[BackupPC-users] REQUEST FOR ADVICE ON SUITABILITY OF BACKUPPC
Many thanks for the your replies. It is always encouraging when existing members of a forum respond so quickly to a request from a new member. Adam Goryachev wrote: > It would appear from your goals that you do not wish to backup/restore the > windows/linux client machines, you are only interested in backing up the > server, and allowing the users to control restores as needed? An accurate summation. Adam Goryachev wrote: > I would also add a global backup for everything else outside of /home for the > admin user only... This was my intention, but omitted from the original post for the sake of brevity. Any further suggestions of this type will be gratefully received. Adam Goryachev wrote: > Finally, you might want to set the number of concurrent backups quite > low (1 or 2) since they really all point to the same machine, and you > will just cause disk thrashing with higher numbers... This was precisely the type of insight I was hoping to receive from experienced users. Very helpful. Rob Owens wrote: > The documentation is very long, but it provides a lot of very helpful > information. I fully agree with this point of view. The documentation formed part of the initial research conducted to help establish that BackupPC might be a suitable candidate for my requirements. The number of configuration options can be difficult for a new user of the product to know what is required to obtain a basic working confuguration upon which tests can then be performed. It was from this position that the advice of existing forum members was requested. FEEDBACK ON SUGGESTIONS * Proof of concept has been successfully established based upon using multiple 'hosts' and aliases in accordance with the advice received. * Smb has been used at this stage and rsync will be investigted as an alternative. * The ability for BackupPc administrative user to copy all backups to external (removable) disks for disater recovery purposes will be investigated once a working setup of the other items in the wish listed has been established. QUESTIONS 01 What are the benefits of using rsync rather versus smb? 02 Does the choice of rsync or smb affect the off-site copies on removable disks for disaster recovery purposes? 03 Is it possible to use Samba domain accounts with backuppc rather that the default Apache htpasswd? 04 Rob Owens wrote: > For every "host" you configure, you must assign a user who is permitted to > access those backups. You can assign multiple users and/or groups. How is the assignment of multiple groups conducted as opposed to using a list of 'moreUsers'? 05 When logging into BackupPC as a user is it possible to: (a) force the web page to defualt to displaying 'Browse backups'? (b) remove from the left-hand side-panel under aliased hostname section; all options except 'Browse backups'? (c) remove from the left-hand side-panel the entire 'Server' section? +-- |This was sent by [EMAIL PROTECTED] via Backup Central. |Forward SPAM to [EMAIL PROTECTED] +-- - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK & win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100&url=/ ___ BackupPC-users mailing list BackupPC-users@lists.sourceforge.net List:https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/backuppc-users Wiki:http://backuppc.wiki.sourceforge.net Project: http://backuppc.sourceforge.net/
[BackupPC-users] How do you remove spurious backup?
I have a "spurious" backup of one of my machines that shows up on the web interface as a backup but when you click on it you get the error: "Error: Directory /var/lib/BackupPC//pc/mymachine/0 is empty" Looking in /var/lib/BackupPC/pc/mymachine, I see that indeed there is no "0" directory. Indeed, there are is all no XferLog.0.z either. However, backup '0' is still included in the file /var/lib/BackupPC/pc/mymachine/backups. Restarting backuppc did not fix this problem either. Now, I ending up fixing the problem by manually editing the 'backups' file to remove the '0' line but I was wondering if there is a better way... Thanks - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK & win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100&url=/ ___ BackupPC-users mailing list BackupPC-users@lists.sourceforge.net List:https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/backuppc-users Wiki:http://backuppc.wiki.sourceforge.net Project: http://backuppc.sourceforge.net/
Re: [BackupPC-users] force full save on weekends
> > Sadly, I don't think this page is terribly easy to find. One kind of has to > know what to look for in order to find it. So it can't really blame people > for not seeing it. Here's how to do what you want, at any rate. > > http://backuppc.wiki.sourceforge.net/Schedule_Backups_With_Cron Le wiki page looks fine to me. I can therefore schedule backups "full" over the weekend and "incr" them during weekdays. I'm not the backuppc user (my english is slighter better !) : is there a way to force backuppc just to use the crontab ? Regards, Sebastian Perkins Responsable Informatique [EMAIL PROTECTED] ALPES CONTROLES 3 impasse des prairies 74940 Annecy le Vieux Tél. 04.50.64.11.46 - Fax. 04.50.64.23.83 http://www.alpes-controles.fr - Mail Original - De: "Les Mikesell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> À: "General list for user discussion, questions and support" Envoyé: Vendredi 24 Octobre 2008 15:43:01 GMT +01:00 Amsterdam / Berlin / Berne / Rome / Stockholm / Vienne Objet: Re: [BackupPC-users] force full save on