Re: [backstage] BBC site statistics - actually subtitling
For more info on this live subtitling system, have a look at this paper: http://www.bbc.co.uk/rd/pubs/whp/whp065.shtml The live re-speaking subtitling system was developed at BBC Research ( Development) down at Kingswood Warren. Cheers, Andrew BBC Research On Mon, Mar 26, 2007 at 06:25:49PM +0100, Brendan Quinn wrote: [just saw jase's post, but dammit I've typed this out now, so I'm posting!] Red Bee Media (née BBC Broadcast) does all our subtitling. I was having a beer with someone who used to work in their subtitling area the other day, and got an interesting explanation of how it works. They actually do use voice recognition systems, but the systems are trained to recognise only one voice reliably, so the subtitlers spend months and months in front of the computer saying strange words until the system is trained to their voice. Then they take short shifts listening to the live broadcast and repeating any voices they hear into the system, which then magically converts their speech into text. They can pre-load the system with the types of words they are likely to hear given the type of show, but with some shows the subject range can be so diverse that they have to leave the domain filter wide open and thus have less accuracy on word matching. Pre-recorded subtitling works differently, obviously -- they can take time to pause the playout and get it right. Most of these subtitlers are ex-courtroom steganographers. There are a few case studies etc here: http://www.redbeemedia.com/access/subtitling.shtml Someone from RBM might like to chip in here with more explanations, in the spirit of information sharing... Of course, Other Subtitling Providers Are Available (er... I think?!) Brendan. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Christopher Woods Sent: 26 March 2007 17:53 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: RE: [backstage] BBC site statistics Here's a thought regarding subtitling - I know that manual subtitling or on-the-fly subtitling of live programmes has come along leaps and bounds, with voice recognition technology (which sometimes kicks up amusing misunderstandings, but seems to work very well) - how long do you think it'll be before it's all fully automatic, with the software performing voice recognition on the actual soundtrack in realtime? After seeing the lip reading segment on the last Click, it got me thinking... Who does the Beeb's subs now? -Original Message- From: Jason Cartwright [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 26 March 2007 17:41 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: RE: [backstage] BBC site statistics The annual report designers like big numbers too.. http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbctrust/assets/files/pdf/review_report_r esearch/bb cannualreport.pdf Lots of boxes saying interesting things like: 56% of children in Great Britain aged 7-15 accessed bbc.co.uk/CBBC in December 2005 91.6% of programming on BBC One was subtitled in 2005/2006 etc etc J -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Christopher Woods Sent: 26 March 2007 17:26 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: RE: [backstage] BBC site statistics Something I noticed earlier today - the BBC News pages show how many pages have been served in the past minute, and that cycles round with other facts about the site... When I was looking earlier this morning (around middayish) it showed over 73,000 pages served THAT MINUTE - that's insane! Right now it's saying 82,357 people are reading stories on the site right now. ! Sometimes I forget just how massive the audience is for the beebnews pages... -Original Message- From: Richard Lockwood [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 26 March 2007 11:22 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] BBC site statistics I've always found that the more technical or geeky a site is, the higher %age of non-IE users you'll find. For a consumer website - IE all the way. Which goes to prove my point that real people use IE, geeks use Firefox. :-) Yesterday's stats from a (very much consumer-orientated) site that I manage: IE (total) 87.3% made up of: IE 5.5 - 0.1% IE 6 - 40.1% IE 7 - 47.1% Safari - 0.8% Opera - 0.6% FF (all flavours) - 11.3% Not a single hit from anything else. Cheers, R. On 3/26/07, Brian Butterworth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just for the record, I have a UK-focused site, so I have these figures for March 2007: www.ukfree.tv Internet explorer is 66% of all traffic. of which 7.0 52% (34.63% of total); 6.0 47% (31.4% of total), 5.0 (0.8% of total) (Firefox is 28.78% of total, Opera 1% of total) On the OS front, I get Windows NT/XP/Vista: 88
RE: [backstage] BBC site statistics
