Re: [BackupPC-users] Q: BackupPC problems with Samba 3.0.22+ ? A: blacklist samba
On Sat, 2006-07-29 at 14:16, Bill Hudacek wrote: > As I said, this is the first time I've seen such a foolish > use of something as powerful as Yum. You don't have to run it unattended... Yum doesn't push - your copy pulls. > I still maintain that if there are that many changes, or there are > changes of such import that they ***break*** existing environments, they > should be included in a major release, not pushed to users at night! Unfortunately, unless fedora users install these updates no one would ever know what they will do to existing environments. -- Les Mikesell [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT & business topics through brief surveys -- and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.php&p=sourceforge&CID=DEVDEV ___ BackupPC-users mailing list BackupPC-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/backuppc-users http://backuppc.sourceforge.net/
Re: [BackupPC-users] Q: BackupPC problems with Samba 3.0.22+ ? A: blacklist samba
Les Mikesell wrote: > On Sat, 2006-07-29 at 12:28, Bill Hudacek wrote: > >> Fedora Core and Yum is a great system for automatically updating your >> system. but only when you can trust it. This is the first time it's >> really and truly failed me - and it's been a disaster. > > If that is the first thing you have had break in a fedora > update, consider yourself lucky. It is the nature of that > distribution to push new development to users as quickly as > possible - and realistically, if they didn't, things never > would be tested and fixed. It is usually worth the trouble > to get up to date desktop apps which are still developing > new features, but you probably want to run important services > on something more stable like CentOS. > I hear you, and I may contemplate switching. This is only at my house, but once you have regular backups running, you tend to miss them when they stop. As I said, this is the first time I've seen such a foolish use of something as powerful as Yum. I still maintain that if there are that many changes, or there are changes of such import that they ***break*** existing environments, they should be included in a major release, not pushed to users at night! When I upgrade to FC-5, or maybe FC-6, then I would be happy to research it by putting it on a sandbox and finding that one needs to completely review in all its gory detail the documentation for a package as complex as Samba. Bug-fixes, and minor enhancements, are by design appropriate for such communications channels. This should have never gone into FC-4. /bill - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT & business topics through brief surveys -- and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.php&p=sourceforge&CID=DEVDEV ___ BackupPC-users mailing list BackupPC-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/backuppc-users http://backuppc.sourceforge.net/
Re: [BackupPC-users] Q: BackupPC problems with Samba 3.0.22+ ? A: blacklist samba
On Sat, 2006-07-29 at 12:28, Bill Hudacek wrote: > Fedora Core and Yum is a great system for automatically updating your > system. but only when you can trust it. This is the first time it's > really and truly failed me - and it's been a disaster. If that is the first thing you have had break in a fedora update, consider yourself lucky. It is the nature of that distribution to push new development to users as quickly as possible - and realistically, if they didn't, things never would be tested and fixed. It is usually worth the trouble to get up to date desktop apps which are still developing new features, but you probably want to run important services on something more stable like CentOS. -- Les Mikesell [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT & business topics through brief surveys -- and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.php&p=sourceforge&CID=DEVDEV ___ BackupPC-users mailing list BackupPC-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/backuppc-users http://backuppc.sourceforge.net/
[BackupPC-users] Q: BackupPC problems with Samba 3.0.22+ ? A: blacklist samba
This is an update, of sorts. I appreciate that this is the BackupPC list, not a samba-related list, but it first and foremost impacted my ability to use BackupPC - though things got worse, as you'll see. The release of Samba 3.0.23 (or earlier versions, for I found a report that mentioned 3.0.22-1) either is rife with bugs or has changed in very substantial ways how it operates. Or both. There is very little documentation regarding these changes - as far as I've been able to determine - and the error messages lead one nowhere. I found several cases where others are experiencing the same problems as I, in every case with no resolution. Accordingly, I've blacklisted Samba from 'yum'. Oh, and BTW, after going back to Samba 3.0.14a, BackupPC backed up one windows client on demand, an incremental backup, and another incremental kicked off just as it should at the top of the hour. It's been nearly two weeks since this capability was working for me here. Fedora Core and Yum is a great system for automatically updating your system. but only when you can trust it. This is the first time it's really and truly failed me - and it's been a disaster. No software distributed - and installed - globally, via automatic 'push' methods, should be allowed to change in such significant aspects without giving its users the chance to prepare. It's a huge disservice to the community, and shows a level of conceit I have trouble understanding to