weekends Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom wrote: > On 10/24 11:41 , Sebastian Perkins wrote: >> One problem remains : backuppc's full/incr solution launches a full save >> after a certain number of days. Unfortunately this happens most of the time >> during office hours. >> >> The consequence is that certain servers are heavily loaded and users >> complain... >> >> Is there any to force the full on weekends ? And just keep the incr on week >> days ? > > Sadly, I don't think this page is terribly easy to find. One kind of has to > know what to look for in order to find it. So it can't really blame people > for not seeing it. Here's how to do what you want, at any rate. > > http://backuppc.wiki.sourceforge.net/Schedule_Backups_With_Cron Or, since the default scheduler does fulls once a week, you can just use the web interface to force one at the time you'd like them to happen. Incrementals will subsequently run (approximately) every 24 hours from then and fulls every week. Even easier - just add new machines at about the time you'd like their full backups to run - or as you are leaving work on Fridays. -- Les Mikesell [EMAIL PROTECTED] - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK & win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100&url=/ ___ BackupPC-users mailing list BackupPC-users@lists.sourceforge.net List: https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/backuppc-users Wiki: http://backuppc.wiki.sourceforge.net Project: http://backuppc.sourceforge.net/ - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK & win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100&url=/___ BackupPC-users mailing list BackupPC-users@lists.sourceforge.net List:https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/backuppc-users Wiki:http://backuppc.wiki.sourceforge.net Project: http://backuppc.sourceforge.net/
Re: [BackupPC-users] force full save on weekends
On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 11:11:59AM +0100, Sebastian Perkins wrote:
> > Sadly, I don't think this page is terribly easy to find. One kind of has to
> > know what to look for in order to find it. So it can't really blame people
> > for not seeing it. Here's how to do what you want, at any rate.
> >
> > http://backuppc.wiki.sourceforge.net/Schedule_Backups_With_Cron
>
> Le wiki page looks fine to me. I can therefore schedule backups "full" over
> the weekend and "incr" them during weekdays.
>
> I'm not the backuppc user (my english is slighter better !) : is there a way
> to force backuppc just to use the crontab ?
Yes, you simple disable regular backups via $Conf{BackupsDisable} = 1;
Then run the backups "manually" via crontab using BackupPC_serverMsg as
described in the wiki page.
HTH,
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Re: [BackupPC-users] Incremental dumps hanging with 'Can't get rsync digests' & 'Can't call method "isCached"'
If any one is interested, in my company we have a new solution for a NAS, SAN, Backups, etc, ... We make a new product "bearNAS" it's a pendrive that has a BackupPc and an Openfiler, all integrate. Only you need simple machine with all the hard disk that you want and usb port. This solution is cheap and easy for work and permit you do a lot of things, clusters, bonding, lvm, iscsi, You can speak with me, [EMAIL PROTECTED] or my boss , Joe Bordes, [EMAIL PROTECTED] We want colobarate with this comunity and with others, for this don't dude for ask us. JPL TSOLUCIO S.L www.tsolucio.com 902 886 938 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Spain Jeffrey J. Kosowsky escribió: > Rob Owens wrote at about 11:57:01 -0400 on Monday, October 27, 2008: > > Jeffrey J. Kosowsky wrote: > > > What is the alternative if you don't have room on your server and if > > > you can't "afford" something fancier than a SAN? > > > For me, using NAS is very economical given the cost of drives and the > > > existence of cheap embedded Linux NAS devices. Maybe I am missing an > > > easy better alternative. > > > > > I'm not sure what a NAS costs these days, but my BackupPC server is a > > white box desktop-class machine with SATA drives in software RAID 1. It > > cost me $600. It runs the server software and stores the backups locally. > > > > You can keep it cheap by using a mini/micro ATX motherboard -- they've > > usually got onboard video and onboard LAN, and you're not likely to need > > much in the way of PCI slots. Just make sure the motherboard has plenty > > of room for expansion in terms of RAM and hard disks. > > > > Well I bought a dns-323 for about $130 and got 2 1-TB Seagate drives > for $149 each. So under $450 for a 1TB of RAID-1 backup. > Also it uses only a few watts of power (and even less when the disks > power down since I mount root off of a small surplus usb stick). > Also the dns-323 is extremely well built (metal, solid, not platic) > and small - not much bigger than the 2 drives themselves side-to-side) > > But I agree that one could do well also by going the white box way... > > - > This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge > Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK & win great prizes > Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world > http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100&url=/ > ___ > BackupPC-users mailing list > BackupPC-users@lists.sourceforge.net > List:https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/backuppc-users > Wiki:http://backuppc.wiki.sourceforge.net > Project: http://backuppc.sourceforge.net/ > > - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK & win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100&url=/ ___ BackupPC-users mailing list BackupPC-users@lists.sourceforge.net List:https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/backuppc-users Wiki:http://backuppc.wiki.sourceforge.net Project: http://backuppc.sourceforge.net/
