Re: [backstage] iPhone iPlayer
This is what kills me about iphone users, they think this stuff is new. Not only can you do this on WinMo but also over Bluetooth :p On Mon, 2008-10-13 at 02:39 +0100, Jim Tonge wrote: Jailbreak, then use PDAnet (available through Cydia). works over ad- hoc wifi network. On 13 Oct 2008, at 01:16, Ian Forrester wrote: Oh plus the iphone doesn't support that kind of functionality :) Jim - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] iPhone iPlayer
Not at all. Was doing this with my Sony Ericsson and WinMo phones for a couple of years... Or were you trying to provoke a reaction? ;) Jim On 13 Oct 2008, at 17:52, Mr I Forrester [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is what kills me about iphone users, they think this stuff is new. Not only can you do this on WinMo but also over Bluetooth :p On Mon, 2008-10-13 at 02:39 +0100, Jim Tonge wrote: Jailbreak, then use PDAnet (available through Cydia). works over ad- hoc wifi network. On 13 Oct 2008, at 01:16, Ian Forrester wrote: Oh plus the iphone doesn't support that kind of functionality :) Jim - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html . Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html . Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] iPhone iPlayer
But http://eatliver.com/i.php?n=3509 2008/10/15 Andrew Gibb [EMAIL PROTECTED] The thing I've found with the iPhone is that I don't need to use my physics degree to work out how to do the few things it does. I've been carrying devices around in my pocket that could do all manner of clever stuff for half a decade, but never until this one was I able to work out how to make them actually work. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mr I Forrester Sent: 13 October 2008 17:53 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] iPhone iPlayer This is what kills me about iphone users, they think this stuff is new. Not only can you do this on WinMo but also over Bluetooth :p On Mon, 2008-10-13 at 02:39 +0100, Jim Tonge wrote: Jailbreak, then use PDAnet (available through Cydia). works over ad- hoc wifi network. On 13 Oct 2008, at 01:16, Ian Forrester wrote: Oh plus the iphone doesn't support that kind of functionality :) Jim - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ -- Brian Butterworth http://www.ukfree.tv - independent digital television and switchover advice, since 2002
RE: [backstage] iPhone iPlayer
The thing I've found with the iPhone is that I don't need to use my physics degree to work out how to do the few things it does. I've been carrying devices around in my pocket that could do all manner of clever stuff for half a decade, but never until this one was I able to work out how to make them actually work. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mr I Forrester Sent: 13 October 2008 17:53 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] iPhone iPlayer This is what kills me about iphone users, they think this stuff is new. Not only can you do this on WinMo but also over Bluetooth :p On Mon, 2008-10-13 at 02:39 +0100, Jim Tonge wrote: Jailbreak, then use PDAnet (available through Cydia). works over ad- hoc wifi network. On 13 Oct 2008, at 01:16, Ian Forrester wrote: Oh plus the iphone doesn't support that kind of functionality :) Jim - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] iPhone iPlayer
Given the BBC knows the file sizes of each programme someone downloads, surely it would be trivial for the iplayer people to have a running counter of how much data a visitor has transferred. Then the user could make an informed decision on whether to watch more telly or wait until next month, rather than having the BBC make the decision for them? Cheers, Al. 2008/10/12 Ian Forrester [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I'm sure someone from the iplayer team will answer at some point, but I think the reasoning is because of your phone bill. Streaming over 3g/hsdpa (even edge) is possible but if your paying per meg, it can start to get expensive quickly and its hard to get a feel for exactly how much your actually using. I just got my phone bill through and I had used 1.4gig of mobile data over the last month. Luckily I'm on Orange's £6 a month for 'unlimited' off peak data, so my total bill was nice and low. You could imagine, if your not on the ball. It could cost you dearly and of course the BBC don't want this. Cheers Ian Forrester This e-mail is: [x] private; [] ask first; [] bloggable Senior Producer, BBC Backstage Room 1044, BBC Manchester BH, Oxford Road, M60 1SJ email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] work: +44 (0)2080083965 mob: +44 (0)7711913293 - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] iPhone iPlayer
