Re: [Bacula-users] Hard Disk Backup Question

[Jonas Björklund]

Hello,

On Mon, 1 May 2006, steven potvin wrote:


 i want to buy 4x 250 Gb Ide hardisks, and i want to use them as a  backup 
medium, and if i calculate the total gb to backup for all my  pcs, it adds up 
to be 820Gb, now what i was wondering is if one disk  gets full during a backup 
can bacula automatickly continue the rest of  the backup on the 2nd or third or 
forth disk.


Yes, if you have atleast one volume on every drive.


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RE: [Bacula-users] Backup to disk then tape

[James Harper]

> > So in short; I want backups on disk, then copy them to tape
> 
> Cutting to the chase on this:
> 
> Why?
> 

I can't speak for the original poster, but the value I can see in such a
product (depending on implementation) is:

. Allows very frequent incremental backups (hourly, depending on the
servers ability to cope with the extra load)
. Ability to restore to any given backup point, eg I spent the whole
morning working on a document, and then either (a) accidently deleted
it, or (b) the fileserver was sucked into a wormhole). There are
filesystem based solutions to (a), but not to (b).
. Depending on the implementation, the ability to aggregate the last
full backup with subsequent incremental backups to write a current
'virtual full' backup to tape.
. Alternatively to the above, the ability to write the full backup and
the incremental backups to tape to give you the 'restore to any backup
point' facility and keep the storage offline.

Just MHO though.

James




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RE: [Bacula-users] Hard Disk Backup Question

[James Harper]

> i want to buy 4x 250 Gb Ide hardisks, and i want to use them as a
backup
> medium, and if i calculate the total gb to backup for all my pcs, it
adds
> up to be 820Gb, now what i was wondering is if one disk gets full
during a
> backup can bacula automatickly continue the rest of the backup on the
2nd
> or third or forth disk.

LVM can aggregate a bunch of disks together in a way that would allow
you to add or remove disks at a later date without too much mucking
around. If one disk dies you may be able to recover some of it.

RAID0 (striping) will allow you to do the same thing but in such a way
that each 'unit' of data is spread across all disks, which is great for
performance as you get the throughput of the sum of (all things being
equal) the sum of the bandwidth of all disks. If one disk dies though,
consider your data gone. You may be able to configure LVM to stripe data
across disks like RAID0 does, but I'm not sure.
 
RAID5 works like RAID0 but you sacrifice the equivalent space of one
disk to be able to survive any one disk failing. In your case you'd need
an extra disk to be able to have the 820Gb you require. Performance is
not as good as RAID0 but still much better than LVM.

I believe there are tools around to be able to add a disk into a RAID0
and RAID5 array to increase its size.

If you have made the decision to only back up your data to disk, I would
recommend using some form of redundancy (eg RAID5).

James



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RE: [Bacula-users] backing up msexchange or mssql

[James Harper]

> ASCII ... binary ... whatever.
> 
> I _thought_ those files were ASCII, but it's not terribly important.
> What _is_ important is that the files represent a consistent view of
> the data in the database that can be backed up by normal file backup
> tools.

Sorry. I was probably being a bit pedantic :)

> > > And I guess my point to that was if you want to make a plugin to
> > backup
> > > MSSQL, it's got to get the transaction logs as well.
> >
> > I've been toying with this, and I'm almost to the point where the
> > director can query my agent and ask for an estimate of data to be
backed
> > up.
> >
> > The way this works is that when you issue the SQL command "BACKUP
LOG
> > xyzzy TO PIPE = '\\.\pipe\bacula6789'", MSSQL creates the named pipe
and
> > waits for the agent to connect to it. Once connected, MSSQL just
pumps
> > the data down until finished. This works for "BACKUP DATABASE" and
> > "BACKUP LOG" commands in just the same way, so there is little need
to
> > differentiate.
> 
> Cool.  I have a client I'm liable to migrate to Bacula some time this
> year.  I may come looking for your work when that happens.

Only at the testing stage at the moment, and I'm actually coding it in
C#. Not sure if that will be ideal ultimately, but it sure makes coding
easy :)

Most of our clients are Windows 'Small Business Server' users (no linux
on site), so previously I was thinking that to be able to recommend
Bacula to them I would need a win32 version of the director and storage
daemons.

But, if I can get an SQL and Exchange agent up and running, then I
should be able to put together a 'backup appliance' (eg Linux box) for
less (not counting the tape drive which needs to be purchased anyway)
than the cost of the Seagate Backup Exec software that we'd normally
recommend. Something to think about the future anyway.

Thanks

James



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Re: [Bacula-users] Make problem with libbac.a with FC5

[Paul Van Allsburg]

Ryan thanks, I stand corrected- I wasn't looking in the right mail
archives & google didn't come through.  The build by source doc's missed
on the 'make' step, but then a reinstall step(17) further on points out
the make, make install process(and I didn't pay attention to that
either!).  My last Bacula install was 1.36.2 using rpm's with suse 92,
that machine is still running bacula just fine with 440 days uptime...
Regards,   Paul  
p.s. the compile & install completed without a problem :)

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> install', as that problem IS in the list archives (about once a week
> lately it seems).
> 
> The resolution to that one is to run 'make' before 'make install', and
> I'm told that's actually in the docs too and that the most recent
> correspondent just missed it.
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> > Hi, 
> > I have a new install of FC5 with gcc, mysql & development tools,
> > I'm trying to compile with recommended configure options of 
> > CFLAGS="-g -Wall" ./configure \
> >   --prefix=/usr \
> >   --sbindir=/usr/sbin \
> >   --sysconfdir=/etc/bacula \
> >   --with-scriptdir=/etc/bacula \
> >   --enable-smartalloc \
> >   --enable-gnome \
> >   --with-mysql \
> >   --with-working-dir=/var/bacula \
> >   --with-pid-dir=/var/run \
> >   --with-subsys-dir=/var/lock/subsys \
> >   --enable-conio
> > 
> > the configure sets up fine but make install fails with these errors:
> > make[1]: *** No rule to make target `../findlib/libfind.a', needed by
> > `bacula-fd'.  Stop.
> > make[1]: *** No rule to make target `../lib/libbac.a', needed by
> > `bconsole'.  Stop.
> > make[1]: *** No rule to make target `../lib/libbac.a', needed by
> > `gnome-console'.  Stop.
> > make[1]: *** No rule to make target `../lib/libbac.a', needed by
> > `bacula-dir'.  Stop.
> > make[1]: *** No rule to make target `../lib/libbac.a', needed by
> > `bacula-sd'.  Stop.
> > make[1]: *** No rule to make target `../lib/libbac.a', needed by
> > `bsmtp'.  Stop.
> > 
> > I've checked mail archives and I do have ar & ranlib in the path, 
> > I have bacula-1.38.8 
> > 
> > Also,
> > the install doc says there is a source release file called
> > bacula-gui-1.38.0.tar.gz but I cant locate it.  I'll assume its within
> > the primary tarball, yes?
> > 
> > Thanks,
> > Paul Van Allsburg




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Re: [Bacula-users] Error in starting bacula-fd on client!