Re: [BackupPC-users] Incremental dumps hanging with 'Can't get rsync digests' & 'Can't call method "isCached"'
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Omar Llorens Crespo Domínguez wrote: > If any one is interested, in my company we have a new solution for a > NAS, SAN, Backups, etc, ... > We make a new product "bearNAS" it's a pendrive that has a BackupPc and > an Openfiler, all integrate. Only you need simple machine with all the > hard disk that you want and usb port. This solution is cheap and easy > for work and permit you do a lot of things, clusters, bonding, lvm, > iscsi, > You can speak with me, [EMAIL PROTECTED] or my boss , Joe Bordes, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] We want colobarate with this comunity and with others, > for this don't dude for ask us. >> Well I bought a dns-323 for about $130 and got 2 1-TB Seagate drives >> for $149 each. So under $450 for a 1TB of RAID-1 backup. >> Also it uses only a few watts of power (and even less when the disks >> power down since I mount root off of a small surplus usb stick). >> Also the dns-323 is extremely well built (metal, solid, not platic) >> and small - not much bigger than the 2 drives themselves side-to-side) Apart from top-posting, you have posted a commercial email to this mailing list. I don't want to be seen to encourage you, and sure, a number of people on the list just might be interested. Except, you didn't tell us what it is you are selling! Apparently you have a "pendrive" which I assume is some USB flash memory stick type of product. Then you tell us "Only you need simple machine with all the hard disk that you want and usb port.". I guess that means we buy some memory (probably with some software on it) and then we buy a whole machine, and then it does lots of stuff. Kind of like buying a machine, installing debian, and installing backuppc, etc except you wouldn't need to buy any "pendrive"... So, I'm confused... Feel like telling us what it is you sell and more importantly, why we would want to buy it? Regards, Adam -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFJBwBwGyoxogrTyiURAoJtAJ0bBplT/qh7WL2CsXd6Cnd9NVU93wCguN1y RMs91QAFf8DlFZh4w5HV4UE= =v+sr -END PGP SIGNATURE- - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK & win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100&url=/ ___ BackupPC-users mailing list BackupPC-users@lists.sourceforge.net List:https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/backuppc-users Wiki:http://backuppc.wiki.sourceforge.net Project: http://backuppc.sourceforge.net/
[BackupPC-users] REQUEST FOR ADVICE ON SUITABILITY OF BACKUPPC
This is an edited version of a previous post Many thanks for the your replies. It is always encouraging when existing members of a forum respond so quickly to a request from a new member. Adam Goryachev wrote: > It would appear from your goals that you do not wish to backup/restore the > windows/linux client machines, you are only interested in backing up the > server, and allowing the users to control restores as needed? An accurate summation. Adam Goryachev wrote: > I would also add a global backup for everything else outside of /home for the > admin user only... This was my intention, but omitted from the original post for the sake of brevity. Any further suggestions of this type will be gratefully received. Adam Goryachev wrote: > Finally, you might want to set the number of concurrent backups quite > low (1 or 2) since they really all point to the same machine, and you > will just cause disk thrashing with higher numbers... This was precisely the type of insight I was hoping to receive from experienced users. Very helpful. Rob Owens wrote: > The documentation is very long, but it provides a lot of very helpful > information. I fully agree with this point of view. The documentation formed part of the initial research conducted to help establish that BackupPC might be a suitable candidate for my requirements. The number of configuration options can be difficult for a new user of the product to know what is required to obtain a basic working confuguration upon which tests can then be performed. It was from this position that the advice of existing forum members was requested. FEEDBACK ON SUGGESTIONS * Proof of concept has been successfully established based upon using multiple 'hosts' and aliases in accordance with the advice received. * Smb has been used at this stage and rsync will be investigted as an alternative. * The ability for BackupPc administrative user to copy all backups to external (removable) disks for disater recovery purposes will be investigated once a working setup of the other items in the wish listed has been established. QUESTIONS 01 What are the benefits of using rsync versus smb? 02 Does the choice of rsync or smb affect the off-site copies on removable disks for disaster recovery purposes? 03 Is the archive mechanism suitable for use as a disaster recovery tool? 04 Is it possible to use Samba domain accounts with backuppc rather that the default Apache htpasswd? 