allow this to happen. Here are a few of the symptoms: v3.0.23: - cannot use BackupPC via "SMB" backup to back up Win98 or Windows XP (SP2) clients. Full backups work but all others fail. - Setuid smbmnt or smbmount cause failures with error messages that they cannot be setuid (Making mount.cifs setuid corrects this) V3.0.23a: (issued late last week, but obviously not intended to address the above problems, as it's gotten *worse*) - can list dirs, can list files, but cannot read files - others report using "noperm" CIFS option, after which: - reading files works - writing to a file zeroes it (!!!) - lots (think thousands) of CIFS errors in kernel error logs - CIFS VFS: send error in read = -13 I'd have more details but "rpm -e" on the samba v3.0.23a packages deleted the /var/log/samba directory! Note that with all the CIFS errors, you'd think it was kernel-related. This may be part of the problem, but when faced with either a kernel regression or a Samba regression, I opted to back out Samba, for the pragmatic and simple reason that I can do so without a reboot. If the problems had continued, I'd have backed out the kernel (I'm now on 2.6.17-1.2142). I'm not a Samba tester, so I'm not going to bother to test Samba 3.0.23a with Kernel 2.6.15 or earlier (reports I've seen mentioned that kernel version as possibly being problematic for CIFS...but also mentioned that 2.6.16-* fixed it). Here's an interesting finding: if, using Samba 3.0.23a, you run 'smbclient //server -U user" and enter your password, you can perform all the tasks that fail using the file-system (VFS?) driver in Samba. The core Samba protocol support seems to be intact and working. I can't figure it out beyond that, I've never felt the need to get to know Samba that well (and at this point I likely won't ever want to touch it this much again). I hope this helps someone save some time, as it's cost me a dozen hours or more. Sory this was so long. /bill - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT & business topics through brief surveys -- and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.php&p=sourceforge&CID=DEVDEV ___ BackupPC-users mailing list BackupPC-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/backuppc-users http://backuppc.sourceforge.net/
Re: [BackupPC-users] Compare tar <-> rsync
On Sat, 2006-07-29 at 04:42, Joachim Sturm wrote: > Please, what is better tar or rsync, and why? It depends on your circumstances. Tar full runs transfer the entire backup over the network where backuppc's pooling feature will discard much of it. Tar incremental runs are based on timestamps only, and will miss old files under directories that have been renamed - so you need to do full runs moderately often. Rsync transfers only the differences from the previous full over the network but it loads the entire directory into memory before starting and may have problems with huge numbers of files. Rysnc fulls do a block-checksum compare of all files which can be slow even though it does not take a lot of network bandwidth. So, either is fine for local LAN use, rsync would be better for connections with limited bandwidth. -- Les Mikesell [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT & business topics through brief surveys -- and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.php&p=sourceforge&CID=DEVDEV ___ BackupPC-users mailing list BackupPC-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/backuppc-users http://backuppc.sourceforge.net/
Re: [BackupPC-users] 3.0.0 Beta - error - unknown module '/'
> I am trying 3.0.0 beta and get this error when trying a backup on a > windows box: > Error connecting to module / at 192.168.0.101:873: Unknown module '/' > Backup aborted (Unknown module '/') > dump failed: Unknown module '/' > > In version 2 it would indicate module C (drive letter) > The config.pl and rsyncd.conf are the same as version 2. > > Have done everything that I have done on version 2. > > Any ideas? Changes in 3? > > Thanks in advance. > Ken > Okay - I get it - the individual overide config.pl's are now in /etc/BackupPC/pc/hostname.pl I just copied the /home/BackupPC/pc/hostname/config.pl to /etc/BackupPC/pc/hostname.pl Works now. - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT & business topics through brief surveys -- and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.php&p=sourceforge&CID=DEVDEV ___ BackupPC-users mailing list BackupPC-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/backuppc-users http://backuppc.sourceforge.net/
Re: [BackupPC-users] CIFS/SMB for Data Store (NAS)
I might be able to try it using a Windows server I have aqnd just set up a test BackupPC implimentation just to try the flavor...Regards,Jamie Myershttp://www.huskywatch.comIt said requires Windows XP or better So I installed Linux!I'd love to change the world... But they wont give me the source code!Paul Fox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED]29/07/2006 11:25 PMTobackuppc-users@lists.sourceforge.netccSubjectRe: [BackupPC-users] CIFS/SMB for Data Store (NAS)Filipe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Paul Fox escreveu: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > The NAS I'm looking at getting uses Windows XP Embeded... or something, > > > and it only supports SMB/CIFS I'm not sure what is required for > > > Hardlinks? I am guessing that the FS for the NAS will be NTFS > > > > if i were a betting man, i'd bet a lot of money that this won't work. > > i don't think any microsoft filesystem supports hard links. > > > > I'm new on this, never head of hard links, but I used wikipedia