[Zakai Kinan]

Actually, things worked once I downgraded to 1.38.6.

ZK

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> On 1 May 2006 at 8:43, Zakai Kinan wrote:
> 
> > I attempted to start bacula using ./bacula start
> and
> > this command gave me the error below.  I installed
> the
> > client only on a redhat 9 box and it works just
> fine. 
> > The config.log has a couple of errors as well.  I
> > removed the comments; thus, the total size of the
> file
> > is less than 42 lines.
> 
> Well, we can't very well diagnose a file that is not
> the original...
> 
> > 
> > 
> > ZK  
> > 
> > --- Dan Langille <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > 
> > > On 30 Apr 2006 at 15:02, Zakai Kinan wrote:
> > > 
> > > > I just installed bacula 1.38.8 on a debian
> sarge
> > > 3.1
> > > > and now it will not start.  
> > > 
> > > What command did you use to start it?
> > > 
> > > > I get the following error:
> > > >  
> > > > 
> > > > zak:/etc/bacula# ./bacula start
> > > > Starting the Bacula File daemon
> > > > 30-Apr 17:49 bacula-fd: ERROR TERMINATION at
> > > > parse_conf.c:854
> > > > Config error: unexpected token 105
> > > T_UNQUOTED_STRING
> > > > in resource definition
> > > > : line 42, col 21 of file
> > > > /etc/bacula/bacula-fd.conf
> > > >   director backup-dir = all, !skipped,
> !restored
> > > 
> > > Are you sure the below is from
> > > /etc/bacula/bacula-fd.conf
> > > 
> > > Check the file name carefully.  The file shown
> below
> > > has no line 42.
> > > 
> > > > The information in the bacula-fd.conf on this
> > > client
> > > > is correct.  I was able to start this client
> after
> > > the
> > > > installation and now I can't start the daemon
> even
> > > if
> > > > I put it back to its original state.
> > > > 
> > > > bacula-fd.conf:
> > > > 
> > > > # List Directors who are permitted to contact
> this
> > > > File daemon
> > > > #
> > > > Director {
> > > >   Name = backup-dir
> > > >   Password = "X"
> > > > }
> > > > 
> > > > #
> > > > # Restricted Director, used by tray-monitor to
> get
> > > the
> > > > #   status of the file daemon
> > > > #
> > > > Director {
> > > >   Name = zak-mon
> > > >   Password = "X"
> > > >   Monitor = yes
> > > > }
> > > > 
> > > > #
> > > > # "Global" File daemon configuration
> > > specifications
> > > > #
> > > > FileDaemon {  # this
> is me
> > > >   Name = zak-fd
> > > >   FDport = 9102  # where we
> listen
> > > for
> > > > the director
> > > >   WorkingDirectory = /var/bacula/working
> > > >   Pid Directory = /var/run
> > > >   Maximum Concurrent Jobs = 20
> > > > }
> > > > 
> > > > # Send all messages except skipped files back
> to
> > > > Director
> > > > Messages {
> > > >   Name = Standard
> > > >   director backup-dir = all, !skipped,
> !restored
> > > > }
> > > > 
> > > > There is no parsing error that I can see. 
> This is
> > > a
> > > > very basic file.  This is a client only
> > > installation. 
> > > > I installed from source.
> > > 
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Re: [Bacula-users] Backup to disk then tape

[Bill Moran]

Alan Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Mon, 1 May 2006, Bill Moran wrote:
> 
> > How about our reasons for doing this:
> > 1) We need speedy restores, thus we have a 1T RAID5 array and backup
> >   to disk devices there.
> 
> I backup ~20Tb to LTO2. The tapes run almost as fast as most of the 
> disk arrays (MSA 1000 and Nexsan Atabeast)

I guess I didn't make my point.

The tapes are several orders of magnitude slower than disk.  The
time it takes to get them back onsite alone is too slow for most
recovery scenerios.

> > 2) We _must_ have offsite backups.  The RAID5 array is a bit heavy
> >   to carry around ... plus it can only be 1 place at a time.
> 
> That's tape-tape migration, OR job cloning - one set locally, one set 
> offsite.

OK.  Call it what you want.

> > Our desired solution is to back up to tape and disk simultaneously.
> > Thus we can take the tapes offsite, while still having fast, local
> > backups on the RAID5.
> 
> Sveral people have requested simultaneous backups for the same reason.
> Asking for D-D-T just obscures what you really want.

Can you please define these terms, then.  I'm fuzzy on what they mean:
1) simultaneous backups: ?
2) D-D-T: ?

We've been calling what we want "multiplexing"

> > I expect we're not the only people with such requirements.
> 
> Not at all, but 1Tb is a small amount of disk these days.

I suppose.  We don't expect it to stay that small, and we've got a limited
amount of time to shake the bugs out of the system before our backup
needs balloon.

> In any case, the functionality you need can probably be achieved 
> using bcopy on the backup sets - and given the small dataset you have, it 
> wouldn't take long.

You mean the utterly undocumented bcopy?  Or is there some other bcopy that
you're referring to?

I did do some experiments with bcopy, and wasn't happy with the results.
If I rememeber correctly, it required me to write a script that:
1) Knew which on-disk volume it needed to duplicate.
2) Was able to generate a label for the tape _prior_ to running bcopy.

While that's certainly possible, it's still far from "ready for general
consumption".  Quite frankly, I'm in the dark on how to do #1 reliably,
and #2 requires btape.  Starts to seem rather klunky.

If anyone has any pointers on how to accomplish #1 reliably, I'd love to
hear them.  Wouldn't upset me at all to find out that there's a simple
way to do this that I'm just not aware of.

> We achieve our data security with a large data safe(*), as the area is 
> geologically and politically stable, the only real worry is fire, in which 
> case instant restoral of service would be impossible anyway, even with 
> offsite storage.

Before the end of the year, we will require redundancy that can survive
major catastropies that are geographically localized.  IOW: if Pittsburgh
were to get hit with a nuclear warhead, our customers would expect us
to fail over to a second site.  Thus we need truely offsite backups.

As you mentioned, the _size_ of our data is small by comparison to many
other businesses, which is a blessing ...

> (*) http://www.phoenixsafe.com/en/viewproduct/4620.html - model 4623.
> 2+ hour fire resistance and designed to withstand a drop of 10 metres (in 
> case of floor collapse in multistory building). Ours is sitting on a 
> specially installed concrete pad and I wouldn't be surprised to find it 
> standing intact if the building was completely razed around it.

Very cool.  However, it wouldn't suit our needs.  As I mentioned, the unit
would _literally_ have to be nuclear warhead-proof.  Since nobody makes
such a unit, our DRP must include geographically dispersed redundancy.

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[Bacula-users] Got bacula-web working with just a few minor problems.

[Chuck Bunn]

Hi,

Okay got bacula-web working - way cool! - but I have a few minor 
issues... The images that show status (check marks etc.) are not showing 
(I know its a little thing but I just want it all working) I checked the 
httpd logs and I can see the 'Get' call for each of the images and there 
are no errors. Also if I right click on the damaged image symbol I can 
see the correct path reported and the images files are in the right 
location. I also - just for grins - set the rights on the images folder 
and images to wide open. I also changed the ownership to apache:apache 
but neither of these changes fixed the problem. Any suggestions would be 
greatly appreciated.