05 Rob Owens wrote: > For every "host" you configure, you must assign a user who is permitted to > access those backups. You can assign multiple users and/or groups. How is the assignment of multiple groups conducted as opposed to using a list of 'moreUsers'? 06 When logging into BackupPC as a user is it possible to: (a) force the web page to defualt to displaying 'Browse backups'? (b) remove from the left-hand side-panel under aliased hostname section; all options except 'Browse backups'? (c) remove from the left-hand side-panel the entire 'Server' section? +-- |This was sent by [EMAIL PROTECTED] via Backup Central. |Forward SPAM to [EMAIL PROTECTED] +-- - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK & win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100&url=/ ___ BackupPC-users mailing list BackupPC-users@lists.sourceforge.net List:https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/backuppc-users Wiki:http://backuppc.wiki.sourceforge.net Project: http://backuppc.sourceforge.net/
Re: [BackupPC-users] REQUEST FOR ADVICE ON SUITABILITY OF BACKUPPC
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 SamK wrote: > FEEDBACK ON SUGGESTIONS > * Proof of concept has been successfully established based upon using > multiple 'hosts' and aliases in accordance with the advice received. > * Smb has been used at this stage and rsync will be investigted as an > alternative. > * The ability for BackupPc administrative user to copy all backups to > external (removable) disks for disater recovery purposes will be investigated > once a working setup of the other items in the wish listed has been > established. > > > QUESTIONS > 01 What are the benefits of using rsync rather versus smb? The benefits are basically that rsync will more accurately backup the correct files for incr and full backups, actually, the main advantage is when you have limited bandwidth between server and backuppc because rsync will send less data over the network. If both sides are Linux, then I think everybody strongly suggests using rsync + ssh. > 02 Does the choice of rsync or smb affect the off-site copies on removable > disks for disaster recovery purposes? No, no difference at all. Basically, using smb might result in some files not being backed up in a incr, (ie, files with old date/timestamp) and so that will produce a different archive, but other than that, both rsync/smb/tar/any other method will result in the same archive. > 03 Is it possible to use Samba domain accounts with backuppc rather that the > default Apache htpasswd? Well, backuppc uses the authentication provided by apache, which by default, is htpasswd. You can configure apache to do authentication via smb, and hence you can get backuppc to use smb auth. If you choose to implement this, I would suggest working through the apache communities on how to protect a simple html page using smb accounts, and once you have that working, then move on to getting it to work with backuppc. > 05 When logging into BackupPC as a user is it possible to: > (a) force the web page to defualt to displaying 'Browse backups'? > (b) remove from the left-hand side-panel under aliased hostname section; > all options except 'Browse backups'? > (c) remove from the left-hand side-panel the entire 'Server' section? Not sure, I don't use backuppc v3 yet... I know you can alter the links to sourceforge, faq, etc At the end of the day, it is all open source, so you can change anything you need. Not that I would recommend this, since it will be harder to maintain in the future. BTW, please consider subscribing to the mailing list instead of posting through backup central. Regards, Adam -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFJBupVGyoxogrTyiURAq42AKCaeq3SQQMKj94WopschnHjzyVw/ACfUJfe NoAF4qTbR55DOTEhSiIUCxU= =KvqJ -END PGP SIGNATURE- - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK & win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100&url=/ ___ BackupPC-users mailing list BackupPC-users@lists.sourceforge.net List:https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/backuppc-users Wiki:http://backuppc.wiki.sourceforge.net Project: http://backuppc.sourceforge.net/
Re: [BackupPC-users] force full save on weekends
>>> I'm not the backuppc user (my english is slighter better !) : is there a
>>> way to force backuppc just to use the crontab ?
>>
>>Yes, you simple disable regular backups via $Conf{BackupsDisable} = 1;
>>Then run the backups "manually" via crontab using BackupPC_serverMsg as
>>described in the wiki page.
Thanks ! Thats sounds good. Just to be sure, this means crontabbing the incr
too ?
Regards,
Sebastian Perkins
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Objet: Re: [BackupPC-users] force full save on weekends
On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 11:11:59AM +0100, Sebastian Perkins wrote:
> > Sadly, I don't think this page is terribly easy to find. One kind of has to
> > know what to look for in order to find it. So it can't really blame people
> > for not seeing it. Here's how to do what you want, at any rate.
> >
> > http://backuppc.wiki.sourceforge.net/Schedule_Backups_With_Cron
>
> Le wiki page looks fine to me. I can therefore schedule backups "full" over
> the weekend and "incr" them during weekdays.
>
> I'm not the backuppc user (my english is slighter better !) : is there a way
> to force backuppc just to use the crontab ?
Yes, you simple disable regular backups via $Conf{BackupsDisable} = 1;
Then run the backups "manually" via crontab using BackupPC_serverMsg as
described in the wiki page.
HTH,
Tino.
