Re: [BackupPC-users] How to force full backups on weekends?
I did search Google and researched the topic in the wiki and documentation and the only thing I could find remotely related was the cron scheduling page in the wiki. If a question is asked (and answered) a lot I guess I would expect to see the best solutions at least listed on the wiki. But it's not. Sorry for 'wasting' your time. Jake Wilson On Wed, Apr 13, 2011 at 3:33 PM, Jeffrey J. Kosowsky backu...@kosowsky.orgwrote: Jake Wilson wrote at about 11:54:13 -0600 on Wednesday, April 13, 2011: In order to minimize cpu load on our servers at the office, I'd like to make sure that the full backups only occur on the weekends. Is there a straightforward way to accomplish this in the interface or do I need to go the cron job route? Does anybody bother to do a Google search or read the archives before WASTING our time asking the EXACT same question that was asked just a couple of weeks ago? This newslist gets enough traffic even without people asking the same questions over and over again. It really is getting to be quite rude... It's as if posters think the rest of us have all the time in the world to answer the same FAQ's again because they are too lazy to try to find out the answer themselves. -- Benefiting from Server Virtualization: Beyond Initial Workload Consolidation -- Increasing the use of server virtualization is a top priority.Virtualization can reduce costs, simplify management, and improve application availability and disaster protection. Learn more about boosting the value of server virtualization. http://p.sf.net/sfu/vmware-sfdev2dev ___ BackupPC-users mailing list BackupPC-users@lists.sourceforge.net List:https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/backuppc-users Wiki:http://backuppc.wiki.sourceforge.net Project: http://backuppc.sourceforge.net/ -- Benefiting from Server Virtualization: Beyond Initial Workload Consolidation -- Increasing the use of server virtualization is a top priority.Virtualization can reduce costs, simplify management, and improve application availability and disaster protection. Learn more about boosting the value of server virtualization. http://p.sf.net/sfu/vmware-sfdev2dev___ BackupPC-users mailing list BackupPC-users@lists.sourceforge.net List:https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/backuppc-users Wiki:http://backuppc.wiki.sourceforge.net Project: http://backuppc.sourceforge.net/
Re: [BackupPC-users] How to force full backups on weekends?
On 4/14/2011 12:04 PM, Jake Wilson wrote: I did search Google and researched the topic in the wiki and documentation and the only thing I could find remotely related was the cron scheduling page in the wiki. If a question is asked (and answered) a lot I guess I would expect to see the best solutions at least listed on the wiki. But it's not. Sorry for 'wasting' your time. The reason you didn't find anything other than cron scheduling is that BackupPC does not have any features for strict scheduling of backups. The best it can do is to schedule the full backup as 1 week from the last successful full backup and this is susceptible to creep due to failed backups (Saturday's full backup fails, so it tries again on Sunday...future full backups are now done on Sundays). If you need something more structured, you have to go to cron. -- Bowie -- Benefiting from Server Virtualization: Beyond Initial Workload Consolidation -- Increasing the use of server virtualization is a top priority.Virtualization can reduce costs, simplify management, and improve application availability and disaster protection. Learn more about boosting the value of server virtualization. http://p.sf.net/sfu/vmware-sfdev2dev ___ BackupPC-users mailing list BackupPC-users@lists.sourceforge.net List:https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/backuppc-users Wiki:http://backuppc.wiki.sourceforge.net Project: http://backuppc.sourceforge.net/
Re: [BackupPC-users] How to force full backups on weekends?