Thanks


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Re: [Bacula-users] Backup to disk then tape

[Alan Brown]

On Mon, 1 May 2006, John Gerritse wrote:


So in short; I want backups on disk, then copy them to tape


Cutting to the chase on this:

Why?

If it's for speed of restores, I have found that as long as the tape is in 
the changer then file/directory level restores only take about 5 minutes.


if it's for speed of backups, then a BIG spool and multiple simultaneous 
backups works well - allowing data to be sppoled to disk and then dumped 
to tape as fast as the tape can handle it.



I know there's a big push for D-D-T style backups, but looking into the 
purported reasons (primarily backup/restore speed) for deploying it has 
never made much sense to me over just having a $LARGE spooling area.


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Re: [Bacula-users] Backup to disk then tape

[Alan Brown]

On Mon, 1 May 2006, Bill Moran wrote:


How about our reasons for doing this:
1) We need speedy restores, thus we have a 1T RAID5 array and backup
  to disk devices there.


I backup ~20Tb to LTO2. The tapes run almost as fast as most of the 
disk arrays (MSA 1000 and Nexsan Atabeast)



2) We _must_ have offsite backups.  The RAID5 array is a bit heavy
  to carry around ... plus it can only be 1 place at a time.


That's tape-tape migration, OR job cloning - one set locally, one set 
offsite.



Our desired solution is to back up to tape and disk simultaneously.
Thus we can take the tapes offsite, while still having fast, local
backups on the RAID5.


Sveral people have requested simultaneous backups for the same reason.
Asking for D-D-T just obscures what you really want.


I expect we're not the only people with such requirements.


Not at all, but 1Tb is a small amount of disk these days.

In any case, the functionality you need can probably be achieved 
using bcopy on the backup sets - and given the small dataset you have, it 
wouldn't take long.



We achieve our data security with a large data safe(*), as the area is 
geologically and politically stable, the only real worry is fire, in which 
case instant restoral of service would be impossible anyway, even with 
offsite storage.



(*) http://www.phoenixsafe.com/en/viewproduct/4620.html - model 4623.
2+ hour fire resistance and designed to withstand a drop of 10 metres (in 
case of floor collapse in multistory building). Ours is sitting on a 
specially installed concrete pad and I wouldn't be surprised to find it 
standing intact if the building was completely razed around it.




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Re: [Bacula-users] Backup to disk then tape

[Bill Moran]

On Mon, 1 May 2006 22:32:17 +0100 (BST)
Alan Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Mon, 1 May 2006, John Gerritse wrote:
> 
> > So in short; I want backups on disk, then copy them to tape
> 
> Cutting to the chase on this:
> 
> Why?

How about our reasons for doing this:
1) We need speedy restores, thus we have a 1T RAID5 array and backup
   to disk devices there.
2) We _must_ have offsite backups.  The RAID5 array is a bit heavy
   to carry around ... plus it can only be 1 place at a time.

Our desired solution is to back up to tape and disk simultaneously.
Thus we can take the tapes offsite, while still having fast, local
backups on the RAID5.

I expect we're not the only people with such requirements.

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Re: [Bacula-users] Huge/slow index in MySQL

[Helmut Raubenheimer]

Hi

Christoph Haas schrieb:

What I wonder about:
- is a 2.4 dump file/database size common when backup up ~1 million files
  that sum up to ~50 GB? (file and job retention are 1 month while I run
  one full backup per week and an incremental daily)
My Dumpfile is about 2 GB (1,5 million files about 450 GB, 14 day 
retention).



- is InnoDB perhaps suited better than MyISAM?

I prefer innodb.
Stores data in tablespaces, that can be limited in size and thus can not 
 eat up all free space if autoextend is not configured.
Supports transactions, row-locking and caches data records (not just 
indexes as MyISAM-Tables). Although Bacula doesnt utilize that features.



- are there MySQL server parameters I could tune?

You could fine tune some parameters normally in /etc/my.cnf
Most times the default my.cnf is optimized for systems with little 
memory (up to 64 MB).

To improve performance you can increase various buffer sizes.
Depending on the used storage engine (myisam, innodb) there are 
different parameters. A good point to look at would be the example 
my.cnf files or the documentation of mysql.



Regards

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Re: [Bacula-users] Huge/slow index in MySQL

[Alan Brown]

On Mon, 1 May 2006, John Kodis wrote:


You have more CPU than I do, but only about half the memory.  Since
you say that the disks are thrashing, I'd guess that the lack of
memory is more likely to be the culprit than the difference in
databases.  There have, however, been some messages posted here
indicating that MySQL needs more attention to tuning when backing up
this many files than a similar Postgres installation does.


By way of comparison my systems were thrashing badly even with 2Gb of ram 
because mySQL wasn't using enough memory. Allowing it to grow to 1Gb ram 
solved it almost entirely.


Adjusting /etc/my.cnf is pretty much a necessity on large database 
systems, or mysql will make extensive use of temporary files and things 
can grind to a halt quickly. The default settings are only ok for 
small systems or for testing.


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Re: [Bacula-users] Hard Disk Backup Question

[Andreas Wilm]

steven potvin schrieb:
> hi,
>
> i want to buy 4x 250 Gb Ide hardisks, and i want to use them as a
> backup medium, and if i calculate the total gb to backup for all my
> pcs, it adds up to be 820Gb, now what i was wondering is if one disk
> gets full during a backup can bacula automatickly continue the rest of
> the backup on the 2nd or third or forth disk.
>
> thank you
>
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>
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you could create an LVM System (http://tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO/) and
build a "big disk " out of your  harddisks.

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[Bacula-users] Hard Disk Backup Question

[steven potvin]

hi,i want to buy 4x 250 Gb Ide hardisks, and i want to use them as a  backup medium, and if i calculate the total gb to backup for all my  pcs, it adds up to be 820Gb, now what i was wondering is if one disk  gets full during a backup can bacula automatickly continue the rest of  the backup on the 2nd or third or forth disk.thank youSteven  
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Re: [Bacula-users] tape drive recommendation

[Alan Brown]

On Sat, 29 Apr 2006, Mario Ohnewald wrote:


Hello List,

i am looking for a cheap IDE Tape drive which holds about 20GB
uncompressed data.


IDE tape drives tend to have problems operating with *nix systems.

Have you considered an external USB one?

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[Bacula-users] Director locking up

[Joshua Kugler]

Hmm...with no apparent change in my binaries or config files, I now have 
1.36.3 locking up on a regular basis.  A trackeback is below.  It seems 
thread five got something a bit messed up, but I am not sure what.  This is 
the version I compiled to -O0.  I want to move to 1.38.x very soon, but am 
still waiting for the bacula-fd DMG for Mac.  I might just compile a new 
version here.

