Re: [Bacula-users] Bacula and Day saving time
On 2007.10.30. 21:53, Arno Lehmann wrote: ... That said, I'd expect Bacula will skip the backup, given its behavior in this case. One way to solve this problem, I guess, would be to never start backups between 2 and 3 AM. yup. Very reasonable, but IIRC a better solution was implemented in Bacula, probably since 2.0. I couldn't find this with a grep in ReleaseNotes, but I recall that being discussed a year or two ago on the mailing lists. good to hear. if anybody knows more, it would be very nice to have this behaviour clearly documented. so, is there some dst intelligence in latest versions of bacula ? if not, maybe a comment, warning about this should be added to default configuration file schedules :) No, they weren't, but depending on where you live, there was no problem this weekend. :) See above - I believe there is the necessary intelligence in Bacula. Arno How do other packages handle this? I believe cron is one of the more intelligent programs when dealing with this. Perhaps anacron? depends (c) if i remember correctly, vixie cron was doing all kinds of automagic detection, dcron was leaving this all up to the admin. most important thing - having this all well documented, -- Rich - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now http://get.splunk.com/ ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
Re: [Bacula-users] Bacula and Day saving time]
Czech Republic belongs to European Union and DST law is unified for whole Europe (may be except Albania). May be it is different from US law. However my system (debian linux) had no problem switching to DST because it is often updated and internal time is UTC. My question was, what would bacula do on spring time change, when some time is skipped and whether the newer bacula (2.0 or newer) will deal with it better. Marek Arno Lehmann napsal(a): Hi, 30.10.2007 19:50,, Ryan Novosielski wrote:: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Rich wrote: On 2007.10.30. 17:51, Chris Hoogendyk wrote: Ryan Novosielski wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 ... That said, I'd expect Bacula will skip the backup, given its behavior in this case. One way to solve this problem, I guess, would be to never start backups between 2 and 3 AM. yup. Very reasonable, but IIRC a better solution was implemented in Bacula, probably since 2.0. I couldn't find this with a grep in ReleaseNotes, but I recall that being discussed a year or two ago on the mailing lists. so, is there some dst intelligence in latest versions of bacula ? if not, maybe a comment, warning about this should be added to default configuration file schedules :) No, they weren't, but depending on where you live, there was no problem this weekend. :) See above - I believe there is the necessary intelligence in Bacula. Arno How do other packages handle this? I believe cron is one of the more intelligent programs when dealing with this. Perhaps anacron? - -- _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ |Y#| | | |\/| | \ |\ | | |Ryan Novosielski - Systems Programmer II |$| |__| | | |__/ | \| _| |[EMAIL PROTECTED] - 973/972.0922 (2-0922) \__/ Univ. of Med. and Dent.|IST/AST - NJMS Medical Science Bldg - C630 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHJ3zymb+gadEcsb4RAppeAKCy8pvA0Uc6F61TQ36PtFRTE7LJXwCglT4e Xsq/OJClCggdKmoocewgtZc= =QHwu -END PGP SIGNATURE- - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now http://get.splunk.com/ ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now http://get.splunk.com/ ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
Re: [Bacula-users] Bacula and Day saving time
I wanted to point out that I experienced this problem with a windows client which had a 40+ minute time difference. The director synchronized the file daemons clock and the job was executed twice. This was with version 2.0.3 director/storage and version 2.0 of the file daemon. Sincerely, -Michael - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now http://get.splunk.com/ ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
[Bacula-users] Bacula and Day saving time
Hi all, I have my bacula (1.38.11) set up to start certain Job on Sunday 2:05. On 28th October the Daylight saving time was ended and time between 2am and 3am has repeated (like in Red Dwarf :-) ). The backup has started twice (and the second run has stuck waiting for a volume). What would happen on first day of daylight saving time, when time between 2 and 3 am is skipped? Marek - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now http://get.splunk.com/ ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
Re: [Bacula-users] Bacula and Day saving time