I have scripts run from cron that: 1. do full backups on Fridays 2. do full backups on the last day of the month 3. prunes (deletes) backups based on a schedule, in my case: a. delete all full backups that don't land on a Friday or the last day of the month b. keep monthly backups for 15 month c. keep yearly backups for 7 years d. keep weekly backups for 10 weeks Works like a charm, and made accounting happy. At one point (before the scripts), the end of month backup was an incremental, and was deleted in BackupPC's regular fashion. Oops. They needed the month end data again, and all I could give them was a couple of days before or after. i still let BackupPC delete incrementals whenever it wants. Gerald - Original Message - From: Bowie Bailey bowie_bai...@buc.com To: backuppc-users@lists.sourceforge.net Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2011 11:23:51 AM Subject: Re: [BackupPC-users] How to force full backups on weekends? On 4/14/2011 12:04 PM, Jake Wilson wrote: I did search Google and researched the topic in the wiki and documentation and the only thing I could find remotely related was the cron scheduling page in the wiki. If a question is asked (and answered) a lot I guess I would expect to see the best solutions at least listed on the wiki. But it's not. Sorry for 'wasting' your time. The reason you didn't find anything other than cron scheduling is that BackupPC does not have any features for strict scheduling of backups. The best it can do is to schedule the full backup as 1 week from the last successful full backup and this is susceptible to creep due to failed backups (Saturday's full backup fails, so it tries again on Sunday...future full backups are now done on Sundays). If you need something more structured, you have to go to cron. -- Bowie -- Benefiting from Server Virtualization: Beyond Initial Workload Consolidation -- Increasing the use of server virtualization is a top priority.Virtualization can reduce costs, simplify management, and improve application availability and disaster protection. Learn more about boosting the value of server virtualization. http://p.sf.net/sfu/vmware-sfdev2dev ___ BackupPC-users mailing list BackupPC-users@lists.sourceforge.net List:https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/backuppc-users Wiki:http://backuppc.wiki.sourceforge.net Project: http://backuppc.sourceforge.net/ -- Benefiting from Server Virtualization: Beyond Initial Workload Consolidation -- Increasing the use of server virtualization is a top priority.Virtualization can reduce costs, simplify management, and improve application availability and disaster protection. Learn more about boosting the value of server virtualization. http://p.sf.net/sfu/vmware-sfdev2dev ___ BackupPC-users mailing list BackupPC-users@lists.sourceforge.net List:https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/backuppc-users Wiki:http://backuppc.wiki.sourceforge.net Project: http://backuppc.sourceforge.net/
Re: [BackupPC-users] How to force full backups on weekends?
Hi, Jake Wilson wrote on 2011-04-14 10:04:42 -0600 [Re: [BackupPC-users] How to force full backups on weekends?]: I did search Google and researched the topic in the wiki and documentation and the only thing I could find remotely related was the cron scheduling page in the wiki. in my opinion, that is exactly the right place, so if you found that, your search was good - probably even very good, because the name of the page is not good ;-). The problem is, if you *know* the answer, you'll find it on that page. It's just not obvious (and it should be, because it's intended for people who *don't* know the answer yet). If a question is asked (and answered) a lot I guess I would expect to see the best solutions at least listed on the wiki. I agree with you there. As for me, I have, in the past, spent my energy on answering questions here rather than in the wiki. I would have loved to have a *good* wiki page to point to instead, but I never got around to putting any time into it. This time, I edited the wiki page instead. I would be greatly interested if my changes clear anything up or confuse matters further (and whether they answer your question). If they don't, keep asking. That's the only way we'll ever get answers into the wiki (that people other than ourselves understand). And Jeffrey, if you could give me a pointer to the previous thread, I'll add anything from there, or you could, of course, also do that yourself ;-). Regards, Holger -- Benefiting from Server Virtualization: Beyond Initial Workload Consolidation -- Increasing the use of server virtualization is a top priority.Virtualization can reduce costs, simplify management, and improve application availability and disaster protection. Learn more about boosting the value of server virtualization. http://p.sf.net/sfu/vmware-sfdev2dev ___ BackupPC-users mailing list BackupPC-users@lists.sourceforge.net List:https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/backuppc-users Wiki:http://backuppc.wiki.sourceforge.net Project: http://backuppc.sourceforge.net/
Re: [BackupPC-users] How to force full backups on weekends?