Any ideas in the mean time?

j- k-

/usr/local/sbin/bacula-dir: No such file or directory.
Using host libthread_db library "/lib/tls/libthread_db.so.1".
[Thread debugging using libthread_db enabled]
[New Thread -1213032256 (LWP 8970)]
[New Thread -1255248976 (LWP 31479)]
[Thread debugging using libthread_db enabled]
[New Thread -1213032256 (LWP 8970)]
[New Thread -1255248976 (LWP 31479)]
[Thread debugging using libthread_db enabled]
[New Thread -1213032256 (LWP 8970)]
[New Thread -1255248976 (LWP 31479)]
[New Thread -1246659664 (LWP 17179)]
[New Thread -1238254672 (LWP 17177)]
[New Thread -1229861968 (LWP 17176)]
[New Thread -1221469264 (LWP 8975)]
[New Thread -1213076560 (LWP 8974)]
0xe410 in ?? ()
$1 = "herodotus-dir", '\0' 
$2 = 0x80cb020 "bacula-dir"
$3 = 0x80cb048 "/usr/local/bacula/sbin/"
$4 = "MySQL"
$5 = 0x80b8280 "1.36.3 (22 April 2005)"
$6 = 0x80b8297 "i686-redhat-linux-gnu"
$7 = 0x80b82ad "mandrake"
$8 = 0x80b82b6 "for"
#0  0xe410 in ?? ()
#1  0xb728 in ?? ()
#2  0x0002 in ?? ()
#3  0xb7ec50fe in __lll_mutex_lock_wait () from /lib/tls/libpthread.so.0

Thread 7 (Thread -1213076560 (LWP 8974)):
#0  0xe410 in ?? ()
#1  0xb7b1ea88 in ?? ()
#2  0x in ?? ()
#3  0xb7b1deb0 in ?? ()
#4  0xb7d56991 in select () from /lib/tls/libc.so.6
#5  0x080898cc in bnet_thread_server (addrs=0x80cb808, max_clients=10, 
client_wq=0x80c9f00, handle_client_request=0x8076442 
) at bnet_server.c:154
#6  0x08076335 in connect_thread (arg=0x80cb808) at ua_server.c:79
#7  0xb7ec0b3c in start_thread () from /lib/tls/libpthread.so.0
#8  0xb7d5d93a in clone () from /lib/tls/libc.so.6

Thread 6 (Thread -1221469264 (LWP 8975)):
#0  0xe410 in ?? ()
#1  0xb731da08 in ?? ()
#2  0x0002 in ?? ()
#3  0xb7ec50fe in __lll_mutex_lock_wait () from /lib/tls/libpthread.so.0

Thread 5 (Thread -1229861968 (LWP 17176)):
#0  0xe410 in ?? ()
#1  0xb6b1c9c8 in ?? ()
#2  0x0001 in ?? ()
#3  0xb7ec2b22 in pthread_cond_wait@@GLIBC_2.3.2 () 
from /lib/tls/libpthread.so.0
#4  0x0809814d in rwl_writelock (rwl=Cannot access memory at address 0x8
) at rwlock.c:231
/usr/local/bacula/scripts/btraceback.gdb:10: Error in sourced command file:
Previous frame inner to this frame (corrupt stack?)
#0  0xe410 in ?? ()

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Re: [Bacula-users] Error in starting bacula-fd on client!

[Dan Langille]

On 1 May 2006 at 8:43, Zakai Kinan wrote:

> I attempted to start bacula using ./bacula start and
> this command gave me the error below.  I installed the
> client only on a redhat 9 box and it works just fine. 
> The config.log has a couple of errors as well.  I
> removed the comments; thus, the total size of the file
> is less than 42 lines.

Well, we can't very well diagnose a file that is not the original...

> 
> 
> ZK  
> 
> --- Dan Langille <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > On 30 Apr 2006 at 15:02, Zakai Kinan wrote:
> > 
> > > I just installed bacula 1.38.8 on a debian sarge
> > 3.1
> > > and now it will not start.  
> > 
> > What command did you use to start it?
> > 
> > > I get the following error:
> > >  
> > > 
> > > zak:/etc/bacula# ./bacula start
> > > Starting the Bacula File daemon
> > > 30-Apr 17:49 bacula-fd: ERROR TERMINATION at
> > > parse_conf.c:854
> > > Config error: unexpected token 105
> > T_UNQUOTED_STRING
> > > in resource definition
> > > : line 42, col 21 of file
> > > /etc/bacula/bacula-fd.conf
> > >   director backup-dir = all, !skipped, !restored
> > 
> > Are you sure the below is from
> > /etc/bacula/bacula-fd.conf
> > 
> > Check the file name carefully.  The file shown below
> > has no line 42.
> > 
> > > The information in the bacula-fd.conf on this
> > client
> > > is correct.  I was able to start this client after
> > the
> > > installation and now I can't start the daemon even
> > if
> > > I put it back to its original state.
> > > 
> > > bacula-fd.conf:
> > > 
> > > # List Directors who are permitted to contact this
> > > File daemon
> > > #
> > > Director {
> > >   Name = backup-dir
> > >   Password = "X"
> > > }
> > > 
> > > #
> > > # Restricted Director, used by tray-monitor to get
> > the
> > > #   status of the file daemon
> > > #
> > > Director {
> > >   Name = zak-mon
> > >   Password = "X"
> > >   Monitor = yes
> > > }
> > > 
> > > #
> > > # "Global" File daemon configuration
> > specifications
> > > #
> > > FileDaemon {  # this is me
> > >   Name = zak-fd
> > >   FDport = 9102  # where we listen
> > for
> > > the director
> > >   WorkingDirectory = /var/bacula/working
> > >   Pid Directory = /var/run
> > >   Maximum Concurrent Jobs = 20
> > > }
> > > 
> > > # Send all messages except skipped files back to
> > > Director
> > > Messages {
> > >   Name = Standard
> > >   director backup-dir = all, !skipped, !restored
> > > }
> > > 
> > > There is no parsing error that I can see.  This is
> > a
> > > very basic file.  This is a client only
> > installation. 
> > > I installed from source.
> > 
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Re: [Bacula-users] Error in starting bacula-fd on client!

[Zakai Kinan]

I attempted to start bacula using ./bacula start and
this command gave me the error below.  I installed the
client only on a redhat 9 box and it works just fine. 
The config.log has a couple of errors as well.  I
removed the comments; thus, the total size of the file
is less than 42 lines.


