean by addiction... the > interesting part is that the UK seems to have gone to part time contracts > where, as Simon says, you can work an 80 hour week with no overtime. > OK, you get days off in lieu, but in that kind of job I suspect that finding > the free days to take off could be pretty difficult... unless you take a long > holiday every summer... in which case the BBC office effectively "closes" for > that time. > I think that I can see this ending is all sorts of chaos. :-) In my case, we > did not get paid days off in lieu... so if you needed to sleep you had to > swallow the financial inconvenience. Neither way is perfect, but calling for > a contractual 9 day week seems somehow unsettling for me. > Looks like a great job though, they'd also prefer someone "uncompetitive" - > now that made me smile. > Regards > RichE > > > -- > Simon Thompson > GMAIL Account
Re: [backstage] Internet Standards role
On 7 September 2010 11:00, Ant Miller wrote: > Yeah, we really should get our job descriptions checked for plain english- > the BBC has a whole language of it's own in many areas, and unfortunately I > think it can act as a barier to getting people in. > I really thought that was the idea. I might apply now I understand it. > > If people would like to give us feedback or send us questions regarding > this job add we'll try and get answers back to all. They'll be public > though- in order to ensure it's a fair and open process. > The only thing you don't seem to get from the job description is the amount of backing you would get. I would have thought that there is a good chance that the role would get an "absorb the flack" from people (like me), unless the senior management really do regard standards as important. So, is there a "standards war" raging within the BBC, or does there need to be? > > a > > > On Tue, Sep 7, 2010 at 10:52 AM, Richard P Edwards wrote: > >> Aha, thanks Simon ... confusion over. :-) >> >> On 7 Sep 2010, at 11:39, Simon Thompson wrote: >> >> 9 is the pay grade, not the number of days - 9D means a grade 9 person on >> days conditions. >> >> It may be a continuing or fixed term contract. >> >> >> On 7 September 2010 10:23, Richard P Edwards wrote: >> >>> This is why I find the 9 days bit intriguing. In the "old" days I used to >>> put in 120 hour weeks, so I know exactly what you mean by addiction... the >>> interesting part is that the UK seems to have gone to part time contracts >>> where, as Simon says, you can work an 80 hour week with no overtime. >>> OK, you get days off in lieu, but in that kind of job I suspect that >>> finding the free days to take off could be pretty difficult... unless you >>> take a long holiday every summer... in which case the BBC office effectively >>> "closes" for that time. >>> I think that I can see this ending is all sorts of chaos. :-) In my case, >>> we did not get paid days off in lieu... so if you needed to sleep you had to >>> swallow the financial inconvenience. Neither way is perfect, but calling for >>> a contractual 9 day week seems somehow unsettling for me. >>> Looks like a great job though, they'd also prefer someone "uncompetitive" >>> - now that made me smile. >>> Regards >>> RichE >>> >>> >> -- >> Simon Thompson >> GMAIL Account >> >> >> > > > -- > Ant Miller > > tel: 07709 265961 > email: ant.mil...@gmail.com >
Re: [backstage] Internet Standards role
There's no standards war inside the BBC- there are a large number of very clever people, and in areas where new technology is to be developed and deployed, there are often intense discussions of what the best course of action is. To be honest, that's one of the best bits about working here- pretty much all voices get heard. The organisation has as whole struggled recently to manage this kind of role recently, and it's tended to be somebody's send job (somebody already very busy). I'd anticipate whoever takes this job on would get a lot of backing from across the organisation, and be a focal point for much decision making. You'd be in the middle of wide ranging and intense discussions, and you'd be engaging with people inside and outside the corporation of course, but since the role is officially 'representing' the BBC, that would give the person in the role a fair amount of clout. They'd be busy people! a On Tue, Sep 7, 2010 at 11:19 AM, Brian Butterworth wrote: > > On 7 September 2010 11:00, Ant Miller wrote: > >> Yeah, we really should get our job descriptions checked for plain english- >> the BBC has a whole language of it's own in many areas, and unfortunately I >> think it can act as a barier to getting people in. >> > > I really thought that was the idea. I might apply now I understand it. > > >> >> If people would like to give us feedback or send us questions regarding >> this job add we'll try and get answers back to all. They'll be public >> though- in order to ensure it's a fair and open process. >> > > The only thing you don't seem to get from the job description is the amount > of backing you would get. I would have thought that there is a good chance > that the role would get an "absorb the flack" from people (like me), unless > the senior management really do regard standards as important. > > So, is there a "standards war" raging within the BBC, or does there need to > be? > > >> >> a >> >> >> On Tue, Sep 7, 2010 at 10:52 AM, Richard P Edwards wrote: >> >>> Aha, thanks Simon ... confusion over. :-) >>> >>> On 7 Sep 2010, at 11:39, Simon Thompson wrote: >>> >>> 9 is the pay grade, not the number of days - 9D means a grade 9 person on >>> days conditions. >>> >>> It may be a continuing or fixed term contract. >>> >>> >>> On 7 September 2010 10:23, Richard P Edwards wrote: >>> This is why I find the 9 days bit intriguing. In the "old" days I used to put in 120 hour weeks, so I know exactly what you mean by addiction... the interesting part is that the UK seems to have gone to part time contracts where, as Simon says, you can work an 80 hour week with no overtime. OK, you get days off in lieu, but in that kind of job I suspect that finding the free days to take off could be pretty difficult... unless you take a long holiday every summer... in which case the BBC office effectively "closes" for that time. I think that I can see this ending is all sorts of chaos. :-) In my case, we did not get paid days off in lieu... so if you needed to sleep you had to swallow the financial inconvenience. Neither way is perfect, but calling for a contractual 9 day week seems somehow unsettling for me. Looks like a great job though, they'd also prefer someone "uncompetitive" - now that made me smile. Regards RichE >>> -- >>> Simon Thompson >>> GMAIL Account >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Ant Miller >> >> tel: 07709 265961 >> email: ant.mil...@gmail.com >> > > -- Ant Miller tel: 07709 265961 email: ant.mil...@gmail.com