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Re: [BackupPC-users] REQUEST FOR ADVICE ON SUITABILITY OF BACKUPPC
SamK wrote on 2008-10-28 08:14:04 -0400 [[BackupPC-users] REQUEST FOR ADVICE ON SUITABILITY OF BACKUPPC]: > > This is an edited version of a previous post And thereby useless. Do you really think anyone will look closely for what you might have changed from your previous post? Remember, this is a mailing list, *not* a forum. On the bright side, this time backupcentral did not split the thread. Wow. Regards, Holger - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK & win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100&url=/ ___ BackupPC-users mailing list BackupPC-users@lists.sourceforge.net List:https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/backuppc-users Wiki:http://backuppc.wiki.sourceforge.net Project: http://backuppc.sourceforge.net/
Re: [BackupPC-users] UPDATE: Hypothesis: Problems backing up Windows machines under 'rsync' traced to perl-File-RsyncP protocol 28 limitation
Jeffrey J. Kosowsky wrote: > Nils Breunese (Lemonbit) wrote at about 01:07:02 +0100 on Tuesday, October > 28, 2008: > > Jeffrey J. Kosowsky wrote: > > > > > Now, the verbose output of BackupPC_dump shows: > > > Got remote protocol 30 > > > Negotiated protocol version 28 > > > while the extra extra verbose output of running rsync manually shows: > > >(Client) Protocol versions: remote=30, negotiated=30 > > >receiving incremental file list > > >(Server) Protocol versions: remote=30, negotiated=30 > > > > > > I SUSPECT the problem may be due to perl-File-RsyncP which reportedly > > > only uses protocol 28 while rsync-3.0.4 uses protocol 30. If so, > > > perhaps the reason that the rsyncd method works is that it bypasses > > > such portions of perl-File-RsyncP that cause the problem. > > > > > > If true, perhaps a lot of the problems with backing up Windows > > > machines > > > could be cleaned up by upgrading perl-File-RsyncP to protocol 30. > > > > > > IF so, is there any way to update the perl library? (I noticed that > > > Craig is also the author of it) > > > > File::RsyncP is a (non-complete) implementation of rsync in Perl > > written for use by BackupPC. The latest version of File::RsyncP > > supports protocol version 28, there is nothing to upgrade there. The > > protocol used is the highest version supported by both the client and > > the server, which is 28 in either case you described. There is no > > version of File::RsyncP which supports protocol >28 at the moment. > > > That's precisely my point. If we want to have the 'rsync' method work > better with Window, then File::RsyncP needs to be updated to version > 30. Since File::Rsync was authored by Craig Barratt (the same person > who leads the BackupPC project) as part of his toolkit for writing > BackupPC, I thought it would be reasonable to inquire about updating > File::Rsync. > > And since one of the touted advantages of BackupPC is its ability to > back up Windows in addition to Linux and since many people have been > having problems with rsync, it seems reasonable to suggest this as a > priority area for future development (assuming the developers are > willing and able). While I have only pidgen-level Perl skills, I would > certainly be willing to help test and troubleshoot any efforts in this > direction. > > > By the way, we are backing up machines that all run rsync 3.0.4 and > > support protocol 30, but we're using BackupPC with File::RsyncP, so > > the negotiated procotol is protocol 28 for all our backups. And our > > backups are working fine. But we're not backing up any Windows machines. > > My point PRECISELY -- Protocol 30 seems to be important to avoid hangs > with long and/or weird file names in Windows. Since those file types > don't exist in Linux, Protocol 28 works just fine there. > > Finally, the reason for summarizing this is that I have seen all types > of posts about people having issues with rsync on Windows but I failed > to find any good explanation or solution despite massive > googling. Even my question asked here about a week ago received a > variety of answers none of which seemed to focus on this point. > > Now I may be wrong in my diagnosis, but if it is right, hopefully this > summary will be helpful to other users in a similar situation. > Jeff, just letting you know that I've been silently cheering you on. I have intermittent problems with rsyncd hanging while backing up my Windows machines, and I hope you find a cure! Unfortunately I don't have much assistance to provide. I can only say that backing up my Linux hosts (rsync over ssh) works more reliably than backing up my Windows hosts (rsynd). I do get successful backups of my Windows hosts via rsyncd, but I also get hangs more often than I'd like. -Rob The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the addressee, any disclosure, reproduction, copying, distribution, or other dissemination or use of this transmission in error please notify the sender immediately and then delete this e-mail. E-mail transmission cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error free as information could be intercepted, corrupted lost, destroyed, arrive late or incomplete, or contain viruses. The sender therefore does not accept liability for any errors or omissions in the contents of this message which arise as a result of e-mail transmission. If verification is required please request a hard copy version. - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK & win great prizes Grand prize is a trip
Re: [BackupPC-users] REQUEST FOR ADVICE ON SUITABILITY OF BACKUPPC
SamK wrote: > QUESTIONS > 01 What are the benefits of using rsync rather versus smb? Rsync only transfers the changed files -- even on full backups. Smb will require a periodic full transfer of all files. Basically, rsync requires much less bandwidth if you have a fairly large amount of static data. > 02 Does the choice of rsync or smb affect the off-site copies on removable > disks for disaster recovery purposes? rsync is *way* better if you're doing backups over the internet. > 03 Is it possible to use Samba domain accounts with backuppc rather that the > default Apache htpasswd? I think all authentication has to be done through Apache, but it doesn't necessarily have to be htpasswd. I saw a post on this list recently where someone explained how to set up LDAP authentication for Apache and make it work with BackupPC. So I suppose it's possible to use Samba domain accounts, but I can't give you instruction on it. > 04 > Rob Owens wrote: >> For every "host" you configure, you must assign a user who is permitted to >> access those backups. You can assign multiple users and/or groups. > How is the assignment of multiple groups conducted as opposed to using a list > of 'moreUsers'? > Hmm, I thought you could do groups, but maybe I'm confused. Does anybody know if it's possible? What if you create an htgroup and enter that group name as "user" in the hosts configuration section? > 05 When logging into BackupPC as a user is it possible to: > (a) force the web page to defualt to displaying 'Browse backups'? > (b) remove from the left-hand side-panel under aliased hostname section; > all options except 'Browse backups'? > (c) remove from the left-hand side-panel the entire 'Server' section? > Admin-type stuff does not appear on the screen if the logged-in user is not an admin. (For instance, there will be no option to edit the global config file). Anything else can probably be removed if you dive into the cgi code, but I don't think there's a simple "for dummies" set of instructions -- I asked about that on this list a few months back. -Rob The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the addressee, any disclosure, reproduction, copying, distribution, or other dissemination or use of this transmission in error please notify the sender immediately and then delete this e-mail. E-mail transmission cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error free as information could be intercepted, corrupted lost, destroyed, arrive late or incomplete, or contain viruses. The sender therefore does not accept liability for any errors or omissions in the contents of this message which arise as a result of e-mail transmission. If verification is required please request a hard copy version. - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK & win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100&url=/ ___ BackupPC-users mailing list BackupPC-users@lists.sourceforge.net List:https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/backuppc-users Wiki:http://backuppc.wiki.sourceforge.net Project: http://backuppc.sourceforge.net/
Re: [BackupPC-users] force full save on weekends
On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 02:31:17PM +0100, Sebastian Perkins wrote:
> >>> I'm not the backuppc user (my english is slighter better !) : is there a
> >>> way to force backuppc just to use the crontab ?
