Re: [BackupPC-users] REQUEST FOR ADVICE ON SUITABILITY OF BACKUPPC
SamK wrote: > > > FEEDBACK ON SUGGESTIONS > * Proof of concept has been successfully established based upon using > multiple 'hosts' and aliases in accordance with the advice received. > * Smb has been used at this stage and rsync will be investigted as an > alternative. > * The ability for BackupPc administrative user to copy all backups to > external (removable) disks for disater recovery purposes will be investigated > once a working setup of the other items in the wish listed has been > established. Depending on the amount of RAM you have relative to the size of the archive, you might be able to rsync the whole thing to a copy elsewhere but with large archives the number of hardlinks can make this impractical. Otherwise you can image-copy the drive or set it up on a mirrored raid where you rotate one of the mirrors offsite periodically. > QUESTIONS > 01 What are the benefits of using rsync versus smb? Less bandwidth use, more accurate incrementals (detects removed files and new ones copied in with old timestamps). > 02 Does the choice of rsync or smb affect the off-site copies on removable > disks for disaster recovery purposes? No, the archive ends up the same. > 03 Is the archive mechanism suitable for use as a disaster recovery tool? 'Archive hosts' end up generating a tar image. If you know how to reconstruct from a tar image you are all set. If you come up with a way to duplicate the entire archive partition, you'll need an installed copy of backuppc to access it. > 04 Is it possible to use Samba domain accounts with backuppc rather that the > default Apache htpasswd? Apache has a large number of mod_auth_xxx modules for authentication. You can do this with mod_auth_pam but it isn't included in most distributions and there may be better ways. > 05 > Rob Owens wrote: >> For every "host" you configure, you must assign a user who is permitted to >> access those backups. You can assign multiple users and/or groups. > How is the assignment of multiple groups conducted as opposed to using a list > of 'moreUsers'? I didn't think you could use group names in the hosts file. > 06 When logging into BackupPC as a user is it possible to: > (a) force the web page to defualt to displaying 'Browse backups'? > (b) remove from the left-hand side-panel under aliased hostname section; > all options except 'Browse backups'? > (c) remove from the left-hand side-panel the entire 'Server' section? If you don't log in as an administrator you only see the hosts where you are listed as the owner and all you can do is start/stop/browse. But the whole web site is generated by a perl script that you can modify if you want. -- Les Mikesell [EMAIL PROTECTED] - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK & win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100&url=/ ___ BackupPC-users mailing list BackupPC-users@lists.sourceforge.net List:https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/backuppc-users Wiki:http://backuppc.wiki.sourceforge.net Project: http://backuppc.sourceforge.net/
Re: [BackupPC-users] REQUEST FOR ADVICE ON SUITABILITY OF BACKUPPC
SamK wrote: > QUESTIONS > 01 What are the benefits of using rsync rather versus smb? Rsync only transfers the changed files -- even on full backups. Smb will require a periodic full transfer of all files. Basically, rsync requires much less bandwidth if you have a fairly large amount of static data. > 02 Does the choice of rsync or smb affect the off-site copies on removable > disks for disaster recovery purposes? rsync is *way* better if you're doing backups over the internet. > 03 Is it possible to use Samba domain accounts with backuppc rather that the > default Apache htpasswd? I think all authentication has to be done through Apache, but it doesn't necessarily have to be htpasswd. I saw a post on this list recently where someone explained how to set up LDAP authentication for Apache and make it work with BackupPC. So I suppose it's possible to use Samba domain accounts, but I can't give you instruction on it. > 04 > Rob Owens wrote: >> For every "host" you configure, you must assign a user who is permitted to >> access those backups. You can assign multiple users and/or groups. > How is the assignment of multiple groups conducted as opposed to using a list > of 'moreUsers'? > Hmm, I thought you could do groups, but maybe I'm confused. Does anybody know if it's possible? What if you create an htgroup and enter that group name as "user" in the hosts configuration section? > 05 When logging into BackupPC as a user is it possible to: > (a) force the web page to defualt to displaying 'Browse backups'? > (b) remove from the left-hand side-panel under aliased hostname section; > all options except 'Browse backups'? > (c) remove from the left-hand side-panel the entire 'Server' section? > Admin-type stuff does not appear on the screen if the logged-in user is not an admin. (For instance, there will be no option to edit the global config file). Anything else can probably be removed if you dive into the cgi code, but I don't think there's a simple "for dummies" set of instructions -- I asked about that on this list a few months back. -Rob The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the