Re: [backstage] Question.. is denuding News 24 of its digits a brilliant idea?
Brian Butterworth wrote: Just a question. On Monday BBC World is going to become BBC World News. That's silly. And News 24 seems like a pretty strong brand to me. -Tim -- www.tdobson.net If each of us have one object, and we exchange them, then each of us still has one object. If each of us have one idea, and we exchange them, then each of us now has two ideas. - George Bernard Shaw - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Question.. is denuding News 24 of its digits a brilliant idea?
On 17/04/2008, Tim Dobson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Brian Butterworth wrote: Just a question. On Monday BBC World is going to become BBC World News. That's silly. And News 24 seems like a pretty strong brand to me. And it clearly passes the Ronseal test, which is all a brand has to do. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Does_exactly_what_it_says_on_the_tin -Tim -- www.tdobson.net If each of us have one object, and we exchange them, then each of us still has one object. If each of us have one idea, and we exchange them, then each of us now has two ideas. - George Bernard Shaw - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ -- Please email me back if you need any more help. Brian Butterworth http://www.ukfree.tv
RE: [backstage] Question.. is denuding News 24 of its digits a brilliant idea?
Brian - don't think this is the list to get feedback on the image shift of News 24 - this is after all the developer list for the BBC, not a general BBC Discussion list ;-) I'd suggest that you move this to a more relevant list (don't ask I don't know one) or contact News 24 directly via the various paes with 'contact us' links on and I'm sure someone will get back to you. m ___ Matthew Cashmore Development Producer BBC Future Media Technology, Research and Innovation BC4A5, Broadcast Centre, Media Village, W12 7TS T:020 8008 3959(02 83959) M:07711 913241(072 83959) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Brian Butterworth Sent: Tue 15/04/2008 13:19 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: [backstage] Question.. is denuding News 24 of its digits a brilliant idea? Just a question. On Monday BBC World is going to become BBC World News. This is an excellent idea. In the global market an news channel really needs to the word News in it. Full marks for this, and it's 100% better than BBC World Service Television, which was a laudable but long name without a decent acronym (BBCWSTV). But BBC News 24 is going to get rid of the 24, which has been in the name since Sunday 9th November 1997. Ten years of a channel associated with the number 24. Not only is this 42 backwards... but it has been the mainstay of the channel identity, even back in the Quantel flags and drum days. http://www2.tv-ark.org.uk/news/bbcnews24/index.html I know that you, dearest Auntie, have been thinking about this for a year and a half... but, I can't find anyone who thinks it is a good idea - because how do you mention the channel without putting the world channel on the end? People are going to say on the BBC News channel or on The BBC News Channel right now and so on. Not only that, but the 24 has been copied in France (France 24) and Italy (RAI News 24) and lots of other places. Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery. Now, Sky just made a big error with their silly bouncing captions[1].. can someone explain how a channel that has wiped the floor with Sky News should be denuded of it's perfectly sensible numeric appendage? Hoping for a rational explanation... Brian Butterworth http://www.ukfree.tv/fullstory.php?storyid=1107051360 PS: I have my fingers crossed that those titles with the concave satellite dishes that do not reflect the signal won't be there anymore. It's so embarrassing [2] PPS: I also have my other fingers crossed for the new channel to have stereo sound. PPPS: And a HD version. :-D --- [1] http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/mediamonkey/2008/04/monkeys_diary_from_the_mediagu_19.html *Bouncing into oblivion* Monkey's number of the day: three. The number of days (approximately) that *Sky News*'s bouncing captions survived the news channel's latest relaunch before being summarily dropped [2] But I got an apoology from Panorama. winmail.dat
RE: [backstage] Question.. is denuding News 24 of its digits a brilliant idea?
