[backstage] Xinhua Doctored BBC Screenshot?

2008-03-24 Thread Tim Dobson
As someone who has a pronounced dislike of propaganda and 
misinformation, I have been following the recent events surrounding 
Tibet, quite carefully.


By reading the news stories from both the Chinese and the Western point 
of view, one can see the large difference in opinions.


I was interested today, to read on Xinhua, the Chinese State news 
agency, that the BBC had been accused of displaying an image of a 
ambulance with a caption stating that There is a heavy military 
presence in Lhasa.[1]


Interested that it was citing a BBC article, I did a quick search to 
find the original article and accompanying photo [2]. The caption of the 
photo on the BBC page instead says There have been many reports of 
injuries and deaths in Lhasa.


Intrigued by the differences that the articles show, I looked at the 
last updated text in both the Xinhua screenshot and the BBC article.

They show exactly the same time and date.

From this I would infer that the Xinhua screenshot has been doctored, 
however, in order to give them the benefit of the doubt:


Does anyone BBC-side (or otherwise) have any idea about whether one can 
change one of these image captions in the live content without updating 
the last updated tag.


If you think there are other explanations or can expand on anything I 
have said, feel free to.


I would not be *surprised* to see doctored screenshot, however I would 
be interested about it's context and effect.
I would also be interested if the BBC had silently changed the caption 
to this image in question.


[1] http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2008-03/23/content_7841316.htm
[2] http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/7300312.stm


Tim


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Re: [backstage] Xinhua Doctored BBC Screenshot?

2008-03-24 Thread Adam Leach
A quick check of the Google cache would have told you it has changed and
the screen shot is valid.  Google claim they crawled the site at 17 Mar
2008 13:09:39 GMT.

http://64.233.183.104/search?q=cache%3Ahttp%
3A//news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/7300312.stm

Adam


On Mon, 2008-03-24 at 23:39 +, Tim Dobson wrote:
 As someone who has a pronounced dislike of propaganda and 
 misinformation, I have been following the recent events surrounding 
 Tibet, quite carefully.
 
 By reading the news stories from both the Chinese and the Western point 
 of view, one can see the large difference in opinions.
 
 I was interested today, to read on Xinhua, the Chinese State news 
 agency, that the BBC had been accused of displaying an image of a 
 ambulance with a caption stating that There is a heavy military 
 presence in Lhasa.[1]
 
 Interested that it was citing a BBC article, I did a quick search to 
 find the original article and accompanying photo [2]. The caption of the 
 photo on the BBC page instead says There have been many reports of 
 injuries and deaths in Lhasa.
 
 Intrigued by the differences that the articles show, I looked at the 
 last updated text in both the Xinhua screenshot and the BBC article.
 They show exactly the same time and date.
 
  From this I would infer that the Xinhua screenshot has been doctored, 
 however, in order to give them the benefit of the doubt:
 
 Does anyone BBC-side (or otherwise) have any idea about whether one can 
 change one of these image captions in the live content without updating 
 the last updated tag.
 
 If you think there are other explanations or can expand on anything I 
 have said, feel free to.
 
 I would not be *surprised* to see doctored screenshot, however I would 
 be interested about it's context and effect.
 I would also be interested if the BBC had silently changed the caption 
 to this image in question.
 
 [1] http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2008-03/23/content_7841316.htm
 [2] http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/7300312.stm
 
 
 Tim
 
 

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Re: [backstage] Xinhua Doctored BBC Screenshot?

2008-03-24 Thread Matthew Somerville

Tim Dobson wrote:
I was interested today, to read on Xinhua, the Chinese State news 
agency, that the BBC had been accused of displaying an image of a 
ambulance with a caption stating that There is a heavy military 
presence in Lhasa.[1]


The BBC did indeed show that; here's Google's cache of the page:
http://64.233.183.104/search?q=cache:qH6sdYFO4PoJ:news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/7300312.stm
(with an earlier timestamp of 12:48 GMT).

The alternate text on the image is still Chinese military check an 
ambulance, presumably from the people who took the photo, and whether 
that's what's happening or what Xinhua say is happening, who knows.


I can't explain the same timestamp issue, but I do believe (I can't find the 
reference now, but I remember reading it) that BBC News can update the 
content without changing the last updated tag if it's marked as a minor 
change in their CMS or similar.


ATB,
Matthew
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