Lots of boxes saying interesting things like: 56% of children in Great Britain aged 7-15 accessed bbc.co.uk/CBBC in December 2005 Did they? They must like visiting 404 pages then ;) - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] BBC site statistics
Of course, Other Subtitling Providers Are Available (er... I think?!) Yes. ITFC - they do ITV's subtitling apparently. http://www.itfc.com/?pid=1 - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] BBC site statistics
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of K Schmitt On 3/26/07, Brendan Quinn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Pre-recorded subtitling works differently, obviously -- they can take time to pause the playout and get it right. Most of these subtitlers are ex-courtroom steganographers. /giggles this may LOOK like just a gallery of cute kittens in boxes, but the whole transcript of the OJ Simpson trial has been clever hidden in there! -K Oh yeah! Perhaps I meant stenographers I've obviously been reading too much Neal Stephenson recently ;-) Brendan. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] BBC site statistics
Just for the record, I have a UK-focused site, so I have these figures for March 2007: HYPERLINK http://www.ukfree.tvwww.ukfree.tv Internet explorer is 66% of all traffic. of which 7.0 52% (34.63% of total); 6.0 47% (31.4% of total), 5.0 (0.8% of total) (Firefox is 28.78% of total, Opera 1% of total) On the OS front, I get Windows NT/XP/Vista: 88%, Mac 4.8%, Windows 98 2.85 and XWindows 1.26% Hope this is useful too. Brian Butterworth HYPERLINK http://www.ukfree.tv/www.ukfree.tv Email: HYPERLINK mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of James Cridland Sent: 25 March 2007 16:57 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] BBC site statistics On 3/23/07, Allan Jardine HYPERLINK mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm wondering if anyone knows any of the site statistics for the BBC web-sites. In particular what the browser market share is, as I am wondering how much longer to support IE5 and 5.5 for certain sites - depending on their application and target market. I thing the BBC site user agent stats would be really interesting in this area, and possibly one of the least skewed se of statistics on the net for typical user agents. Not particularly helpful, but HYPERLINK http://www.bbc.co.uk/guidelines/newmedia/technical/browser_support.shtml#su pport_tablehttp://www.bbc.co.uk/guidelines/newmedia/technical/browser_suppo rt.shtml#support_table is a useful guide to what the BBC supports and what it doesn't. From the sites I can pull stats from, these are the stats for the last seven days... HYPERLINK http://www.mediauk.comwww.mediauk.com Internet Explorer: 85% of all traffic of which: 6.0: 59.09%; 7.0: 39.9%; rest: 1.01% HYPERLINK http://james.cridland.netjames.cridland.net Internet Explorer: 44% of all traffic of which: 6.0: 60.91%; 7.0: 38.42%; rest: 0.67% HYPERLINK http://www.virginradio.co.ukwww.virginradio.co.uk Internet Explorer: 85% of all traffic of which: 6.0: 62.28% ; 7.0: 37.14%; rest 0.58% Particularly based on the Media UK and Virgin Radio stats, my own thoughts would therefore be to drop any support for MSIE5 and MSIE5.5. Hope that's useful. -- HYPERLINK http://james.cridland.net/http://james.cridland.net/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.17/731 - Release Date: 23/03/2007 15:27 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.18/733 - Release Date: 25/03/2007 11:07
Re: [backstage] BBC site statistics
I've always found that the more technical or geeky a site is, the higher %age of non-IE users you'll find. For a consumer website - IE all the way. Which goes to prove my point that real people use IE, geeks use Firefox. :-) Yesterday's stats from a (very much consumer-orientated) site that I manage: IE (total) 87.3% made up of: IE 5.5 - 0.1% IE 6 - 40.1% IE 7 - 47.1% Safari - 0.8% Opera - 0.6% FF (all flavours) - 11.3% Not a single hit from anything else. Cheers, R. On 3/26/07, Brian Butterworth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just for the record, I have a UK-focused site, so I have these figures for March 2007: www.ukfree.tv Internet explorer is 66% of all traffic. of which 7.0 52% (34.63% of total); 6.0 47% (31.4% of total), 5.0 (0.8% of total) (Firefox is 28.78% of total, Opera 1% of total) On the OS front, I get Windows NT/XP/Vista: 88%, Mac 4.8%, Windows 98 2.85 and XWindows 1.26% Hope this is useful too. Brian Butterworth www.ukfree.tv Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of James Cridland Sent: 25 March 2007 16:57 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] BBC site statistics On 3/23/07, Allan Jardine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm wondering if anyone knows any of the site statistics for the BBC web-sites. In particular what the browser market share is, as I am wondering how much