Re: [Bacula-users] Incremental Backups and 'new' old files

2005-05-19 Thread Martin Simmons
 On Thu, 19 May 2005 02:02:37 +0200, Arno Lehmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:

  Arno Ryan LeBlanc wrote:

   Arno, thank you for your response.
   
   Here are our details:
   
   Bacula version 1.36.3 server running on Linux kernel 2.4.26.  It has
   ext2 partitions mounted (rw)

  Arno Ok, the server doesn't matter here, I think.

   The client is running Windows XP, no special mount options, just windows
   default.  NTFS format on the partition

  Arno As far as I know, NTFS has similar timestamps - atime, mtime and ctime 
- 
  Arno as normal unix file systems. I'm not sure, but I think I remember 
  Arno reading somewhere that under Windows you can avoid changing them when 
  Arno you modify a file.

In particular, renaming or moving a file doesn't change any of the NTFS
timestamps, unlike on most unix filesystems where it sets the ctime to
nowtime.

__Martin


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[Bacula-users] Incremental Backups and 'new' old files

2005-05-18 Thread Ryan LeBlanc
We are running tests with Bacula to see if it will work in our
environment.  So far, we are very impressed!

We have, however, run into a small problem.  We do a full backup of a
folder, and all files are copied as expected.  We then put a file into
this folder.  It, however is an old file with a create/modified date
older than the latest full backup.  However, this file is new to the
folder.  Bacula ignores this file in the incremental backup.  The next
full backup to come along backs the file up as expected, along with
everything else in the folder.

Is this a bug, by design, or a configuration problem on our end?

Ryan


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Re: [Bacula-users] Incremental Backups and 'new' old files

2005-05-18 Thread Ryan LeBlanc
Arno, thank you for your response.

Here are our details:

Bacula version 1.36.3 server running on Linux kernel 2.4.26.  It has
ext2 partitions mounted (rw)

The client is running Windows XP, no special mount options, just windows
default.  NTFS format on the partition


Arno Lehmann wrote:

 Hello,

 Ryan LeBlanc wrote:

 We are running tests with Bacula to see if it will work in our
 environment.  So far, we are very impressed!

 We have, however, run into a small problem.  We do a full backup of a
 folder, and all files are copied as expected.  We then put a file into
 this folder.  It, however is an old file with a create/modified date
 older than the latest full backup.  However, this file is new to the
 folder.  Bacula ignores this file in the incremental backup.  The next
 full backup to come along backs the file up as expected, along with
 everything else in the folder.

 Is this a bug, by design, or a configuration problem on our end?


 The behaviour you observe might depend on the file system. According
 to the manual, (under unix and linux systems) the timestamps of the
 last modification or attribute change. Usually, what you describe
 should result in a new attribute change timestamp. However, that
 might depend on your filesystem and its mount options.

 So, most probably, it's a configuration problem or happens by using
 the wrong operating system. Well, I didn't check this here, but at
 least that's what the manual says.

 You might want to tell us which client operating system, file system
 and mount options you use - perhaps someone can tell more then.

 Arno


 Ryan


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Re: [Bacula-users] Incremental Backups and 'new' old files

2005-05-18 Thread Arno Lehmann
Ryan LeBlanc wrote:
Arno, thank you for your response.
Here are our details:
Bacula version 1.36.3 server running on Linux kernel 2.4.26.  It has
ext2 partitions mounted (rw)
Ok, the server doesn't matter here, I think.
The client is running Windows XP, no special mount options, just windows
default.  NTFS format on the partition
As far as I know, NTFS has similar timestamps - atime, mtime and ctime - 
as normal unix file systems. I'm not sure, but I think I remember 
reading somewhere that under Windows you can avoid changing them when 
you modify a file.

Let's see what other say...
Arno
Arno Lehmann wrote:

Hello,
Ryan LeBlanc wrote:

We are running tests with Bacula to see if it will work in our
environment.  So far, we are very impressed!
We have, however, run into a small problem.  We do a full backup of a
folder, and all files are copied as expected.  We then put a file into
this folder.  It, however is an old file with a create/modified date
older than the latest full backup.  However, this file is new to the
folder.  Bacula ignores this file in the incremental backup.  The next
full backup to come along backs the file up as expected, along with
everything else in the folder.
Is this a bug, by design, or a configuration problem on our end?

The behaviour you observe might depend on the file system. According
to the manual, (under unix and linux systems) the timestamps of the
last modification or attribute change. Usually, what you describe
should result in a new attribute change timestamp. However, that
might depend on your filesystem and its mount options.
So, most probably, it's a configuration problem or happens by using
the wrong operating system. Well, I didn't check this here, but at
least that's what the manual says.
You might want to tell us which client operating system, file system
and mount options you use - perhaps someone can tell more then.
Arno

Ryan
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