> >>
> >>Yes, you simple disable regular backups via $Conf{BackupsDisable} = 1;
> >>Then run the backups "manually" via crontab using BackupPC_serverMsg as
> >>described in the wiki page.
>
> Thanks ! Thats sounds good. Just to be sure, this means crontabbing the incr
> too ?
Yes. If you disable backups, BackupPC will not do anything any more
automatically.
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Re: [BackupPC-users] REQUEST FOR ADVICE ON SUITABILITY OF BACKUPPC
SamK wrote: > > > FEEDBACK ON SUGGESTIONS > * Proof of concept has been successfully established based upon using > multiple 'hosts' and aliases in accordance with the advice received. > * Smb has been used at this stage and rsync will be investigted as an > alternative. > * The ability for BackupPc administrative user to copy all backups to > external (removable) disks for disater recovery purposes will be investigated > once a working setup of the other items in the wish listed has been > established. Depending on the amount of RAM you have relative to the size of the archive, you might be able to rsync the whole thing to a copy elsewhere but with large archives the number of hardlinks can make this impractical. Otherwise you can image-copy the drive or set it up on a mirrored raid where you rotate one of the mirrors offsite periodically. > QUESTIONS > 01 What are the benefits of using rsync versus smb? Less bandwidth use, more accurate incrementals (detects removed files and new ones copied in with old timestamps). > 02 Does the choice of rsync or smb affect the off-site copies on removable > disks for disaster recovery purposes? No, the archive ends up the same. > 03 Is the archive mechanism suitable for use as a disaster recovery tool? 'Archive hosts' end up generating a tar image. If you know how to reconstruct from a tar image you are all set. If you come up with a way to duplicate the entire archive partition, you'll need an installed copy of backuppc to access it. > 04 Is it possible to use Samba domain accounts with backuppc rather that the > default Apache htpasswd? Apache has a large number of mod_auth_xxx modules for authentication. You can do this with mod_auth_pam but it isn't included in most distributions and there may be better ways. > 05 > Rob Owens wrote: >> For every "host" you configure, you must assign a user who is permitted to >> access those backups. You can assign multiple users and/or groups. > How is the assignment of multiple groups conducted as opposed to using a list > of 'moreUsers'? I didn't think you could use group names in the hosts file. > 06 When logging into BackupPC as a user is it possible to: > (a) force the web page to defualt to displaying 'Browse backups'? > (b) remove from the left-hand side-panel under aliased hostname section; > all options except 'Browse backups'? > (c) remove from the left-hand side-panel the entire 'Server' section? If you don't log in as an administrator you only see the hosts where you are listed as the owner and all you can do is start/stop/browse. But the whole web site is generated by a perl script that you can modify if you want. -- Les Mikesell [EMAIL PROTECTED] - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK & win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100&url=/ ___ BackupPC-users mailing list BackupPC-users@lists.sourceforge.net List:https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/backuppc-users Wiki:http://backuppc.wiki.sourceforge.net Project: http://backuppc.sourceforge.net/
Re: [BackupPC-users] Feature Request: Link to latest Full
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Yazz D. Atlas wrote:
> How difficult would it be to have BackupPC create a link to the last
> Full backup. The reason this would be handy to me is I'm required to
> backup to tape to a system I don't have much control over. I just want
> to tell the backup service a simple directorie to grab. I would like to
> be able to tell them to backup
>
> $Conf{TopDir}/pc/example.com/last-full
>
> Which would link to $Conf{TopDir}/pc/example.com/95 if that was the last
> Full backup.