ZK  

--- Dan Langille <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On 30 Apr 2006 at 15:02, Zakai Kinan wrote:
> 
> > I just installed bacula 1.38.8 on a debian sarge
> 3.1
> > and now it will not start.  
> 
> What command did you use to start it?
> 
> > I get the following error:
> >  
> > 
> > zak:/etc/bacula# ./bacula start
> > Starting the Bacula File daemon
> > 30-Apr 17:49 bacula-fd: ERROR TERMINATION at
> > parse_conf.c:854
> > Config error: unexpected token 105
> T_UNQUOTED_STRING
> > in resource definition
> > : line 42, col 21 of file
> > /etc/bacula/bacula-fd.conf
> >   director backup-dir = all, !skipped, !restored
> 
> Are you sure the below is from
> /etc/bacula/bacula-fd.conf
> 
> Check the file name carefully.  The file shown below
> has no line 42.
> 
> > The information in the bacula-fd.conf on this
> client
> > is correct.  I was able to start this client after
> the
> > installation and now I can't start the daemon even
> if
> > I put it back to its original state.
> > 
> > bacula-fd.conf:
> > 
> > # List Directors who are permitted to contact this
> > File daemon
> > #
> > Director {
> >   Name = backup-dir
> >   Password = "X"
> > }
> > 
> > #
> > # Restricted Director, used by tray-monitor to get
> the
> > #   status of the file daemon
> > #
> > Director {
> >   Name = zak-mon
> >   Password = "X"
> >   Monitor = yes
> > }
> > 
> > #
> > # "Global" File daemon configuration
> specifications
> > #
> > FileDaemon {  # this is me
> >   Name = zak-fd
> >   FDport = 9102  # where we listen
> for
> > the director
> >   WorkingDirectory = /var/bacula/working
> >   Pid Directory = /var/run
> >   Maximum Concurrent Jobs = 20
> > }
> > 
> > # Send all messages except skipped files back to
> > Director
> > Messages {
> >   Name = Standard
> >   director backup-dir = all, !skipped, !restored
> > }
> > 
> > There is no parsing error that I can see.  This is
> a
> > very basic file.  This is a client only
> installation. 
> > I installed from source.
> 
> cheers
> 
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Re: [Bacula-users] Huge/slow index in MySQL

[John Kodis]

On Mon, May 01, 2006 at 12:04:10PM +0200, Christoph Haas wrote:

> Now it's 12 hours after I started to restore the 2.4 GB dump file
> and MySQL still seems to be doing the "/*!4 ALTER TABLE `File`
> ENABLE KEYS */" part of the dump. The disk is trashing like fury
> while the database is creating the indices.

That seems a bit slow.  For comparison, I've loaded a Postgres dump of
a system with about a million files and several TB of data on a 2 GHz
PC in about an hour.  The time seems roughly the same whether I'm
reading a 3 GB ASCII dump, or the 1 GB binary equivalent.  

> It also appears that while running a backup the database is
> extremely busy leaving little computing power for the actual
> backup. The disks are common IDE disks running in a Pentium 4/2.4
> GHz with 512 MB RAM.

You have more CPU than I do, but only about half the memory.  Since
you say that the disks are thrashing, I'd guess that the lack of
memory is more likely to be the culprit than the difference in
databases.  There have, however, been some messages posted here
indicating that MySQL needs more attention to tuning when backing up
this many files than a similar Postgres installation does.

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Re: [Bacula-users] Make problem with libbac.a with FC5

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What is your make command? I'm assuming you're not running 'make
install', as that problem IS in the list archives (about once a week
lately it seems).

The resolution to that one is to run 'make' before 'make install', and
I'm told that's actually in the docs too and that the most recent
correspondent just missed it.

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Paul Van Allsburg wrote:
> Hi, 
> I have a new install of FC5 with gcc, mysql & development tools,
> I'm trying to compile with recommended configure options of 
> CFLAGS="-g -Wall" ./configure \
>   --prefix=/usr \
>   --sbindir=/usr/sbin \
>   --sysconfdir=/etc/bacula \
>   --with-scriptdir=/etc/bacula \
>   --enable-smartalloc \
>   --enable-gnome \
>   --with-mysql \
>   --with-working-dir=/var/bacula \
>   --with-pid-dir=/var/run \
>   --with-subsys-dir=/var/lock/subsys \
>   --enable-conio
> 
> the configure sets up fine but make install fails with these errors:
> make[1]: *** No rule to make target `../findlib/libfind.a', needed by
> `bacula-fd'.  Stop.
> make[1]: *** No rule to make target `../lib/libbac.a', needed by
> `bconsole'.  Stop.
> make[1]: *** No rule to make target `../lib/libbac.a', needed by
> `gnome-console'.  Stop.
> make[1]: *** No rule to make target `../lib/libbac.a', needed by
> `bacula-dir'.  Stop.
> make[1]: *** No rule to make target `../lib/libbac.a', needed by
> `bacula-sd'.  Stop.
> make[1]: *** No rule to make target `../lib/libbac.a', needed by
> `bsmtp'.  Stop.
> 
> I've checked mail archives and I do have ar & ranlib in the path, 
> I have bacula-1.38.8 
> 
> Also,
> the install doc says there is a source release file called
> bacula-gui-1.38.0.tar.gz but I cant locate it.  I'll assume its within
> the primary tarball, yes?
> 
> Thanks,
> Paul Van Allsburg
> 
> 
> 
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[Bacula-users] Write Errors on Restore

[Tom]

I'm attempting a restore and am receiving errors like this:

c:\cygwin\home\kern\bacula\k\src\win32\filed\../../filed/restore.c:540 
Write error on 
/tmp/bacula-restores/e/mail/Box/example.com/!m/!u/!c/mucipal/INBOX/CE808EF.MSG: 
The process cannot access the file because it is being used by another 
process.


The backups were done to filesystem only, no tapes involved.  The 
director version is 1.38.3 and the windows client is:

Version: 1.38.3 (04 January 2006)  VSS Windows 2000 MVS NT 5.0.2195

The client OS is Windows 2000 and VSS is not enabled for the fileset. 
Many of the files in this fileset produce this error, but many others 
don't.  I'm fairly certain these files aren't being accessed when the 
original backups took place, but that is possible.


A quick check shows that all the files were restored correctly, despite 
the error messages.  Why are these errors generated?  How can I fix 
that?  The files are restored correctly, but the errors are a little 
worrisome, at least at first.  Any help is appreciated.


Thanks,
Tom


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Re: [Bacula-users] Huge/slow index in MySQL

[Bill Moran]

On Mon, 1 May 2006 12:04:10 +0200
Christoph Haas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Evening,
> 
> I'm using MySQL (4.1) as an index storage with the default MyISAM table
> format. Unfortunately the partition holding the MySQL databases ran full
> and the database became corrupt. So I wanted to restore the mysqldump of
> the index from the day before.
> 
> Now it's 12 hours after I started to restore the 2.4 GB dump file and MySQL
> still seems to be doing the "/*!4 ALTER TABLE `File` ENABLE KEYS */"
> part of the dump. The disk is trashing like fury while the database is
> creating the indices.
> 
> What I wonder about:
> - is > 12 hours a common restore time for a 2.4 dump file?
> - is a 2.4 dump file/database size common when backup up ~1 million files
>   that sum up to ~50 GB? (file and job retention are 1 month while I run
>   one full backup per week and an incremental daily)
> - is InnoDB perhaps suited better than MyISAM?
> - are there MySQL server parameters I could tune?
> - are there better ways to restore the database than "mysql < dumpfile"?
> - is PostgreSQL (7.4.7) perhaps better suited?

This is far from a direct answer to your question, but you got me
thinking, so I ran some quick tests.

