Re: [BackupPC-users] Thank you BackupPC!!!

2013-03-25 Thread Tyler J. Wagner
On 2013-03-25 02:53, Holger Parplies wrote:
 actually, don't. StrictHostKeyChecking is on by default for a good reason.
 Without it, you're vulnerable to MITM attacks,

Which in the case of SSH key authentication, means only that the data
crossing the SSH tunnel could be read. While that's bad, especially if
backing up /etc/shadow on an older server with md5 password hashes, it's
not nearly as dangerous as a MITM attack with password authentication.

Don't do it if you don't understand the risks. In this case, I think it's a
fair trade - convenience versus a very rare risk.

Regards,
Tyler

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Re: [BackupPC-users] Thank you BackupPC!!!

2013-03-24 Thread Holger Parplies
Hi,

[for the archives]

Tyler J. Wagner wrote on 2012-12-11 11:08:17 + [Re: [BackupPC-users] Thank 
you BackupPC!!!]:
 [...]
 Consider:
 
 root@venkman:~# cat /var/lib/backuppc/.ssh/config
 Protocol 2
 HashKnownHosts no
 StrictHostKeyChecking no

actually, don't. StrictHostKeyChecking is on by default for a good reason.
Without it, you're vulnerable to MITM attacks, like the message says, or in
the case of BackupPC even to substitution of your backup target. You
think it's ssh, but it isn't, unless you are certain that you are connecting
to the correct target. I've used 'StrictHostKeyChecking no'
myself, but only ever for a specific host (or config file entry) when I
know *in advance* that the key will be changing legitimately. The message
and the fact that ssh won't connect are a nuisance, and that's not
because the authors of the software like annoying people, it's because
it's crucial. The message doesn't mean hey, you should remember to update
your settings, it means this connection is insecure (or at least can be).
Once you get into the habit of taking security lightly, you won't treat it
seriously when you need to.

As for HashKnownHosts, what is the point of switching it off? Try
'ssh-keygen -R host' and 'ssh-keygen -R ip'. Then again, for the backuppc
user it's probably evident anyway to which hosts connections are
established, so there may not be much point in hashing known_hosts.

Regards,
Holger

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Re: [BackupPC-users] Thank you BackupPC!!!

2012-12-11 Thread Tyler J. Wagner
On 2012-12-11 03:39, Richard Shaw wrote:
 Well after getting the system up I went in and logged in as the
 backuppc user, killed the IP from known_hosts (since it generated a
 new rsa key on install) and did a ssh-copy-id (much easier then doing
 the key exchange by hand) an voila!

Consider:

root@venkman:~# cat /var/lib/backuppc/.ssh/config
Protocol 2
HashKnownHosts no
StrictHostKeyChecking no

 Went into the cgi interface and started a restore and it worked the
 first time 100%. About 19GB worth of pictures (and short movie clips
 recorded by the digital camera).

Fantastic! BackupPC has saved my butt many, many times. Not only will it
safe you from disaster, it acts as a great poor man's version control.

Regards,
Tyler

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