longer to support IE5 and 5.5 for certain sites - depending on their application and target market. I thing the BBC site user agent stats would be really interesting in this area, and possibly one of the least skewed se of statistics on the net for typical user agents. Not particularly helpful, but http://www.bbc.co.uk/guidelines/newmedia/technical/browser_support.shtml#support_table is a useful guide to what the BBC supports and what it doesn't. From the sites I can pull stats from, these are the stats for the last seven days... www.mediauk.com Internet Explorer: 85% of all traffic of which: 6.0: 59.09%; 7.0: 39.9%; rest: 1.01% james.cridland.net Internet Explorer: 44% of all traffic of which: 6.0: 60.91%; 7.0: 38.42%; rest: 0.67% www.virginradio.co.uk Internet Explorer: 85% of all traffic of which: 6.0: 62.28% ; 7.0: 37.14%; rest 0.58% Particularly based on the Media UK and Virgin Radio stats, my own thoughts would therefore be to drop any support for MSIE5 and MSIE5.5. Hope that's useful. -- http://james.cridland.net/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.17/731 - Release Date: 23/03/2007 15:27 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.18/733 - Release Date: 25/03/2007 11:07 - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] BBC site statistics
Something I noticed earlier today - the BBC News pages show how many pages have been served in the past minute, and that cycles round with other facts about the site... When I was looking earlier this morning (around middayish) it showed over 73,000 pages served THAT MINUTE - that's insane! Right now it's saying 82,357 people are reading stories on the site right now. ! Sometimes I forget just how massive the audience is for the beebnews pages... -Original Message- From: Richard Lockwood [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 26 March 2007 11:22 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] BBC site statistics I've always found that the more technical or geeky a site is, the higher %age of non-IE users you'll find. For a consumer website - IE all the way. Which goes to prove my point that real people use IE, geeks use Firefox. :-) Yesterday's stats from a (very much consumer-orientated) site that I manage: IE (total) 87.3% made up of: IE 5.5 - 0.1% IE 6 - 40.1% IE 7 - 47.1% Safari - 0.8% Opera - 0.6% FF (all flavours) - 11.3% Not a single hit from anything else. Cheers, R. On 3/26/07, Brian Butterworth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just for the record, I have a UK-focused site, so I have these figures for March 2007: www.ukfree.tv Internet explorer is 66% of all traffic. of which 7.0 52% (34.63% of total); 6.0 47% (31.4% of total), 5.0 (0.8% of total) (Firefox is 28.78% of total, Opera 1% of total) On the OS front, I get Windows NT/XP/Vista: 88%, Mac 4.8%, Windows 98 2.85 and XWindows 1.26% Hope this is useful too. Brian Butterworth www.ukfree.tv Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of James Cridland Sent: 25 March 2007 16:57 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] BBC site statistics On 3/23/07, Allan Jardine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm wondering if anyone knows any of the site statistics for the BBC web-sites. In particular what the browser market share is, as I am wondering how much longer to support IE5 and 5.5 for certain sites - depending on their application and target market. I thing the BBC site user agent stats would be really interesting in this area, and possibly one of the least skewed se of statistics on the net for typical user agents. Not particularly helpful, but http://www.bbc.co.uk/guidelines/newmedia/technical/browser_support.sht ml#support_table is a useful guide to what the BBC supports and what it doesn't. From the sites I can pull stats from, these are the stats for the last seven days... www.mediauk.com Internet Explorer: 85% of all traffic of which: 6.0: 59.09%; 7.0: 39.9%; rest: 1.01% james.cridland.net Internet Explorer: 44% of all traffic of which: 6.0: 60.91%; 7.0: 38.42%; rest: 0.67% www.virginradio.co.uk Internet Explorer: 85% of all traffic of which: 6.0: 62.28% ; 7.0: 37.14%; rest 0.58% Particularly based on the Media UK and Virgin Radio stats, my own thoughts would therefore be to drop any support for MSIE5 and MSIE5.5. Hope that's useful. -- http://james.cridland.net/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.17/731 - Release Date: 23/03/2007 15:27 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.18/733 - Release Date: 25/03/2007 11:07 - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] BBC site statistics