Our primary Bacula server has a 375M catalog.  This is PostgreSQL 8.1
on FreeBSD.  Just for kicks, I grabbed a dump of the catalog and timed
restoring it to the PostgreSQL 8.1 installation on my local computer.
It took 2m43s.  My desktop machine is FreeBSD 6.0, on a 3.2Ghz Intel
with HT enabled, 1G RAM and a single SATA 150 disk.

The restore was done in (more or less) the same manner you did:
psql -U pgsql template1 < bacula.dumpfile

Obviously, this is far from apples to apples.  I don't know exactly
what this says about your problem or how to solve it.  I doubt it's
even saying "use PostgreSQL instead of MySQL".  But it gives you some
data to compare yours to.

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Re: [Bacula-users] Backup to disk then tape

[John Boris]

John,
We do that here (Backup to disk and then to tape). We have just started
using Bacula but we us it to backup to tape. I use Microlite's
BackupEDGE to backup my remote Servers to disk on my main backup server.
I have a network that is only used by me over night so differentials at
night are a piece of cake. We have a long time invested in BackupEDGE on
our SCO Servers. Then during the day I use Bacula to backup my Server
that holds the nightly backups. This works fine for us.  I am not a
Bacula Guru but I think it would be just a matter of setting up
different jobs at the right interval to do what you want. 

As for restores here we would first look to the on disk differentials
to see if the required file is there. In case of a disaster here I would
have to make a site visit to rebuild things so I would have a tape on
site of the Master, then once the system is back online I would just
restore the last differential. If I had to go to a previous volume that
was no longer on Disk I would locate that volume in the tape library and
restore that volume to disk and then restore that to my system.  Before
we went to this we only kept the last thirty days of data anyway so this
provides us a longer recovery trail. I have had users delete something
and then ask me 45 days later if I still have the file. But in those
cases it was usually just a report format that could be recreated in
less time than it takes to restore the file.


John J. Boris, Sr.
JEN-A-SyS Administrator
Archdiocese of Philadelphia

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>>> John Gerritse <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 05/01/06 3:11 AM >>>
Hi all,

I work in a ICT company and we are looking to replace Amanda. I figured

Bacula would be te best solution, but we hit a snag.

A feature my boss feels is paramount to a back-up package is write the

data to disk, then to tape. Bacula does that in a way, but "data 
spooling" does only that; spooling. I need it to write to disk, then 
copy or migrate the data to tape. According to the documentation, that

is a feature planned for the future. Unfortunately, I need it now.

I've considered simply backing data up to disk volumes, then copy that

to tape by other means, but I'm puzzled how a restore would work in
that 
sort of situation.

Is there a workaround someone has successfully used in the field, on 
production servers? Hating to have to reinvent a proverbial wheel, I 
figured I'd ask the community. I really love Bacula and I would love to

use it in stead of giving Amanda a version bump and a fresh install on

our shiny new backup server.

So in short; I want backups on disk, then copy them to tape (with 
Bacula, other backup software, commandline script, whatever). We run a

schedule much like the one explained in the manual ("a daily, weekly, 
monthly tape usage example").

Thanks in advance!


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Re: [Bacula-users] backing up msexchange or mssql

[Bill Moran]

On Mon, 1 May 2006 11:48:55 +1000
"James Harper" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> > > Not sure where you're coming from here so my answer may not match
> the
> > > intent of your question.
> > 
> > I guess my point was simply that backing up transaction logs is an
> > important part of MSSQL, and generally involves dumping them to ASCII
> (?)
> > files as well, then doing a second step to get them off to archival
> > media.
> 
> I would always use MSSQL backups (eg 'BACKUP LOG xyzzy TO
> backupdevice'), which stores things in a binary file. I'm not sure that
> there is a way to get an ASCII (I assume you mean plain text)
> representation of the transaction logs, or why you would want to.

ASCII ... binary ... whatever.

I _thought_ those files were ASCII, but it's not terribly important.
What _is_ important is that the files represent a consistent view of
the data in the database that can be backed up by normal file backup
tools.

> > And I guess my point to that was if you want to make a plugin to
> backup
> > MSSQL, it's got to get the transaction logs as well.
> 
> I've been toying with this, and I'm almost to the point where the
> director can query my agent and ask for an estimate of data to be backed
> up.
> 
> The way this works is that when you issue the SQL command "BACKUP LOG
> xyzzy TO PIPE = '\\.\pipe\bacula6789'", MSSQL creates the named pipe and
> waits for the agent to connect to it. Once connected, MSSQL just pumps
> the data down until finished. This works for "BACKUP DATABASE" and
> "BACKUP LOG" commands in just the same way, so there is little need to
> differentiate.

Cool.  I have a client I'm liable to migrate to Bacula some time this
year.  I may come looking for your work when that happens.

> > > I always do full backups where possible, but in the case of an
> > > incremental backup, you would do the full database backup at the
> start
> > > of the backup cycle (eg Monday), and then only the transaction logs
> for
> > > the remainder of the backup cycle. My mistrust of tapes (bordering
> on
> > > superstitious :) leads me to believe that a full nightly backup is
> the
> > > only way to go, otherwise you are pinning the ability to do a useful
> > > restore on more than one tape.
> > 
> > Agreed.  I have a few clients where the amount of data they have to
> back
> > up is small enough that (IMHO) it's practical to do a full backup
> every
> > time.  In such a case, I figure it's smarter than dealing with
> > incrementals, where things can sometimes go wrong.
> 
> The MSSQL databases of our clients wouldn't be larger than 10-20gb,
> Exchange databases would be under 30gb, and total ordinary files would
> be no larger than 200-300gb (often much less), so a 200/400gb LTO drive
> is plenty big enough for most and still cheap enough to be used in
> preference to incremental backups. Our recommendation (and most clients
> follow it) is to have a set of 4 tapes for Monday to Thursday backups, 5
> tapes for Friday backups, and to take a tape out of the set and archive
> it at significant dates (per quarter, each financial year, etc depending
> on the client and their records keeping needs). This is using Seagate
> Backup Exec though, 
> 
> Do you have a rule of thumb for the point at which you would say "this
> is too much data, lets do it incrementally"?

Nothing hard and fast.  It's always been a matter of gauging the time
and the space.  I guess my rule is if the backup can be done in the
time alloted, and fill a single tape, then it's worth doing a full
every time.  Time alloted changes for each client, most folks you can
run the backup all night, but some people have second shift or other
scheduled maintenance that I try to work around, thus reducing the
time allotment.  Another thing I take into account is that some folks
don't have a full-time sysadmin.  If a scheduled backup(s) fail for
any reason, they may not notice it for some time, and the incrementals
might become useless.  That's another argument in favor of nightly
full backups.

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[Bacula-users] Huge/slow index in MySQL

[Christoph Haas]

Evening,

I'm using MySQL (4.1) as an index storage with the default MyISAM table
format. Unfortunately the partition holding the MySQL databases ran full
and the database became corrupt. So I wanted to restore the mysqldump of
the index from the day before.

Now it's 12 hours after I started to restore the 2.4 GB dump file and MySQL
still seems to be doing the "/*!4 ALTER TABLE `File` ENABLE KEYS */"
part of the dump. The disk is trashing like fury while the database is
creating the indices.