and: > http://www.microsoft.com/resources/documentation/windows/xp/all/proddocs/en-us/fsutil_hardlink.mspx?mfr=true > http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=""> > > so...?!so, that may explain why i'm not a betting man. i didn't know NTFS hadthe concept of hard links.i'd still be wary of assuming backuppc will be able to use themsuccessfully. i've never heard of anyone hosting the backuppc poolon a non-unix filesystem.paul=- paul fox, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (arlington, ma, where it's 69.8 degrees)-Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of ITJoin SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share youropinions on IT & business topics through brief surveys -- and earn cashhttp://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.php&p=sourceforge&CID=DEVDEV___BackupPC-users mailing listBackupPC-users@lists.sourceforge.nethttps://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/backuppc-usershttp://backuppc.sourceforge.net/Mail was checked for spam by the Freeware Edition of No Spam Today!The Freeware Edition is free for personal and non-commercial use.You can remove this notice by purchasing a full license! To orderor to find out more please visit: http://www.nospamtoday.com- Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT & business topics through brief surveys -- and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.php&p=sourceforge&CID=DEVDEV___ BackupPC-users mailing list BackupPC-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/backuppc-users http://backuppc.sourceforge.net/
[BackupPC-users] 3.0.0 Beta - error - unknown module '/'
I am trying 3.0.0 beta and get this error when trying a backup on a windows box: Error connecting to module / at 192.168.0.101:873: Unknown module '/' Backup aborted (Unknown module '/') dump failed: Unknown module '/' In version 2 it would indicate module C (drive letter) The config.pl and rsyncd.conf are the same as version 2. Have done everything that I have done on version 2. Any ideas? Changes in 3? Thanks in advance. Ken - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT & business topics through brief surveys -- and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.php&p=sourceforge&CID=DEVDEV ___ BackupPC-users mailing list BackupPC-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/backuppc-users http://backuppc.sourceforge.net/
Re: [BackupPC-users] CIFS/SMB for Data Store (NAS)
Filipe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Paul Fox escreveu: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > The NAS I'm looking at getting uses Windows XP Embeded... or something, > > > and it only supports SMB/CIFS I'm not sure what is required for > > > Hardlinks? I am guessing that the FS for the NAS will be NTFS > > > > if i were a betting man, i'd bet a lot of money that this won't work. > > i don't think any microsoft filesystem supports hard links. > > > > I'm new on this, never head of hard links, but I used wikipedia and: > http://www.microsoft.com/resources/documentation/windows/xp/all/proddocs/en-us/fsutil_hardlink.mspx?mfr=true > http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/fileio/fs/createhardlink.asp > > so...?! so, that may explain why i'm not a betting man. i didn't know NTFS had the concept of hard links. i'd still be wary of assuming backuppc will be able to use them successfully. i've never heard of anyone hosting the backuppc pool on a non-unix filesystem. paul =- paul fox, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (arlington, ma, where it's 69.8 degrees) - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT & business topics through brief surveys -- and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.php&p=sourceforge&CID=DEVDEV ___ BackupPC-users mailing list BackupPC-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/backuppc-users http://backuppc.sourceforge.net/
Re: [BackupPC-users] Problems with File-RsyncP-0.62
> "ken" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Hi > >> Anyone having problems with File-RsyncP-0.62? It won't install with >> cpan. >> Linux: 2.6.17-1.2142_FC4 >> Perl: perl-5.8.6-24 > > I think you will need perl-5.8.8 to install File-RsyncP-0.62, but you > can try to compile File-RsyncP first. > >> >> Error: >> exclude.c:29: error: static declaration of verbose follows non-static >> declaration >> rsync.h:811: error: previous declaration of verbose was here >> exclude.c: In function get_exclude_tok: >> exclude.c:262: warning: pointer targets in passing argument 1 of strlen >> differ in signedness >> make[1]: *** [exclude.o] Error 1 >> make[1]: Leaving directory `/root/.cpan/build/File-RsyncP-0.62/FileList' >> make: *** [subdirs] Error 2 >> /usr/bin/make -- NOT OK >> Running make test >> Can't test without successful make >> Running make install >> make had returned bad status, install seems impossible >> Failed during this command: >> CBARRATT/File-RsyncP-0.62.tar.gz : make NO > > The compilation problem (first you had) can be solved commenting > line 811 in File-RsyncP-0.62/FileList/rsync.h (extern int verbose; > ). Just comment or remove that line and try make again. > > Cheers, > Rodrigo > > >> >> Thanks in advance. >> Ken >> Thanks Rodrigo - deleted line 811 and it compiled and installed. For others here is exactly what I did: mkdir -p /downloads/perl cd /downloads/perl wget http://search.cpan.org/CPAN/authors/id/C/CB/CBARRATT/File-RsyncP-0.62.tar.gz tar -zxvf File-RsyncP-0.62.tar.gz gedit /downloads/perl/File-RsyncP-0.62/FileList/rsync.h delete line 811:extern int verbose; cd File-RsyncP-0.62 perl Makefile.PL make make test make install - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT & business topics through brief surveys -- and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.php&p=sourceforge&CID=DEVDEV ___ BackupPC-users mailing list BackupPC-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/backuppc-users http://backuppc.sourceforge.net/
