Most of which are caused by the use of XHTML style tags within a HTML
4.0 doctype, along with that age old favourite, not encoding the &'s (oh
the bain of my life that one!)

I suspect whacking an XHTML doctype on would solve a lot of the
additional errors that are thrown up - the W3C validator does seem to
get a little confused by the former.


I started at the BBC as a client side developer doing HTML and
JavaScript (starting in 2000), and I do know that the people who build
the BBC website are passionate about doing a good job - about
accessibility, about validation.  It used to annoy me no end that
certain coding practises I had to at the time in order to make the
designs work [1].  However the BBC website is a large thing with many
people and many systems involved.  Changing practises on it will take
time :(

Not an excuse, just an explanation.


For contrast it might be worth looking at this checked BBC News page
from February 2000.
http://validator.w3.org/check?verbose=1&uri=http%3A%2F%2Fweb.archive.org
%2Fweb%2F20000229064106%2Fhttp%3A%2F%2Fnews.bbc.co.uk%2F

Yes there's less errors, but <sucks through teeth> the types of errors
found... Tut tut tut!  Alt tags missing all over the place...  So things
have got better in some ways...



[1] I spotted this old chesnut in the BBC News website - 

<table>
<form>
<tr><td><input type="text"></td></tr>
</form>
</table>

a horrible hack which predates mainstream CSS usage and which allowed us
to place a form in a page and not have a 1 line margin underneath it.
Obviously you can use CSS now, so I suspect it's a piece of code that
has just been kept in through successive recodes...



> -----Original Message-----
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> Jonathan Chetwynd
> Sent: 01 November 2006 18:31
> To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk
> Subject: [backstage] checks & balances: validating the BBC
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> checks & balances: validating the BBC
> 
> http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http://news.bbc.co.uk
> 97 errors which is about par
> 
> makes it difficult to consider or discuss the accessibility 
> of BBC web1.0 product.
> suffice it to say they have a process all there own, which 
> awaits an independent accessibility audit report, afaik.
> there have been some published reports that discuss small 
> parts of the rather large whole....
> 
> It will require some hard talking to ensure that web2.0 
> product is an improvement in accessibility.
> 
> The media player wasn't smil compliant last time they asked 
> for reviews, whereas realplayer makes an attempt...
> 
> cheers
> 
> Jonathan Chetwynd
> 
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