What I wonder about:
- is > 12 hours a common restore time for a 2.4 dump file?
- is a 2.4 dump file/database size common when backup up ~1 million files
  that sum up to ~50 GB? (file and job retention are 1 month while I run
  one full backup per week and an incremental daily)
- is InnoDB perhaps suited better than MyISAM?
- are there MySQL server parameters I could tune?
- are there better ways to restore the database than "mysql < dumpfile"?
- is PostgreSQL (7.4.7) perhaps better suited?

It also appears that while running a backup the database is extremely busy
leaving little computing power for the actual backup. The disks are common
IDE disks running in a Pentium 4/2.4 GHz with 512 MB RAM.

I'm a bit worried about the scalability because this is just a single
file server I use for mainly private use plus a little development. How do
people operate Bacula and MySQL in really large environments?

Another non-related question that came to my mind: can I assign certain
network clients a certain "bacula client" to restore? Currently every
client can choose from the list of all clients for restoration. And while
I was asked to include further workstations in the backup I worry that they
could be restoring files I don't want them to get access to.

Kindly
 Christoph


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Re: [Bacula-users] Bacula SD using >250MB RAM?

[Dominic Marks]

Kern Sibbald wrote:

On Monday 01 May 2006 10:00, Dominic Marks wrote:

Kern Sibbald wrote:

On Monday 01 May 2006 00:41, Dominic Marks wrote:

 From top:

PID   USERNAME THR PRI NICE  SIZE  RES STATETIME   WCPU COMMAND
28233 bacula 3  200  269M 265M kserel 173:54  0.00% bacula-sd

I just noticed this on one of our Bacula servers. Curious since the SD
shouldn't be using much memory at all from what I know of it.

OS is FreeBSD 6.1-RC.

Yes, but much more important is what version of Bacula are you using?

Latest, 1.38.8.


OK, in previous versions it was remotely possible that could happen in some 
bizarre cases, but in 1.38.x Bacula does a garbage collection once a day 
releasing unused pooled buffers, so it shouldn't happen.


I'd recommend that you ensure that the line #define DEVELOPER 1 is not 
commented out in the file src/version.h, then rebuild and reinstall your 
binaries.  When you run them, redirect output to some log file somewhere, and 
then if you notice large memory usage, simply stop the daemon and see what is 
printed in the output.  If there is nothing, then the problem is not with 
Bacula as *all* Bacula's memory using is tracked and reported if it is not 
released when the daemon stops.  In that case, the problem will be in one of 
the libraries linked in -- e.g. sqlite, or the MySQL or PostgreSQL client 
libraries.


Ok, I'll keep an eye on it.

Thanks Kern.

Dominic


Thanks,
Dominic


After restarting the SD I am back to the more reasonable:

60159 bacula3   20   0  4364K 2212K kserel  0:00  0.00% bacula-sd

Presumably this is being caused by a memory leak somewhere. Anyone else
on FreeBSD observed this occuring?

Cheers,
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Re: [Bacula-users] bacula-web: is it normal for index.php to be blank if there are no jobs set up.

[Cedric Tefft]

Chuck Bunn wrote:


Hi Cedric,

Thanks for responding. I looked at my logs and it looks like there are 
a lot of issues. The README says nothing about LDAP or rights and 
ownership on directories under bacula-web. Is there a document 
somewhere that can guide me to do what is necessary to get this 
running. I changed ownership on templates_c to apache:apache but this 
still didn't fix the problem. At least there is progress, now the 
screen shows "Error querry: 4". Here is my log:


[client 192.168.1.37] PHP Fatal error:  Smarty error: unable to write 
to $compile_dir '/var/www/html/bacula-web/templates_c'. Be sure 
$compile_dir is writable by the web server user. in 
/var/www/html/bacula-web/external_packages/smarty/Smarty.class.php on 
line 1088



Well, the bacula-web manual is posted on bacula web site:

http://www.bacula.org/bacula-web/index.html

I didn't see any mention of file system permissions there either, but 
then again, the error message itself kinda tells you what to do.  As for 
LDAP, I think those messages are generated by Apache for reasons 
unrelated to bacula-web.




I cleared the log after changing rights on 'templates_c' and I now get 
the following after accessing the page:


[EMAIL PROTECTED] httpd]# > /var/log/httpd/error_log
[EMAIL PROTECTED] httpd]# cat error_log
[client 127.0.0.1] PHP Notice:  Use of undefined constant phptype - 
assumed 'phptype' in /var/www/html/bacula-web/classes.inc on line 82

ANy ideas on what to do next??


I have this message in my error log as well, but it works anyway, so I 
guess it's not fatal (you'll notice it's a NOTICE, not an error).  The 
only other things I can suggest are


1) Read the manual
2) Make sure you've got the latest public release which is apparently 
here: 
http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/bacula/bacula-gui-1.38.5.tar.gz?download


- Cedric





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Re: [Bacula-users] Backup to disk then tape

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On Monday 01 May 2006 10:11, John Gerritse wrote:
> Great! Thanks for the quick reply.
>
> I'm looking forward to the new release that will include "migration".
> Is there a workaround, so we can use Bacula anyway until the new feature
>   is implemented?

I don't think so, but it depends on what you are trying to do. It would be 
best to ask the list if they have any suggestions. My setup is rather simple 
so I don't use this kind of feature.

>
> Kind regards,
>
> John
>
> Kern Sibbald wrote:
> > On Monday 01 May 2006 09:11, John Gerritse wrote:
> >>Hi all,
> >>
> >>I work in a ICT company and we are looking to replace Amanda. I figured
> >>Bacula would be te best solution, but we hit a snag.
> >>
> >>A feature my boss feels is paramount to a back-up package is write the
> >>data to disk, then to tape. Bacula does that in a way, but "data
> >>spooling" does only that; spooling. I need it to write to disk, then
> >>copy or migrate the data to tape. According to the documentation, that
> >>is a feature planned for the future. Unfortunately, I need it now.
> >>
> >>I've considered simply backing data up to disk volumes, then copy that
> >>to tape by other means, but I'm puzzled how a restore would work in that
> >>sort of situation.
> >>
> >>Is there a workaround someone has successfully used in the field, on
> >>production servers? Hating to have to reinvent a proverbial wheel, I
> >>figured I'd ask the community. I really love Bacula and I would love to
> >>use it in stead of giving Amanda a version bump and a fresh install on
> >>our shiny new backup server.
> >>
> >>So in short; I want backups on disk, then copy them to tape (with
> >>Bacula, other backup software, commandline script, whatever). We run a
> >>schedule much like the one explained in the manual ("a daily, weekly,
> >>monthly tape usage example").
> >>
> >>Thanks in advance!
> >
> > In Bacula terminology what you want is called Migration.  I am currently
> > working on it and expected to have it mostly completed by now, however I
> > am running a bit behind (see the email I will send later today for more
> > details).  The basics of the feature are  working in the development
> > code, but it will be several months before it is complete and ready for
> > release.  I had originally planed the release for June-July, but it is
> > now looking like August ...
> >
> >>  John Gerritse
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Re: [Bacula-users] Bacula SD using >250MB RAM?