try saying it's not technical when you're trying to get the /programmes news 24 urls right ;-) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Matthew Cashmore Sent: Tue 4/15/2008 2:37 PM To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: RE: [backstage] Question.. is denuding News 24 of its digits a brilliant idea? Brian - don't think this is the list to get feedback on the image shift of News 24 - this is after all the developer list for the BBC, not a general BBC Discussion list ;-) I'd suggest that you move this to a more relevant list (don't ask I don't know one) or contact News 24 directly via the various paes with 'contact us' links on and I'm sure someone will get back to you. m ___ Matthew Cashmore Development Producer BBC Future Media Technology, Research and Innovation BC4A5, Broadcast Centre, Media Village, W12 7TS T:020 8008 3959(02 83959) M:07711 913241(072 83959) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Brian Butterworth Sent: Tue 15/04/2008 13:19 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: [backstage] Question.. is denuding News 24 of its digits a brilliant idea? Just a question. On Monday BBC World is going to become BBC World News. This is an excellent idea. In the global market an news channel really needs to the word News in it. Full marks for this, and it's 100% better than BBC World Service Television, which was a laudable but long name without a decent acronym (BBCWSTV). But BBC News 24 is going to get rid of the 24, which has been in the name since Sunday 9th November 1997. Ten years of a channel associated with the number 24. Not only is this 42 backwards... but it has been the mainstay of the channel identity, even back in the Quantel flags and drum days. http://www2.tv-ark.org.uk/news/bbcnews24/index.html I know that you, dearest Auntie, have been thinking about this for a year and a half... but, I can't find anyone who thinks it is a good idea - because how do you mention the channel without putting the world channel on the end? People are going to say on the BBC News channel or on The BBC News Channel right now and so on. Not only that, but the 24 has been copied in France (France 24) and Italy (RAI News 24) and lots of other places. Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery. Now, Sky just made a big error with their silly bouncing captions[1].. can someone explain how a channel that has wiped the floor with Sky News should be denuded of it's perfectly sensible numeric appendage? Hoping for a rational explanation... Brian Butterworth http://www.ukfree.tv/fullstory.php?storyid=1107051360 PS: I have my fingers crossed that those titles with the concave satellite dishes that do not reflect the signal won't be there anymore. It's so embarrassing [2] PPS: I also have my other fingers crossed for the new channel to have stereo sound. PPPS: And a HD version. :-D --- [1] http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/mediamonkey/2008/04/monkeys_diary_from_the_mediagu_19.html *Bouncing into oblivion* Monkey's number of the day: three. The number of days (approximately) that *Sky News*'s bouncing captions survived the news channel's latest relaunch before being summarily dropped [2] But I got an apoology from Panorama. winmail.dat
RE: [backstage] Question.. is denuding News 24 of its digits a brilliant idea?
Saying BBC News doesn't make much sense either as there are lots of BBC News programme transmissions other than News 24 (notwithstanding the fact that so many of the transmissions have more or less the same content, so it doesn't really matter where you've seen it). BBC 24 would (IMO) have been a better bit of branding ... especially as the channel covers more than just raw news stuff. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Ryan Morrison Sent: 15 April 2008 14:55 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] Question.. is denuding News 24 of its digits a brilliant idea? Without wanting to drag an off topic discussion on any more than is necessary - there is a simple explanation. At the moment when refering to BBC News 24 most people just say News 24 so did you see that interview on News 24 last night I know I've done it. It's all about branding and brand awareness - by changing the name to BBC News people have to use the BBC as just saying News Channel doesn't make much sense. So the awareness of it as a BBC brand thus increases. Anyway - thanks. Michael Smethurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: try saying it's not technical when you're trying to get the /programmes news 24 urls right ;-) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Matthew Cashmore Sent: Tue 4/15/2008 2:37 PM To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: RE: [backstage] Question.. is denuding News 24 of its digits a brilliant idea? Brian - don't think this is the list to get feedback on the image shift of News 24 - this is after all the developer list for the BBC, not a general BBC Discussion list ;-) I'd suggest that you move this to a more relevant list (don't ask I don't know one) or contact News 24 directly via the various paes with 'contact us' links on and I'm sure someone will get back to you. m ___ Matthew Cashmore Development Producer BBC Future Media Technology, Research and Innovation BC4A5, Broadcast Centre, Media Village, W12 7TS T:020 8008 3959(02 83959) M:07711 913241(072 83959) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Brian Butterworth