The annual report designers like big numbers too.. http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbctrust/assets/files/pdf/review_report_research/bb cannualreport.pdf Lots of boxes saying interesting things like: 56% of children in Great Britain aged 7-15 accessed bbc.co.uk/CBBC in December 2005 91.6% of programming on BBC One was subtitled in 2005/2006 etc etc J -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Christopher Woods Sent: 26 March 2007 17:26 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: RE: [backstage] BBC site statistics Something I noticed earlier today - the BBC News pages show how many pages have been served in the past minute, and that cycles round with other facts about the site... When I was looking earlier this morning (around middayish) it showed over 73,000 pages served THAT MINUTE - that's insane! Right now it's saying 82,357 people are reading stories on the site right now. ! Sometimes I forget just how massive the audience is for the beebnews pages... -Original Message- From: Richard Lockwood [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 26 March 2007 11:22 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] BBC site statistics I've always found that the more technical or geeky a site is, the higher %age of non-IE users you'll find. For a consumer website - IE all the way. Which goes to prove my point that real people use IE, geeks use Firefox. :-) Yesterday's stats from a (very much consumer-orientated) site that I manage: IE (total) 87.3% made up of: IE 5.5 - 0.1% IE 6 - 40.1% IE 7 - 47.1% Safari - 0.8% Opera - 0.6% FF (all flavours) - 11.3% Not a single hit from anything else. Cheers, R. On 3/26/07, Brian Butterworth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just for the record, I have a UK-focused site, so I have these figures for March 2007: www.ukfree.tv Internet explorer is 66% of all traffic. of which 7.0 52% (34.63% of total); 6.0 47% (31.4% of total), 5.0 (0.8% of total) (Firefox is 28.78% of total, Opera 1% of total) On the OS front, I get Windows NT/XP/Vista: 88%, Mac 4.8%, Windows 98 2.85 and XWindows 1.26% Hope this is useful too. Brian Butterworth www.ukfree.tv Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of James Cridland Sent: 25 March 2007 16:57 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] BBC site statistics On 3/23/07, Allan Jardine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm wondering if anyone knows any of the site statistics for the BBC web-sites. In particular what the browser market share is, as I am wondering how much longer to support IE5 and 5.5 for certain sites - depending on their application and target market. I thing the BBC site user agent stats would be really interesting in this area, and possibly one of the least skewed se of statistics on the net for typical user agents. Not particularly helpful, but http://www.bbc.co.uk/guidelines/newmedia/technical/browser_support.sht ml#support_table is a useful guide to what the BBC supports and what it doesn't. From the sites I can pull stats from, these are the stats for the last seven days... www.mediauk.com Internet Explorer: 85% of all traffic of which: 6.0: 59.09%; 7.0: 39.9%; rest: 1.01% james.cridland.net Internet Explorer: 44% of all traffic of which: 6.0: 60.91%; 7.0: 38.42%; rest: 0.67% www.virginradio.co.uk Internet Explorer: 85% of all traffic of which: 6.0: 62.28% ; 7.0: 37.14%; rest 0.58% Particularly based on the Media UK and Virgin Radio stats, my own thoughts would therefore be to drop any support for MSIE5 and MSIE5.5. Hope that's useful. -- http://james.cridland.net/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.17/731 - Release Date: 23/03/2007 15:27 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.18/733 - Release Date: 25/03/2007 11:07 - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] BBC site statistics
Here's a thought regarding subtitling - I know that manual subtitling or on-the-fly subtitling of live programmes has come along leaps and bounds, with voice recognition technology (which sometimes kicks up amusing misunderstandings, but seems to work very well) - how long do you think it'll be before it's all fully automatic, with the software performing voice recognition on the actual soundtrack in realtime? After seeing the lip reading segment on the last Click, it got me thinking... Who does the Beeb's subs now? -Original Message- From: Jason Cartwright [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 26 March 2007 17:41 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: RE: [backstage] BBC site statistics The annual report designers like big numbers too.. http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbctrust/assets/files/pdf/review_report_r esearch/bb cannualreport.pdf Lots of boxes saying interesting things like: 56% of children in Great Britain aged 7-15 accessed bbc.co.uk/CBBC in December 2005 91.6% of programming on BBC One was subtitled in 2005/2006 etc etc J -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Christopher Woods Sent: 26 March 2007 17:26 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: RE: [backstage] BBC site statistics Something I noticed earlier today - the BBC News pages show how many pages have been served in the past minute, and that cycles round with other facts about the site... When I was looking earlier this morning (around middayish) it showed over 73,000 pages served THAT MINUTE - that's insane! Right now it's saying 82,357 people are reading stories on the site right now. ! Sometimes I forget just how massive the audience is for the beebnews pages... -Original Message- From: Richard Lockwood [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 26 March 2007 11:22 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] BBC site statistics I've always found that the more technical or geeky a site is, the higher %age of non-IE users you'll find. For a consumer website - IE all the way. Which goes to prove my point that real people use IE, geeks use Firefox. :-) Yesterday's stats from a (very much consumer-orientated) site that I manage: IE (total) 87.3% made up of: IE 5.5 - 0.1% IE 6 - 40.1% IE 7 - 47.1% Safari - 0.8% Opera - 0.6% FF (all flavours) - 11.3% Not a single hit from anything else. Cheers, R. On 3/26/07, Brian Butterworth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just for the record, I have a UK-focused site, so I have these figures for March 2007: www.ukfree.tv Internet explorer is 66% of all traffic. of which 7.0 52% (34.63% of total); 6.0 47% (31.4% of total), 5.0 (0.8% of total) (Firefox is 28.78% of total, Opera 1% of total) On the OS front, I get Windows NT/XP/Vista: 88%, Mac 4.8%, Windows 98 2.85 and XWindows 1.26% Hope this is useful too. Brian Butterworth www.ukfree.tv Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of James Cridland Sent: 25 March 2007 16:57 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] BBC site statistics On 3/23/07, Allan Jardine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm wondering if anyone knows any of the site statistics for the BBC web-sites. In particular what the browser market share is, as I am wondering how much longer to support IE5 and 5.5 for certain sites - depending on their application and target market. I thing the BBC site user agent stats would be really interesting in this area, and possibly one of the least skewed se of statistics on the net for typical user agents. Not particularly helpful, but http://www.bbc.co.uk/guidelines/newmedia/technical/browser_support.sht ml#support_table is a useful guide to what the BBC supports and what it doesn't. From the sites I can pull stats from, these are the stats for the last seven days... www.mediauk.com Internet Explorer: 85% of all traffic of which: 6.0: 59.09%; 7.0: 39.9%; rest: 1.01% james.cridland.net Internet Explorer: 44% of all traffic of which: 6.0: 60.91%; 7.0: 38.42%; rest: 0.67% www.virginradio.co.uk Internet Explorer: 85% of all traffic of which: 6.0: 62.28% ; 7.0: 37.14%; rest 0.58% Particularly based on the Media UK and Virgin Radio stats, my own thoughts would therefore be to drop any support for MSIE5 and MSIE5.5. Hope that's useful. -- http://james.cridland.net/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.17/731 - Release Date: 23/03/2007 15:27 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version
RE: [backstage] BBC site statistics
I believe these guys do most/all of it... http://www.redbeemedia.com/access/subtitling.shtml I remember watching an excellent video that showed the typing re-reading methods of subtitling. Can't find it right now, sorry. Bonus link: whilst googling around I found this little gem (if you're a font geek)... http://screenfont.ca/fonts/today/TKST/ J -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Christopher Woods Sent: 26 March 2007 17:53 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: RE: [backstage] BBC site statistics Here's a thought regarding subtitling - I know that manual subtitling or on-the-fly subtitling of live programmes has come along leaps and bounds, with voice recognition technology (which sometimes kicks up amusing misunderstandings, but seems to work very well) - how long do you think it'll be before it's all fully automatic, with the software performing voice recognition on the actual soundtrack in realtime? After seeing the lip reading segment on the last Click, it got me thinking... Who does the Beeb's subs now? -Original Message- From: Jason Cartwright [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 26 March 2007 17:41 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: RE: [backstage] BBC site statistics The annual report designers like big numbers too.. http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbctrust/assets/files/pdf/review_report_r esearch/bb cannualreport.pdf Lots of boxes saying interesting things like: 56% of children in Great Britain aged 7-15 accessed bbc.co.uk/CBBC in