It could be difficult for the BBC to keep a reliable counter without knowing your phone number or something like that, a cookie could be used but might be deleted. Nice idea though, it's important to keep the user informed. All you can eat data plans really are a must for all but very light users, I don't believe some of the prices that networks charge per meg. It's insane. ./Matt Alan Pope wrote: Given the BBC knows the file sizes of each programme someone downloads, surely it would be trivial for the iplayer people to have a running counter of how much data a visitor has transferred. Then the user could make an informed decision on whether to watch more telly or wait until next month, rather than having the BBC make the decision for them? Cheers, Al. 2008/10/12 Ian Forrester [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I'm sure someone from the iplayer team will answer at some point, but I think the reasoning is because of your phone bill. Streaming over 3g/hsdpa (even edge) is possible but if your paying per meg, it can start to get expensive quickly and its hard to get a feel for exactly how much your actually using. I just got my phone bill through and I had used 1.4gig of mobile data over the last month. Luckily I'm on Orange's £6 a month for 'unlimited' off peak data, so my total bill was nice and low. You could imagine, if your not on the ball. It could cost you dearly and of course the BBC don't want this. Cheers Ian Forrester This e-mail is: [x] private; [] ask first; [] bloggable Senior Producer, BBC Backstage Room 1044, BBC Manchester BH, Oxford Road, M60 1SJ email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] work: +44 (0)2080083965 mob: +44 (0)7711913293 - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] iPhone iPlayer
cookie could be used but might be deleted as part of the mobiles pay for it service, some of the networks can provide you with a persistent unique id, thats not the mobile phone number. http://www.payforituk.com/ documented on page 33 here... http://www.short-codes.com/payforit/docs/Trusted%20Mobile%20Payment%20Framework%20-%20version%202.0.pdf.zip Paul BBC, FMT Journalism. 2008/10/13 Matt Barber [EMAIL PROTECTED]: It could be difficult for the BBC to keep a reliable counter without knowing your phone number or something like that, a cookie could be used but might be deleted. Nice idea though, it's important to keep the user informed. All you can eat data plans really are a must for all but very light users, I don't believe some of the prices that networks charge per meg. It's insane. ./Matt Alan Pope wrote: Given the BBC knows the file sizes of each programme someone downloads, surely it would be trivial for the iplayer people to have a running counter of how much data a visitor has transferred. Then the user could make an informed decision on whether to watch more telly or wait until next month, rather than having the BBC make the decision for them? Cheers, Al. 2008/10/12 Ian Forrester [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I'm sure someone from the iplayer team will answer at some point, but I think the reasoning is because of your phone bill. Streaming over 3g/hsdpa (even edge) is possible but if your paying per meg, it can start to get expensive quickly and its hard to get a feel for exactly how much your actually using. I just got my phone bill through and I had used 1.4gig of mobile data over the last month. Luckily I'm on Orange's £6 a month for 'unlimited' off peak data, so my total bill was nice and low. You could imagine, if your not on the ball. It could cost you dearly and of course the BBC don't want this. Cheers Ian Forrester This e-mail is: [x] private; [] ask first; [] bloggable Senior Producer, BBC Backstage Room 1044, BBC Manchester BH, Oxford Road, M60 1SJ email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] work: +44 (0)2080083965 mob: +44 (0)7711913293 - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
[backstage] iPhone iPlayer
Apologies if this isn't the right place to ask - I emailed the iPlayer team through the website but got a stock thanks for your feedback response. So, with that proviso: why are the iPhone iPlayer streams not viewable over 3G? 3G has more than enough bandwidth to cope with the 512k streams, and if I'm in WiFi coverage chances are I'll watch on a laptop. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] iPhone iPlayer
I mean it's disabled on the website - link to example image on Flickr. Jim On 12 Oct 2008, at 22:53, Fearghas McKay wrote: On 12 Oct 2008, at 22:28, Jim Tonge wrote: Apologies if this isn't the right place to ask - I emailed the iPlayer team through the website but got a stock thanks for your feedback response. So, with that proviso: why are the iPhone iPlayer streams not viewable over 3G? 3G has more than enough bandwidth to cope with the 512k streams, and if I'm in WiFi coverage chances are I'll watch on a laptop. Have you asked your Telco if they are blocking access ? f - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html . Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ Jim
RE: [backstage] iPhone iPlayer