Jake Wilson wrote at about 10:04:42 -0600 on Thursday, April 14, 2011: I did search Google and researched the topic in the wiki and documentation and the only thing I could find remotely related was the cron scheduling page in the wiki. If a question is asked (and answered) a lot I guess I would expect to see the best solutions at least listed on the wiki. But it's not. Sorry for 'wasting' your time. You must not be very good at Google ;) Googling: backuppc full weekend (those are the 3 key words used based on your own first sentence I'd like to make sure that full backups only occur on the weekends) And what do you know... THE *FIRST* (non-advertisement) Google result is... Re: [BackupPC-users] Restrict machine to do full backups Friday ... Mar 30, 2011 ... Re: [BackupPC-users] Restrict machine to do full backups Friday night ... that machine to exclude everything except for the weekend -- or ... http://www.adsm.org/lists/html/BackupPC-users/2011-03/msg00339.html Which is *exactly the thread from less than 2 weeks ago that I was referencing... So, really now, is googling that hard? Is looking through the last 13 days of archives that difficult? Jake Wilson On Wed, Apr 13, 2011 at 3:33 PM, Jeffrey J. Kosowsky backu...@kosowsky.orgwrote: Jake Wilson wrote at about 11:54:13 -0600 on Wednesday, April 13, 2011: In order to minimize cpu load on our servers at the office, I'd like to make sure that the full backups only occur on the weekends. Is there a straightforward way to accomplish this in the interface or do I need to go the cron job route? Does anybody bother to do a Google search or read the archives before WASTING our time asking the EXACT same question that was asked just a couple of weeks ago? This newslist gets enough traffic even without people asking the same questions over and over again. It really is getting to be quite rude... It's as if posters think the rest of us have all the time in the world to answer the same FAQ's again because they are too lazy to try to find out the answer themselves. -- Benefiting from Server Virtualization: Beyond Initial Workload Consolidation -- Increasing the use of server virtualization is a top priority.Virtualization can reduce costs, simplify management, and improve application availability and disaster protection. Learn more about boosting the value of server virtualization. http://p.sf.net/sfu/vmware-sfdev2dev ___ BackupPC-users mailing list BackupPC-users@lists.sourceforge.net List:https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/backuppc-users Wiki:http://backuppc.wiki.sourceforge.net Project: http://backuppc.sourceforge.net/ -- -- Benefiting from Server Virtualization: Beyond Initial Workload Consolidation -- Increasing the use of server virtualization is a top priority.Virtualization can reduce costs, simplify management, and improve application availability and disaster protection. Learn more about boosting the value of server virtualization. http://p.sf.net/sfu/vmware-sfdev2dev -- ___ BackupPC-users mailing list BackupPC-users@lists.sourceforge.net List:https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/backuppc-users Wiki:http://backuppc.wiki.sourceforge.net Project: http://backuppc.sourceforge.net/ -- Benefiting from Server Virtualization: Beyond Initial Workload Consolidation -- Increasing the use of server virtualization is a top priority.Virtualization can reduce costs, simplify management, and improve application availability and disaster protection. Learn more about boosting the value of server virtualization. http://p.sf.net/sfu/vmware-sfdev2dev ___ BackupPC-users mailing list BackupPC-users@lists.sourceforge.net List:https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/backuppc-users Wiki:http://backuppc.wiki.sourceforge.net Project: http://backuppc.sourceforge.net/
Re: [BackupPC-users] How to force full backups on weekends?
Holger Parplies wrote at about 19:48:52 +0200 on Thursday, April 14, 2011: And Jeffrey, if you could give me a pointer to the previous thread, I'll add anything from there, or you could, of course, also do that yourself ;-). Sure I posted the reference on my last reply to Jake... -- Benefiting from Server Virtualization: Beyond Initial Workload Consolidation -- Increasing the use of server virtualization is a top priority.Virtualization can reduce costs, simplify management, and improve application availability and disaster protection. Learn more about boosting the value of server virtualization. http://p.sf.net/sfu/vmware-sfdev2dev ___ BackupPC-users mailing list BackupPC-users@lists.sourceforge.net List:https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/backuppc-users Wiki:http://backuppc.wiki.sourceforge.net Project: http://backuppc.sourceforge.net/
[BackupPC-users] How to force full backups on weekends?
In order to minimize cpu load on our servers at the office, I'd like to make sure that the full backups only occur on the weekends. Is there a straightforward way to accomplish this in the interface or do I need to go the cron job route? http://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/backuppc/index.php?title=Schedule_Backups_With_Cron It sounds like it's better to allow BackupPC to choose when the back things up... but how does it decide? How does it know what is the best time? I've also noticed that when I add a new host to the config, lets say on a Wednesday afternoon, the full backups for that server always seem to occur on Wednesday nights. It would be nice to set up the config so that the full backups happen on Friday or Saturday nights, but does that mean that I need to manually add those servers into the config on Friday or Saturday afternoon? Or can I just schedule it somehow? Jake Wilson -- Forrester Wave Report - Recovery time is now measured in hours and minutes not days. Key insights are discussed in the 2010 Forrester Wave Report as part of an in-depth evaluation of disaster recovery service providers. Forrester found the best-in-class provider in terms of services and vision. Read this report now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/ibm-webcastpromo___ BackupPC-users mailing list BackupPC-users@lists.sourceforge.net List:https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/backuppc-users Wiki:http://backuppc.wiki.sourceforge.net Project: http://backuppc.sourceforge.net/
Re: [BackupPC-users] How to force full backups on weekends?