Sent: Tue 15/04/2008 13:19 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: [backstage] Question.. is denuding News 24 of its digits a brilliant idea? Just a question. On Monday BBC World is going to become BBC World News. This is an excellent idea. In the global market an news channel really needs to the word News in it. Full marks for this, and it's 100% better than BBC World Service Television, which was a laudable but long name without a decent acronym (BBCWSTV). But BBC News 24 is going to get rid of the 24, which has been in the name since Sunday 9th November 1997. Ten years of a channel associated with the number 24. Not only is this 42 backwards... but it has been the mainstay of the channel identity, even back in the Quantel flags and drum days. http://www2.tv-ark.org.uk/news/bbcnews24/index.html I know that you, dearest Auntie, have been thinking about this for a year and a half... but, I can't find anyone who thinks it is a good idea - because how do you mention the channel without putting the world channel on the end? People are going to say on the BBC News channel or on The BBC News Channel right now and so on. Not only that, but the 24 has been copied in France (France 24) and Italy (RAI News 24) and lots of other places. Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery. Now, Sky just made a big error with their silly bouncing captions[1].. can someone explain how a channel that has wiped the floor with Sky News should be denuded of it's perfectly sensible numeric appendage? Hoping for a rational explanation... Brian Butterworth http://www.ukfree.tv/fullstory.php?storyid=1107051360 PS: I have my fingers crossed that those titles with the concave satellite dishes that do not reflect the signal won't be there anymore. It's so embarrassing [2] PPS: I also have my other fingers crossed for the new channel to have stereo sound. PPPS: And a HD version. :-D --- [1] http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/mediamonkey/2008/04/monkeys_diary_from_the_media gu_19.html *Bouncing into oblivion* Monkey's number of the day: three. The number of days (approximately) that *Sky News*'s bouncing captions survived the news channel's latest relaunch before being summarily dropped [2] But I got an apoology from Panorama. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com
Re: [backstage] Question.. is denuding News 24 of its digits a brilliant idea?
On 15/04/2008, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Saying BBC News doesn't make much sense either as there are lots of BBC News programme transmissions other than News 24 (notwithstanding the fact that so many of the transmissions have more or less the same content, so it doesn't really matter where you've seen it). BBC 24 would (IMO) have been a better bit of branding ... especially as the channel covers more than just raw news stuff. cf 'CBBC' (generic brand for childrens content strand found all over the place) and 'CBBC Channel' (name for channel which carries lots of the above). (I can't believe I just posted in this thread... aarrgghh) -- Peter Bowyer Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Follow me on Twitter: twitter.com/peeebeee - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
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There's a few clauses in the CA license that the current version of the CC licences don't support - specifically the No-Endorsements and UK-only specifications. However, if the Beeb (and their partners in the CA project could be prepared to drop the UK-only clause - which would appear to be a not unpopular move with license payers based on an informal petition carried out last year) then the CA license could potentially be made compatible with CC v3.0 (which includes a no-endorsements option) if not entirely replaced by CC. Free Culture UK were doing some campaigning on this issue last year, but that seems to have stagnated recently. I'm going to see if II can kick it back to life at some point. Any help from anyone else who is keen to support this issue would be gratefully received! Cheers, Tim On 3/5/07, Christopher Woods [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Believe not so due to licensing / royalty agreements, hence their Creative Archive license instead. Could be wrong, but that's from memory so ymmv. It makes sense to me, don't fix what's not broken etc. -Original Message- From: Gordon Joly [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 04 March 2007 23:21 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: [backstage] Question. http://www.frankieroberto.com/weblog/ Could the BBC's Creative Archive project switch to Creative Commons licences? Gordo -- Think Feynman/ http://pobox.com/~gordo/ [EMAIL PROTECTED]/// - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] Question.
Believe not so due to licensing / royalty agreements, hence their Creative Archive license instead. Could be wrong, but that's from memory so ymmv. It makes sense to me, don't fix what's not broken etc. -Original Message- From: Gordon Joly [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 04 March 2007 23:21 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: [backstage] Question. http://www.frankieroberto.com/weblog/ Could the BBC's Creative Archive project switch to Creative Commons licences? Gordo -- Think Feynman/ http://pobox.com/~gordo/ [EMAIL PROTECTED]/// - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