>
> I hope to never uses there backup service to do a restore but for off
> site backup compliance I need to. I'm trying to save some bandwidth by
> not backing up everything I don't need. (I have over 240 clients and
> about 7T used under $Conf{TopDir} getting that off site has been a huge
> issue)
Is that a off-site backup that uses any sort of rsync like algorithm to
minimise the bandwidth used?
If it is, you might like to get it to backup the cpool/pool and then use
the pctar utility (forget it's name) which AFAIK creates a tar file full
of the links. So your offsite backs up the pool + the small tar file.
That way you could restore *ALL* your backup data
PS, I don't know how truly practical the above is, but it may be an
option? Can anyone comment on whether that might be a useful way to get
an off-site copy of your backuppc server?
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Re: [BackupPC-users] force full save on weekends
Hello, I developed a patch for my personal use and it has been working successfully for more than a year. It has the purpose of restricting the schedule of a backup to a definite time window and breaks up the default logic of starting a backup as soon as a computer is on the network. I attached a tarball to this email. Inside the tarball there are a patch file for BackupPC 3.1.0 and another patch file for BackupPC 3.0.0. Their names are: RecurringBackups-3.1.0-v1.patch RecurringBackups-3.0.0-v1.patch Installing the patch is simple: backup your configuration files; unpack the sources of BackupPC; change current directory to the unpacked sources; execute "patch -p0 -b < /path/to/the/patch"; stop backuppc; execure "perl configure.pl" and proceed as you would for a product upgrade. start backuppc; configure the new feature. You shoud configure WeeklyBackups, DailyBackups, WakeupSchedule, BlackoutPeriods, FullPeriod, FullKeepCount, IncrPeriod, IncrKeepCnt as a minimum. Instructions are given inside the config.pl file, however, I shall add some notes I derived from my experience. - In the patch documentation I suggest using blackout periods along with recurring backups. Nowadays I never use blackout periods anymore, it is simpler to have recurring backups scheduled explicitly, in fact I am used to remove all BlackoutPeriods from my configuration files. - I noticed that the first time I add a new host to my backup server, its backup starts at the first WakeupShedule occurrence even if the occurrence is outside of all configured time windows. I consider this a minor bug and I have not investigated it as I am used to manually start a full backup of any newly added hosts. - I noticed that all my backups run twice when my servers leave DST time and enter non-DST time. I have not investigated this bug as I consider it a minor flaw. It happens that once in a year I execute two backups instead of one for all my hosts. Not so dangerous. - Care must be taken when scheduling nightly backup jobs as they can overlap the "non-DST to DST" time frame. Once in a year you risk that your backup jobs will not be executed if you schedule them to occur in the same time window adopted for "non-DST to DST" transition. For example, once in a year the time window between 02:00 and 03:00 does not occur for servers in CET time zone when the transition to CEST occurs. Usually I adopt a time window which includes the transition window, for example: 01:00 to 06:00. - You can run many backups per day without recurring to any cron jobs. - The web configuration is supported, you are not required to manually edit any configuration files, look at the "Schedule" section. I hope my experience will be helpful. Any suggestions are welcome. Alberto Marconi Scrive Sebastian Perkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Hello, > > BackupPC is up & running for 6 months. > > One problem remains : backuppc's full/incr solution launches a full save > after a certain number of days. Unfortunately this happens most of the time > during office hours. > > The consequence is that certain servers are heavily loaded and users > complain... > > Is there any to force the full on weekends ? And just keep the incr on week > days ? > > Thanks in advance, > > > > > Sebastian Perkins > > RecurringBackups-v1.tar.gz Description: application/gzip-compressed - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK & win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100&url=/___ BackupPC-users mailing list BackupPC-users@lists.sourceforge.net List:https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/backuppc-users Wiki:http://backuppc.wiki.sourceforge.net Project: http://backuppc.sourceforge.net/
Re: [BackupPC-users] Incremental dumps hanging with 'Can't get rsync digests' & 'Can't call method "isCached"'
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Re: [BackupPC-users] Compression during Xfer
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Sebastien Sans wrote: > Hello, > > The compression system of the pool in BackupPc is great, it save a lot > of place, but I didn't found how to compress the tranfers in order to > save my bandwidth. > I tryed to modify the command line in "rzync" and "tar" modes to > activate compression (i added -z options to use gz compression), the > transfer was shorter but the result was'nt well recognized by > BackupPc. > I'm sure there is a simple way to compress the tranferts. If someone > has the solution, that would be great. > > Cordially, > > Ps: Sorry for my bad english, I tryed to do my best... With rsync the only way to do compression is by using ssh and getting ssh to do the compression. (Or doing it over a VPN where the VPN software compresses the data, or something similar). You can't use rsync compression. Regards, Adam - -- Adam Goryachev Website Managers Ph: +61 2 8304 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fax: +61 2 8304 0001www.websitemanagers.com.au -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFI7yghGyoxogrTyiURAjTyAJ0a8iKhsrpa+IvyNVocLfq9CW2/RgCdEXe4 paRUctyM87EQD7NQ1NT6sHk= =zqoq -END PGP SIGNATURE- - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK & win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100&url=/ ___ BackupPC-users mailing list BackupPC-users@lists.sourceforge.net List:https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/backuppc-users Wiki:http://backuppc.wiki.sourceforge.net Project: http://backuppc.sourceforge.net/