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Are you certain that the DST dates did not move in your area? I'm not sure which zones expanded DST and which did not. I realize that is not your question, but it is something I wanted to mention, since my timezone does not switch until Nov 4th. That said, I'd expect Bacula will skip the backup, given its behavior in this case. One way to solve this problem, I guess, would be to never start backups between 2 and 3 AM. Marek Simon wrote: Hi all, I have my bacula (1.38.11) set up to start certain Job on Sunday 2:05. On 28th October the Daylight saving time was ended and time between 2am and 3am has repeated (like in Red Dwarf :-) ). The backup has started twice (and the second run has stuck waiting for a volume). What would happen on first day of daylight saving time, when time between 2 and 3 am is skipped? Marek - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now http://get.splunk.com/ ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users - -- _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ |Y#| | | |\/| | \ |\ | | |Ryan Novosielski - Systems Programmer II |$| |__| | | |__/ | \| _| |[EMAIL PROTECTED] - 973/972.0922 (2-0922) \__/ Univ. of Med. and Dent.|IST/AST - NJMS Medical Science Bldg - C630 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHJ0ctmb+gadEcsb4RAvskAKDYNwtZlaCgFs3Zf9PyJVK0nMjgDACeK3l7 kvOLiUUc9ySR9T51oDXve3A= =vxG4 -END PGP SIGNATURE- begin:vcard fn:Ryan Novosielski n:Novosielski;Ryan org:UMDNJ;IST/AST adr;dom:MSB C630;;185 South Orange Avenue;Newark;NJ;07103 email;internet:[EMAIL PROTECTED] title:Systems Programmer III tel;work:(973) 972-0922 tel;fax:(973) 972-7412 tel;pager:(866) 20-UMDNJ x-mozilla-html:FALSE version:2.1 end:vcard - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now http://get.splunk.com/___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
Re: [Bacula-users] Bacula and Day saving time
Ryan Novosielski wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Are you certain that the DST dates did not move in your area? I'm not sure which zones expanded DST and which did not. I realize that is not your question, but it is something I wanted to mention, since my timezone does not switch until Nov 4th. That said, I'd expect Bacula will skip the backup, given its behavior in this case. One way to solve this problem, I guess, would be to never start backups between 2 and 3 AM. yup. Daylight Savings time laws changed affective spring 2007 in the U.S. and Australia. I have no clue about the Czech Republic or others. There were patches to be applied according to your operating system. I applied Solaris 9 patches. Mac OS X and Windows systems got theirs by automatic updates. One of our labs had an older Sun OS 5.6 system for which there were no patches. After messing with it for a while, they finally punted and said it didn't really matter. So, if you have a server that was not patched this year, and you are in a jurisdiction where it matters, it's worth checking into. It will bite you twice a year until you patch it. I'll be checking all my crontabs to make sure I don't have anything between 2 and 3am that might be affected. --- Chris Hoogendyk - O__ Systems Administrator c/ /'_ --- Biology Geology Departments (*) \(*) -- 140 Morrill Science Center ~~ - University of Massachusetts, Amherst [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Erdös 4 - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now http://get.splunk.com/ ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
Re: [Bacula-users] Bacula and Day saving time
On 2007.10.30. 17:51, Chris Hoogendyk wrote: Ryan Novosielski wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Are you certain that the DST dates did not move in your area? I'm not sure which zones expanded DST and which did not. I realize that is not your question, but it is something I wanted to mention, since my timezone does not switch until Nov 4th. That said, I'd expect Bacula will skip the backup, given its behavior in this case. One way to solve this problem, I guess, would be to never start backups between 2 and 3 AM. yup. Daylight Savings time laws changed affective spring 2007 in the U.S. and Australia. I have no clue about the Czech Republic or others. There were patches to be applied according to your operating system. I applied Solaris 9 patches. Mac OS X and Windows systems got theirs by automatic updates. One of our labs had an older Sun OS 5.6 system for which there were no patches. After messing with it for a while, they finally punted and said it didn't really matter. ... i don't think timezone changes was the question here :) actual question would be - how does bacula actually handle these times. i also had one job executed twice, but given that it's still 1.36, i didn't bother much. so, is there some dst intelligence in latest versions of bacula ? if not, maybe a comment, warning about this should be added to default configuration file schedules :) -- Rich - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now http://get.splunk.com/ ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