addressee, any disclosure, reproduction, copying, distribution, or other dissemination or use of this transmission in error please notify the sender immediately and then delete this e-mail. E-mail transmission cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error free as information could be intercepted, corrupted lost, destroyed, arrive late or incomplete, or contain viruses. The sender therefore does not accept liability for any errors or omissions in the contents of this message which arise as a result of e-mail transmission. If verification is required please request a hard copy version. - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK & win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100&url=/ ___ BackupPC-users mailing list BackupPC-users@lists.sourceforge.net List:https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/backuppc-users Wiki:http://backuppc.wiki.sourceforge.net Project: http://backuppc.sourceforge.net/
Re: [BackupPC-users] REQUEST FOR ADVICE ON SUITABILITY OF BACKUPPC
SamK wrote on 2008-10-28 08:14:04 -0400 [[BackupPC-users] REQUEST FOR ADVICE ON SUITABILITY OF BACKUPPC]: > > This is an edited version of a previous post And thereby useless. Do you really think anyone will look closely for what you might have changed from your previous post? Remember, this is a mailing list, *not* a forum. On the bright side, this time backupcentral did not split the thread. Wow. Regards, Holger - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK & win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100&url=/ ___ BackupPC-users mailing list BackupPC-users@lists.sourceforge.net List:https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/backuppc-users Wiki:http://backuppc.wiki.sourceforge.net Project: http://backuppc.sourceforge.net/
Re: [BackupPC-users] REQUEST FOR ADVICE ON SUITABILITY OF BACKUPPC
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 SamK wrote: > FEEDBACK ON SUGGESTIONS > * Proof of concept has been successfully established based upon using > multiple 'hosts' and aliases in accordance with the advice received. > * Smb has been used at this stage and rsync will be investigted as an > alternative. > * The ability for BackupPc administrative user to copy all backups to > external (removable) disks for disater recovery purposes will be investigated > once a working setup of the other items in the wish listed has been > established. > > > QUESTIONS > 01 What are the benefits of using rsync rather versus smb? The benefits are basically that rsync will more accurately backup the correct files for incr and full backups, actually, the main advantage is when you have limited bandwidth between server and backuppc because rsync will send less data over the network. If both sides are Linux, then I think everybody strongly suggests using rsync + ssh. > 02 Does the choice of rsync or smb affect the off-site copies on removable > disks for disaster recovery purposes? No, no difference at all. Basically, using smb might result in some files not being backed up in a incr, (ie, files with old date/timestamp) and so that will produce a different archive, but other than that, both rsync/smb/tar/any other method will result in the same archive. > 03 Is it possible to use Samba domain accounts with backuppc rather that the > default Apache htpasswd? Well, backuppc uses the authentication provided by apache, which by default, is htpasswd. You can configure apache to do authentication via smb, and hence you can get backuppc to use smb auth. If you choose to implement this, I would suggest working through the apache communities on how to protect a simple html page using smb accounts, and once you have that working, then move on to getting it to work with backuppc. > 05 When logging into BackupPC as a user is it possible to: > (a) force the web page to defualt to displaying 'Browse backups'? > (b) remove from the left-hand side-panel under aliased hostname section; > all options except 'Browse backups'? > (c) remove from the left-hand side-panel the entire 'Server' section? Not sure, I don't use backuppc v3 yet... I know you can alter the links to sourceforge, faq, etc At the end of the day, it is all open source, so you can change anything you need. Not that I would recommend this, since it will be harder to maintain in the future. BTW, please consider subscribing to the mailing list instead of posting through backup central. Regards, Adam -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFJBupVGyoxogrTyiURAq42AKCaeq3SQQMKj94WopschnHjzyVw/ACfUJfe NoAF4qTbR55DOTEhSiIUCxU= =KvqJ -END PGP SIGNATURE- - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK & win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100&url=/ ___ BackupPC-users mailing list BackupPC-users@lists.sourceforge.net List:https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/backuppc-users Wiki:http://backuppc.wiki.sourceforge.net Project: http://backuppc.sourceforge.net/
[BackupPC-users] REQUEST FOR ADVICE ON SUITABILITY OF BACKUPPC