[Kern Sibbald]

On Monday 01 May 2006 10:00, Dominic Marks wrote:
> Kern Sibbald wrote:
> > On Monday 01 May 2006 00:41, Dominic Marks wrote:
> >>  From top:
> >>
> >> PID   USERNAME THR PRI NICE  SIZE  RES STATETIME   WCPU COMMAND
> >> 28233 bacula 3  200  269M 265M kserel 173:54  0.00% bacula-sd
> >>
> >> I just noticed this on one of our Bacula servers. Curious since the SD
> >> shouldn't be using much memory at all from what I know of it.
> >>
> >> OS is FreeBSD 6.1-RC.
> >
> > Yes, but much more important is what version of Bacula are you using?
>
> Latest, 1.38.8.

OK, in previous versions it was remotely possible that could happen in some 
bizarre cases, but in 1.38.x Bacula does a garbage collection once a day 
releasing unused pooled buffers, so it shouldn't happen.

I'd recommend that you ensure that the line #define DEVELOPER 1 is not 
commented out in the file src/version.h, then rebuild and reinstall your 
binaries.  When you run them, redirect output to some log file somewhere, and 
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printed in the output.  If there is nothing, then the problem is not with 
Bacula as *all* Bacula's memory using is tracked and reported if it is not 
released when the daemon stops.  In that case, the problem will be in one of 
the libraries linked in -- e.g. sqlite, or the MySQL or PostgreSQL client 
libraries.

>
> Thanks,
> Dominic
>
> >> After restarting the SD I am back to the more reasonable:
> >>
> >> 60159 bacula3   20   0  4364K 2212K kserel  0:00  0.00% bacula-sd
> >>
> >> Presumably this is being caused by a memory leak somewhere. Anyone else
> >> on FreeBSD observed this occuring?
> >>
> >> Cheers,
> >> Dominic
> >>
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Re: [Bacula-users] Backup to disk then tape

[Kern Sibbald]

On Monday 01 May 2006 09:11, John Gerritse wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I work in a ICT company and we are looking to replace Amanda. I figured
> Bacula would be te best solution, but we hit a snag.
>
> A feature my boss feels is paramount to a back-up package is write the
> data to disk, then to tape. Bacula does that in a way, but "data
> spooling" does only that; spooling. I need it to write to disk, then
> copy or migrate the data to tape. According to the documentation, that
> is a feature planned for the future. Unfortunately, I need it now.
>
> I've considered simply backing data up to disk volumes, then copy that
> to tape by other means, but I'm puzzled how a restore would work in that
> sort of situation.
>
> Is there a workaround someone has successfully used in the field, on
> production servers? Hating to have to reinvent a proverbial wheel, I
> figured I'd ask the community. I really love Bacula and I would love to
> use it in stead of giving Amanda a version bump and a fresh install on
> our shiny new backup server.
>
> So in short; I want backups on disk, then copy them to tape (with
> Bacula, other backup software, commandline script, whatever). We run a
> schedule much like the one explained in the manual ("a daily, weekly,
> monthly tape usage example").
>
> Thanks in advance!

In Bacula terminology what you want is called Migration.  I am currently 
working on it and expected to have it mostly completed by now, however I am 
running a bit behind (see the email I will send later today for more 
details).  The basics of the feature are  working in the development code, 
but it will be several months before it is complete and ready for release.  I 
had originally planed the release for June-July, but it is now looking like 
August ...

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Re: [Bacula-users] Bacula SD using >250MB RAM?

[Dominic Marks]

Kern Sibbald wrote:

On Monday 01 May 2006 00:41, Dominic Marks wrote:

 From top:

PID   USERNAME THR PRI NICE  SIZE  RES STATETIME   WCPU COMMAND
28233 bacula 3  200  269M 265M kserel 173:54  0.00% bacula-sd

I just noticed this on one of our Bacula servers. Curious since the SD
shouldn't be using much memory at all from what I know of it.

OS is FreeBSD 6.1-RC.


Yes, but much more important is what version of Bacula are you using?


Latest, 1.38.8.

Thanks,
Dominic


After restarting the SD I am back to the more reasonable:

60159 bacula3   20   0  4364K 2212K kserel  0:00  0.00% bacula-sd

Presumably this is being caused by a memory leak somewhere. Anyone else
on FreeBSD observed this occuring?

Cheers,
Dominic


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Re: [Bacula-users] Bacula SD using >250MB RAM?

[Kern Sibbald]

On Monday 01 May 2006 00:41, Dominic Marks wrote:
>  From top:
>
> PID   USERNAME THR PRI NICE  SIZE  RES STATETIME   WCPU COMMAND
> 28233 bacula 3  200  269M 265M kserel 173:54  0.00% bacula-sd
>
> I just noticed this on one of our Bacula servers. Curious since the SD
> shouldn't be using much memory at all from what I know of it.
>
> OS is FreeBSD 6.1-RC.

Yes, but much more important is what version of Bacula are you using?

>
> After restarting the SD I am back to the more reasonable:
>
> 60159 bacula3   20   0  4364K 2212K kserel  0:00  0.00% bacula-sd
>
> Presumably this is being caused by a memory leak somewhere. Anyone else
> on FreeBSD observed this occuring?
>
> Cheers,
> Dominic
>
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Re: [Bacula-users] Bacula SD using >250MB RAM?

[Dominic Marks]

Brian A. Seklecki wrote:

bacula3   20   0  4364K 2212K kserel  0:00  0.00% bacula-sd

Presumably this is being caused by a memory leak somewhere. Anyone else


Dom:  You should watch the process in real-time and determine if the
usage grows during backup job activity or if it is slowly growing over
time.  


ktrace(8)/kdump(8) can be insightful if the latter is the case  .


Thanks,

I'll look into this on Tuesday.

Dominic




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[Bacula-users] Backup to disk then tape

[John Gerritse]

Hi all,

I work in a ICT company and we are looking to replace Amanda. I figured 
Bacula would be te best solution, but we hit a snag.


A feature my boss feels is paramount to a back-up package is write the 
data to disk, then to tape. Bacula does that in a way, but "data 
spooling" does only that; spooling. I need it to write to disk, then 
copy or migrate the data to tape. According to the documentation, that 
is a feature planned for the future. Unfortunately, I need it now.


I've considered simply backing data up to disk volumes, then copy that 
to tape by other means, but I'm puzzled how a restore would work in that 
sort of situation.


Is there a workaround someone has successfully used in the field, on 
production servers? Hating to have to reinvent a proverbial wheel, I 
figured I'd ask the community. I really love Bacula and I would love to 
use it in stead of giving Amanda a version bump and a fresh install on 
our shiny new backup server.


So in short; I want backups on disk, then copy them to tape (with 
Bacula, other backup software, commandline script, whatever). We run a 
schedule much like the one explained in the manual ("a daily, weekly, 
monthly tape usage example").


Thanks in advance!


 John Gerritse
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