Re: [Bacula-users] Bacula and Day saving time
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Rich wrote: On 2007.10.30. 17:51, Chris Hoogendyk wrote: Ryan Novosielski wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Are you certain that the DST dates did not move in your area? I'm not sure which zones expanded DST and which did not. I realize that is not your question, but it is something I wanted to mention, since my timezone does not switch until Nov 4th. That said, I'd expect Bacula will skip the backup, given its behavior in this case. One way to solve this problem, I guess, would be to never start backups between 2 and 3 AM. yup. Daylight Savings time laws changed affective spring 2007 in the U.S. and Australia. I have no clue about the Czech Republic or others. There were patches to be applied according to your operating system. I applied Solaris 9 patches. Mac OS X and Windows systems got theirs by automatic updates. One of our labs had an older Sun OS 5.6 system for which there were no patches. After messing with it for a while, they finally punted and said it didn't really matter. ... i don't think timezone changes was the question here :) actual question would be - how does bacula actually handle these times. i also had one job executed twice, but given that it's still 1.36, i didn't bother much. so, is there some dst intelligence in latest versions of bacula ? if not, maybe a comment, warning about this should be added to default configuration file schedules :) No, they weren't, but depending on where you live, there was no problem this weekend. :) How do other packages handle this? I believe cron is one of the more intelligent programs when dealing with this. Perhaps anacron? - -- _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ |Y#| | | |\/| | \ |\ | | |Ryan Novosielski - Systems Programmer II |$| |__| | | |__/ | \| _| |[EMAIL PROTECTED] - 973/972.0922 (2-0922) \__/ Univ. of Med. and Dent.|IST/AST - NJMS Medical Science Bldg - C630 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHJ3zymb+gadEcsb4RAppeAKCy8pvA0Uc6F61TQ36PtFRTE7LJXwCglT4e Xsq/OJClCggdKmoocewgtZc= =QHwu -END PGP SIGNATURE- begin:vcard fn:Ryan Novosielski n:Novosielski;Ryan org:UMDNJ;IST/AST adr;dom:MSB C630;;185 South Orange Avenue;Newark;NJ;07103 email;internet:[EMAIL PROTECTED] title:Systems Programmer III tel;work:(973) 972-0922 tel;fax:(973) 972-7412 tel;pager:(866) 20-UMDNJ x-mozilla-html:FALSE version:2.1 end:vcard - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now http://get.splunk.com/___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
Re: [Bacula-users] Bacula and Day saving time
Hi, 30.10.2007 19:50,, Ryan Novosielski wrote:: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Rich wrote: On 2007.10.30. 17:51, Chris Hoogendyk wrote: Ryan Novosielski wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 ... That said, I'd expect Bacula will skip the backup, given its behavior in this case. One way to solve this problem, I guess, would be to never start backups between 2 and 3 AM. yup. Very reasonable, but IIRC a better solution was implemented in Bacula, probably since 2.0. I couldn't find this with a grep in ReleaseNotes, but I recall that being discussed a year or two ago on the mailing lists. so, is there some dst intelligence in latest versions of bacula ? if not, maybe a comment, warning about this should be added to default configuration file schedules :) No, they weren't, but depending on where you live, there was no problem this weekend. :) See above - I believe there is the necessary intelligence in Bacula. Arno How do other packages handle this? I believe cron is one of the more intelligent programs when dealing with this. Perhaps anacron? - -- _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ |Y#| | | |\/| | \ |\ | | |Ryan Novosielski - Systems Programmer II |$| |__| | | |__/ | \| _| |[EMAIL PROTECTED] - 973/972.0922 (2-0922) \__/ Univ. of Med. and Dent.|IST/AST - NJMS Medical Science Bldg - C630 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHJ3zymb+gadEcsb4RAppeAKCy8pvA0Uc6F61TQ36PtFRTE7LJXwCglT4e Xsq/OJClCggdKmoocewgtZc= =QHwu -END PGP SIGNATURE- - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now http://get.splunk.com/ ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users -- Arno Lehmann IT-Service Lehmann www.its-lehmann.de - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now http://get.splunk.com/ ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