This is an edited version of a previous post Many thanks for the your replies. It is always encouraging when existing members of a forum respond so quickly to a request from a new member. Adam Goryachev wrote: > It would appear from your goals that you do not wish to backup/restore the > windows/linux client machines, you are only interested in backing up the > server, and allowing the users to control restores as needed? An accurate summation. Adam Goryachev wrote: > I would also add a global backup for everything else outside of /home for the > admin user only... This was my intention, but omitted from the original post for the sake of brevity. Any further suggestions of this type will be gratefully received. Adam Goryachev wrote: > Finally, you might want to set the number of concurrent backups quite > low (1 or 2) since they really all point to the same machine, and you > will just cause disk thrashing with higher numbers... This was precisely the type of insight I was hoping to receive from experienced users. Very helpful. Rob Owens wrote: > The documentation is very long, but it provides a lot of very helpful > information. I fully agree with this point of view. The documentation formed part of the initial research conducted to help establish that BackupPC might be a suitable candidate for my requirements. The number of configuration options can be difficult for a new user of the product to know what is required to obtain a basic working confuguration upon which tests can then be performed. It was from this position that the advice of existing forum members was requested. FEEDBACK ON SUGGESTIONS * Proof of concept has been successfully established based upon using multiple 'hosts' and aliases in accordance with the advice received. * Smb has been used at this stage and rsync will be investigted as an alternative. * The ability for BackupPc administrative user to copy all backups to external (removable) disks for disater recovery purposes will be investigated once a working setup of the other items in the wish listed has been established. QUESTIONS 01 What are the benefits of using rsync versus smb? 02 Does the choice of rsync or smb affect the off-site copies on removable disks for disaster recovery purposes? 03 Is the archive mechanism suitable for use as a disaster recovery tool? 04 Is it possible to use Samba domain accounts with backuppc rather that the default Apache htpasswd? 05 Rob Owens wrote: > For every "host" you configure, you must assign a user who is permitted to > access those backups. You can assign multiple users and/or groups. How is the assignment of multiple groups conducted as opposed to using a list of 'moreUsers'? 06 When logging into BackupPC as a user is it possible to: (a) force the web page to defualt to displaying 'Browse backups'? (b) remove from the left-hand side-panel under aliased hostname section; all options except 'Browse backups'? (c) remove from the left-hand side-panel the entire 'Server' section? +-- |This was sent by [EMAIL PROTECTED] via Backup Central. |Forward SPAM to [EMAIL PROTECTED] +-- - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK & win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100&url=/ ___ BackupPC-users mailing list BackupPC-users@lists.sourceforge.net List:https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/backuppc-users Wiki:http://backuppc.wiki.sourceforge.net Project: http://backuppc.sourceforge.net/
[BackupPC-users] REQUEST FOR ADVICE ON SUITABILITY OF BACKUPPC
Many thanks for the your replies. It is always encouraging when existing members of a forum respond so quickly to a request from a new member. Adam Goryachev wrote: > It would appear from your goals that you do not wish to backup/restore the > windows/linux client machines, you are only interested in backing up the > server, and allowing the users to control restores as needed? An accurate summation. Adam Goryachev wrote: > I would also add a global backup for everything else outside of /home for the > admin user only... This was my intention, but omitted from the original post for the sake of brevity. Any further suggestions of this type will be gratefully received. Adam Goryachev wrote: > Finally, you might want to set the number of concurrent backups quite > low (1 or 2) since they really all point to the same machine, and you > will just cause disk thrashing with higher numbers... This was precisely the type of insight I was hoping to receive from experienced users. Very helpful. Rob Owens wrote: > The documentation is very long, but it provides a lot of very helpful > information. I fully agree with this point of view. The documentation formed part of the initial research conducted to help establish that BackupPC might be a suitable candidate for my requirements. The number of configuration options can be difficult for a new user of the product to know what is required to obtain a basic working confuguration upon which tests can then be performed. It was from this position that the advice of existing forum members was requested. FEEDBACK ON SUGGESTIONS * Proof of concept has been successfully established based upon using multiple 'hosts' and aliases in accordance with the advice received. * Smb has been used at this stage and rsync will be investigted as an alternative. * The ability for BackupPc administrative user to copy all backups to external (removable) disks for disater recovery purposes will be investigated once a working setup of the other items in the wish listed has been established. QUESTIONS 01 What are the benefits of using rsync rather versus smb? 02 Does the choice of rsync or smb affect the off-site copies on removable disks for disaster recovery purposes? 