On 4/13/2011 1:54 PM, Jake Wilson wrote: I've also noticed that when I add a new host to the config, lets say on a Wednesday afternoon, the full backups for that server always seem to occur on Wednesday nights. It would be nice to set up the config so that the full backups happen on Friday or Saturday nights, but does that mean that I need to manually add those servers into the config on Friday or Saturday afternoon? Or can I just schedule it somehow? Incremental backups have to rely on a prior full backup as a base. The first backup of a server must be a full backup. Since you have no previous backups, BackupPC will kick off a backup during the next available time-slot. And, as the first backup of a new server, it will be a full backup. If you have it configured for weekly full backups, the full backup will then happen at approximately that same time each week. You can reset the schedule by manually starting a full backup when you want it to happen. Or just don't add the server until you are ready for it to run a full backup. -- Bowie -- Forrester Wave Report - Recovery time is now measured in hours and minutes not days. Key insights are discussed in the 2010 Forrester Wave Report as part of an in-depth evaluation of disaster recovery service providers. Forrester found the best-in-class provider in terms of services and vision. Read this report now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/ibm-webcastpromo ___ BackupPC-users mailing list BackupPC-users@lists.sourceforge.net List:https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/backuppc-users Wiki:http://backuppc.wiki.sourceforge.net Project: http://backuppc.sourceforge.net/
Re: [BackupPC-users] How to force full backups on weekends?
I think that I will go with the option to keep the backup disabled until Friday at 5pm and then enable it, which should allow the first full backup to occur friday night. Thanks for the insight. Jake Wilson On Wed, Apr 13, 2011 at 12:55 PM, Bowie Bailey bowie_bai...@buc.com wrote: On 4/13/2011 1:54 PM, Jake Wilson wrote: I've also noticed that when I add a new host to the config, lets say on a Wednesday afternoon, the full backups for that server always seem to occur on Wednesday nights. It would be nice to set up the config so that the full backups happen on Friday or Saturday nights, but does that mean that I need to manually add those servers into the config on Friday or Saturday afternoon? Or can I just schedule it somehow? Incremental backups have to rely on a prior full backup as a base. The first backup of a server must be a full backup. Since you have no previous backups, BackupPC will kick off a backup during the next available time-slot. And, as the first backup of a new server, it will be a full backup. If you have it configured for weekly full backups, the full backup will then happen at approximately that same time each week. You can reset the schedule by manually starting a full backup when you want it to happen. Or just don't add the server until you are ready for it to run a full backup. -- Bowie -- Forrester Wave Report - Recovery time is now measured in hours and minutes not days. Key insights are discussed in the 2010 Forrester Wave Report as part of an in-depth evaluation of disaster recovery service providers. Forrester found the best-in-class provider in terms of services and vision. Read this report now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/ibm-webcastpromo ___ BackupPC-users mailing list BackupPC-users@lists.sourceforge.net List:https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/backuppc-users Wiki:http://backuppc.wiki.sourceforge.net Project: http://backuppc.sourceforge.net/ -- Benefiting from Server Virtualization: Beyond Initial Workload Consolidation -- Increasing the use of server virtualization is a top priority.Virtualization can reduce costs, simplify management, and improve application availability and disaster protection. Learn more about boosting the value of server virtualization. http://p.sf.net/sfu/vmware-sfdev2dev___ BackupPC-users mailing list BackupPC-users@lists.sourceforge.net List:https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/backuppc-users Wiki:http://backuppc.wiki.sourceforge.net Project: http://backuppc.sourceforge.net/
Re: [BackupPC-users] How to force full backups on weekends?
Jake Wilson wrote at about 11:54:13 -0600 on Wednesday, April 13, 2011: In order to minimize cpu load on our servers at the office, I'd like to make sure that the full backups only occur on the weekends. Is there a straightforward way to accomplish this in the interface or do I need to go the cron job route? Does anybody bother to do a Google search or read the archives before WASTING our time asking the EXACT same question that was asked just a couple of weeks ago? This newslist gets enough traffic even without people asking the same questions over and over again. It really is getting to be quite rude... It's as if posters think the rest of us have all the time in the world to answer the same FAQ's again because they are too lazy to try to find out the answer themselves. -- Benefiting from Server Virtualization: Beyond Initial Workload Consolidation -- Increasing the use of server virtualization is a top priority.Virtualization can reduce costs, simplify management, and improve application availability and disaster protection. Learn more about boosting the value of server virtualization. http://p.sf.net/sfu/vmware-sfdev2dev ___ BackupPC-users mailing list BackupPC-users@lists.sourceforge.net List:https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/backuppc-users Wiki:http://backuppc.wiki.sourceforge.net Project: http://backuppc.sourceforge.net/