Re: [backstage] Internet Standards role
sp: send/ second On Tue, Sep 7, 2010 at 11:42 AM, Ant Miller wrote: > There's no standards war inside the BBC- there are a large number of very > clever people, and in areas where new technology is to be developed and > deployed, there are often intense discussions of what the best course of > action is. To be honest, that's one of the best bits about working here- > pretty much all voices get heard. > > The organisation has as whole struggled recently to manage this kind of > role recently, and it's tended to be somebody's send job (somebody already > very busy). I'd anticipate whoever takes this job on would get a lot of > backing from across the organisation, and be a focal point for much decision > making. You'd be in the middle of wide ranging and intense discussions, and > you'd be engaging with people inside and outside the corporation of course, > but since the role is officially 'representing' the BBC, that would give the > person in the role a fair amount of clout. > > They'd be busy people! > > a > > > On Tue, Sep 7, 2010 at 11:19 AM, Brian Butterworth > wrote: > >> >> On 7 September 2010 11:00, Ant Miller wrote: >> >>> Yeah, we really should get our job descriptions checked for plain >>> english- the BBC has a whole language of it's own in many areas, and >>> unfortunately I think it can act as a barier to getting people in. >>> >> >> I really thought that was the idea. I might apply now I understand it. >> >> >>> >>> If people would like to give us feedback or send us questions regarding >>> this job add we'll try and get answers back to all. They'll be public >>> though- in order to ensure it's a fair and open process. >>> >> >> The only thing you don't seem to get from the job description is the >> amount of backing you would get. I would have thought that there is a good >> chance that the role would get an "absorb the flack" from people (like me), >> unless the senior management really do regard standards as important. >> >> So, is there a "standards war" raging within the BBC, or does there need >> to be? >> >> >>> >>> a >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Sep 7, 2010 at 10:52 AM, Richard P Edwards wrote: >>> Aha, thanks Simon ... confusion over. :-) On 7 Sep 2010, at 11:39, Simon Thompson wrote: 9 is the pay grade, not the number of days - 9D means a grade 9 person on days conditions. It may be a continuing or fixed term contract. On 7 September 2010 10:23, Richard P Edwards wrote: > This is why I find the 9 days bit intriguing. In the "old" days I used > to put in 120 hour weeks, so I know exactly what you mean by addiction... > the interesting part is that the UK seems to have gone to part time > contracts where, as Simon says, you can work an 80 hour week with no > overtime. > OK, you get days off in lieu, but in that kind of job I suspect that > finding the free days to take off could be pretty difficult... unless you > take a long holiday every summer... in which case the BBC office > effectively > "closes" for that time. > I think that I can see this ending is all sorts of chaos. :-) In my > case, we did not get paid days off in lieu... so if you needed to sleep > you > had to swallow the financial inconvenience. Neither way is perfect, but > calling for a contractual 9 day week seems somehow unsettling for me. > Looks like a great job though, they'd also prefer someone > "uncompetitive" - now that made me smile. > Regards > RichE > > -- Simon Thompson GMAIL Account >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Ant Miller >>> >>> tel: 07709 265961 >>> email: ant.mil...@gmail.com >>> >> >> > > > -- > Ant Miller > > tel: 07709 265961 > email: ant.mil...@gmail.com > -- Ant Miller tel: 07709 265961 email: ant.mil...@gmail.com
RE: [backstage] Internet Standards role
It always gets me that someone actually had to go to the effort of putting in a freedom of information request in order to find out what the BBC's salary grades meant... From: owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk [mailto:owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk] On Behalf Of Ant Miller Sent: 07 September 2010 11:01 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] Internet Standards role Yeah, we really should get our job descriptions checked for plain english- the BBC has a whole language of it's own in many areas, and unfortunately I think it can act as a barier to getting people in. If people would like to give us feedback or send us questions regarding this job add we'll try and get answers back to all. They'll be public though- in order to ensure it's a fair and open process. a On Tue, Sep 7, 2010 at 10:52 AM, Richard P Edwards wrote: Aha, thanks Simon ... confusion over. :-) On 7 Sep 2010, at 11:39, Simon Thompson wrote: 9 is the pay grade, not the number of days - 9D means a grade 9 person on days conditions. It may be a continuing or fixed term contract. On 7 September 2010 10:23, Richard P Edwards wrote: This is why I find the 9 days bit intriguing. In the "old" days I used to put in 120 hour weeks, so I know exactly what you mean by addiction... the interesting part is that the UK seems to have gone to part time contracts where, as Simon says, you can work an 80 hour week with no overtime. OK, you get days off in lieu, but in that kind of job I suspect that finding the free days to take off could be pretty difficult... unless you take a long holiday every summer... in which case the BBC office effectively "closes" for that time. I think that I can see this ending is all sorts of chaos. :-) In my case, we did not get paid days off in lieu... so if you needed to sleep you had to swallow the financial inconvenience. Neither way is perfect, but calling for a contractual 9 day week seems somehow unsettling for me. Looks like a great job though, they'd also prefer someone "uncompetitive" - now that made me smile. Regards RichE -- Simon Thompson GMAIL Account -- Ant Miller tel: 07709 265961 email: ant.mil...@gmail.com