03 Is it possible to use Samba domain accounts with backuppc rather that the default Apache htpasswd? 04 Rob Owens wrote: > For every "host" you configure, you must assign a user who is permitted to > access those backups. You can assign multiple users and/or groups. How is the assignment of multiple groups conducted as opposed to using a list of 'moreUsers'? 05 When logging into BackupPC as a user is it possible to: (a) force the web page to defualt to displaying 'Browse backups'? (b) remove from the left-hand side-panel under aliased hostname section; all options except 'Browse backups'? (c) remove from the left-hand side-panel the entire 'Server' section? +-- |This was sent by [EMAIL PROTECTED] via Backup Central. |Forward SPAM to [EMAIL PROTECTED] +-- - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK & win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100&url=/ ___ BackupPC-users mailing list BackupPC-users@lists.sourceforge.net List:https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/backuppc-users Wiki:http://backuppc.wiki.sourceforge.net Project: http://backuppc.sourceforge.net/
Re: [BackupPC-users] REQUEST FOR ADVICE ON SUITABILITY OF BACKUPPC
SamK wrote: > This is an edited version of a previous post > > > Hi. > I am hoping to find some advice to assist in fulfilling the following wish > list. The LAN is operating OK and supports both Linux (Ubuntu) and Windows > (XP) clients. My questions relate only to BackupPC within this framework. > From research conducted it appears that some of the the wish list are > standard features of BackupPC. I am hoping that those which remain can be > achieved by appropriate configuration. > > SUMMARY of LAN > Primary Domain Controller Server > OS = Ubuntu 8.04 LTS Server Edition > Samba = 3.0.28a > Share = home for each user > Share = allusers (common area for all members of users group) > > BackupPC Server > OS = Ubuntu 8.04 LTS Server Edition > BackupPc = 3.0.0 (obtained from Ubuntu repository) > > WISH LIST > 01 Users not required to initiate backups > 02 Backup of each home and common area to be initiated from BackupPC Server > via schedule > 03 Users able to conduct restore via web interface > 04 Each user able to access and restore only their own home backup > 05 Every member of a common group able to access and restore a backup of a > common share > 06 Reliability of backup/restore higher priority than efficiency/speed > 07 Ease of use by end user of higher priority than security > 08 Ability for BackupPc administrative user to copy all backups to external > (removable) disks > > QUESTIONS > 01 Is the wish list achievable using BackupPC? yes. Of course, "ease of use" is different from one user to another. > 02 Is anyone able to point to a 'how to' type guide to assist with this? The documentation is very long, but it provides a lot of very helpful information. That's where I'd start. It's apparent that BackupPC will do what you are looking for, so reading the documentation will not be a waste of your time. > 03 Has any member of the forum any advice on how best to configure BackupPC > to meet the wish list? For every "host" you configure, you must assign a user who is permitted to access those backups. You can assign multiple users and/or groups. The default setup uses your web server's user/permission scheme. For instance, Apache uses an htpasswd file. > 04 Any suggestions of alternative FOSS products if BackupPC is not a suitable > choice? > I've used rsnapshot in the past. You could try looking into that. -Rob The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the addressee, any disclosure, reproduction, copying, distribution, or other dissemination or use of this transmission in error please notify the sender immediately and then delete this e-mail. E-mail transmission cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error free as information could be intercepted, corrupted lost, destroyed, arrive late or incomplete, or contain viruses. The sender therefore does not accept liability for any errors or omissions in the contents of this message which arise as a result of e-mail transmission. If verification is required please request a hard copy version. - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK & win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100&url=/ ___ BackupPC-users mailing list BackupPC-users@lists.sourceforge.net List:https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/backuppc-users Wiki:http://backuppc.wiki.sourceforge.net Project: http://backuppc.sourceforge.net/
Re: [BackupPC-users] REQUEST FOR ADVICE ON SUITABILITY OF BACKUPPC