Re: [BackupPC-users] Problems with File-RsyncP-0.62
"ken" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Hi > Anyone having problems with File-RsyncP-0.62? It won't install with cpan. > Linux: 2.6.17-1.2142_FC4 > Perl: perl-5.8.6-24 I think you will need perl-5.8.8 to install File-RsyncP-0.62, but you can try to compile File-RsyncP first. > > Error: > exclude.c:29: error: static declaration of verbose follows non-static > declaration > rsync.h:811: error: previous declaration of verbose was here > exclude.c: In function get_exclude_tok: > exclude.c:262: warning: pointer targets in passing argument 1 of strlen > differ in signedness > make[1]: *** [exclude.o] Error 1 > make[1]: Leaving directory `/root/.cpan/build/File-RsyncP-0.62/FileList' > make: *** [subdirs] Error 2 > /usr/bin/make -- NOT OK > Running make test > Can't test without successful make > Running make install > make had returned bad status, install seems impossible > Failed during this command: > CBARRATT/File-RsyncP-0.62.tar.gz : make NO The compilation problem (first you had) can be solved commenting line 811 in File-RsyncP-0.62/FileList/rsync.h (extern int verbose; ). Just comment or remove that line and try make again. Cheers, Rodrigo > > Thanks in advance. > Ken > > > > - > Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT > Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your > opinions on IT & business topics through brief surveys -- and earn cash > http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.php&p=sourceforge&CID=DEVDEV > ___ > BackupPC-users mailing list > BackupPC-users@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/backuppc-users > http://backuppc.sourceforge.net/ - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT & business topics through brief surveys -- and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.php&p=sourceforge&CID=DEVDEV ___ BackupPC-users mailing list BackupPC-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/backuppc-users http://backuppc.sourceforge.net/
[BackupPC-users] Problems with File-RsyncP-0.62
Anyone having problems with File-RsyncP-0.62? It won't install with cpan. Linux: 2.6.17-1.2142_FC4 Perl: perl-5.8.6-24 Error: exclude.c:29: error: static declaration of verbose follows non-static declaration rsync.h:811: error: previous declaration of verbose was here exclude.c: In function get_exclude_tok: exclude.c:262: warning: pointer targets in passing argument 1 of strlen differ in signedness make[1]: *** [exclude.o] Error 1 make[1]: Leaving directory `/root/.cpan/build/File-RsyncP-0.62/FileList' make: *** [subdirs] Error 2 /usr/bin/make -- NOT OK Running make test Can't test without successful make Running make install make had returned bad status, install seems impossible Failed during this command: CBARRATT/File-RsyncP-0.62.tar.gz : make NO Thanks in advance. Ken - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT & business topics through brief surveys -- and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.php&p=sourceforge&CID=DEVDEV ___ BackupPC-users mailing list BackupPC-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/backuppc-users http://backuppc.sourceforge.net/
[BackupPC-users] Compare tar <-> rsync
Please, what is better tar or rsync, and why? Achim - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT & business topics through brief surveys -- and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.php&p=sourceforge&CID=DEVDEV ___ BackupPC-users mailing list BackupPC-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/backuppc-users http://backuppc.sourceforge.net/
Re: [BackupPC-users] CIFS/SMB for Data Store (NAS)
Paul Fox escreveu: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > The NAS I'm looking at getting uses Windows XP Embeded... or something, > > and it only supports SMB/CIFS I'm not sure what is required for > > Hardlinks? I am guessing that the FS for the NAS will be NTFS > > if i were a betting man, i'd bet a lot of money that this won't work. > i don't think any microsoft filesystem supports hard links. > > paul > =- > paul fox, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (arlington, ma, where it's 66.2 degrees) > > - > Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT > Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your > opinions on IT & business topics through brief surveys -- and earn cash > http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.php&p=sourceforge&CID=DEVDEV > ___ > BackupPC-users mailing list > BackupPC-users@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/backuppc-users > http://backuppc.sourceforge.net/ > > I'm new on this, never head of hard links, but I used wikipedia and: http://www.microsoft.com/resources/documentation/windows/xp/all/proddocs/en-us/fsutil_hardlink.mspx?mfr=true http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/fileio/fs/createhardlink.asp so...?! - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT & business topics through brief surveys -- and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.php&p=sourceforge&CID=DEVDEV ___ BackupPC-users mailing list BackupPC-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/backuppc-users http://backuppc.sourceforge.net/