[BackupPC-users] Backup_dump - Wrong User
I've recently needed to reinstall BackupPC on Mac OS X 10.5 Leopard. While it had worked previously on this platform, I'm getting some very odd errors that driving me insane: I'm able to run backups for a period of time but some point in time during the day I'll begin to get repeated iterations of the following: /opt/local/BackupPC/bin/BackupPC_dump: Wrong user: my userid is 501, instead of (tlctoor) Please su tlctoor first BackupPC::Lib->new failed After I get this, newly initiated processes will fail but previously active processes seem to continue. I then need to restart the BackupPC service to get backups back on track. What am I missing, where should I look? Brian - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK & win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100&url=/___ BackupPC-users mailing list BackupPC-users@lists.sourceforge.net List:https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/backuppc-users Wiki:http://backuppc.wiki.sourceforge.net Project: http://backuppc.sourceforge.net/
Re: [BackupPC-users] rsync - writefd_unbuffered failed to write
> > > > > > Matthias Meyer wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > > > I've installed cygwin and rsync on a vista client and want backup it to > > > backuppc 3.1.0-2 on my Linux server: > > > > > > > 2008/10/17 10:30:28 [1432] rsync: writefd_unbuffered failed to write 4 > > bytes > > [sender]: Connection reset by peer (104) > > 2008/10/17 10:30:28 [1432] rsync error: error in rsync protocol data stream > > (code 12) at io.c(1541) [sender=3.0.4] > > 2008/10/17 10:30:28 [1432] _exit_cleanup(code=12, file=io.c, line=1541): > > > > Not that this will help, but I was getting these on Vista as well with > > rsync outside of backuppc -- in fact, I was copying files TO vista via > > rsync. I gave up on rsync... > > > > Rich > > Am Dienstag 28 Oktober 2008 schrieb dan: > are you sure you were using the right credentials with rsync? The user > rsync was running as might not have permission to write. Yes I am sure. I've installed rsync as a vista service and it runs as user SYSTEM. -- Don't Panic - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK & win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100&url=/ ___ BackupPC-users mailing list BackupPC-users@lists.sourceforge.net List:https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/backuppc-users Wiki:http://backuppc.wiki.sourceforge.net Project: http://backuppc.sourceforge.net/
[BackupPC-users] Little thoughts to share - RSYNC MAC SSH
Hi all! For some time I had trouble with rsync and ssh. My problem was that the ssh connection would stop after a few seconds with this error in backuppc log: Got fatal error during xfer (fileListReceive failed) and in the /var/log/messages: Disconnecting: Corrupted MAC on input. After searching for a while and doing some digging i found that i had files that would cause ssh to exit, usually you can exit ssh with "~." and in fact i had files with that name and content. what i did on backuppc config page was: on the main configuration editor, xfer: RsyncClientCmd $sshPath -q -x -l root $host $rsyncPath $argList+ changed to $sshPath -e none -q -x -l root $host $rsyncPath $argList+ RsyncClientRestoreCmd $sshPath -q -x -l root $host $rsyncPath $argList+ changed to $sshPath -e none -q -x -l root $host $rsyncPath $argList+ this will avoid escape caracters. what do you guys think on putting this by default on the next release? cheers, Pedro - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK & win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100&url=/ ___ BackupPC-users mailing list BackupPC-users@lists.sourceforge.net List:https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/backuppc-users Wiki:http://backuppc.wiki.sourceforge.net Project: http://backuppc.sourceforge.net/
Re: [BackupPC-users] Little thoughts to share - RSYNC MAC SSH
2008/10/28 Pedro M. S. Oliveira <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > RsyncClientCmd > $sshPath -q -x -l root $host $rsyncPath $argList+ > changed to > $sshPath -e none -q -x -l root $host $rsyncPath $argList+ > RsyncClientRestoreCmd > $sshPath -q -x -l root $host $rsyncPath $argList+ > changed to > $sshPath -e none -q -x -l root $host $rsyncPath $argList+ > > this will avoid escape caracters. > > what do you guys think on putting this by default on the next release? I think this makes perfect sense. I would *expect* it to have "-e none" by default. > cheers, > Pedro -- cheers, -ambrose The 'net used to be run by smart people; now many sites are run by idiots. So SAD... (Sites that do spam filtering on mails sent to the abuse contact need to be cut off the net...) - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK & win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100&url=/ ___ BackupPC-users mailing list BackupPC-users@lists.sourceforge.net List:https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/backuppc-users Wiki:http://backuppc.wiki.sourceforge.net Project: http://backuppc.sourceforge.net/