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 SamK wrote: > This is an edited version of a previous post > Hi. > I am hoping to find some advice to assist in fulfilling the following wish > list. The LAN is operating OK and supports both Linux (Ubuntu) and Windows > (XP) clients. My questions relate only to BackupPC within this framework. > From research conducted it appears that some of the the wish list are > standard features of BackupPC. I am hoping that those which remain can be > achieved by appropriate configuration. > > SUMMARY of LAN > Primary Domain Controller Server > OS = Ubuntu 8.04 LTS Server Edition > Samba = 3.0.28a > Share = home for each user > Share = allusers (common area for all members of users group) > > BackupPC Server > OS = Ubuntu 8.04 LTS Server Edition > BackupPc = 3.0.0 (obtained from Ubuntu repository) > > WISH LIST > 01 Users not required to initiate backups > 02 Backup of each home and common area to be initiated from BackupPC Server > via schedule > 03 Users able to conduct restore via web interface > 04 Each user able to access and restore only their own home backup > 05 Every member of a common group able to access and restore a backup of a > common share > 06 Reliability of backup/restore higher priority than efficiency/speed > 07 Ease of use by end user of higher priority than security > 08 Ability for BackupPc administrative user to copy all backups to external > (removable) disks > > QUESTIONS > 01 Is the wish list achievable using BackupPC? > 02 Is anyone able to point to a 'how to' type guide to assist with this? > 03 Has any member of the forum any advice on how best to configure BackupPC > to meet the wish list? > 04 Any suggestions of alternative FOSS products if BackupPC is not a suitable > choice? It would appear from your goals that you do not wish to backup/restore the windows/linux client machines, you are only interested in backing up the server, and allowing the users to control restores as needed? You could do this by using rsync over ssh. or tar over ssh (probably the two easiest). Then, configure one "host" per user, and in this config set the machine alias to point to the real host name. Then configure the path to be backed up to only include the users home directory. I would also add a global backup for everything else outside of /home for the admin user only... Then, in the backuppc hosts file you can set each user + admin to have access to their own "host". Do the group share much the same, but list all users to have permission to manage this "host". Finally, you might want to set the number of concurrent backups quite low (1 or 2) since they really all point to the same machine, and you will just cause disk thrashing with higher numbers... I would suggest what you want can be done with backuppc, especially the goal for ease of use/etc. However, it might take a little effort to get it all working nicely, so once you actually take the plunge, read the documentation, and install the system, feel free to ask questions on the list to fix up the final trickier areas. Regards, Adam -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFJBeXdGyoxogrTyiURAsWKAKCJofc1vi3+/T20Mp570KkadbXezgCfSjAZ C7136OiM6vqqY71vM6EQX4o= =KhyM -END PGP SIGNATURE- - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK & win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100&url=/ ___ BackupPC-users mailing list BackupPC-users@lists.sourceforge.net List:https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/backuppc-users Wiki:http://backuppc.wiki.sourceforge.net Project: http://backuppc.sourceforge.net/
[BackupPC-users] REQUEST FOR ADVICE ON SUITABILITY OF BACKUPPC
This is an edited version of a previous post Hi. I am hoping to find some advice to assist in fulfilling the following wish list. The LAN is operating OK and supports both Linux (Ubuntu) and Windows (XP) clients. My questions relate only to BackupPC within this framework. From research conducted it appears that some of the the wish list are standard features of BackupPC. I am hoping that those which remain can be achieved by appropriate configuration. SUMMARY of LAN Primary Domain Controller Server OS = Ubuntu 8.04 LTS Server Edition Samba = 3.0.28a Share = home for each user Share = allusers (common area for all members of users group) BackupPC Server OS = Ubuntu 8.04 LTS Server Edition BackupPc = 3.0.0 (obtained from Ubuntu repository) WISH LIST 01 Users not required to initiate backups 02 Backup of each home and common area to be initiated from BackupPC Server via schedule 03 Users able to conduct restore via web interface 04 Each user able to access and restore only their own home backup 05 Every member of a common group able to access and restore a backup of a common share 06 Reliability of backup/restore higher priority than efficiency/speed 07 Ease of use by end user of higher priority than security 08 Ability for BackupPc administrative user to copy all backups to external (removable) disks QUESTIONS 01 Is the wish list achievable using BackupPC? 02 Is anyone able to point to a 'how to' type guide to assist with this? 03 Has any member of the forum any advice on how best to configure BackupPC to meet the wish list? 04 Any suggestions of alternative FOSS products if BackupPC is not a suitable choice? +-- |This was sent by [EMAIL PROTECTED] via Backup Central. |Forward SPAM to [EMAIL PROTECTED] +-- - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK & win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100&url=/ ___ BackupPC-users mailing list BackupPC-users@lists.sourceforge.net List:https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/backuppc-users Wiki:http://backuppc.wiki.sourceforge.net Project: http://backuppc.sourceforge.net/