December 2005 91.6% of programming on BBC One was subtitled in 2005/2006 etc etc J -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Christopher Woods Sent: 26 March 2007 17:26 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: RE: [backstage] BBC site statistics Something I noticed earlier today - the BBC News pages show how many pages have been served in the past minute, and that cycles round with other facts about the site... When I was looking earlier this morning (around middayish) it showed over 73,000 pages served THAT MINUTE - that's insane! Right now it's saying 82,357 people are reading stories on the site right now. ! Sometimes I forget just how massive the audience is for the beebnews pages... -Original Message- From: Richard Lockwood [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 26 March 2007 11:22 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] BBC site statistics I've always found that the more technical or geeky a site is, the higher %age of non-IE users you'll find. For a consumer website - IE all the way. Which goes to prove my point that real people use IE, geeks use Firefox. :-) Yesterday's stats from a (very much consumer-orientated) site that I manage: IE (total) 87.3% made up of: IE 5.5 - 0.1% IE 6 - 40.1% IE 7 - 47.1% Safari - 0.8% Opera - 0.6% FF (all flavours) - 11.3% Not a single hit from anything else. Cheers, R. On 3/26/07, Brian Butterworth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just for the record, I have a UK-focused site, so I have these figures for March 2007: www.ukfree.tv Internet explorer is 66% of all traffic. of which 7.0 52% (34.63% of total); 6.0 47% (31.4% of total), 5.0 (0.8% of total) (Firefox is 28.78% of total, Opera 1% of total) On the OS front, I get Windows NT/XP/Vista: 88%, Mac 4.8%, Windows 98 2.85 and XWindows 1.26% Hope this is useful too. Brian Butterworth www.ukfree.tv Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of James Cridland Sent: 25 March 2007 16:57 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] BBC site statistics On 3/23/07, Allan Jardine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm wondering if anyone knows any of the site statistics for the BBC web-sites. In particular what the browser market share is, as I am wondering how much longer to support IE5 and 5.5 for certain sites - depending on their application and target market. I thing the BBC site user agent stats would be really interesting in this area, and possibly one of the least skewed se of statistics on the net for typical user agents. Not particularly helpful, but http://www.bbc.co.uk/guidelines/newmedia/technical/browser_support.sht ml#support_table is a useful guide to what the BBC supports and what it doesn't. From the sites I can pull stats from, these are the stats for the last seven days... www.mediauk.com Internet Explorer: 85% of all traffic of which: 6.0: 59.09%; 7.0: 39.9%; rest: 1.01% james.cridland.net Internet Explorer: 44% of all traffic of which: 6.0: 60.91%; 7.0: 38.42%; rest: 0.67% www.virginradio.co.uk Internet Explorer: 85% of all traffic of which: 6.0
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[just saw jase's post, but dammit I've typed this out now, so I'm posting!] Red Bee Media (née BBC Broadcast) does all our subtitling. I was having a beer with someone who used to work in their subtitling area the other day, and got an interesting explanation of how it works. They actually do use voice recognition systems, but the systems are trained to recognise only one voice reliably, so the subtitlers spend months and months in front of the computer saying strange words until the system is trained to their voice. Then they take short shifts listening to the live broadcast and repeating any voices they hear into the system, which then magically converts their speech into text. They can pre-load the system with the types of words they are likely to hear given the type of show, but with some shows the subject range can be so diverse that they have to leave the domain filter wide open and thus have less accuracy on word matching. Pre-recorded subtitling works differently, obviously -- they can take time to pause the playout and get it right. Most of these subtitlers are ex-courtroom steganographers. There are a few case studies etc here: http://www.redbeemedia.com/access/subtitling.shtml Someone from RBM might like to chip in here with more explanations, in the spirit of information sharing... Of course, Other Subtitling Providers Are Available (er... I think?!) Brendan. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Christopher Woods Sent: 26 March 2007 17:53 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: RE: [backstage] BBC site statistics Here's a thought regarding subtitling - I know that manual subtitling or on-the-fly subtitling of live programmes has come along leaps and bounds, with voice recognition technology (which sometimes kicks up amusing misunderstandings, but seems to work very well) - how long do you think it'll be before it's all fully automatic, with the software performing voice recognition on the actual soundtrack in realtime? After seeing the lip reading segment on the last Click, it got me thinking... Who does the Beeb's subs now? -Original Message- From: Jason Cartwright [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 26 March 2007 17:41 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: RE: [backstage] BBC site statistics The annual report designers like big numbers too.. http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbctrust/assets/files/pdf/review_report_r esearch/bb cannualreport.pdf Lots of boxes saying interesting things like: 56% of children in Great Britain aged 7-15 accessed bbc.co.uk/CBBC in December 2005 91.6% of programming on BBC One was subtitled in 2005/2006 etc etc J -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Christopher Woods Sent: 26 March 2007 17:26 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: RE: [backstage] BBC site statistics Something I noticed earlier today - the BBC News pages show how many pages have been served in the past minute, and that cycles round with other facts about the site... When I was looking earlier this morning (around middayish) it showed over 73,000 pages served THAT MINUTE - that's insane! Right now it's saying 82,357 people are reading stories on the site right now. ! Sometimes I forget just how massive the audience is for the beebnews pages... -Original Message- From: Richard Lockwood [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 26 March 2007 11:22 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] BBC site statistics I've always found that the more technical or geeky a site is, the higher %age of non-IE users you'll find. For a consumer website - IE all the way. Which goes to prove my point that real people use IE, geeks use Firefox. :-) Yesterday's stats from a (very much consumer-orientated) site that I manage: IE (total) 87.3% made up of: IE 5.5 - 0.1% IE 6 - 40.1% IE 7 - 47.1% Safari - 0.8% Opera - 0.6% FF (all flavours) - 11.3% Not a single hit from anything else. Cheers, R. On 3/26/07, Brian Butterworth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just for the record, I have a UK-focused site, so I have these figures for March 2007: www.ukfree.tv Internet explorer is 66% of all traffic. of which 7.0 52% (34.63% of total); 6.0 47% (31.4% of total), 5.0 (0.8% of total) (Firefox is 28.78% of total, Opera 1% of total) On the OS front, I get Windows NT/XP/Vista: 88%, Mac 4.8%, Windows 98 2.85 and XWindows 1.26% Hope this is useful too. Brian Butterworth www.ukfree.tv Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of James Cridland Sent: 25 March 2007 16:57 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] BBC site statistics On 3/23/07, Allan Jardine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm
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On 3/26/07, Brendan Quinn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Pre-recorded subtitling works differently, obviously -- they can take time to pause the playout and get it right. Most of these subtitlers are ex-courtroom steganographers. /giggles this may LOOK like just a gallery of cute kittens in boxes, but the whole transcript of the OJ Simpson trial has been clever hidden in there! -K - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
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On 3/23/07, Allan Jardine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm wondering if anyone knows any of the site statistics for the BBC web-sites. In particular what the browser market share is, as I am wondering how much longer to support IE5 and 5.5 for certain sites - depending on their application and target market. I thing the BBC site user agent stats would be really interesting in this area, and possibly one of the least skewed se of statistics on the net for typical user agents. Not particularly helpful, but http://www.bbc.co.uk/guidelines/newmedia/technical/browser_support.shtml#support_tableis a useful guide to what the BBC supports and what it doesn't. From the sites I can pull stats from, these are the stats for the last seven days... www.mediauk.com Internet Explorer: 85% of all traffic of which: 6.0: 59.09%; 7.0: 39.9%; rest: 1.01% james.cridland.net Internet Explorer: 44% of all traffic of which: 6.0: 60.91%; 7.0: 38.42%; rest: 0.67% www.virginradio.co.uk Internet Explorer: 85% of all traffic of which: 6.0: 62.28%; 7.0: 37.14%; rest 0.58% Particularly based on the Media UK and Virgin Radio stats, my own thoughts would therefore be to drop any support for MSIE5 and MSIE5.5. Hope that's useful. -- http://james.cridland.net/