I'm sure someone from the iplayer team will answer at some point, but I think the reasoning is because of your phone bill. Streaming over 3g/hsdpa (even edge) is possible but if your paying per meg, it can start to get expensive quickly and its hard to get a feel for exactly how much your actually using. I just got my phone bill through and I had used 1.4gig of mobile data over the last month. Luckily I'm on Orange's £6 a month for 'unlimited' off peak data, so my total bill was nice and low. You could imagine, if your not on the ball. It could cost you dearly and of course the BBC don't want this. Cheers Ian Forrester This e-mail is: [x] private; [] ask first; [] bloggable Senior Producer, BBC Backstage Room 1044, BBC Manchester BH, Oxford Road, M60 1SJ email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] work: +44 (0)2080083965 mob: +44 (0)7711913293 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jim Tonge Sent: 12 October 2008 22:28 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: [backstage] iPhone iPlayer Apologies if this isn't the right place to ask - I emailed the iPlayer team through the website but got a stock thanks for your feedback response. So, with that proviso: why are the iPhone iPlayer streams not viewable over 3G? 3G has more than enough bandwidth to cope with the 512k streams, and if I'm in WiFi coverage chances are I'll watch on a laptop. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] iPhone iPlayer
O2 only offer unlimited data with the iPhone though, but I can vaguely remember seeing something in the TCs about not using the data plan for streaming video. Duncan On 12 Oct 2008, at 23:24, Ian Forrester [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm sure someone from the iplayer team will answer at some point, but I think the reasoning is because of your phone bill. Streaming over 3g/hsdpa (even edge) is possible but if your paying per meg, it can start to get expensive quickly and its hard to get a feel for exactly how much your actually using. I just got my phone bill through and I had used 1.4gig of mobile data over the last month. Luckily I'm on Orange's £6 a month for 'un limited' off peak data, so my total bill was nice and low. You could imagine, if your not on the ball. It could cost you dearly and of course the BBC don't want this. Cheers Ian Forrester This e-mail is: [x] private; [] ask first; [] bloggable Senior Producer, BBC Backstage Room 1044, BBC Manchester BH, Oxford Road, M60 1SJ email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] work: +44 (0)2080083965 mob: +44 (0)7711913293 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] On Behalf Of Jim Tonge Sent: 12 October 2008 22:28 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: [backstage] iPhone iPlayer Apologies if this isn't the right place to ask - I emailed the iPlayer team through the website but got a stock thanks for your feedback response. So, with that proviso: why are the iPhone iPlayer streams not viewable over 3G? 3G has more than enough bandwidth to cope with the 512k streams, and if I'm in WiFi coverage chances are I'll watch on a laptop. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html . Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html . Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] iPhone iPlayer
Orange's acceptable use policy allows me to have 3gig in a month. 1.4gig is me going back and forth between London and Manchester on the Train and using my phone as a HSDPA modem when the cheap hotels I stay in charge 20 pounds a day for wired broadband (I kid you not!) Something which is totally against O2's iphone contract I think? Oh plus the iphone doesn't support that kind of functionality :) Talking of which, did anyone see Woz's interview where he came down hard on the locked up iphone - http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/mediatechnologyandtelecoms/3145691/Steve-Wozniak-interview-iconic-co-founder-on-the-iPod-iPhone-and-future-for-Apple.html Wow! Telegraph really need to deploy a spam catcher for there comments! Ian Forrester This e-mail is: [x] private; [] ask first; [] bloggable Senior Producer, BBC Backstage Room 1044, BBC Manchester BH, Oxford Road, M60 1SJ email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] work: +44 (0)2080083965 mob: +44 (0)7711913293 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jim Tonge Sent: 13 October 2008 00:33 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] iPhone iPlayer O2 only offer unlimited data with the iPhone though, but I can vaguely remember seeing something in the TCs about not using the data plan for streaming video. Yeah I'm on O2 so have unlimited data - the TCs thing sounds about right for a mobile company tho. Bah humbug. Ian - 1.4GB a month??! I need to make better use of my data plan. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] iPhone iPlayer
Jailbreak, then use PDAnet (available through Cydia). works over ad- hoc wifi network. On 13 Oct 2008, at 01:16, Ian Forrester wrote: Oh plus the iphone doesn't support that kind of functionality :) Jim - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] iPhone iPlayer
missed the irony. it's late... - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
