Re: [BackupPC-users] Per-PC pools

2013-03-15 Thread A Braxis
On Thu, 14 Mar 2013, Holger Parplies wrote:

 The OP can decide for himself, and I
 wish him the best of luck. I'm confident he won't come here with his
problems
 if he runs into any.

I for one can't imagine why he wouldn't come here with his problems. After
all, he received such a warm reception this time. ;-D

Back to lurking,
Abe.
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Re: [BackupPC-users] Per-PC pools

2013-03-15 Thread A Braxis
I'm not sure all of this is warranted.

I haven't tried the code, but looked at the patch over dinner and his
changes in Lib.pm are in a place such that dumps and restores should use
them just fine. I think Steven's taken care of the helper utilities that
doesn't use Lib.pm too. The premise is sound. And I don't see any see any
reason it shouldn't work.

I'm not sure if curious enough to test the changes, but I don't think it's
fair of Holger to try to silence him.

Abe.


On Fri, Mar 15, 2013 at 1:42 PM, Holger Parplies wb...@parplies.de wrote:

 Hi,

 Les Mikesell wrote on 2013-03-15 10:47:34 -0500 [Re: [BackupPC-users]
 Per-PC pools]:
  On Fri, Mar 15, 2013 at 10:27 AM, Tyler J. Wagner ty...@tolaris.com
 wrote:
 
   I for one can't imagine why he wouldn't come here with his problems.
 After
   all, he received such a warm reception this time. ;-D

 that's not the point. This is the *BackupPC users* list, not the
 I-applied-a-wild-hack-against-your-advice-so-please-help-me-now list.
 There would appear to be somewhat of a consensus that we don't like the
 idea, so why would we help with something that is clearly no longer a
 BackupPC matter?

   I am also not happy with the snarky responses lately. I don't
 understand
   why you are doing this, but I'll judge you for it. I didn't read your
   patch, but here's why it can't possibly work, or will set your head on
   fire, or will become a time bomb you should vaguely fear.
 
  Note that those came _after_ the OP asked for advice, got it, and then
  complained that he didn't like it...

 Yes, but sometimes they come earlier, especially when a stupid question is
 asked via Backup Central, or rather, when a question is asked in a stupid
 way.
 That was not the case here, clearly.

 I must remark, though, that the OP is potentially doing great harm and
 *ignoring hints to stop it*, so I'm extremely likely to get unfriendly
 towards
 the end of this post.

   I'm here because I'm a BackupPC user and I want to both learn and help
   others.

 Right, and that includes people just reading this list or possibly only
 single
 posts they find via google. Hey, I always wanted to split up my pool,
 because
 it doesn't fit on a single disk. Look, here's a patch that does that. Let's
 try it out.

   I hope the rest of you feel the same. Even if you can't imagine
   someone's use case, and even if you disagree with it, there is no
 cause for
   incivility.

 I can imagine the use case, and I tried suggesting alternatives (as did
 others). The response was I've already considered everything else and
 ruled
 it out. So, he doesn't want advice. Then again, he's asking for it. That
 is
 simply irritating.

  It isn't a matter of not imagining this use case - it is going beyond
  and imagining if  something goes wrong, or if you had to take over as
  a replacement sysadmin where someone had made one-off changes like
  that and even if they work you won't be able to get any help
  understanding or maintaining them.

 Yes, and there is no indication the OP has thought about that. There's
 only I
 know what I'm doing, trust me type of statements. Still, it's not our
 problem. It's well meant but unwanted advice.

  But, it doesn't pay to be thin-skinned or to take technical advice
  personally in this business.

 Right. You're talking to coders, not diplomats. If you prefer diplomatic
 advice to technically sound advice, then that's perfectly ok, but this is
 simply the wrong place.

 Stephen Joyce wrote on 2013-03-15 12:34:24 -0400 [Re: [BackupPC-users]
 Per-PC pools]:
  V2 of the patch (unified, per request, even though there is no real
  standard for diff/patch) attached, if anyone cares.

 Let me be very clear. I URGE YOU TO NEVER AGAIN POST POTENTIALLY HARMFUL
 CODE
 ON THIS LIST. Ok?
 Your code is of interest to *noone* except yourself. If someone should
 really
 happen to have a similar problem and seek a similar solution, then he can
 ask.
 I'm quite sure he will be pointed to you (if he will not be discouraged),
 and
 then you can explain to him the prerequisites your code requires, which I
 somewhat doubt are documented. No, that's not a request for V3 with
 included
 documentation.

 Regards,
 Holger


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